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ClearSign Technologies Corporation (CLIR)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, May 18, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the ClearSign Technologies’ First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matthew Selinger of Firm IR Group. Please go ahead.

Matthew Selinger

Analyst

Good afternoon, and thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, to the ClearSign Technologies Corporation first quarter 2023 results conference call. During this conference call, the company will make forward-looking statements. Any statement that is not a statement of historical fact is a forward-looking statement. This includes remarks about the company’s projections, expectations, plans, beliefs and prospects. These statements are based on judgments and analysis as of the date of this conference call and are subject to numerous important risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. The risks and uncertainties associated with the forward-looking statements made in this conference call include, but are not limited to, whether field testing and sales of ClearSign products will be successfully completed, whether ClearSign will be successful in expanding the market for its products and other risks that are described with ClearSign’s public periodic filings with the SEC, including the discussion in the Risk Factors section of the 2022 annual report on Form 10-K and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended March 31, 2023. So except as required by law, ClearSign assumes no responsibility to update these forward-looking statements to reflect future events or actual outcomes and does not intend to do so. So with me on the call today are Jim Deller, ClearSign’s President and Chief Executive Officer; and Brent Hinds, ClearSign’s Vice President of Finance and Controller. So at this point in the call, I would like to turn the call over to the VP of Finance, Brent Hinds. So Brent, please go ahead.

Brent Hinds

Analyst

Thank you, Matthew, and thank you to everyone for joining us here today. Before I begin, I’d like to note that our financial results on Form 10-Q were filed with the SEC on May 15. And with that, I’d like to give an overview of the financials for the first quarter of 2023. The company recognized approximately $900,000 in revenues during the 3 months ended March 31, 2023, as compared to zero revenues for the same period in 2022. The majority of our revenues for this quarter were derived from a burner performance test. As you may recall, in discussions in our last investor call, we had successfully executed a customer witness test at the Zeeco test facility during Q1. Completing this work satisfied the contractual performance obligation, which allowed us to recognize the associated revenues. We also had a favorable quarter from a cash perspective. Our net cash used in operations for the quarter ended March 31, 2023, was approximately $554,000 compared to approximately $1.5 million for the same period in 2022. That is a year-over-year decrease of approximately $1 million. Now turning our focus from cash to profit and loss. Our net loss for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023, was approximately $1.4 million, which is relatively consistent when compared to the same quarter in 2022. We have approximately $8.5 million in cash and short-term investments as of March 31, 2023. There were approximately 38.5 million shares of common stock outstanding as of March 31, 2023. We have confidence in our financial position and balance sheet. And with our quarter ending balances, we have sufficient working capital available to carry us to 2024, and that is without cash from any other sources. Nevertheless, we do expect customer cash collections to continue in 2023. As we have said on prior calls, customer cash collections will often begin prior to revenue recognition. With that, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Jim Deller. Jim?

Jim Deller

Analyst

Thank you, Brent, for the financial overview. I thank everyone for joining us on the call today and for your interest in ClearSign. It has been only a few weeks since our last update call, but we do have more developments to share with you. On today’s call, I will review our business segments, starting with process burners and our most recent Multi Heater announcement. Next, I will touch on the developments in our boiler burner business and then update you on China and our progress there. In regards to our process burner segment, most of you may have seen our announcement regarding the engineering order for two heaters that was released in the middle of April, April 19 to be specific. This order is from an early adopter of our technology in California. So this is a repeat order from an existing customer. Additionally, this customer came back to ClearSign after initiating an alternative option to install a traditional selective catalytic reduction of SCR, NOx control system and inherent complexities associated with such a system. As stated in our press release, the engineering purchase order for this project stated that the procurement and fabrication of burners may be added at a later date or not at all. So there was no expectation or assumption that this was going to progress and develop into more than just the initial engineering phase. And just yesterday, we were happy to confirm that the full project is moving forward with the receipt of a purchase order for the procurement and fabrication of burners for the two separate process heaters. What is notable about this project is that it is the supply of burners for two different multi-burner heaters with a total of 13 burners. The fuel gas includes hydrogen, so this will not…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Amit Dayal with H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone. Congrats on all the progress, guys. Good to see the orders and revenues starting to come through. could you share maybe in dollar amounts, what the pipeline looks like for you at this point?

Jim Deller

Analyst

I can give some guidance, Amit. We’re not [indiscernible] to give dollar amounts, but we will try to give though the tools to allow everyone to construct a good understanding of the status of the company there. Just I have an item, I am sure there may be some people new to the company on the line, a good average proxy for the sales price of our burners is in the region of $100,000 a burner. For the process burner orders, a burner design will also have some accompanying engineering and testing that the good round number for that will be about $250,000. So, we do announce the orders that we get. And where we can, we will include the number of burners included in that order. And obviously, now that we do have revenues being reported in our quarterly reports, you also have a means to measure the revenues being reported. So obviously, the pipeline there will be the difference between the value of the orders won and the revenue reported. I know that’s not an exact amount, but hopefully that gives everyone the tools to at least keep gauge on the work that’s in progress of the company and a good understanding of what to expect in the future.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Thank you for that. And then just maybe adjacent to that, sequentially, as you start delivering again some of this order book, should we expect sequential improvements in your revenues through 2023, or will it be a little lumpy, I guess depending on how you deliver the customers?

Jim Deller

Analyst

Yes, good question. I think it’s – we all really believe we are in the commercial phase of this company, I think we have said that. But it’s also early stages. So, the orders that we have announced, you should appreciate there are significant orders, but also they are going to result in lumpy revenue, that’s usual phrase. But I think what’s more meaningful looking forward is as we get these orders out and installed and operational in the customer sites, so that they are providing evidence and reinsurance to those customers and also to their peers and the other companies around them. We expect that is going to reduce the reservations that they may have of adopting out our technology. We really believe that the value of the technology is strong, we have not seen a huge pickup to-date because of the reservations our customers have. We always are getting these first orders out, again, but the first sales are going to be the most difficult. With these orders now in place going out into commercial operations, it may not have a lot of impact on revenues in 2023, that’s quite short-term. But I think it is meaningful to look at the longer term projection and the meaningfulness of these orders that we have, having got these first commercial orders and the effect that we anticipate that will have on our sales pipeline going forward.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Maybe just last one for me. Just on the lines of the sales-related comments. As the commercialization efforts grow and as you get traction, how are you thinking about sort of organizing your sales force and your sales efforts? Are you still at least in the near-term, going to be relying on some of your partners to help you and engage with customers, etcetera, or are you slowly trying to build an internal team as well?

Jim Deller

Analyst

Yes. Good question. It’s we have set out with our, what we have called an asset-light strategy back from the time that I joined the company back in 2019. The intention there was to enable us to leverage the technology that we have, but also to be as judicial as we can with the capital expenditure and basically our investors’ money. As part of that strategy, we are working with alliance partners such as Zeeco. For those of you who don’t know, Zeeco is the second biggest combustion equipment manufacturer in the world. They are on every single components with a huge sales force. And for our burner product line, we have partnered with California Boiler, one of the major burner installers and service companies in California. What that does is it allows us to basically have the reach and the resources of those huge companies, what we ourselves do not have to make the substantial investments to develop that capability ourselves. While we talk about sales, to maximize sales looking forward, those partner companies are expected to be doing a lot of the face-to-face meetings with clients. However, I do not believe in leaving sales totally in the hands of our partners. We have to support them, certainly when – in cases of strategic sales, we will be getting engaged with the customers. So, I do not plan to take on a lot of ongoing recurring cost to develop our sales team. But at the same time, we will make sure that we have the sales capability and also the tools and the infrastructure to maximize strategic sales to develop our business in new areas and then to help our partners be successful selling our technology.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Alright. Thank you so much.

Jim Deller

Analyst

Thank you, Amit.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Cronis [ph], private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Jim. I have seen a picture of Mr. Menendez in China next to the test boilers in gas and water lines. How much did all of that cost?

Jim Deller

Analyst

I will elaborate on this. The short answer is I really don’t know. The work in China, those photographs were taken on the site of our partner, Shuangliang. Shuangliang is actually conglomerate, but a huge, one of the major manufacturing companies in China. We have partnered with them to deliver our boiler burner products into China and to combine our burners into their boiler to allow us to jointly offer a special package of low emissions equipment. As part of that venture, they have actually provided all of the costs for everything they have done there, getting that pipeline permitted in China, the high-pressure pipeline that’s required to run our 500-horsepower boiler burner in their boiler for certification was a huge undertaking on their part. So, for the short answer, apart from our relationship efforts, it didn’t actually cost us anything to put that in place. I think the other thing I would like to note and I did touch on in the comments for Shuangliang to carry that expense and to build those resources themselves, not just for this test, for those of you following, we have also certified 125 horsepower burner with Shuangliang in the same way. And for them to put that cost into our venture to me is just reassuring because it’s a very clear indication of their belief in the business potential of this joint venture in China and their commitment to their lines with ClearSign.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Alright. Another question I have actually in prior conference calls, you have mentioned that there has been an increase in request for quotes. Can you give us an idea of the magnitude of that or…

Jim Deller

Analyst

It’s hard to do really get into a lot of the quotes or also come into California Boiler directly. So, even I can comment on the ones that we see, but those that come into our partners, we don’t see those until they really develop into meaningful opportunities. But I think for everyone, it’s more a tangible longer term and more strategically. And I think understanding the significance of getting these first commercial orders out into the market and especially into California and actually giving our customers some real references and first-hand experience of the technology is what I see as the most significant indicator of what we should expect in the future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Alright. Thank you.

Jim Deller

Analyst

Thank you, Mark.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Robert Kecseg with Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Robert Kecseg

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Hello, Jim.

Jim Deller

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Hi Bob.

Robert Kecseg

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

First of all, congratulations, I was going to say congratulations on such great progress, I am kind of happy that I can’t keep up with the different orders now, and I am a little confused. But I was going to kind of add to the gentleman before about the increased inquiry. Is there some kind of like order of magnitude, I mean is there a noticeable difference in an inquiry to your company based on what we have seen in the sales announcements that you have made?

Jim Deller

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

I mean Bob, I don’t want to get into giving guidance and also understand that we get inquiries in a variety of different levels of seriousness. But just as an example, we have teams out at the American Petroleum Institute Conference this week and the engagement we have had this past week there of the reports back, I was not there myself, but just the interactions and the interest, and we had a booth there and the number of people coming to the booth to look at that demonstration burner was a lot greater than even we expected. I think the guys said even on the very first day of the conference, they believe about 75% of the people that came up to get a firsthand look at that demonstration burner we had at the API conference, so if you take examples like that, we have never seen that before.

Robert Kecseg

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Okay. And I was going to say, back to the last call, I really wanted to compliment your vision where you have the idea that ClearSign Core kind of like the Intel was for computers, I remember you saying that a couple of years ago, and that heater designer company, Tulsa heater was a clear example of the ClearSign core that you had envisioned for the company. I was wondering when you were at your previous position, did your old company get an installation like that where it was sold to one of those intermediate companies like a heater designer company, or is that kind of unique? In other words, is that kind of unique to our technology?

Jim Deller

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Bob, I need to be a little careful giving details, right, for everyone not knowing I worked for one of the burner companies owned by Honeywell before joining ClearSign. That company did not actually have any boiler burners, putting a – it depends how you clarify the burner, the company that we sold our boiler burner into does use 4-Strat horizontally mounted burners. Typically, they would be no matter which supplier they would buy processed heater burners of that configuration. This is the first instance that I know where we have a standardized product that we design for a boiler, but are able to deploy into these different industries and even process heaters and to sell to a heater manufacturer rather than just being limited to boiler manufacturers.

Robert Kecseg

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Right. Okay. That’s kind of what I was getting at. I appreciate that.

Jim Deller

Analyst · Las Colinas. Please go ahead.

Alright. Thank you, Bob.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Matthew to read a question from the e-mail.

Matthew Selinger

Analyst

Yes. Here is a question from e-mail, if we could. Does ClearSign together with partners have sufficient production capacity and resources to handle and meet the rapidly growing demand for the installation of ClearSign’s products in the various markets?

Jim Deller

Analyst

Yes. Good question. I don’t know who sent that in, but I think it’s very pertinent. I am referring back to the previous comments, we talked about the asset-light strategy we have, part of that means that as ClearSign we have not invested heavily in manufacturing capital and personnel to actually manufacture it. We did however, plan and moved the company headquarters into Tulsa for the reason that it allowed us to engage with partners and the great manufacturing capability. Zeeco, our process burner partner, their headquarters are here in Tulsa. They truly are a global company. They are the second biggest burner manufacturer in the world. They not only have the test facility, but they manufacture the process burners for us. We have an agreement with them for that. They absolutely have the capacity to manufacture all of ClearSign burners. They also have outsourced capabilities, should that be needed. But given that they are the second biggest burner manufacturer in the world, there is a lot of room for expansion and for ClearSign to build burners for us. On the boiler burner technology, we do have manufactured and delivered the ClearSign Core burner part to California Boiler to include that burner in their package. Tulsa has a huge wealth of manufacturing companies that were developed in the oil and gas and process industry. We have worked with a few. We have a couple of vendors that we use on a repeated basis at the moment. They have a very large capacity. So, I have absolutely no concerns there. And if or when the day comes that they do not have the capacity, there are a plethora of other manufacturers here in Tulsa or in certainly in the Midwest of we can reach out to, so I do not have any concerns about our ability to manufacture and deliver product.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your questions. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jim Deller for any closing remarks.

Jim Deller

Analyst

Thank you everyone for your interest and taking the time to participate today. We look forward to updating you regarding our developments and speaking with you all on our next call.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.