Hratch Panossian
Management
Good morning, Doug. Thank you for the question. Happy to take that. So let me start with your immediate question, and we did disclose that, right? So we had about $114 million in severance. There was a few other things quarter that I referred to in terms of onetime charges that were in those businesses relating to some matters, some real estate, some software, et cetera across the bank. But that severance number that we disclosed was the majority of it. In terms of how it breaks down, I'm not going to get into a lot of detail. But there was -- the predominant pieces of it were in the Corporate and Other segment and in capital markets, and there was a piece of it in the US, the onetime in the US And given what I said in terms of the growth, excluding the onetime you can back into it, it's sort of about in the 10% of that number range that you had this quarter. And all of that is part of our journey, and it ties to the second part of your question as we've said we want to continue optimizing the bank as we go, making continuous improvements, investing, having the ability to move the team around and our resources around. So that's how we've delivered not just this quarter, for the full year, 1.2% operating average that we've shown over three years and five years around neutral despite significantly increasing investment levels over that period of time. And with that foundational capability now built, we have the ability to take out 1% to 2% of our expenses every year. This year, it was more around the 1% range. Going forward, we've got now visibility into the pipeline of efficiency savings we're getting, that's getting to that 2% number a year in '24 and beyond. So that's what allows us to manage our expenses to around mid-single digits, plus or minus, as we said we will do. And the plus or minus depends on the top line environment. So next year, we think it might be a tougher environment on the top line. And so as I said in my guidance, we are now managing to the minus side of mid-single digits on the expenses. But we can do that while actually investing and grows -- having expenses grow above mid-single digits through those investments, funding everything we've laid out in those four priorities that Victor spoke about, including further efficiency improvements through enabling and simplifying our bank. And so that's what allows us to continue generating that operating leverage on an ongoing basis.