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Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 23, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Calumet Specialty Products Partners, L.P. Fourth Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brad McMurray, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Brad McMurray

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today for our fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call. With me on today's call are Todd Borgmann, CEO; David Lunin, CFO; Bruce Fleming, EVP, Montana/Renewables and Corporate Development; and Scott Obermeier, EVP, Specialties. You may now download the slides that accompany the remarks made of today's conference call, which can be accessed in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.calumet.com. Also, a webcast replay of this call will be available on our site within a few hours. Turning to the presentation, on slides two and three, you can find our cautionary statements and tax disclosures. I'd like to remind everyone that during this call, we may provide various forward-looking statements. Please refer to the partnership's press release that was issued this morning, as well as our latest filings with the SEC for a list of factors that may affect our actual results and cause them to differ from our expectations. I will now pass the call to Todd. Todd?

Todd Borgmann

Analyst

Thank you, Brad, and welcome to Calumet's year-end 2023 earnings call. To start, I'll provide an update on our conversion process, we'll then recap 2023, Dave will take us deeper into the quarter and I'll wrap with a '24 outlook. Let's turn to slide four. In November, we announced that our general partner and conflicts committee had agreed to terms that would convert Calumet to a C-Corp from an MLP, and since then we've been at work putting that into effect. Over the past few years, Calumet has transformed itself into a new company, and it became clear that the typical institutional investors who would invest in a leading specialty products company in a top-tier renewable fuels business largely don't or even can't invest in MLPs. Further, almost no passive investment strategies, which make up nearly half of the capital being invested allocate to MLPs. Thus, to increase our investor base and ultimately provide our shareholders the best opportunity to realize fair value for Calumet, we embarked on this change. Two weeks ago we announced the signing of the official conversion agreement, which is a prerequisite to filing our S-4 with the SEC. After we receive comments back from the SEC, a final S-4 will be filed, a proxy vote held, and we hope to gain approval from our shareholders and complete this conversion midyear. Again, I thank everyone involved, especially our general partner and conflicts committee, for a fair and thorough negotiation, and we're looking forward to this vote and new opportunity. Turning to slide five, we see the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, Calumet generated $40 million of adjusted EBITDA, and for the year, we generated $261 million of adjusted EBITDA. Our 2023 financial results were driven by three things, all of which we've discussed previously. First,…

David Lunin

Analyst

Thanks, Todd. I'll start with our announcement this morning that we entered into a note purchase agreement to issue $200 million aggregate principal amount of 9.25% Senior Secured First Lien Notes due 2029. The use of proceeds will be to call and retire our existing 2024 secured notes and we will also call, along with available will, cash $50 million of our 11% 2025 notes. This transaction allows us to remove a near-term maturity, reduce overall indebtedness and reduce our annual interest expense. Given the potential Montana/Renewables monetization was pushed back half a year due to last year's steam drum replacement and the need to demonstrate a few quarters of strong operations in order to capture proper value from a potential monetization, we want to ensure that we had ample flexibility and time to kind of access the market properly. This financing provides that flexibility by adding a small quantum of debt that wouldn't otherwise trade well is cheaper than a new unsecured issuance and will also be callable in a year, as well as leaving enough debt outstanding without call protection to provide an efficient path for further deleveraging later in the year. Before I review the segments, I'd also like to comment on the 8-K we released this morning and the associated restatement of 2022 and 2023 quarters. The restatement relates to our accounting for the preferred equity investment in MRL. We had been allocating net losses in the business in a proportion to the total ownership for the non-controlling interest. We've determined that these losses should not have been allocated to the preferred equity investment, thus, $6.7 million in 2022 and $18.5 million in 2023 of losses that were previously allocated to non-controlling interest will now be allocated to Calumet's limited partners. To be clear, this has…

Todd Borgmann

Analyst

Thanks, David. Let's flip to the last slide and talk about the year ahead. 2024 is a pivotal year for the Company and its investors. This is the first year that both our specialties business and renewables business are fully operating together, and we're committed to unlocking value through a number of near-term catalysts. The first of these is demonstrating the top decile profitability potential of Montana/Renewables, which given the old feed and inventory overhang mentioned earlier, we expect to occur in the second quarter. Next is the DOE process, which we mentioned earlier. This goes hand in hand with the launch of MaxSAF, and we look forward to providing a more complete outlook on this project soon. Not only is MaxSAF a huge opportunity, but we also expect it to be another catalyst in a potential Montana/Renewables monetization, which continues to be an ultimate deleveraging step for the organization. And last, we're on track for a mid-year conversion to a C-Corp. Up to now, investors who are otherwise interested in Calumet have not been able to invest in our Company due to common constraints that come with MLPs. Our institutional and passive investor base is tiny in size which results in our units being very thinly traded, which also is a deterrent to new investors. Since the conversion announcement late last year, we've spoken to many potential new shareholders about the Calumet opportunity. We believe our story is an interesting one for investors, and we're excited to provide the ability for them to partake in a new Calumet, one which has been transformed over the past few years, which has two competitively advantaged businesses and significant near-term catalysts that we believe present a meaningful value proposition. Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Roger Read with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Roger Read

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Yes, it does look like it's going to be a pretty exciting and also challenging 2024 for you. Coming to the MRL side, I'd like to just ask you, Todd. You mentioned product going into Canada, some of the other places. We recognize the issues with start-up of these facilities and feedstock costs. But if you look at the distribution side, give us kind of an inkling of how that's turned out and maybe how those realizations are working, so that as you fix the feedstock and the operational issues, we can get confidence on where margins ought to go.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst

Yes, you bet. And hi, Roger. Thanks for calling in. And I'll turn it over to Bruce here in a second. I'm sure he has more to add. But in general, I'd say our product distribution has been exceptional. We have a super flexible group of partners. They're contracted long-term. Remember, we sell everything FOB, so we have insight into where the product is going, and we benefit when products are upgraded to Canada, for example. But ultimately, our sales are contracted formulaically, they align with the steady margin formula that we've talked about historically, and I'd say those are working very well exactly as expected. I don't know, Bruce, what would you add?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst

Thanks, Roger. The fact that we have our pathways registered into all of the LCFS geographies, as well as having the CORSIA certification for our SAF, means that our off-takers have a lot of flexibility to shift any of these materials to where they think is the best for their system operations. So we've had as much as 50% of physical production going to Canada on a monthly basis. And this is one of the hidden attributes of our geographic location. I mean, we share a land border with British Columbia. A lot of people are trying to get there the hard way by the water, and we literally drive a truck over. So there's a lot going on in the distribution optimization space.

Roger Read

Analyst

All right. Get a geographic explanation as well as everything else, right? Shifting gears to the other two businesses, just asking really for sort of a macro outlook. We've seen the chemical industry have a lot of challenges. I know you all are not pure chemicals, but you kind of get put into that box. So I'm just curious as you look at beyond the weather issues at Shreveport, but what's the underlying kind of demand and pricing setup as we look at both Specialty and Performance?

Scott Obermeier

Analyst

Hey, Roger, this is Scott. Thanks for the question. So as we sort of walkthrough, I'll call it the timeline, Roger. In Q4, I think the real headline theme was seasonality, right? So we saw the fuel cracks take a major step down on that side of the business. Within the Specialties, both SPS and Performance Brands. I would say we saw the typical seasonal slower demand at year-end. We also saw some customers looking to destock a little bit further and de-risk their business where possible. Looking now into the early part of 2024, I would say it's a little bit mixed, Roger. Going back to the fuel side of the business, we have a constructive outlook. Within fuels, we've seen crack margins improve from three-year lows that we hit in mid-December. We've seen that improve back above mid-cycle, although remains highly volatile. On the Specialty side. Roger, overall, we say demand is slowed. As you alluded to, we've seen the demand slow. But with that said, and Todd and David touched on this during the script, you know, we've delivered five years in a row of record results within that Specialty side of the business. You know we've implemented commercial best-in-class programs that have allowed us to perform and deliver results, really, in any type of environment that we've encountered the past three, four, five years. So we remain confident in the business, but without question, there has been some market pullback from the customer demand.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst

Maybe I'd add a little bit, Roger and Scott to see what you think of this. The -- if I look at the normal slide that we present in SPS, we show the margin per barrel on Specialties. And we saw that bounced back to a little bit above $70 a barrel in Q4, which I think we alluded to on the last earnings call. I think we'll continue to see margins kind of in between that Q4 and Q3 number so $60, $70 type range as we look into 2024 and continue to expect that we'll be able to sell everything we make. So it's undoubtedly a little bit slower on kind of -- particularly on the retail front, but more broadly continues to be well above mid-cycle and just very comfortable and confident in the sales team that Scott has built. They're doing an exceptional job and really able to go out and have a lot of confidence to perform in any market.

Roger Read

Analyst

Great. I appreciate that. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Yes. Good morning, Todd and team. Thanks for the time today. The first question I had was…

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I was really on Montana in trying to get a sense of what the lost profit opportunity was because it was a tougher quarter, but you had a turnaround and you had a period where you're working through some high-priced inventory. Now, is there a way to strip back out and try to get a sense of what the profitability would have looked like? And in that any comments on when you -- we can really see the run rate levels of profitability for that business?

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hey, Neil, it's Todd. I'll kick again and then, like I said, Bruce will have plenty to add, I'm sure. I'd say lost profit opportunity in the second half was between $80 million and $100 million. So the steam drum crack undoubtedly pushed us back. If we look forward to what we're doing now, and I alluded to this a little bit in this script. I think if we look forward, we look at what margins have done right now, industry margins have softened a little bit and we know we have some impact of old feed. But remember, Montana/Renewables' core advantage is our ability to switch feedstocks and take advantage of whatever market is strong. And what we've really seen is tallow has remained super profitable. Unfortunately, right now we're not able to take advantage of it largely because our inventory is full. So LPO is kind of hard to pull back too much because there's so many elements. But I'd say right now, if we were running in an normal steady-state environment, looking at industry tallow margins of $1.70-ish a gallon or so, we'd be generating somewhere probably between $0.80 and $1 a gallon. So it's a little bit softer out there, but undoubtedly this is a top decile plant. The impact of Q4 was solely on operations and a turnaround and not being able to spread fixed costs and capture those economies of scale. So I don't know, Bruce, what would you add?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

I think that's a good capture. And Neil, in addition, I would flag with tallow margins at $2, if you waive the magic wand, we should be running 100% tallow. And we have done that. We commissioned the unit on 100% tallow so it's within our reach. The issue we ran into was with the downtimes due to the steam drum, we underran production. All of our tanks are full, our supply chain is full, and our ability to shift gears and optimize feed classes is going to be delayed till we clear that inbound.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Bruce. And then team, when do you see that happening? When do you get that inflection? Where we can see the run rate profitability of the renewables business? Is that the middle of this year?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Probably sooner, Neil. We're actually already climbing out of the hole when we look at our internal short-time frame metrics. The quarterly reporting will begin to show that at the end of this current quarter and it's going to continue to improve as we resume normal feed optimization activity.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

And I think if I'd add anything is, expect Q2 for the first full kind of run rate quarter, right? So Bruce is highlighting that. We're getting through the end of our inventory challenges here. I think that we'll have that fully cleared in March, and Q2 is what we're looking at for kind of the first normal, I'll call it, where we're buying feed in month and selling product in the same month at full rate.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Todd. Thanks, Bruce.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Manav Gupta with UBS. Please go ahead.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Guys, I just have a quick macro question. You provided very detailed opening comments and one of the read-throughs for me was that you were indicating that your advantage -- you have advantage feedstock, you're making renewable diesel with the lower feedstock prices eventually. But one side of the industry which you kind of hinted was at a disadvantage was biodiesel producers using vegetable oil. And it looks like some of those guys could shut down and eventually that would help bring the whole industry more into balance, better D4 outlook, better LCFS outlook, and also reduce the oversupply of BDRD. Is that what you are thinking that the advantage projects like yours will run while weaker biodiesel projects using vegetable oil could have to eventually shut down?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Manav, it's Bruce. Directionally, that's absolutely correct. The Siri autumn, you know, the ordinal ranking of cash margin is absolutely going to favor the HEFA producers over the biodiesel logistics, will also sort out individual competitors, and ours are going to be the best because we're the closest to all of the markets. The question on the table is actually how fast does the EPA correct its error. They underrepresented the supply side and that has the effect when they set their targets. Sorry, they set the targets too low, to be clear. That's putting a lot of pressure on the farmers and on the ag sector. I'm not sure that's politically sustainable.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Perfect guys. And a quick follow-up. Looks like New Mexico is also moving ahead. And from what we are hearing is that this delay in carb is actually a little more positive. They are looking at the current mechanism and saying maybe we need to be more strict about it to get the carbon price bank in a better balance. Anything you have heard either on New Mexico or the proposed carb ruling if you could help us out.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Well, we know what you know from the public reports. But our thesis all along has been that the low carbon fuel standard is going to continue to spread geographically. So if you just look at recent history, you have all of federal Canada opting in. And they were careful with the rule. They took their time to get that right, and it came on stream July 1st of this past year. That doubles the addressable diesel volume subject to an LCFS standard, just like that. New Mexico is smaller, I believe 100,000 barrels a day. Diesel is the volume I have in my head. But they're not going to be last. They're just next. A lot of state legislatures are considering this. Sometimes it's for farm support because it does pull crop-based material through into the transportation fuel pool. Sometimes it's for air quality. Everybody has got a different motivation, but that's going to continue. And that's just the US or North American picture. You know, these rules are continuing to come in around the world. As Todd indicated there's been a lot of activity in SAF, most recently with Singapore requirement. And I want to re-emphasize that renewable diesel plus SAF is the call on the HEFA hardware. Every gallon of SAF the industry makes has been taken away from diesel and that's got to be part of the balances for anybody doing any forecasting.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Thank you so much for detailed responses, guys.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Manav.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Sameer Joshi with H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Sameer Joshi

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my questions. Just a clarification on the C-Corp conversion and sort of the monetization of MRL. Is it possible for you to continue to sort of proceed on the divestiture while this C-Corp process is going on, or will it have to be only started after the C-Corp done?

Scott Obermeier

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Hey, Sameer, it's Scott. I think in general, our plan remains unchanged around both monetization and C-Corp conversion. I see them as separate, but there certainly are connection points. Obviously, our core theory with all of this is as Montana/Renewables comes online and just general investor sentiment towards MLPs, there is just -- it's just a completely different investor base. So to get the right type of interest, to get our trading volume up to where it needs to be and to be able to outreach institutional and passive investors, it's just critical that we had a more investable corporate structure. So I think that's separate from a potential monetization of Montana/Renewables. I also think it's generally helpful, right? So as we look at the Montana/Renewables potential monetization, I don't think much has changed there. We said all along that we need probably two quarters of strong steady operations which we started in December. We need at least one quarter, if not two of steady-state financials, which we said today we expect in Q2. So if we kind of tie all of that together, we would be pointing towards second half of the year for potential monetization. Obviously, we don't have to monetize. We are focused on creating Max shareholder value in this whole deal. But we're certainly interested in it and have been talking about it for a while. And I'd say our plan as that is a base case remains unchanged. The conversion or the change to a C-Corp would happen before that. So we expect the conversion to be complete in Q2, which would be before a sale of Montana/Renewables. Does that help?

Sameer Joshi

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Understood. Yes, yes. No. Thanks for that color. I understand. On the -- stepping back and looking at your overall financials, how has the RIN pricing environment helped, or impacted overall profitability? Because you do have to buy the RINs for your non-renewable business. And how is the RINs on balance sheet? How are you playing that -- pricing that out? Just wanted to understand how you're managing profitability and impact of these elements.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Hi, Sameer. It's Bruce. I'll take a start at that. So we basically have an inventory accounting style treatment of RINs on our balance sheet. So we accumulate any length or shortage, treat that as an inventory and reprice it at the end of each quarter. And as we've communicated before, we're not sure that's really a very good estimate of a financial liability for two reasons. One, there's a lot of volatility in the RIN price itself, which you just noted, and a rifle shot of four days out of the whole year is the first question. Secondly, you can't settle that liability with money. That's not how that program works. So with that disclaimer, I think I would also tell you that we're involved in a number of federal circuit court litigations, and I don't want to go too far into any forward-looking statements other than to note that the status of each of those cases is a matter of public record. And for example, the Fifth Circuit sided with us, and we'll see how that plays out as we continue to talk to the EPA.

Sameer Joshi

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Understood. And then one, just last one. Of the actual production of renewables, what proportion was -- I think it was 5.4 barrels per day on average. What proportion was RD and what proportion was SAF?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Our guidance is a 12,000 barrel per calendar day feedstock run. And if you convert that to gallons, you're going to get about 175 million gallons a year. We've contracted 30 million gallons of SAF.

Sameer Joshi

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Okay, got it. Helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gregg Brody with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Gregg Brody

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. And Bruce, are you a little bit surprised that I didn't get to ask the RIN question? Just the thing -- I'm trying to understand how to think about funding the Max expansion project. And I realize the DOE funding is part of that, but can you talk a little bit of the sequencing of MaxSAF? Will you -- do you basically need the DOE funding to come in to start doing that, and then maybe you can try to tie that to ultimately the deleveraging of legacy Calumet?

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey, Greg, it's Todd. We've said before that, that we're not going to take on meaningful extra -- just senior notes to go fund MaxSAF. And that continues to be the plan, at least until we're completely de-levered. So I wouldn't expect that to change. So what that means is it's directly linked to DOE. We've been progressing the engineering. We can do that internally. We can do that through very minor spend to an extent. We're getting to the point now where we have a pretty strong feel of what we have and we're very excited about it. We'll provide more details, actually, probably on the upcoming earnings call of what we actually expect MaxSAF to be. But we don't expect to go forward and spend meaningful dollars until we get DOE approval. So we're quickly coming onto a plateau and just how productive we can be. It's kind of like with the DOE comes the launch of MaxSAF. It's that simple. We've progressed through the pre-planning phases over the past few months and really excited about what we have. So the -- I guess to oversimplify, don't expect a whole bunch of excess new capital to come in to fund MaxSAF. It's strictly tied to DOE. No change in our long-term deleveraging plan. We've said that we want to reduce $300 million to $400 million of outstanding debt. That continues to be the plan, continued path and continues to be a minority sale of Montana/Renewables and free cash flow.

Gregg Brody

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

And would you expect any free cash flow from Montana/Renewable to come out this year, or is it all going to be reinvested?

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

No, I would expect it to stay in Montana/Renewables this year.

Gregg Brody

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

And then just on the DOE, you made it sound like you're optimistic you'll hear something soon. Can you talk a little bit about what you're hearing that gives you confidence in that? And just helps us understand what you're thinking when you made that statement.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Gregg, it's Bruce. I'll take that one. We are actively engaged with the DOE multiple times per week. It's a priority on both sides. And we will expect to have a go, no go in the foreseeable future. This is not a case where we've got some PowerPoint idea and we're running around looking for financing. We're launching the expansion off of a real platform and the economics are compelling.

Gregg Brody

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

All right, guys. I think that's it for me. Thanks for the time.

Todd Borgmann

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Gregg.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jason Gabelman with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Jason Gabelman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I wanted to ask about the political, or I should say government support as it relates to your SAF project. Given that it's an election year, one, how important is it that you get the loan from the DOE prior to the election? Do you see a potential for risk if you don't get it by then? And then two, how comfortable are you with the SAF economics excluding support from the IRA given there could be some risk to the producer tax credit if there's a republican wave?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Jason, I'll start. It's difficult to speculate on an election result. And as far as the second part of your question, we are able to participate in the current legislated markets which are not only federal. Remember that LCFS matters. Remember that there's a lot of global pressure to pull SAF into physical commerce. The commercial premiums in Europe are in the $3 a gallon range. Volumes are being mandated. State of Illinois has passed a $1.50 per gallon tax credit. So it's a much, much broader tapestry of support than just is the future administration going to reverse the existing federal law. And I don't think we perceive that as a large risk because if there's not a premium for SAF, we're going to leave it in the diesel. No premium, no SAF, and that's globally true.

Jason Gabelman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks. And then just on the DOE loan process, has there been something that's been holding this up longer than expected? I don't know if there's something specific or if it's just typical kind of government delays that you run into. But I think when you first started talking about the DOE loan, you expected it to get it as early as Labor Day 2023.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

It's Bruce again. Your memory is correct. We actually began talking to the DOE two years ago. We didn't talk publicly about that earlier, but as it became a real prospect on both sides, we did have a step change improvement in that conversation after the IRA legislation came through. That changed a number of things. And so we're in actually a much better situation and assuming success, you're going to like it when it comes out. But it did require some re-architecture based upon the change in legislative support.

Jason Gabelman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then the final one just on Canada, which you mentioned is an important market for your renewable diesel sales. Can you discuss -- it's a bit less transparent than kind of the U.S. LCFS programs just given the federal program starting to ramp up. Can you discuss the outlook for that market? Do you expect that to become a major pull on U.S. renewable diesel production over the next couple of years as their clean fuel standard program ramps up?

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Yes. And to give a little more color, if you make a loose analogy, the Canadian industry structure is similar to the U.S. side. There's a leader on the West Coast, that's British Columbia. They've got their own model and rules that are tighter than the national averages. Same as the analogy to California or CARP, and the U.S. federal. There is a proliferation of provincial-level requirements, some of which are direct volume mandates, not LCFS style, and then you've got the federal overlay of an LCFS program running off of a different model platform than the BC one. So the parallels are very, very reasonable. And if you take that and project it, the tightening program just calls in more and more volume. You know, it's supplied by import now, and the forecast is that'll continue. We're in a great position to be the shipper. Now, I want to give you a different thought. The model differences in Canada are not only on the product side. They treat carbon intensity calculations differently, and particularly British Columbia does. And so there's a real incentive to take Canadian canola and round trip it through our plant back to Canadian placed product. We've got one of our off-takers specifically requesting that we assign them product made from canola. So there is a lot going on under the surface. The forecast is that the global energy transition drive continues. Different local political -- local regional political players will find a way to properly tune that to their ag sector, their ranch sector, in the case of tallow, and there's no reason not to remain optimistic about the underlying industry structure.

Jason Gabelman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Great. Got it. Thanks for the answers.

Bruce Fleming

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Brad McMurray for any closing remarks.

Brad McMurray

Analyst

Thanks, Betsy. On behalf of the management team here in the room and really all of us here at Calumet, we appreciate your time and interest this morning. Thank you for joining us on today's earnings call. Have a great weekend, everybody.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.