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Cohu, Inc. (COHU)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 16, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Cohu Incorporated Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2017 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Jeff Jones, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you, Mr. Jones. You may begin.

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Good afternoon, and welcome, to our discussion of Cohu’s most recent financial results. I’m joined today by our President and CEO, Luis Müller. Following our opening remarks, we’ll provide details of our performance for the fourth quarter and the full-year 2017 as well as our outlook for the first quarter of 2018. If you need a copy of our earnings release, you may obtain one from our website, cohu.com, or by contacting Cohu Investor Relations. Before we begin, you should all be aware that during the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements reflecting management’s current expectations concerning the Company’s future business. These statements are based on current information that we have assessed, but which by its nature, is subject to rapid and even abrupt changes. Forward-looking statements include our comments regarding growth and market share expansion through our PANTHER and Solstice products, specific share gains goals, increased test contactor sales, first half 2018 sales growth, our Cohu500 mid-term model and associated goals, revenue recognition on increasing Korean customer sales, future results, including Q1 guidance, and any other comments we make about the Company’s future in response to your questions. We encourage you to review the forward-looking statements section of the earnings release as well as Cohu’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the most recently filed Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. Our comments speak only as of today, February 15, 2018, and Cohu assumes no obligation to update these statements as a result of developments occurring after this call. Further, our comments and responses to any questions will not make reference to any specific customers, as we are precluded from disclosing such information by our nondisclosure agreements. Finally, during the call today, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our…

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Cohu’s Q4 was in line with our expectations, as we generated non-GAAP operating and adjusted EBITDA margins of 11.2% and 12.9%, respectively on sales of $84.1 million. Full-year 2017 operating and adjusted EBITDA margins were 14.4% and 15.8%, respectively, on record sales of $352.7 million. Non-GAAP gross margin for 2017 was 41.2% that’s up 560 basis points from 35.6% in 2016. We generated $39 million of cash from operations in 2017, contributing to an increase of approximately $28 million in our cash balance, net of $12 million used to acquire Kita manufacturing and ended the year with cash of approximately $156 million. Our contactor business was 11% of sales for both the quarter and the year. For Q4, the GAAP to non-GAAP adjustments include approximately $1.7 million of stock-based compensation expense, $1 million of purchased intangible amortization expense, $1.2 million of costs related to the reduction of the tax indemnification receivable recorded in connection with the Ismeca acquisition in Q1 of 2013, $797,000 of other acquisition related costs, primarily related to the valuation earn-out from Kita, and $2 million related to the impact of U.S. tax reform. My comments that follow including the Q1 guidance are all based on Cohu’s non-GAAP results, which exclude the impact of these items. Sales for the quarter were $84.1 million, consistent with our guidance of approximately $84 million, and reflecting expected seasonality. Two customers in Q4, each exceeded 10% of sales, one customer in the automotive market represented approximately 13% of sales, and one customer in the computing market represented 15% of sales. For the full-year, one customer in the automotive market represented approximately 16% of sales and one customer in the computing market represented 11% of sales. Q4 gross margin was 41.9% and above our guidance, primarily due to product mix including higher…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Edwin Mok of Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

First, I want to understand the broadened focus on the technical and financing timing. I want to understand like this 10% growth in the first half of ‘18. With this quarter being flattish sequentially, if I do my math correctly, your second quarter is going to have a pretty decent growth rate year over year sort of sequentially. Is it just the timing of shipment more back in the June or is it revenue recognition that caused delay into June quarter?

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Yes. It’s more about the timing of the shipments. There is also an aspect of revenue recognition. But, I would say, the primary driver is the timing of the shipments and then, secondarily revenue recognition.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

And then, if I look at your backlog, there is pretty big message, over $100 million [ph] exiting last year. Right? How much of that will be shipped in this first half or is that the way to think about it just roughly half in the first half? What was it in the first half? Maybe give some color on the backlog.

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Yes. Most of it will be shipped in the first half. We do have some that extends out into Q3 and Q4, but 80% to 85% of that will ship in the first half of the year.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

And then, maybe, can you maybe provide some color on the European auto customer win, you guys talk about can qualify there. Anyway you can kind of size that opportunity and what type of products you want there would be helpful? Luis Müller: As we announced here, what we did capture was business for our MATRiX pick-and-place handler, which is the most commonly used product today in the industry for automotive device test; in conjunction with we also captured business for our multi-bean test contactors that go with that pick and place handler. As far as the size of the opportunity, it’s part of that 1 to 3 points market share gain that we have projected for 2018 along with the Korean customer that we are still working on in getting a new product acceptance.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

And then, on the inspection side, just a quick question in terms of -- you guys provide some comment around that. Just want to kind of understand the progress there. It’s a pretty sizeable market, you guys are coming still with a relatively small share in that space. How do you see cadence of that growth? Is that just block and tackle or do you see some opportunities with more sizeable contract or award once you win certain customer in the ‘18, you can help provide some color on that? Luis Müller: Well, that market, as we’ve said before is about a 140, $150 million for package inception. We are participating today in the space via our turret handlers, in fact to the tune of about a little over $20 million a year in sales. And that is more narrowly focused on small packages, small devices. And so, the efforts that we have here are to develop solutions that expand the field of view for larger perhaps more digital in nature semiconductors as well as solving some of the challenges that people have today, that customers have today such as the one we did last year with the Aquilae module that we are currently shipping with our turret handler. So, there will be sort of a steady progression into that market; that’s how we project it today.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

OpEx, I notice non-GAAP OpEx went up quite a bit this quarter and you guide that fourth to go up a notch. Anyway you can talk about how you think for OpEx? Well, first, what happened in the fourth quarter, is it just this investment you talked about? And then, long-term, is there a way to think about how much you think you’ll grow your OpEx?

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Okay. In Q4, Edwin, it was mainly driven by the support of a large Korean customer that we talked about, from a product development standpoint but also sort of an onsite support perspective as well. So, when we look at Q2, we’re expecting OpEx to be closer to the Q4 late, it’s about $25 million a quarter. So, expect that beginning in Q2, for Q3 and Q4 as well. For R&D, we’re modeling base line cost to be about what where they were in Q4, likely to grow little bit with revenue as we develop some of these new products in line with the plan that Luis articulated. But on a full year basis, we’re expecting R&D to be approximately 12% of sales. And then, for SG&A, that’s a base line there, quarterly base line of about 13 to $14 million. And again that will grow -- sales grow but the rate of growth there is about 1% for every $3 million increase in sales. For the year, we’re looking at SG&A in the 13% to 15% of sales range. Luis Müller: Just going to add here to what Jeff stated. The momentary increase in R&D spending for this Korean customer, it’s actually to some degree -- we’re happy to see the activity picking up earlier than we had originally anticipated for 2018. Obviously, adds more stress to the organization but the pulling up of the opportunity has been a very good thing for our projection here for the first half of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question.

David Duley

Analyst · David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question

I think you mentioned it guys, but could you remind us -- could you say that you thought the handler market would grow 8% or what was the number that you used? Luis Müller: What I said is that, we expect the combined handler contactor market to grow about mid single digit in 2018.

David Duley

Analyst · David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question

And I guess I’ve seen projections of overall unit volumes of semiconductor growing in the 9% or 10% range and it seems like you’re forecasting a lower growth rate than that. Are you just being conservative or do you think the growth rate isn’t going to be that high, as far as units go? Help me understand how you came to that mid single digit kind of projection. Luis Müller: David, the way we do it is, we poll our customers for a projection for the year. And sort of the collective information we get, shows, I guess that about mid single digit growth in the market for 2018. And along with the, we plan our 1 to 3 points of share gain ahead -- for that market growth and that’s essentially how we derive our projections for this coming year.

David Duley

Analyst · David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And as far as your 1% to 3% market share gains, help us understand where you thought the overall handler market was in 2017 as far as size goes and what the size of the contactor market was last year as well? Luis Müller: We don’t have -- we have not yet compiled the full data set for 2017. But, I’ll tell you, preliminarily that we believe the market was about $870 million, $880 million for handlers in 2017, and probably on the order of $720 million for contactors.

David Duley

Analyst · David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question

And as far as -- could you help me understand -- you have mentioned this new Korean customer a couple of different times. What sort of application will you be addressing with that customer? And then, I think you mentioned a foundry win. Could you help us understand what that application is as well? Luis Müller: The initial application in this Korean customer is for small power management semiconductors. These are used in mobile products and I believe also in consumer products, general consumer products. But, those applications are going to be expanding over time. So that’s just a starting point. As far as the foundry customer, that is a computing application, high-end processor application, which we forecast to pick up volume towards the second half or sort of beginning of the second half of this year.

David Duley

Analyst · David Duley of Steelhead. Please proceed with your question

Is that driven by transition to 7 nanometers or 10 nanometers, something like that, or is there some sort of tie to the end market as far as technology transition goes? Luis Müller: No, I don’t believe this one is tied to -- this one in particular, I don’t believe it’s tied to a no transition. More so, the complexity of the device that we have captured, but I don’t think so much driven by no transition on this particular case.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Peter Peng

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

This is actually Peter Peng calling for Crain Ellis. And thanks for taking our question. Can you give us the primary gives and takes as you think about the business on a sequential basis, on end market basis? Luis Müller: So, we have had a very strong -- I think, I would say, a very strong end market in the fourth quarter across all segments I would say, with the exception of the solid-state lighting or led segment that I would say, was weaker than expected in the fourth quarter. But, the other markets have been very strong. And now, getting into Q1, continue to see strength across all those same markets, so much so that as I stated, we are looking at again a book to bill of about 1 for the fourth quarter and the momentum -- sorry, for the first quarter, and momentum continues from last quarter.

Peter Peng

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

And it seems like there is some high bandwidth memory ramping up. Can you talk about Cohu’s participation in that market? Luis Müller: Cohu is not really participating in the memory market today. We have some applications on high-performance memory but that is -- that’s fairly limited in size and scope, and not really a substantial portion of our revenue today.

Peter Peng

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

And on the contactor business, it seems like that business declined kind of in line with the general handler business. Can you kind of talk about that business and the seasonality, and what do you expect in the first quarter? Luis Müller: Well, that business has -- let me just start there. That business actually grew 131% year-on-year, but obviously within that there has been an acquisition, as you know of Kita in Japan. Kita has achieved the growth objectives for 2017. And organically, post-acquisition, the whole business has grown a little over 20%, year-over-year. On a seasonality basis, we do tend to see a lower consumption of pins, spare pins in the fourth quarter, and then, again, a pick up in the balance -- for the balance of the year, the first three quarters of the year. So, that’s the seasonal pattern that we have observed. But, with that said, we continue to see growth in the business, new design wins, opportunities, new product launches, and continue to model a 20% organic growth rate for 2018 for the total contactor business that we run.

Peter Peng

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

And on the gross margin, it seems like it’s ticked up. Is that due to new product or is that just the Osaka plant ramping up to contactor sales?

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

Peter, it’s a combination of things. First, it’s leveraging more out of our Malaysia operation and so providing a lower fixed cost or lower product cost. And part of it does have to do with mix as well. So, contactors is a contributor to that increase in margin. And as we look forward to 2018, we’ll see new products that we’ve talked about also contributing to expansion of gross margin.

Peter Peng

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

And one question before I hop back into the queue. That $1.3 million in deferred revenue, is that revrec in second quarter, is it going to be below the line, how should we think about that?

Jeff Jones

Analyst · Craig Ellis of B. Riley and Company. Please proceed with your question

As I stated, it will not go through the income statement. So, we’ll not have the opportunity to recognize that as revenue or profits in 2018. We’ll make an adjustment in Q1 to take the deferred revenue, deferred profit off of our balance sheet -- or excuse me, take the deferred revenue and deferred profit and move it into equity, straight into equity. So, again, we won’t benefit in 2018 on the income statement or EPS from that $1.3 million.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Ho of Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Patrick Ho

Analyst · Patrick Ho of Stifel. Please proceed with your question

Luis, first off, in terms of the PANTHER and Solstice products, in terms of revenue recognition and the ability to recognize revenues this year, are you going to set any targets for this year? And what are I guess some of the final I guess hurdles you need to get through to get the revenue recognition on the systems you have out on the field? Luis Müller: So, taking one at a time here. For Solstice, we have already recognized a couple of units. I have to go back and look. I think, it was in the third quarter of last year when we had our first revenue recognition for Solstice. For PANTHER, we do have revenues from PANTHER included in our Q1 guidance. And as far as the full year, we’re not going to be giving product-specific revenue targets for the year. But, they’re definitely included in what we’re modeling for 2018, including the growth for the first half of this year relative to first half of last year, of about 10%.

Patrick Ho

Analyst · Patrick Ho of Stifel. Please proceed with your question

And my follow-up question in terms of the contactor business, I think one of the things you mentioned when you acquired Kita was the leverage your handler business and even your own emerging contactor business to provide that, the Kita business. How much of it from a customer perspective have you seen that pull to date, and is that the biggest driver of growth for the Kita solutions, as we look at 2018 as a whole? Luis Müller: Yes. To start from the end here, the answer is yes. And we are seeing very attractive opportunities at our customer base for handlers, particularly pick-and-place handlers because the Kita pins are predominantly used on digital, some mixed signal applications that go in our pick-and-place products. And more specifically, we’re seeing very good evidence of the thermal requirements in test at the interface layer where the contactors are going. And, we have solutions and products coming out specifically on that front that have been already qualified at one of our major customers that we’re working to promote and get on the floor at some of the other customers. That really ties very nicely the contactor thermal performance with the handler thermal performance, as an augmented solution for, like I said, for our digital mixed signal customers. So, yes this is a very good tie between the Kita and contactors that we build surrounding that with our own pick-and-place handler customers.

Operator

Operator

We have a follow-up question from the line of Edwin Mok of Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Edwin Mok of Needham & Company, LLC. Please proceed with your question

Hi, guys. So, just a quick follow-up here. For the year, I think, you guys talk about -- you expect the market to grow mid single digit in Asian and you expect to outperform market by 1 to 2 points. So, that would imply you expect the business to grow about high single digit, if you will. Is that a fair way to think about it or am I missing there? I just wanted to understand that. And with the first half growing at 10%, does that mean that second half will see some slower growth there? Just trying to understand that. Luis Müller: Yes. Just one quick correction. I mean, you said 1 to 2 points share gains. We’re actually modeling 1 to 3 points share gain on each of the markets. Frankly, just given our sheer size in handlers, it’s more likely that handlers will be towards the high end of that target, meaning towards the 3 points share gains on the total market. And from a contactor perspective, simply by the fact that our size in the contactor market today, we are looking at about 1 point share gain, which would represent about 20% organic growth. They are also correct about the projected growth for the first half of the year of about 10% relative to last year. No, we are not reporting any number out today for the second half of the year. We are not prepared to do that today, Edwin.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions over the audio portion of the conference. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Jeff Jones for concluding comments.