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Cimpress plc (CMPR)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 28, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Cimpress Fiscal Year 2016 Fourth Quarter Q&A Earnings Conference Call. My name is Vince, and I'll be your operator for today. This call is being hosted by Robert Keane, President and CEO; and Sean Quinn, Executive Vice President and CFO. As noted in the Safe Harbor statement at the beginning of the earnings presentation, comments may include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding revenue and earnings guidance, and actual results may differ materially. Risk that could impose those statements are described in the documents that are periodically filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Operator

Operator

Our first question is from Youssef Squali of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open, sir.

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Thank you very much and good morning, Robert and Sean. So just a couple of questions to start. Your new customer account growth within the VBU was positive for the first time, I think, in three years. So, Robert, I was just wondering how you feel about that metric going forward. Do you feel that you are now in the clear with all the changes that you've made, obviously barring any black swan events? What about orders and order per customer? What's the trend there? And then, secondly – second, you've highlighted some investment – new investment plans for 2017. I think it calls for $215 million for the first other organic investments. Can you just please help us elaborate on that a little bit. It looks like a big chunk of that may be going into marketing spend, particularly, I guess, for the Upload and Print business, if I understand it correctly. Maybe, you can help us understand why the focus on marketing there now. And just what's the payback time and expected IRR for that $215 million that you are looking to spend for that division? Thanks. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Great. Good morning, Youssef. So let me start with your second question. The investments that we make, and I'd – and personally, in front of me, I have the letter to investors, which went out. It talks in detail about that. It does lay out the diverse other $215 million you spoke about. But it's a large amount of money, but only a small component relative to that $215 million is advertising. It's about $65 million out of the $215 million. And that $65 million relates to the $315 million total that we are spending in all types of these long-term investments.…

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Congrats on that. We've been waiting for it for a while. So, it's good to see. And then the last question, 2015, 2016 were definitely big M&A years for you. Robert, can you speak to maybe your appetite for M&A still as you enter 2017? Maybe size of the pipeline and if you were to do it, are you doing it for scale still, technology, geo, just anything on that would be great? Thanks. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. So, we started about three years to four years ago being much more proactive in reaching out and building relationships with literally dozens and hundreds of companies to understand what the space was out there, not to necessarily do an acquisition with each one of them, but to get to know them as participants in a mutual market. And I wouldn't call that set of relationships an M&A pipeline by any means, but it's a strong set of relationships. And within that we then look for companies that have a combination of great company culture, clear customer value proposition, something that we do not have, or we couldn't develop internally for lower costs, and very importantly, a sane rational evaluation expectation that matches our commitment to learn from mistakes in the past to not overpay for a company. Now, that comes with a pretty high bar. So, to your question, I don't think we have a difference of opinion than we have in the past for M&A. If we find a strong company that meets those criteria and a few other criteria, and very importantly, we have the financing available to make that deal, we would do that. And that's very much something that we can't control the timing of. Some of the companies we acquired, we had multiple years of discussions and relationships with before the deal ever was consummated. So, at the highest level the strategy to look at acquisitions is one way to build our capabilities remains. It just can't be predicted with any precision. And I would say, we talked in our investor deck about our debt capacity and barring the use of equity, which is not something we've done recently. We would see M&A as something it's obviously constrained by our debt covenants.

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Got it. Thanks, Robert.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Matthew Thornton of SunTrust. Your line is open, sir.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just to start off, on the shipping price reductions, Robert, I'm sorry if I missed this, but I guess, can you just talk little bit about the early feedback, you've seen or the results you've seen from those price reductions in the UK, as well as some of the tests you've done in the U.S. and elsewhere. And then just secondly on the Upload and Print business, if I read the commentary correct, it sounds like the weighted portfolio is growing at an organic growth rate at above – up roughly 21%, which is what you reported this quarter, which is interesting because I think the existing base load down a little fast, so we would have thought and we actually expected a further step down when the next cohort of acquisitions entered the base. But that doesn't seem to be the case, so I just want to make sure, I understood that correctly and again if there is anything that's kind of, changed amongst the different assets there? Thanks Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Okay. So why don't I touch lightly on your first question then turn it to you, Sean. In terms of the reaction and the impact of the shipping price changes in the UK and elsewhere. The number one, detriment or negative factor we have in customer loyalty in the Vistaprint brand when we've done deep research in what it's otherwise a very, very strong and continually growing Net Promoter Score and our customer loyalty has been our shipping prices. And so, without going into specifics, we see that addressing that has very positive impact on the number one thing, we need to improve to keep our customers happier. Now, in terms of metrics, Sean, do you want to touch a little bit on what we've seen? If at all, just don't know what we've talked about - Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah, sure. So that I think, we are still early in the process of collecting data as we've talked about. We've done testing, particularly in the UK, in France and Germany, a little bit in the U.S. in Q4. And it differs by market, but we are encouraged by the trends we see in conversion rate, which is probably the easiest one to measure quickly and also repeat rates which is something that does take a little bit more time to collect that full feedback loop. But we are encouraged by what we see there, enough so that we feel comfortable making this investment.

Meredith Burns - Investor Relations Contact

Analyst

Matt, Trynka is going to spend some time on that in her Investor Day presentation on August 10th, so you will be able to hear more information directly from the President of Vistaprint.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

And do you want to talk about the growth in the Upload and Print, Sean? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah. Matt, so your numbers are correct. So the organic growth for Upload And Print for this quarter was 21%, which did slow down a little bit from sequential quarters, mostly because of a tough comp in Q4 last year, it was 34% last year. And that 21% organic growth is roughly consistent with the pro-forma growth for that portfolio as a whole. Now there is a mix underneath that, right. So, we have organic of 21%. Those include some of our faster growing businesses within that portfolio. In Q1 of next year, we will have lapped the acquisition dates for our Q4, 2015 acquisitions, so those all get folded into the organic rate and we expect it that will cause a slowdown organic rate, but that does not include all the acquisitions, right. So that's why you see that difference. Overtime we do expect, as a portfolio, that the growth rates here will moderate, just you know the law of larger numbers, but we are and we say this in our commentary, comfortable that we can continue to grow this portfolio at double-digits for the foreseeable future.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Perfect. And maybe, Sean, if I could just dive in on that just little further. So, just to make sure I understood that. In the current quarter, September quarter obviously we'll get the exit group and DRUCK to kind to cohort entering the base and you expect that to have some downward pressure on the organic growth rate. If I heard you correct. And then WIRmachenDRUCK would enter I guess in the June quarter, so the last quarter of this fiscal year, that would have some impact as well? Did I read that right? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: That's correct. The only one that you left out is Tradeprint, but in the – in terms of magnitude, that's smaller in the calculation.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Got you. In the December quarter, I got you. Perfect. One follow-up, if I could I guess, and then I'll jump back in the queue, any update or progress in the beta partnership or the beta relationship you had with Amazon in the U.S.? Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: No, Matt, there is really nothing to report there. And so, it's kind of same as what we've talked about in prior quarters. Remains in test, one product, one location. Amazon is mostly in control of the progress there because they own kind of the development as it relates to the user experience. And so, we continue to be here to support them, but nothing material to update on.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

All right. Terrific. Very helpful. Thanks, guys. I'll jump back in the queue. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Kevin Steinke of Barrington Research. Your line is open, sir.

Kevin Mark Steinke - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning. So, you noted that in the fourth quarter you invested more in advertising, particularly in Europe, which you believe contributed to an improved growth in Europe during the quarter. So, I guess all along, I – part of your narrative has been that you would invest more in advertising in Europe when you felt good about – better about the prospects of the business there and improvements being made. So, I'm just kind of wondering what you were seeing in Europe that motivated you to spend more on advertising there in the quarter? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah, Kevin, so I think you've – you read the story line correctly. And this is something that really is the story that – or journey that we've been on for many years, not just any one quarter. So, over the last three or so years we've done a lot to improve the customer value proposition. And as we've talked about in Europe, we probably had the furthest to go. The team has been hard at work, again, over a multi-year period. And we now feel comfortable starting to spend more against that, given the progress that we've made. When you look at the advertising spend, and this is particularly in the Vistaprint business. For Q4, a lot of the growth of the spend was in Europe. And we saw favorable results attached to that. As we said to in an answer to an earlier question, the new customer account growing in Europe, which is – again, is a trend that has been intact for three years or so, but we were in – down quite a bit if you look back to when we were doing our reinvents in Europe. So, yeah, so you're right. We do have increased confidence. We did increase spend, and we're happy with the results related to that.

Kevin Mark Steinke - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Okay. That's good to hear. And, so, the 100 basis point impact on Vistaprint unit growth that you expect from the shipping price reductions. I believe you say that's net of estimated benefits from improved customer satisfaction. So, it sounds like presumably you are baking in some benefit from the reduced shipping prices into that 100 basis point number. I don't know how much more detail you want to get into right now. But I guess any color on the estimated benefits you are expecting, you know – yeah, go ahead, sorry? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah. I understand the question. So, I will try and put the story together for you a bit more, Kevin. So, you are right. So we've mentioned roughly 100 basis point impact on the top-line which, as you say, is net of the benefit that we expect to get in this next fiscal year from increased conversion rates and repeat rates. Now, that said, you'll also see in Robert's letter to investors and some of our other materials that the total investment that we expect for fiscal 2017 is about $20 million, and the rest of that is related to the increase in the cost of goods sold. As you have customers come back and repeat more often, essentially the cost of that revenue goes up like-for-like, and so the total investment is about $20 million. So that's how I would kind of put it altogether. We haven't detailed out exactly what we expect the gross benefit from a top-line perspective to be, but it's clear from that that this will not pay back within 12 months, but we do think it's the right thing to do.

Kevin Mark Steinke - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks for taking my questions. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Thanks, Kevin.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Chris Merwin of Barclays. Your line is open.

Christopher David Merwin - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

All right. Great, thank you. Yes, I just had a question on, I guess, a number of the investments. I think altogether I think you got it to about a $20 million headwind from shipping, $17 million from partnerships running off, there is roughly $70 million in investments and then some headwinds from taxes. And, so, I guess all in it's – it could be $100 million or more. But, I guess, last year you had called out some headwinds, but certainly we saw some strong operating leverage in the Vistaprint business unit, as well as Upload and Print. So just trying to understand in the context of all the things you called out as headwinds to operating profit, how much of that could be offset by kind of operating leverage in those core businesses. Thanks. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Sure, thanks for the question, Chris. We haven't provided, kind of, consolidated guidance, but let me try and add a little bit to what you said. You are right. There are a number of areas where next year we will see either increased investment or increased cost. You mentioned the increase in investments that Robert outlined in his letter, which is about $67 million. We have the loss of partners that we've also talked about in our materials, which is about $70 million, some increased taxes and also increased share based compensation from our new long-term incentive plan, which is really more of a timing thing, but will weigh on profitability next year. So, that is kind of the collective headwind, if you will, attached to that. Now, that said, we had a strong year this year in terms of the underlying profitability and growth of both the Vistaprint business and our Upload and Print businesses and we remain confident about that as we head into this next year. We haven't been specific in terms of what the underlying profitability will be for those businesses, but I think it's fair to assume that the growth of those businesses would offset some of this to what extent we haven't been specific about.

Christopher David Merwin - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough, thanks. And I guess just one quick follow-up, I think you had mentioned also an accelerated charge from earn-outs relating to the DRUCK acquisition. Is €40 million, is that the right charge near-term or is that – am I not thinking about that correctly? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah, so this is something we mentioned in our forward-looking commentary and €40 million is the total amount of the potential earn-out. And we update our estimates of what we will pay each quarter as we're required to do. The specific item that you're mentioning, Chris is we did amend the earn-out agreement in July. And so, yeah – and there is really no substantive change in the earn-out agreement but from an accounting perspective, we need to take about €7 million in Q1 related to that. Those are things that we exclude from our calculation of no path that we disclosed, because we think about that very much as part of the purchase consideration and not something that's part of our operating results. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Could I just clarify that that potential payout of €40 million would fall into our 2018 fiscal year. It's based on results through December of 2017. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah. From a cash flow perspective, yes.

Meredith Burns - Investor Relations Contact

Analyst

I guess, I'll just add one more thing, which is that these earn-outs are structured to motivate the managers of the acquisitions that we make to generate returns. And so you were super happy every time that we are able to fully payout an earn-out. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Absolutely. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Yes.

Christopher David Merwin - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

All right, great. Thank you all. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Brian Fitzgerald of Jefferies. Your line is open, sir.

Brian P. Fitzgerald - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Thanks. You noted that repeat bookings continue to grow at a double-digit rate. Anything you've seen in terms of distinct dynamics from the cohorts to call out there in terms of repeat rates? And then maybe one more, can you walk through the impact to your model that you see from the changes in employee compensation, as well as the changes to accounting for stock-based comp that you implemented in the quarter? Thank you. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Sure, Brian. This is Sean. In terms of repeat rates, I would say, I'm not sure, that there is any real new dynamics to call out. We see continued strength. Obviously, you mentioned that we have double-digit bookings from repeat that remains true. And that's been the case for several quarters, now. So, we continue to be encouraged by the trends there. And we could say, the same for things like in the Vistaprint business gross profit per customer and PS in the other metrics that we track. So really no new change there. I think the biggest change this quarter really had to do with new customer dynamics, which we've talked about in response to previous questions. In terms of your question on the cost of the – our change incentive plan, there are a number of things that I think will be kind of, helpful to go through and I actually plan to – amongst other housekeeping items, I plan to go through this in a little bit more detail at our Investor Day. But let me give you some of the headlines, which is that we have because of the new plan, which we are very excited about and our employees very much embraced as they had to go through their elections for this next year. There is definitely a shift from a more cash centric LTI plan to a more equity-centric plan. And the way that the accounting rules work for the awards that we issued is that we have to expense them on an accelerated profile. And so there is this big timing shift that we'll experience in fiscal 2017. In our forward-looking commentary, we mentioned an increase in share-based compensation, of about $15 million, which is subject to some things that are still yet to happen, but that's our best estimate as of now. About $10 million of that is simply a timing shift in terms of how we need to expense these awards versus how we expensed our RSUs in the past. So we will experience that that $10 million timing difference this year. I'll go through some of the other dynamics that are less material at our Investor Day, like how it could impact working capital over time and so forth, but I think that's the most material one to call out.

Brian P. Fitzgerald - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Great, thanks, Sean. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Youssef Squali of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open, sir.

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Thank you very much. Just want to come back to couple of house – basically some easy questions. Sean, can you speak to that $18.2 million in other income? What is that from because that had material impacts at the bottom line? And then on the gross margin that 53.5%, it seems to have hit a historic low, what are the ins and outs there for the quarter? And I have a quick follow-up? Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: So in our other income, the biggest driver there, Youssef, is clearly the unrealized gains on our hedging contracts and also in our company loans, which we've talked about in the past. There are some other smaller items in there, for example we had a final payment on the recoveries from the fire at our Venlo production facility earlier in the year, which was a little under $1 million. But the predominance to that about $16 million relates to unrealized gains on hedging and our company loans. Now within that, clearly we experienced some FX volatility in Q4 on the back of the Brexit vote. As I think you know, Youssef and we've talked about it in the past, we do have an active hedging program where we averaging over 15 months to 18 months period to cover our EBITDA exposures from an FX standpoint. And so, a lot of what you see in Q4 below the line is the change in value of our pound contracts, which we entered into all before the Brexit vote. And so, we have from that have good visibility to what our FY 2017-pound rates are and even some of FY 2018, but that is the biggest change below the line. In terms of gross margin, Youssef, I think, again, the predominant trend here is the mix shift towards our Upload and Print businesses. So, that is the biggest thing to call out. There are a few other puts and takes within here. One is we had about a $1.2 million write-down of some equipment that runs through that line. We have some of the amortization of the acquired intangible assets from our WIRmachenDRUCK acquisition flow-through COGS and therefore impact gross margin. And that was offset by some recoveries on the Venlo fire as well. So, those are the things there is puts and takes, not that material. The biggest thing is the mix shift towards Upload and Print.

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Got it. And then Robert on Brexit, can you just tell us how you think about it? I guess, FX notwithstanding, because God knows where FX rates are going to end up being. But how big is the UK for you? How big are the cross border transactions that may or may not be impacted by the Brexit vote? Thanks. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: So, the immediate effect, obviously, is to make exports from our European production facilities more expensive into the UK. But we with the Tradeprint acquisition have a UK production facility, we also have UK suppliers and we also have some coverage out 12 months, 18 months for the hedging that Sean just spoke to. So, we had been looking at European wide networks of production, including the UK over the last two years to three years. One of the reasons we were interested in Tradeprint was the UK based production. So, I think this is something that we are aware of but it's not a material shift in our outlook and I would not be surprised if we shift some production into the UK over the coming 18 months, but it is certainly an important market for us. And the impact of Brexit on our near-term business is pretty minimal. The UK is the market where we, I think, have the biggest mismatch between costs and revenues. That being said, we do have, besides the Tradeprint Group, we have a fairly established business or office in London for Vistaprint. We have advertising that we take in pounds, and, so we do have quite a bit of cost which are matched, it's not a perfect match by any means. Net-net, Sean, if you feel different, I don't see this is a big issue for the business. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: No, I think – I think it's yet to be seen what some of the real specific changes will be and the timing of those. So, we will react to those as they come. But certainly it's not a big discussion inside the walls here other than for currency, which we've outlined. The pound is our biggest EBITDA exposure, and – but like I said, we've got good visibility to our pound rates for FY 2017 as well as part of FY 2018 because of our effective currency hedging program.

Youssef Squali - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Okay, thanks for the color. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Thanks, Youssef.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Kevin Kopelman of Cowen & Co. Your line is open. Kevin Kopelman - Cowen & Co. LLC: Hi. Thanks a lot. Just I was hoping to ask about the major organic investments in fiscal 2017. Clearly, the mass customization platform really taking precedent there. And I just wanted to, was hoping if you could give us a little bit more color on the development of the MCP. And then conversely, on Columbus, we see the investment going down. Is that just a product of revenue growth and any additional color you can provide? Thanks. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Qualitatively, I'm going to talk about the platform itself, we are continuing along a multi-year path, which is very much in line with what we thought we would be doing when we started on this path two years ago. The absolute investment is almost doubling next year, or more than doubling from $24 million to $50 million (32:17), if you look at it in a NOPAT perspective and $27 million to $55 million (32:20), if you look it from a free cash flow perspective. That is because we do feel that we've gotten far enough in the development that we see some major opportunity to have synergies in revenue via expanding product line and product depth across our different brands through platform, in cost opportunities by unifying the production flows. And when you look at the size of our P&L, even slight changes in those areas, revenue growth or COGS can have a very significant payback. That being said, this is a complicated project. We've known it's been a complicated project for quite some time. We feel that right now we have enough tests that have been completed and given…

Meredith Burns - Investor Relations Contact

Analyst

And Kevin, I'll just add that the MCP investment that we talk about is different. So for Columbus and M.O. (34:55) we show these as net investments, they are sort of like mini P&Ls where you do have revenue that offset the investment there. For the MCP investment that we list here, that is pure investment and the revenue synergies that Robert was talking about would come through on the merchant side. And so, that is not captured in this model, but as we do start to get revenue synergies from our brands, as well as partner companies connecting to the platform, those returns would actually show up elsewhere. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: And Meredith, that's absolutely right. And the same thing goes for COGS savings as we use the platform that would not show up in this line, which show up in our COGS line. Kevin Kopelman - Cowen & Co. LLC: Great, thanks so much for the detail. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Thank you, Kevin.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Victor Anthony of Axiom Capital. Your line is open.

Victor Anthony - Axiom Capital Management, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks. Maybe could another question on shipping, wondering if there is a scenario where you think there is enough market pressure on shipping that you eventually have to reduce it to zero? That is one. And second, Robert, I know you got this question since day one of the IPO, but any interest in aggressively pursuing personalized consumer products services market similar to what Shutterfly come in the office? Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Sure, Victor. On the first question, the market certainly has shifted in terms of what customers expect to pay for shipping. And so, we want to be right in the middle of the bell curve of the market. Now, people – we found it, we're going to done much more deep research on our customers, our customers tend to be small businesses who use shipping services like DHL or UPS or whoever and they know very well the cost of shipping a product. And they would expect that we would have better cost than them. So we have to align with that. And they are – our research says our customers are perfectly willing and happy to pay a fair – what they perceive is a fair transparent price for shipping. What they don't want to do is pay something that they say is materially above the cost that they themselves can buy from this small business just because we include our processing costs in that overall amount. Now, there are companies that are going towards no shipping charges. We've tested that and we do not see that that is something we need to go to. Our pricing stays very, very value based as a holistic pricing including the product cost itself. Now that being said, in Europe for our Upload and…

Victor Anthony - Axiom Capital Management, Inc.

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Matthew Thornton of SunTrust. Your line is open, sir.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, guys. Just two quick housekeeping items. Can you remind me, the new incentive comp program, did that start day one of the quarter or I guess, when does that kind of, kick off in price? And then just secondly, cash tax, as you talked about them being up year-on-year. Was that on a tax rate basis or just an absolute dollar basis? Thanks. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah, Matt, good question. So the new incentive plan, the cash part of that really starts at the beginning of this fiscal year. We as a Dutch company cannot grant the equity portion of that until we get out of a blackout period, which we are in now. So that will start August 15th. And the $15 million number that's mentioned in our forward-looking commentary reflects that. In terms of the cash tax is, so the comment we made in our forward-looking remarks is about the dollars. And so, the way I would think about that, Matt, is we had our actual cash taxes were up year-over-year. Order of magnitude – I think – I don't have the number right in front of me, but $17 million or so. Within that we had an $8.5 million tax refund in the U.S. this year, which we would not expect to repeat. So, that will create an increase. And then the other thing is, and I'm sure in your modeling you probably captured this, but our Upload and Print businesses operate in higher rate tax jurisdictions and we will have a full year of WIRmachenDRUCK results in this next fiscal year. So that will cause our cash taxes in dollars to go up.

Matthew C. Thornton - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks so much. Sean Quinn - EVP & Chief Financial Officer: Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, there is no other questions in queue. I'd like to turn the call back to management for any closing remarks. Robert S. Keane - President & Chief Executive Officer: Well, no specific closing remarks on the quarter. But I do want to step back and talk about how we are looking to the next year, which is we continue to be very confident in the trends, we are seeing throughout the business. We are obviously investing quite a bit into this business and that's based on projects, which for the most part, we've been doing for multiple years and we have good track record on the execution of that. So, we had a great year looking to the past. We look to next year and saying, we want to continue that momentum and that building momentum, which we've had over the last, I'd say, three quarters to eight quarters. We certainly look forward to going into our plans for the next year in more detail with you in the coming week when we get to our Investor Day in New York. But, if I were to sum up how we feel about the company, it's definitely confident about the future and happy with the performance we've been putting up-to-date. So thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it and look forward to seeing many of you in New York very soon.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.