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Companhia Energética de Minas Gerais (CIG)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 18, 2025

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Carolina Senna

Management

Investor Relations Superintendent

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone. I am Carolina Senna, Superintendent of Investor Relations at Cemig. Welcome to Cemig's Second Quarter 2025 earnings video conference call. We inform you that this video conference is being recorded, and will be available on the company's IR website, ri.cemig.com.br, where you also find the full package on this call. Should you need simultaneous interpretation, the feature is available on the platform. Just click on the globe icon located on the bottom of the screen, chose interpretation and then select the language of your choice. Portuguese or English. [Operator Instructions] We will now start our call with Reynaldo Passanezi Filho, our CEO; Andrea Marques de Almeida, CFO and IR Officer; Luis Cláudio Correa Villani, Chief Information Officer; Marco Da Camino Ancona Soligo, Chief Generation and Transmission Officer; Marney Tadeu Antunes, Chief Distribution Officer; and Sergio Lopes Cabral, Chief Trading Officer. For the initial remarks, we would like to turn the floor to our CEO, Reynaldo Passanezi Filho.

Reynaldo Passanezi Filho

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here talking to you and to show the progress of our company. I would say that as our initial video brought to you, we are now with our largest investment program at all times. Once again this quarter, with growing investments, we already have BRL 2.7 billion in investments in this first half of the year and also with great consistency in resource generation, adjusted EBITDA of BRL 2.2 billion, a very sound result. This is our adjusted EBITDA with the highlights. So once again, an investment plan in full execution, we will see the opening of substations, greater grid and conclusion of works in generation, also in gas. This is -- we are very close to starting our Midwest gas pipeline. So we are at full speed in our investment plan. And with an adjusted EBITDA that is very sound, growing BRL 2.2 billion in the quarter, I would say that this shows how sound and resilient our operating performance is. There are three topics here that we should be highlighting and they are something special for this quarter. The first is RBSE, the existing system basic grid and the review of the calculation methodology here. So for Cemig, we have a noncash impact for the quarter of BRL 199 million. It's worth mentioning that the EBITDA that we usually disclose is the IFRS. So -- and this EBITDA result shows, but cash will come over time. Also, there is another impact of a topic that is of concern, and we are fully alert about that, and we see positive scenarios regarding to this topic for the second half of the year. But for the first half of the year, specifically for the second quarter, we had difference among energy submarkets…

Andrea Marques de Almeida

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone I apologize, I have a cold. But we, again, are following our investment plan. It's going very well. Out of these BRL 2.8 billion that we have for the year, we have concentrated investments in distribution so that we can better serve our clients, and we have been doing that in a very structured fashion. Therefore, we have energized nine substations in these initial months. Also, we have been able to build over 2,600 kilometers in low and medium voltage networks. In generation, also, we had relevant investments in expansion. Also, we have investments in maintenance in terms of safety as well and transmission, again, investments of BRL 200 million, and especially in reinforcement and improvements for Cemig as well, as Reynaldo mentioned, we had Central West project, over 100 kilometers of gas pipelines and Cemig -- also, we added 21 megawatts following our investment plan. This is being very well executed. These are some pictures to show our substations in our Mais Energia program or more energy. And now, this is our a photovoltaic plant in Advogado Eduardo Soares, we have a grand term of 35 years, CapEx of BRL 464 million and the potential of CO2 reduction that is very relevant for us. Now turning to our results. Reynaldo already mentioned that when we compare that, now whenever we look at this comparison to 2024, we will have some nonrecurring effects from '24. And if we analyze IFRS, we will see that -- some of the effects might show a reduction. But in the recurring effect, we had a great quarter with an increase of 15% in our EBITDA. And a major factor that helped was the reimbursement of the tariff subsidies that we have received via CDE, the energy development account. And we know…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Carolina Carneiro, analyst from Banco Safra.

Carolina Carneiro

Analyst

Hello. Thank you very much for the call. I would like to take this opportunity and ask you to comment about capital allocation. You went into the GSF auction. Of course, you have a robust investment plan, but the cash situation of the company is very much under control. If you can give us a little bit more of visibility, what's going to be your focus for the next transmission auction. If you were looking at any other segment? And also about the concession renewals, you had that opportunity via GSF auction, but we have some important concessions that are due in the next few years. Do you have any updates in terms of regulatory changes or discussions that are on the table that would allow us to have greater visibility about the plans for these plants? That would be very interesting. Thank you.

Reynaldo Passanezi Filho

Analyst

While the best guideline is our strategic planning, our BRL 59 billion of investment plan since 2019 up to 2029. As you know, as it is included in this plan, the bulk part of this investment will be in distribution. This is a regulated sector. We were in a situation in the past where we did not have enough investments and a great need of an unmet load, almost 15% of the load was unmet in the past. And also a huge connection of distributed generation. So this initial movement of growth and distribution is really a movement to address the expansion needs to cater an unmet load and also to also cater to distributed generation. We now have almost 5 gigawatts of distributed generation that obviously needs a lot of investment. So these are known projects, Mais Energia, Minas 3-phase and more energy. So after we conclude this initial step to face the needs of expansion to cater these two flows, the demand and supply, we then have a need of increasing resilience and automation, ANEEL and the Ministry of Energy also are requesting that. So in the beginning, it was expansion. Now in the second moment, we are making this investment to increase resilience and the quality of the service provided. This will be the bulk of our investments. We also have a gas investments in another regulated sector and about the concessions generation that you asked. Here, what we have are the regulatory rules. What we have today and we like what we see is the ANEEL's recommendation to have the renewal per quotas of Sá Carvalho. The same topic is being analyzed by ANEEL regarding our other two plants. And then ANEEL recommends that to the Ministry of Mines and Energy. And then we would have…

Carolina Carneiro

Analyst

Thank you very much, Reynaldo. If I can ask another question. Last week, the Supreme Court ruled about PIS/COFINS and ICMS. I know that it might be too early to ask you, but if you already have any comments and other companies in the sector have a significant balance in a possible credit to be transferred to tariffs or even to the company, do you have any ruling or do you have any reading about what was decided last week? That would be great to know. Thank you.

Andrea Marques de Almeida

Analyst

Well, this allows the deduction of the taxes and honor areas that have been paid. And yes, this is positive. And as you said, Cemig has already reimbursed clients for over 10 years. So now we have to see how this final ruling will be to check the impacts for us, but two positive things are to be able to discount taxes and also honoraries. This is positive, yes, but we cannot calculate that without knowing the final ruling. Let's wait for that.

Carolina Senna

Management

Investor Relations Superintendent

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from analyst Victor Cunha.

Victor Cunha

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for this opportunity. Now looking at the energy balance that you presented, we saw a reduction in the short position for the short term, '25, '26, but an increase in the short position for '27, '28. Can you share with us what was the rationale and this decision to increase the short position for '27, '28, especially during a pressure for energy prices, considering the new parameters and risk aversion, but also probable higher cost and the marginal cost of expansion, considering all challenges that renewable plants are facing. If you can tell us what you have in mind for that, I would appreciate.

Sergio Lopes Cabral

Analyst

Victor. Thank you for your question. Actually, we have been working to close this position. We have been looking at the market and we have been closing positions and increasing our exposure. The short exposure in these 2 years you mentioned, still a gold effect. The counterpart that we had contracted and because we do not have delivered energy, we had to buy energy and to expose ourselves a little bit more. But we are looking ahead and closing our positions. This is our guide, we do not wish to open more positions.

Carolina Senna

Management

Investor Relations Superintendent

Operator

Our next question is from Lilyanna Yang, analyst from HSBC. I can also read your question. Okay. Well, there was a problem here with transmission, but she has two questions. First, in distribution, your next tariff review will happen just in 2028. Can you comment on how the current changes in the regulatory environment might affect the profitability of the company? And second question, when can we expect an expense reduction in the pension plan fund?

Reynaldo Passanezi Filho

Analyst

Good afternoon, Lilyanna. I can comment on those. Once again, it's too early to talk about an efficient frontier of costs. We have to be prepared to be talking about efficiency. This is one of our mantras. We want to improve the quality of services provided and at the same time, to look for more efficiency. This is something that needs to go hand in hand, and they are mantras for us, and we'll always be aiming for more efficiency. And if that -- and from time to time implies tariff modes, we will welcome it because it's good for consumers as well that need to have tariff models. We have to look for efficiency, and we know that every 5 years, there is a discussion on tariff modes and efficiency. We just hope that it's not only tariff modes regarding distribution parcel, but also that it is regarding CDEs, subsidies, charges, all of this discussion that we are following in the sector and we know that the line that has increased the most and that has affected the tariffs are charges and subsidies and not the parcels and generation and transmission. And the one that has moved forward the least was distribution. Therefore, we are working in order to look for efficiency. And we know that every 5 years, we have changes and of course, the more automation, more technology, the better. We are now working to grow our smart meters. These are all topics that aim for better service providing. And also, they work in savings. Our IT area is looking for that. About pension funds, there was another comment from Carol about health care plans. This is the post employment. That's a very relevant topic, a very relevant line in the company's results, and we are negotiating all of these topics, whether it is health care plan or pension funds, especially the benefits from Cemig. We will know more as soon as we conclude any of these topics. And before that, I think it is too early to say anything. I can tell you that we are all interested in coming into an agreement with all beneficiaries to make sure that both plants are guaranteed and for the health care plan and also the pension funds and as well as aiming Cemig's efficiency.

Carolina Senna

Management

Investor Relations Superintendent

Operator

If there are no further questions, we end now our Q&A session. I would like to turn the floor to our CFO and IR Officer, Andrea Marques de Almeida for her final remarks.

Andrea Marques de Almeida

Analyst

I would like to thank you very much for your questions and for your participation. We are here available to take any questions in the IR area and our leaders to help you at any time. Thank you very much, and have a nice afternoon.

Operator

Operator

Our media conference call for the second quarter 2025 Cemig's results has ended. Thank you very much. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]