Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Compass Minerals’ First Quarter Earnings Conference. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Theresa Womble. Please go ahead ma'am.
Compass Minerals International, Inc. (CMP)
Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 26, 2016
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Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Compass Minerals’ First Quarter Earnings Conference. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Theresa Womble. Please go ahead ma'am.
Theresa Womble
Management
Thank you, Melanie. Today, our CEO, Fran Malecha and our CFO, Matthew Foulston, will review our first quarter results as rest of the year outlook. Before I turn the call over to them, let me remind you that today’s discussion may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company’s expectations as of today’s date, April 26, 2016, and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the company’s actual results to differ materially. The differences could be caused by a number of factors, including those identified in Compass Minerals’ most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made today to reflect future events or developments. You can find reconciliations of any non-GAAP financial information that we discuss today in our earnings release, or on the Investor Relations section of our website at compassminerals.com. Before I turn the call over to Fran please note that we reissued our earnings press release last night to correct an error in our salt segment outlook table. All materials on our website are correct. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Now I turn the call over to Fran.
Fran Malecha
CEO
Thanks Theresa. Good morning and thank you for joining our call today. The headwinds of mild winter weather and a weak agriculture sector continued to impact our results for this quarter. Total revenue declined about 12% and operating earnings declined 13% compared to the first quarter of 2015. That being said our consolidated margin performance has held steady and it has continued to improve in our salt business. These results demonstrate that we continue to make progress on what we can control and we are working to maximize the value of our unique assets. We have taken necessary steps to reduce costs and align production with demand in both businesses, and we remain keenly focused on executing the matrix of capital projects that we believe will sustain our company and drive long-term growth. Let us start with a closer look at our salt segment results. As you all know winter weather was very mild this year. Snow events in the 11 cities we track were 24% below the 10-year average for the first quarter and 38% below the 10-year average for the full winter season. It was even milder in the UK. Given how mild the winter was, we were encouraged by the fact that our salt volumes were only 3% lower year-over-year. In fact, our highway deicing sales in North America were actually better than in the first quarter of 2015. The volume declines were primarily in the UK highway deicing as well as package deicing sales in our consumer and industrial business. The improvement in North American highway deicing sales was directly tied to the fact that we won more deicing contracts during the 2015-2016 bid season. Further these contracts were logistically favorable American for us, so we have been able to improve our margin performance as well.…
Matthew Foulston
CFO
Thanks, Fran and good morning, everyone. If you are following with our presentation online I would like to turn to our first quarter salt results on Slide 8. A quick look at the price and volume chart gives a great visual representation of how resilient our salt segment sales were during the quarter despite the lack of snow events. As Fran mentioned, we actually saw more deicing sales volume in North America than we did in the same period last year due to the increase in bid volumes we won. In total, highway deicing volumes were only down 3% compared to the first quarter of 2015 while consumer and industrial volumes were 5% lower. As expected the average selling price for our products in the first quarter was lower due to the year-over-year decline in highway deicing contract prices. Consumer and industrial pricing was essentially flat. Like last quarter we are pleased with our margin performance in the salt segment. Both our operating margin and our EBITDA margin expanded 4 points from the first quarter of 2015. This represents the seventh consecutive quarter of year-over-year salt margin improvement. As Fran mentioned, we continue to benefit from lower fuel costs and shipping rates in our consumer and industrial business, and lower logistics costs in our highway deicing business resulting from the freight logical customers we are serving as a result of our successful bidding strategy. The first quarter of 2015 was also impacted by some short-term costs that depressed salt margin performance. As we noted them, these costs included imported salt use, unplanned weather related downtime at Goderich, and some additional reserves for a 2010 labor related legal matter. We estimated those costs negatively impacted our first quarter 2015 EBITDA margin by just over 2 percentage points. As you can see,…
Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Ivan Marcuse with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one would be in terms of – I just want to make sure I heard you correctly, in terms of the cost per ton in your operating results for plant nutrition; you expect that to drop $50 sequentially or on a year-over-year basis in the second quarter?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Sequentially Ivan.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Got it, and if you look at your – sort of you have had a lot of headwinds I guess and moving parts over the past couple of years, your 2018 guidance of $500 million in EBITDA, do you still remain sort of confident that you are going to get there or what needs to happen for that – for your guys to accomplish that goal?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Ivan, it is Fran. We are still confident that we will get there. Obviously, mild winters don't help with that and our plans as we make them and describe them, are based on normal or average weather. So that has to be factored in. But I think as we said all along, we have made the capital decisions and we are making those investments today to drive increased bottom line performance and give us some additional capacity on both the salt side and the plant nutrition side that we think we will be able to use over the next few years. And there is still a portion that will need to come from acquisitions but with the [PDQ] transaction, we think we have pretty much bridged most of that gap. So I think we are still tracking onto the 500. We are bit more challenged given the headwinds we faced here in the last year to 18 months. But we think we are well positioned in the market to take advantage when those headwinds turn to tailwinds.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Thanks, you need to use debt to fund the rest of your capital projects due to lower level of profitability?
Matthew Foulston
CFO
Ivan, this is Matthew. Now we feel comfortable about the level of debt we have in place right now. I think when we obviously get to the put option or the call option on Produquímica depending on the timing, we will probably be back in the debt market, especially if it occurs earlier in the three or four alternatives there are for that.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
For your capital projects that you have remaining with the lower level of profitability you still feel confident you are going to be able to fund those with cash from operations or would be able to go borrow some to fund those…?
Matthew Foulston
CFO
Now, we are absolutely fine to finish the projects we have started.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Great, thanks.
Fran Malecha
CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
We will go next to Chris Parkinson with Credit Suisse.
Chris Parkinson
Analyst
Perfect. Thank you. Within the SOP markets in the US, is most of the pressure from imports in the Southeast and if prices held a little bit on the Pacific coast, and then also you mentioned some susceptibility of MOP or SOP to MOP switching, can you just comment on which crops are the ones we should be looking at there, thank you?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Sure, this is Fran. The imports do come in primarily into the eastern ports, and are more competitive into the Florida market in that part of the US. But there are imports that do come into California through the port of Stockton that compete in that market. We have seen I would say better returns in California. It is a key market for us given the crops that are grown there as well as the location of our operation at Ogden relative to that market. I think in terms of that chloride sensitivity, we see more of that in markets like the Pacific Northwest and through the Midwest where you have crops like potatoes and tomatoes and other crops like that that have that ability to use a blend of MOP or SOP are less chloride sensitive.
Chris Parkinson
Analyst
Perfect. Thank you, and just a quick follow up, obviously it is surely a comment on price and volume for the upcoming key season, but over the last few seasons you have kind of strived to maximize netbacks and develop a few new regional specific strategies, I am sure the overall health of the market will dictate kind of the pace at which you can realize these improvements but is there any more low hanging fruit there and things that you are preparing your team you do as you approach the bid season? Thank you.
Fran Malecha
CEO
I wouldn’t characterize it as low hanging fruit. There are differences in the markets. North of the border in the US we do have some contracts that are multiyear and we had some contracts that have a min/max to them and some of the states in the U.S. maybe, just bad or even below those minimums and all of those will impact the pricing dynamics coming up this spring and into the summer. But the markets’ mature and I wouldn't characterize it as having any low hanging fruit. We think we positioned ourselves well over the last couple of years in the places where we have gained some share and we just have to see how the season here – the bid season turns out.
Chris Parkinson
Analyst
Perfect, thank you very much.
Fran Malecha
CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We will go next to Jeff Zekauskas with JP Morgan.
Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst
Thanks very much. Can you hear me?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Yes.
Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you. When you calculate the estimated effect of winter weather on salt segment performance and do these tons or this tonnage change does it apply both for highway deicing and to consumer and industrial, or just the highway deicing?
Matthew Foulston
CFO
This is Matthew. It applies to both and the dynamics are a little different in both segments because you get a lot of big box retail stores take their initial fill and get ready in Q4, so whether it snows or not you don’t see as much of an impact in Q4, and then when you get to Q1 and have some snow you get a lot of not refilling because there is no pull through. So we tend to see if it is a mild winter a bigger impact on the C&I deicing side in Q1 than we do in Q4.
Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst
Great. So, what would you say your normal tonnage is for the first quarter of 2016 if there were no weather effect, and do you think of that – I guess I will just leave it at that, and has your idea of tonnage in a normal winter changed over time?
Fran Malecha
CEO
I think – we look at 10-year averages as [accurate] for where we are compared to normal and the 10-year average for Q1 on the salt side I think is about 4.8 million tons and ’16 was down at about 4.2. There is lots of moving parts within that because as we mentioned we did like the bid season results and the commitments were up a little, but again that was put against, winter mildness in Q1. So we think we were down about 600,000 tons from a sort of normal average winter.
Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst
And what would have been the normal winter number for the fourth quarter of ’15 in tonnage terms?
Fran Malecha
CEO
If you look at 2015 I think the 10-year average is somewhere around 4.2 million tons.
Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Fran Malecha
CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
And we will go next to Bob Koort with Goldman Sachs.
Ryan Berney
Analyst
Good morning. This is Ryan Berney on for Bob. When you come out of an especially kind of underwhelming or unfavorable weather season for salt in the past, does that typically kind of affect the competition strategy between you and your competitors with municipalities and is there pressure to cover your fixed cost with some volumes in that scenario that might come out of price?
Fran Malecha
CEO
I would characterize the business as significantly geared towards the fixed cost. We try to variabilize what we can, but these large unique assets tend to have more fixed costs than variable and our competition I would guess is very similar to us in terms of that. So we all have fixed costs to cover and as to the approach through the bid season, I won't speak for our competitors, but we certainly will take that into account as we go through the season.
Ryan Berney
Analyst
Great, thank you, and then a quick one on the SOP volumes, it seems like the guide is for a nice little step up in the second quarter from the first quarter, historically it looks like maybe the first quarter has been a bit stronger, so with this kind of a function of a little bit of kind of delayed farmer spending or is this more of a shift in strategy given kind of the pricing guidance you have given?
Fran Malecha
CEO
There has been no shift in strategy. I think it maybe more timing than anything else, but no shift in our pricing strategy that would drive additional volume into the second quarter from the first.
Ryan Berney
Analyst
Thank you very much.
Fran Malecha
CEO
You are welcome.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We will go next to Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets.
Joel Jackson
Analyst
Hi, good morning. Two questions, first on salt, your Q2 salt volume guidance is pretty average with the historical, obviously with the mild winter, does this mean you do not expect to see a lot of rollovers with your customers and since they probably do not meet their maximum – their minimum commitments under the contract?
Fran Malecha
CEO
I think we will have some states or municipalities that may fall just below the minimums and part of our bidding strategy would be to roll as many contracts over as we can, so that's a work in progress. On the terms of the volume, in the quarter Matthew, something else that stands out.
Matthew Foulston
CFO
Thanks. I think the market size is just likely to be a little smaller as we go into this year when we look at remaining inventories. So, we are just thinking across the board slightly lower volumes.
Joel Jackson
Analyst
And then, my second question is kind of SOP importance so a lot of commentary how SOP, rated SOP imports -- be accelerated and 7% in Q1 if you look at the TFI data of January and February, through February SOP importance were down 40% year-over-year. So if I take you have presented it looks there was a huge re-acceleration in SOP imports in March. Is that what you are seeing in March and is that what we should expect the next for Q2 with the SOP imports re-accelerated?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Yes, I mean we are talking relatively small numbers and the percentage that you are talking about when you say huge, I mean the tons are that significant Joe, I think if you look at numbers that we have through the first quarter or through March, there is only about 1,500 tons difference between first quarter of this year slightly higher than first quarter of last year and that is becoming one vessels or shipments land more than anything else.
Joel Jackson
Analyst
You did see a big pick up in March is that fair?
Fran Malecha
CEO
A slight take up in March. Right.
Joel Jackson
Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
We will go next to Ivan Marcuse with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Hey just a quick question. A couple of quick questions on the equity line you refer to this as being a small quarter. So, what do you expect for this on a per quarter basis and is there will there be seasonality that line or do you expect it to be pretty even throughout the year?
Matthew Foulston
CFO
Yes, Ivan this is Mathew. As we mentioned, we are going to be reporting this on a quarter lag, so in Q2 we will be reporting the Q1 results. I think we mentioned on the last call that we expected the full year result in this to be single digit number so in total not large and there certainly will be some seasonality to it. The start of the year tends to be very slow there and the lot of the volume is waited towards to the back end. So one of the things that you will see is the their fourth quarter is going to fall over into the first quarter of next year, so we should be sitting here in a year hopefully looking at a very strong fourth quarter where we pick up the whole quarter not just the few days.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Okay. Thanks. And then for SOP pricing did you anticipate lower prices again this quarter or sort of pretty stable, so I am assuming that the price decrease last quarter are working or is it still to be decided?
Fran Malecha
CEO
I think, it's still a bit to be determined as we mentioned both the my comments and Mathew's that with the price of MLP, so trying to find the bottom some of the actions that we have seen in the pricing in the first quarter in the US on MLP even as we have lowered the price of SOP that pricing relationship hasn't changed significantly. And so we probabilities haven't picked up as many tons from the more less chloride sensitive cross than we would have hoped that we are continuing to watch that and manage it and stay close to our customer base and we will have to see how the quarter plays out ahead of us before we would make any pricing decisions.
Ivan Marcuse
Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Okay, thanks.
Operator
Operator
We will go next to Chris Shaw with Monness, Crespi.
Chris Shaw
Analyst
Yes good morning everyone how are you doing? When you picked up the bid volumes last season I can't remember that was stated strategy or just sort of fortunate result of the bidding season I mean looking ahead this bidding season I mean is that something that you are the volumes are looking to hold on to or is that possible I think last year I thought some of that added bid volume you won was part due to the strong snows on the East coast and I guess lot of the softies that way so just looking ahead is that are those increase bid volume doesn't give really like sort of the hold on to this year and do you think you can?
Fran Malecha
CEO
Sure, we are picking up those additional volumes those additional share was definitely part of our strategy our longer term strategy and last year timing was right to do that for variety of factors. And we have signaled that we expect the size of the bid this year to be smaller we would expect to hold our share we are looking to grow share beyond kind of this level that we are at. And we will just have to see how it plays out.
Chris Shaw
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] It appears we have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn call back over to Ms. Womble for any additional or closing remarks.
Theresa Womble
Management
Thank you Melanie. We appreciate your interest in Compass Minerals. Please feel free to contact the investor relations department with any follow-up questions you may have. You can find the contact information on the IR section of our website. Have a great day.
Operator
Operator
That does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.