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CNA Financial Corporation (CNA)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Mon, Feb 8, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the CNA Financial Corporation Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. James Anderson. Please go ahead.

James Anderson

Management

Thank you, Katie. Good morning and welcome to CNA's discussion of our 2015 fourth quarter financial results. By now hopefully all of you have seen our earnings release, financial supplement and presentation slides. If not, you may access these documents on our website, www.cna.com. With us on this morning's call are Tom Motamed, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Craig Mense, our Chief Financial Officer. Following Tom and Craig's remarks about our quarterly results, we will open it up for your questions. Before turning it over to Tom, I would like to advise everyone that during this call there may be forward-looking statements made in references to non-GAAP financial measures any forward looking statements involve risk and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made during the call. Information concerning those risks is contained in the earnings release and in CNA’s most recent 10K and 10Q on file with SEC. In addition, the forward-looking statements speak only as of today, Monday, February 8, 2016. CNA expressly disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements made during this call. Regarding non-GAAP measures, reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures have been provided for in the financial supplement. This call is being recorded and webcast. During the next week the call may be accessed on CNA's Web site. With that, I will turn the call over to CNA's Chairman and CEO, Tom Motamed.

Tom Motamed

Chairman

Thanks you, James. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. In the fourth quarter, CNA reported a net operating loss $52 million, which was significantly affected by a reserve charge in our long term care run-off business as well as in investment accounting change. Excluding these two items, net operating income was $171 million. For the full year, CNA produced net operating income of $515 million compared with $849 million in 2014. The decrease was driven by lower investment income, primarily in our limited partnership investments and the fourth quarter long-term care charge I previously mentioned. Our capital position remains very strong and Property & Casualty income continues to be stable. As a result, we are pleased to announce a $2 per share special dividend this quarter. This is the third year in a row that we have declared a special dividend for our shareholders. This is in addition to our regular quarterly dividend of $0.25 per share. Our Property & Casualty underwriting results continue to show meaningful improvement. Our full year combined ratio of 95.4 was a 2.3 point improvement compared with the 2014 result. The underlying loss ratio improved 1 point. This marks the fifth year in a row of underlying lost ratio improvement. The expense ratio increased 1.3 points. Craig will say more about this shortly. Our combined ratio for the fourth quarter was 98.9. The quarter saw increased activity in natural catastrophes in our international business. Specialty had another strong year in a challenging market. The combined ratio of 88.7 is slightly higher than the prior year. Specialty’s combined ratio, excluding catastrophes and development was 93.6 for the year. The fourth quarter combined ratio of 95 was affected by a heightened level of loss activity primarily in the public management liability and healthcare…

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Tom. Good morning everyone. Given the number of moving pieces in this quarter’s results, I wanted to spend some time to provide you with more insight into those significant items, a Long Term Care unlocking charge, investment income and our expense ratio. Let’s start with Long Term Care. The Life & Group segment reported net operating loss of $243 million, which reflects the result of the Long Term Care claim and active life reserve reviews. Our claim reserve reviews showed actual claim severity, the combination of claim duration and benefit utilization to be favorable to our prior assumptions. However, we strengthened the frequency component of the IBNR claim reserve to better match the incident rate assumptions that were an outcome of the active life reserve reviewed. This translated to a $9 million increase in claim reserves. Now let’s move to the active life reserve review. Page 14 of our earnings presentation shows the result of our annual gross premium valuation analysis. As you can see from the exhibit, increased morbidity was the driver of the approximate $400 million change in our reserve estimates. This was driven primarily by increased claim frequency assumptions, consistent with the experienced trend we have observed over a number of recent quarters. Our discount rate, persistency and premium rate increase assumptions did not change significantly and largely offset one another. After taking into account the $100 million margin, at December 31, 2014, the indicated deficiency resulted in a $300 million pretax charge to earnings and a corresponding increase to net GAAP reserves. As a result of recognizing the deficiency, we unlocked our reserve assumptions, which were previously locked-in at the time the policies were first written. Our carried active life reserves are now based on our current best estimate assumptions with no margin. Future periodic…

Tom Motamed

Chairman

Thank you, Craig. Before we take your questions, I would like to make several closing comments. Once again, we are pleased to return excess capital to our shareholders. This is the third consecutive year of the special dividend. The combined ratio in our Property Casualty business of 95.4 in 2015 is the lowest that has been in five years. Specialty continues to be a profitable and resilient business in a challenging environment. Commercial continues to show improvement in the underlying loss ratio. Commercial retention showed considerable improvement, reflecting less churn in our existing portfolio due to underwriting actions. Finally, we continue to invest in people, technology, process and tools for the future. With that, we will take your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions]. We’ll take our first question from Josh Shanker with Deutsche Bank.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

I wanted to talk a little bit about the Long Term Care charge. To what extent was the charge the result of changing assumptions and to what extent was it the result of the new methodology or new process that you have in place?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Josh it was 100% due to changing assumptions and had to nothing to do with changing methodologies or the new reserving processes we put in place.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

So what did the new processes tell you? What did you learn?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

What did we learned, I think if you’re referring to the processes or the assumption changes. The assumption changes were driven by morbidity, really claim frequency increase, which is something that we’ve been mentioning and reporting on that we really noticed over the last five quarters. So the real driver of the reserve charge was a change to our assumption about claim frequency, which effected morbidity outcomes.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

But there was nothing incremental to learn out of the new granular approach?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, I think we have better -- it did enable us and was helpful in determining what those assumptions were and we’ve been -- because we have much more granular information really moved to away from what had been a dependence on industry and historical factors and some statutory or actuarial studies about morbidity as well as mortality and able to be much more dependent upon our own results and the trends we saw in our own results. So that’s what gave us the confidence to change, as well as gives us the confidence going forward that we’ve appropriate accounted for what we’d expect the results to be.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

And in terms of your recommendation and the Board's decision on the $2 per share special dividend, what impact did the Long Term Care charge have on those discussions? And could it have been a bigger special had the charge not occurred? Or it really was not an important part of the discussion?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

I would say that it’s -- the more accurate reflection, it was not an important part of the discussion and I think we’ve said in prior and what I would suggest going forward is that we have more than adequate capital and strength in the balance sheet and that earnings going forward is what we even look at as being available for dividend, if we didn’t have a better use for them. Essentially, we dividended more this year than almost 150% of earnings of earnings. So the reserve charge really has essentially been accounted for in the excess capital that we had accumulated over time, so therefore it became something we could exclude from our thinking and just think about the earnings excluding that reserve charge when we talk to the Board about special dividend.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

And final question, when thinking about that gap between your Property & Casualty combined ratios and best-in-class peers, it looks like the industry is having some tough pricing issues right now. And I expect, and I hope, that CNA will narrow the gap between itself and the best-in-class peers. Does that mean going forward -- do you think that there is a lot of room to improve your combined ratio or that gap will be narrowed as the pricing environment takes its toll on peers' very excellent margins? Where do you think the trend is in CNA relative to peers and where will that gap go?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

I think I’ll answer it in a couple of ways, Josh. One, if you look at the accident year loss ratios and you look at the information that we’ve shown you in the earnings presentation slides, you can see that we have consistently improved the accident year underwriting and I’d say that if you look at our very best peers, we’re still on all-in basis in our Property & Casualty total. We have narrowed the gap to probably 2 or 3 points on the loss ratio component. We actually think we’ve closed, almost completely the gap into most of our other peers, better peers on the loss ratio side. We do think that despite the ongoing, really the softening of the market relative to rates, and so we will see some margin pressure coming from turn rate and written being slightly less than trend. But remember, we are still improving our execution, improving our risk selection, improving our pricing differentiation and we expect -- and improving really our portfolio composition as we move away from poor performing business, to business where we have more confidence. So all those -- we think all of those factors will enable us to continue to show some modest level of improvement in the loss ratio over the course of 2016. On the expense side, because we -- and you know that we’ve said before we’ve been focused on improving our underwriting capability as measured by loss ratio and loss ratio competitiveness and we’ve been making, trying to be mindful of the long-term gain and making important investments in technology and other underwriting capabilities, which just meant that we now have probably another 2 or 3 point difference in the expense ratio to peers. I wouldn’t expect -- we do think that we can maintain the expense ratio where it is and as I pointed you all to looking really at the full year expense ratio, it's more representative, we think we can maintain it, that there and don’t have any current intentions of doing anything or plan to be able to reduce that margin. And we will need to turn to that at some point in time but we are not -- no near-term plans to do that.

Josh Shanker

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

And one more question if I can, typically there is not so many questions on these calls, so I will take some liberty. Before Dino comes to work for CNA, are there any risks or issues precluding ACE and Chubb employees looking for a new home from coming to CNA?

Tom Motamed

Chairman

This is Tom. There probably are some restrictions on certain people at Chubb relative to what level they were in the organization. But that’s between them and the new Chubb, that has nothing to do with us. So, I think that’s really the short answer.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Jay Cohen with Bank of America.

Jay Cohen

Analyst · Bank of America

Thanks, a couple of question. First is the higher contingent commissions. Given the higher level of profitability you have been able to achieve, is that something that will continue going forward or was there some sort of catch-up in the fourth quarter?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

That was more of a catch up effect in the fourth quarter Jay and then go forward expense issue.

Jay Cohen

Analyst · Bank of America

Got it. And then you had, I guess in the press release talked about in the call healthcare reserves adding to those from prior years, maybe it was current year. But we have had one other company talk about med mal or healthcare in general being an issue. Can you talk about what has happened there from a claim standpoint, what gave rise to that strengthening?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

So I think it's something, this is Craig, Jay, that we really started noticing back in 2011 that medical severities have been up across our healthcare book. So whether that was hospitals or nursing homes or nurses or dentists, caused by just an increasing really just, the outcome, claim severity outcome. And I think what we’ve also mentioned that over particularly the last couple of years maybe heightened sensitivity to what we thought a lot of people chasing, making it a more competitive market and to certain degree chasing yesterday’s returns in that. So healthcare has also been affected by rate declines or competitive pressures over that time. But as to the losses it's really medical severity and it's pretty much across the -- has been across the book of business, and we think we’ve reacted appropriate to it in terms of our underwriting posture as well as how we’ve set current loss ratios and reserves.

Jay Cohen

Analyst · Bank of America

Got it. And then lastly, you had talked about some large loss activity, I think it was certainly in the international side, maybe in specialty as well. Is that something you can quantify? In other words, the type of large loss activity you saw this quarter relative to what you would normally expect to see?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Well, it was -- I don’t know if I can quantify it for you. Well, I can quantify it in terms of what the impact was on the specialty loss ratio. So, we had seen a heightened level of losses in the public D&O book, and as we said in our healthcare book. So it going to by definition, losses in public D&O were large, so we just keep seeing increase of really frequency of large losses across our D&O and the other. So, that caused us to both add to prior year reserves and specialty. Now those were offset by other good news, so we didn’t have any adverse development, especially. But it did caused us to increase the full year specialty loss ratio by just a little less than 0.5 point. And then that is reflected in, as you understand, when you do a re-estimation fourth quarter, do fourth quarters of catch up, so it elevated the specialty loss ratio this quarter by little over 1.5 points.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Jeff Schmidt with William Blair.

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

A question about the limited partnership investments. It sounds like maybe 65% or 70% are in hedge funds. Is that -- pretty much all of that mark-to-market immediately? I am trying to get a sense on how much of the total portfolio has a lag in the mark-to-market.

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

You’re correct and it's about 70% of that limited partnership portfolio, are hedge funds, and it's about the same amount that is current mark-to-market.

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

And is the remaining amount more -- is it basically private equity funds?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Its private equity and some real estate.

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

And in there may be a lag there?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

There is a -- the longest lag you would see is three months and that’s only about 15% of that portfolio, the other is just a month lag. But I think you should -- I would encourage you to view those LB [ph] results, as very much a market impact timing.

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

That’s helpful and could you maybe discuss some of the loss trends in some of your key lines like workers' comp and professional liability?

Tom Motamed

Chairman

Could you speak up, we couldn’t hear that question?

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

Could you discuss some of the loss trends in some of your key lines like workers' comp and professional liability?

Tom Motamed

Chairman

Workers' comp I think the loss trends are improving, it's getting better. And if we look at pricing, we’ve had the benefit of some good rate increases in workers’ comp over the past few years. It's slightly negative on the rate side, but loss trends are improving. Part of that is also due to the mix. We’re writing more white-collar work comp and getting out of the industrial or blue collar typical work comp, which tends to have more catastrophic claims. So, yes, moving in the right direction in work comp. What was the other line you asked about?

Jeff Schmidt

Analyst · William Blair

Professional liability?

Tom Motamed

Chairman

As Craig mentioned, public D&O, you right pretty big limits and many of these losses follow limit. So, we just had a situation that we had a couple of them in the fourth quarter, that’s the nature of that business, it's lumpy, but I would not say it’s a trend that’s really effecting the whole portfolio.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ron Bobman with Capital Returns.

Ron Bobman

Analyst · Capital Returns

I had a question -- Craig, you mentioned briefly in some of the LTC actions, something to the effect that limiting or stopping the addition of new lives or new accounts moving into the closed block. And I didn't understand what you meant by that, if I am close to sort of repeating what you said.

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Yes you are, what I said and hopefully is not more confusing, we closed the group business to new customer, meaning sponsoring company entrance a long time ago, but we have allowed new employees of the existing groups to continue to buy coverage. So that meant that the number of lives in the group businesses is remained relatively stable over the last 10 years. So the action that we've taken over the last year is to really go back through all of those group sponsors and as effective February 1st of this year, we've closed that book to any new entrants. So then our -- that book just kind of naturally declined over time. So if you're new employee of one our sponsoring organizations you can no longer buy group Long Term Care.

Ron Bobman

Analyst · Capital Returns

Got you, okay, thanks. And so then is it sort of safe to assume that you are writing no new Long Term Care group or individual?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

That's correct.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Bob Glasspiegel with Janney.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

Statutory earnings for 2015 and likely dividend capabilities for 2016?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Statuary earnings were little north of 1 billion, so 1.1 billion. So dividend capacity would be approximately 10% would be that or 10% of stat surplus which is let's say 10.7 billion. And then you understand the calculation is kind of a running calculation, less whatever amount of dividend you've made over the prior 12 months.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

Right. Given that your overall risks seem to be shrinking in 2016, there is no reason why you wouldn't have the capability to take that if you wanted to. Is that a valid assumption?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

That's correct and then I think you should think of it, our dividend capacity is over the course of the whole 12 months as being roughly equal to that earnings or 10% of surplus.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

Right. Your partnerships didn't return quite as much as I had modeled in light of where the markets were. Were there any impairments notably that held back real estate maybe or --?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

No, not at all Bob, so there are no impairments or nothing unusual in the partnership, that’s just to reflecting of the market. And remember that the way we’ve constructed that portfolio is to give us, what we presume to be or intend to be better returns, but less volatile returns than what you see in the S&P, so when you have a big spike up in S&P we get immediate response, but if you look at over the course of the full year our LT [ph] returns were 3% which is twice what the S&P 500 index would have performed. So it just reflection of the responsiveness and immediacy of the ration to S&P. We're not -- remember that we have a bit of long equity bias but it's not just a long equity portfolio.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

And just the choppiness of the last -- I asked Loews this question as well, but the choppiness of the first quarter, does that make you want to increase your commitments, decrease or you are just staying the course in a very choppy market than change how you think about things?

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Well, I think actually if you -- that's a good question, and if you -- once you dig into our published material you'll notice that we've actually taken money off the table and the LPs reacted given our outlook for the market. It reduced our -- we reduced our allocation, so that asset class and likely to continue perhaps reduced it further as we're going to forward.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

So the weakness -- got you.

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

No I think we, so --.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

No, I meant this quarter, no, no that was a great sale before.

Craig Mense

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Bob Glasspiegel

Analyst · Janney

Appreciate the answers. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no additional questions in the queue. I would like to turn it back to over to management for any additional or closing remarks.

Tom Motamed

Chairman

Thank you very much. See you next quarter.