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Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 26, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Chatham Lodging Trust Fourth Quarter 2024 Financial Results Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Chris Daly, President of DG Public Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, Melissa.

Chris Daly

Management

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Chatham Lodging Trust Fourth Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. Please note that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements as defined by federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, both known and unknown, as described in our most recent Form 10-Ks and other SEC filings. All information in this call is as of February 20, 2025, unless otherwise noted, and the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statement to actual results or changes in the company's expectations. You can find copies of our SEC filings and earnings release, which contain reconciliations to non-GAAP financial measures referenced in this call on our website at chathamlodgingtrust.com. Now to provide you with some insight into Chatham's 2024 Fourth Quarter results, allow me to introduce Jeff Fisher, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer; Dennis Craven, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Jeremy Wagner, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Let me turn the session over to Jeff Fisher. Jeff?

Jeff Fisher

Management

Alright. Thanks, Chris. And I certainly appreciate everyone joining us here for our call today. Before talking about the fourth quarter specifically and our outlook for 2025, I'd like to spend just a few minutes highlighting some noteworthy accomplishments as we look back at the last year. We had RevPAR growth of 3%, exceeding expectations. We continue to be aggressive in generating profits outside the room division, and we were able to drive other departmental profits 8% higher this year. After growth of 25% last year, we generated GOP margins of 43%, minimizing the year-over-year margin decline to 70 basis points. As RevPAR growth expanded, we closed out the year with 150 basis points of margin expansion in the fourth quarter. We sold or are under contract to sell six hotels averaging 24 years of age and with a RevPAR of $98, way below our average, for net proceeds of $101 million at a pro forma capitalization rate of approximately 6% when you include the foregone capital improvements. In 2024, we repaid $297 million of maturing debt and reduced our net debt by $29 million in 2024 after reducing net debt by $26 million in 2023. We finally completed our multiyear balance sheet repositioning through the issuance of equity, debt, and asset sales, and reduced our overall leverage ratio to 23% from 25% a year ago, and importantly, down from almost 35% in 2019. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment, particularly during this period of time. Finally, we did participate in the Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark (GRESB) for the third time, achieving a GRESB score of 83, earning four out of five GRESB stars, and awarded the Green Star. We did return $22 million of dividends to our preferred common shareholders out of excess cash flow, and we look…

Dennis Craven

Management

Thanks, Jeff. Good morning, everyone. Just a quick update on the hotels to be sold. As Jeff talked about, we have two remaining of the five that are expected to close by the end of the first quarter. The five hotels are among the six lowest RevPAR hotels in our portfolio that we have sold and are under contract to sell. We believe the best value creation is to sell these hotels instead of investing incremental dollars without what we believe is much incremental return, and reinvest that money into higher-yielding, higher-margin, and higher-growth assets. With respect to our fourth quarter results, a few extra tidbits. RevPAR at our seven predominant leisure hotels, and our leisure hotels comprise approximately 20% of our fourth quarter EBITDA, increased 1.4% in the quarter. But when you take out our Spring Hill Suites in Savannah, which was under renovation for most of the quarter, RevPAR was up approximately 6% for our leisure hotels, with our Fort Lauderdale Residence Inn, our Hampton, Portland, and our Hyatt Place Pittsburgh all producing double-digit RevPAR growth in the fourth quarter. Our top five RevPAR hotels for the quarter were the Residence Inn Fort Lauderdale with RevPAR of $208, second was our Residence Inn White Plains, with RevPAR of $196, and then our Hampton Inn Portland and Residence Inn San Diego Gas Lamp, both with RevPAR of $180. Lastly, our Residence Inn New Rochelle, New York, at $176. Over a third of our hotels experienced double-digit RevPAR growth in the quarter. Excluding the five tech-driven hotels, fourth quarter RevPAR was up 3% over last year, further supporting the breadth of our RevPAR performance and trajectory. Breaking down our Silicon Valley hotels, underlying demand growth remains strong. Our Silicon Valley fourth quarter occupancy of 74% marks the highest occupancy levels…

Jeremy Wagner

Management

Thanks, Dennis. Good afternoon, everyone. Our Q4 2024 hotel EBITDA was $24.3 million, adjusted EBITDA was $21.4 million, and adjusted FFO was $0.20 per share. We were able to generate a GOP margin of 40.5% and hotel EBITDA margin of 37.5%. GOP margins for the quarter were up 150 basis points from Q4 2023, which was due to the strong 3.9% RevPAR growth for the quarter and outstanding expense control. This improvement in year-over-year margin trends relative to prior quarters reflects the continuing stabilization of key expenses, especially labor costs. Over the past couple of years, we have taken significant steps to reduce leverage and address debt maturities. With the repayment of the $16 million mortgage loan on the Hampton Inn in January 2025, we have now addressed all of our CMBS maturities. In Q4, we closed on the sales of the Homewood Bloomington and Homewood Maitland for $29.3 million. In January 2025, we closed on the sale of the Homewood Brentwood for $15 million. The aggregate sale price for these three hotels, including approximately $15 million of required renovation costs, represents a cap rate of approximately 6.3% on 2024 NOI. As of December 31, Chatham's net debt to LTM EBITDA was 3.9 times, which is significant compared to the 6 times area. Turning to our Q1 and full-year 2025 guidance, we expect RevPAR growth of 3% to 4%, adjusted EBITDA of $16.7 million to $18.3 million, and adjusted FFO per share of $0.12 to $0.15 in Q1, and RevPAR growth of 1% to 3.5%, adjusted EBITDA of $92 million to $97 million, adjusted FFO per share of $1.01 to $1.11 for the year. This guidance reflects the sales of the Homewood Bloomington, Homewood Maitland, and Homewood Brentwood in December 2024 and January 2025 and assumes two additional asset sales…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone keypad. Our first question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta with Alliance Global Partners.

Gaurav Mehta

Analyst

Thanks. I wanted to ask you about some of your comments around asset recycling and wanted to get some more color on your expectations around redeploying that capital into the acquisition market. I know you mentioned there's no acquisition included in the guidance, but I was hoping to get some more color on what you were seeing in the market, maybe on the volume, pricing.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Yeah. Gaurav, it's Jeff. How are you today? I guess the way to characterize the acquisition market, at least for what we're seeing and for what we want to buy, is it's still pretty thin out there. For the really, really good assets in the kind of markets we want to be in, there's still a 100 basis point, let's say, bid-ask kind of gap. But I will tell you that we've kind of redoubled our efforts in terms of really wanting to get replacement assets for these five hotels that we've successfully sold or will have sold shortly. I feel pretty confident that we'll get that done this year. I don't think we'll get it done in the first quarter of this year, but it's really just sort of ferrying through and talking to prior folks that we've done business with and otherwise to try to find onesie-twosie deals, which is probably the way it'll occur as we move forward.

Gaurav Mehta

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Thanks. My second question is on your comments around starting a development in Portland, Maine. I was hoping to get some more color on that asset, where you're looking to construct, maybe on your yield expectations for development.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Yeah. I mean, we certainly look for a 150 to 200 basis points premium over, let's say, the 8 cap number that you might be able to acquire existing hotels for. The Portland, Maine, Hampton Inn is, you know, and has been our highest RevPAR hotel for several quarters. We're pretty excited about the continued growth in the market. The City of Portland has recently enacted a hotel moratorium. We are grandfathered in because of the application that we have pending for entitlement. So we still have, and we've talked about this for probably what I say is too long for two years, but it is that kind of market, you know, in the downtown waterfront district to build on our parking lot next to our existing Hampton Inn, I think, will certainly be very accretive if and when we get there, but we're still working with the city and with our engineers on getting this thing entitled. Yeah. Gaurav, I think the only thing I would add is that just to add on from Jeff's comments is that, you know, that Hampton in Portland for us has really been the highest yielding asset for us over the last, essentially, ownership period since 2012 when we bought it. Great market. Moratorium helps, and we feel pretty good about it.

Gaurav Mehta

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. That's all I had.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets.

Ari Klein

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Thanks. There was a pretty sizable disparity in occupancy performance versus ADR in the quarter. Curious just what drove that dynamic, and then are you thinking about the ability to push rates with occupancy improving?

Dennis Craven

Management

Hey, Ari. This is Dennis. Yeah. Listen. I think, you know, the one thing that, and we kind of highlighted in our comments, is that, you know, overall, just demand from business travel is really the driver of that continued occupancy growth. In certain markets, whether that's Silicon Valley or other markets, you really need to get, you know, into the seventies and into the eighties to be able to have pricing power. So, you know, for us, we're really encouraged by the overall trend and just the overall demand growth in some of our major markets. Generally speaking, ADR is a lagger to that. So it really, you know, I think, you know, just positive about where that's heading.

Ari Klein

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe on the RevPAR guide, you know, purely widespread for the full year. Curious if you can provide some color just on some of the underlying assumptions at the high and low end of the range. Is there any reason to think the tech or interim business this year will play out differently from last year?

Dennis Craven

Management

What your last bit of that question was tech? Tech insurance. The interim business versus last year. Yeah. I mean, I think, listen, you know, we're taking a pretty cautious look as far as our overall guidance range of 1% to 3.5%. We're encouraged by what January did with RevPAR up 5%. February is doing well as well. I think, you know, what Jeff highlighted in his comments, and if you look at kind of our monthly RevPAR production, is that, you know, the summer months, especially in 2024, as he talked about, kind of showed, you know, an offset of leisure losing BT gaining. I think whether leisure is, you know, bottomed out or is bottoming out kind of as an industry, I think it's too early to tell. But I think, you know, we're going to be cautious about those outer months. It feels good at the moment. With respect to interns, listen, we, you know, I think as we talked about last year, we lost a lot in a majority of that business in 2024 because most of the tech companies went to a program where they were giving stipends out for any type of intern, and they could put, you know, as many people as they wanted to in a room, in an apartment, or whatever it might be. So we really didn't get much intern business in 2024. We don't have, you know, we're kind of have similar levels baked in for 2025. Obviously, if something somehow changed, that would be great. But, you know, I think that stipend program is probably going to stick.

Ari Klein

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got it. And maybe just one last one, just in terms of, you know, the transactions that you seem likely to pursue in 2025. How much dry powder do you think you have? Or I guess, maybe how active do you think you'll be?

Jeremy Wagner

Management

Yeah. Jeremy, you want to talk about the balance sheet? Yeah. I mean, from a dry powder perspective, I think we could easily buy a couple hundred million dollars of hotels or, you know, hotels and development, other investments, and still be within the leverage parameters that we feel comfortable with. You know? I don't know if it will be possible to, you know, in one-off transactions, be able to buy $200 million of hotels this year, given how selective we are and the strict underwriting criteria that we have, but we definitely have balance sheet capacity to do quite a bit relative to our existing size.

Ari Klein

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got it. And is the Portland development in the $26 million of CapEx, or is that separate?

Dennis Craven

Management

No. No. It's not. I mean, I think, you know, listen, we're still working through city approvals. I think if we ultimately get those in the next, you know, several months, you're probably talking about starting, you know, site work later this year. So any actual cash dollars out the door would be pretty minimal in 2025.

Ari Klein

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got it. Alright. Thank you.

Dennis Craven

Management

Thanks, Ari.

Operator

Operator

As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone keypad. Next question comes from the line of Jonathan Jenkins with Oppenheimer and Company.

Jonathan Jenkins

Analyst · Oppenheimer and Company.

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. First one from me is a follow-up or a clarification question on the guidance. Given that previous commentary, it sounds like we should expect the majority of RevPAR growth this year to be driven by occupancy, and then that recompression component becomes a greater possibility in out years. Is that a fair read-through on that?

Jeremy Wagner

Management

I think in our forecast, we have our RevPAR growth kind of built about half between occupancy and half between ADR. So we're still expecting some ADR growth even though Q4 was really all the growth was driven by occupancy. That's because of the nature of the seasonality of the portfolio and the hotels that we're talking about. But, you know, we'll get ADR growth in those summer months and in those heavy October, for example, business travel months for us.

Jonathan Jenkins

Analyst · Oppenheimer and Company.

Okay. That's very helpful. And then switching gears to the capital recycling front, you guys have obviously done a tremendous job. Are there any additional assets that could be potential targets for dispositions? Conversely, are there any markets that you like to enter, or is your preference to grow in the markets you're already in? Should we expect a continued BT demand driver focus for potential acquisitions?

Dennis Craven

Management

I think for us, BT and business-focused hotels and extended stay hotels, you know, is where we live, and we feel very comfortable and bullish about that part of the business. So I think we want to be opportunistic given the amount of dry powder that we have, as Jeremy indicated. So I think our, you know, we've kind of got an open view in terms of markets beyond markets that we're already in. So I would expect that we will, you know, just take a real hard look at many different opportunities as we try to move forward and redeploy some of the money that we've got here. Yeah. I think the only thing I would add is with respect to dispositions. Yes. We will continue to look at our portfolio and, you know, analyze it for any type of opportunities of selling assets. But I think what you will see, you know, from Chatham is, you know, continued recycling of older assets with, you know, higher CapEx spend requirements into, you know, newer, higher growth investments over time. So certainly, we'll look for that. That's the goal.

Jonathan Jenkins

Analyst · Oppenheimer and Company.

Okay. That's excellent. Thank you for all the color, everybody. That's all for me.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Manish Modi with Millennium. Please proceed with your question.

Manish Modi

Analyst · Millennium. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you for your time. I just have a couple of quick questions. One is just to get a sense of any impact on the Los Angeles area with the properties with all the wildfires. That's the first one. The second one is, as an investment portfolio, we have been looking at the performance of your stock, and I'm sure you all do too. There's been literally, you know, no upward movement at all, at least over the last twelve to eighteen months. How do you look at the valuation that the market, of course, you don't control it, but how do you visualize the market valuation for your stock?

Dennis Craven

Management

Hey, Manish. This is Dennis. I'll answer the first part of it. We had, you know, thankfully, we had no physical damage to any of our assets related to the fires in Southern California in the LA area. We have three hotels in the area. Our Home2 Suites in Woodland Hills has been the beneficiary of a lot of, whether it's displaced residents or people affiliated with insurance companies there. That is benefiting the hotel. The other two hotels are Hilton Garden Inn Marina Del Rey and our Residence Inn in Anaheim. So, kind of an initial pop right after the wildfires, but really have kind of settled back into normal business, if you will. So, you know, really, we had one of the three hotels that benefited.

Jeremy Wagner

Management

And then on the stock price here, I'm going to let Jeremy, our expert on that, opine. Look. It would always be nice to have your stock valued higher and to appreciate. Obviously, there have been headwinds over the last few years in terms of, you know, expense increases across the sector and cost of capital across the sector. I think if you look just on a relative valuation basis, on a price to FFO basis, I think we're roughly in line with most of our peers. We may be at a little bit of a discount on an EV to EBITDA basis. I think a lot of that's probably due to the fact that we've refinanced a lot of our debt. We've reset the pricing on a lot of our debt. So all of our debt is sort of market-priced, you know, which is more expensive than people who have legacy fixed-rate debt in at 4%. All of our debt's kind of in that, you know, 6.5% to 7% range right now. So there's a higher interest burden, you know, so that's reflected in our FFO. It doesn't impact the EBITDA, which is probably why we're really right in line with peers on an FFO basis. EBITDA's a little bit of a discount. But, again, there's a higher interest cost. Hopefully, you know, over time, the EV to EBITDA gap will shrink relative to any peer multiples as they kind of refinance their balance sheets as well. The other part of it, I would say, is I still think, and we've heard from some investors, that Silicon Valley, you know, we keep coming back to it, but it is a major portion of our portfolio, obviously, you know, is a question mark for the company. Even in our guidance…

Manish Modi

Analyst · Millennium. Please proceed with your question.

No. I appreciate it. I mean, you certainly delevered the balance sheet substantially over the last couple of years. However, you know, it's interesting that when you look at it, your RevPAR growth in Silicon Valley has been in double digits compared to last year, but your RevPAR growth in Dallas and the Seattle markets, however small they are as contributors, they seem to be more negative. So it's interesting you made that, you know, that point across.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Well, Dallas, as I mentioned, has been a great performing hotel for us in that downtown market. If that is not more, frankly, than the convention center being, you know, and most conventions sort of for the next couple of years, being nonexistent in that market. I know that in 2024, we substantially exceeded the operator budget for 2024, you know, because starting in, I think it was March or April, we took the numbers way down, and we still, you know, because of what's happening generally in Dallas, and the quality of that hotel and its location sort of outperformed the budget numbers. But, you know, it's still going to come on a difficult basis. Bellevue, Dennis, purely renovation there. That should be finished, what, the next we're going to see it next week. Right? In about, you know, so that should be done here. Again, a tech-heavy and reliant, but you got, you know, those players, you know, back to the office even, I think, you know, with a declaration being a little bit sooner than some of the Silicon Valley companies. Bellevue as a submarket really strong and benefiting over downtown Seattle. When you look at, but if you look at the STAR, Smith Travel numbers for the market anyway. Yeah. I think the only thing I would add regarding Silicon Valley is, yes, we've had a good run here, and we're confident and we're optimistic about where we see 2025 out there. But you should still take a, you know, take a look at the table in our release that compares it to 2019 levels. RevPAR for those four hotels is still over 20% short of 2019 levels. So there's still a good ways to go, and I think a lot of our investors who know us well and have known us well, you know, we got to get a little bit more out of there to really, you know, start pushing that number to the bottom line. Especially when it comes to ADR, as we were talking about on a prior question, and the incremental flow that comes from high ADR.

Manish Modi

Analyst · Millennium. Please proceed with your question.

I certainly appreciate it. I mean, you all are certainly vested into the ownership of Chatham Lodging Trust. It was interesting that, but Howard, as I part, I just had made one observation, which is that there were two filings from BlackRock that happened literally two days of each other. The most recent filing showed a reduction of about five or six of the ownership literally within the span of two days. Just didn't know if you're aware of something substantially that happened would reduce their ownership, I mean, by a few million shares.

Jeff Fisher

Management

We saw those same filings. You know, I think we don't have any active dialogue with them whether that was a mistake or something else. Not sure. But they bought a bunch and then sold a bunch. Right? Something like that. Yeah. We don't but we don't know.

Manish Modi

Analyst · Millennium. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you very much for your time and patience with the questions.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Fisher, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn this call back to you for final comments.

Jeff Fisher

Management

Well, we certainly appreciate the questions and everybody's attendance this morning. So let's continue to sit tight here and have this quarter evolve, and we will continue to, I think, put up some pretty strong numbers and, you know, work on growing our free cash flow in 2025. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.