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Coty Inc. (COTY)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 13, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Danielle, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Coty's Fiscal 2015 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, August 13. I will now like to turn the call over to Kevin Monaco, Coty's Senior Vice President, Treasurer and Investor Relations. Mr. Monaco, please go ahead. Kevin Monaco - Treasurer, Senior VP & Head-Investor Relations: Good morning and thank you for joining us. On today's call are Bart Becht, Chairman and Interim CEO and Patrice de Talhouët, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that many of our comments may contain forward-looking statements. Please refer to our press release and reports filed with the SEC where you will find factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements. All discussions of net revenues are on a like-for-like basis. In addition, except where noted, the discussion of our financial results and our expectations do not reflect certain non-recurring and other charges. You can find the bridge from reported to adjusted results in the reconciliation table in the earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Bart. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, Kevin, and welcome, everybody to Coty's fourth quarter and full year conference call. This morning, we'll take you through a summary of today's announcement, and then Patrice and I will be pleased to take your questions. 2015 was a good year, and Q4 results were equally encouraging.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our first question comes from Isabel Schmitz (sic) [Bill Schmitz] from Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

It's actually Bill Schmitz. I don't know where Isabel came from. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Good morning, Bill.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning, guys. One housekeeping question and just a question on the acquisition. Can you tell us what the savings are to-date from the program? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Sorry, can you say that again?

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

The savings to-date for the restructuring program. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: On the Global Efficiency Program, it's $105 million and we have achieved $25 million last year. So that would be $130 million year-to-date, which is roughly halfway on the overall savings target of $270 million.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then can we just have an update on the acquisition sort of how the license discussion – the fragrance license discussions are progressing, any further color, any potential divestitures? And then kind of as you look at the channel inventory like the quality and quantity of kind of what's in the channel right now, especially at some of the wholesalers and diverters? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Well, I can give you an update on that. So we have visited all bar one of the licensors. I would say the initial discussions are very positive, but it is still very early days. So we need to have further discussions and ultimately, clearly we need to have pieces of paper signed for the transfer of all the licenses. So it's early days. But so far, I would say the discussions are very encouraging. In terms of the quality of the businesses, there is nothing really to discuss for the time being. And also, we're not at liberty to discuss anything because, clearly P&G is a public company and this is part of their business until the deal is closed. So I can't really comment on that. But I would say overall as Patrice already has outlined, there are teams basically on both sides. They're working very cooperatively together in terms of getting the deal closed and getting the business integrated. It's very early days, but the projects have been kicked off on the right footing.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. I appreciate the commentary. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from Olivia Tong from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Olivia Tong - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you. First, with Procter, what are you guys discussing during meetings and like who is involved on both sides? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So there is a very large group of people involved on both sides. Right now, we are literally having hundreds of people basically involved in both including the transaction and integrating the business. So there are transition teams on both sides. The transition teams are very much focused on closing the transaction, so that's everything from transfer of licenses to antitrust filings to financing, legal and tax issues. And then there is a post-merger integration team, which works clearly with people from both sides in terms of actually integrating the business, so which is everything from organizational structure, staffing, culture for the new company, ways of working, as well as IS, supply integration, so all the physical aspects of the deal. But like I said, this whole process has just been kicked off. So it's still very early days. But all I can say is that it's been a very constructive process on both sides.

Olivia Tong - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Thanks. Have you guys identified the key members of management on the Procter side yet, who will be coming over with the deal? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So from a organizational structure and staffing point of view, that's just been kicked off and the executive team should be selected in the next couple of months. I mean that goes beyond just the executive committee, including basically people which are reporting below that.

Olivia Tong - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Got it. Thanks. And then just on sales, you guys talked a lot last quarter about starting to build the reinvestment into your power brands and now that you've realized a lot of those significant cost savings. But you also mentioned that it would take time and you reiterated that again today. So relative to your own expectations, was flat organic sales for this quarter in line with your expectations? And can you give a little bit more parameters around quote-unquote taking time? Because I'm just curious also how much you've started to already push the incremental spend and how that's going to build and what ultimately you think you can grow at long term? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. I think it will be a very gradual process in terms of building top line growth momentum. I don't think it will be a rapid acceleration from where we are today for a variety of reasons. It takes a long time in the beauty industry to build momentum in general because it requires basically an extensive pipeline of the right innovations and initiatives that go into the market. And at the same time, as you well know, we still have a drag basically from a legacy celebrity fragrance business, which is a drag basically on the growth of the total company. So I do think it will take time. The market growth the company is exposed to is somewhere around 2% since we're mostly an established-markets business. In terms of selling, in terms of segments in countries we're exposed to, market growth rate is slightly ahead of 2%. And clearly we need to be, at some point in time, to grow at least in line with the market, but it will take time. So I would say that's the ultimate target where we want to be is to be at least in line with the market, if not ahead of that. But it will take time to get there. I would say on the other side, from a profit point of view, so from a top line point of view, I think it is going to take longer than I originally anticipated. From a bottom line point of view, we are well ahead of where I thought we would be originally. And I can see a continued very strong momentum from a bottom line point of view going forward.

Olivia Tong - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Got it. And then just lastly on the launch, as you mentioned, Miu Miu at the end of Q1. But could you give us a little bit more detail on some of the other big launches? Because I'm just looking at the Q1 comp and that's particularly tough this year. So it sounds like while you expect modest growth for the year, perhaps you're not necessarily expecting "modest" growth every quarter of this year. Thanks. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: That's correct. Q1 will be one of the tougher comparisons because we had a big Calvin Klein launch last year, which clearly meant we had substantial pipeline fill last year in the first quarter, which we'll be indexing against. So, now, Miu Miu will be a good launch in my mind, but it is not all hitting in the first quarter. It's beginning as the quarter evolves. And the other big launch, which will be there, which is Decadence, is really happening at the very end of the first quarter. So, you're absolutely correct. We're looking for very modest growth for the full year, but Q1 will be a bit more of a challenge.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Chris Ferrara from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Christopher Ferrara - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Hey. Thanks, guys. Obviously very good gross margin expansion this quarter. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about how discounted allowance has played in. Obviously, you guys have talked about that as an initiative, the ability to roll that back and not lose volume growth, I guess, particularly in Fragrance. So, if you could talk a little bit about that, that'd be great? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. In terms of – so we had positive price mix impact in the fourth quarter, which clearly indicates that we are gradually starting to improve in this area. Having said that, we need to see both good volume momentum and good price mix momentum. And so far, we've not really been able to combine the two in every single quarter and we need to be able to do that consistently. So, we are making some progress on the discounts and allowances front. We need to make progress on both volume and discount and allowances front going forward. So, there's still work to be done in this area.

Christopher Ferrara - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

But, I guess, following up, are there specific places, specific brands, specific businesses where you are or you have been able to combine both where you weren't before? Not ones where you've been able to do it for a while, particularly strong place in your business, but areas where you have shown progress would be great. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Where we have a very good result is in the Color area where for the full year last year we had both a good volume momentum and very good price/mix momentum. So there we clearly have been able to achieve it. So, I would say that's the highlight. In terms of the Fragrance area, it's still an area where we need to improve from a discount and allowances point of view as well as on the Body Care. Skin Care is not really an issue, either. So, the challenge for us is really is in Fragrance and is in Body Care.

Christopher Ferrara - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

And just along the lines of your expectation for a little bit, for building cadence of growth. Do you guys think that Fragrance will grow on a like-for-like basis for the year in 2016? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: I'm not going to make any commitments on that at this stage of the game. So, we have some clear plans in place. But like I said, we're looking for a very gradual shift from a top line point of view for the total company largely driven by power brands. But beyond that, I'm not making any comments.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from Steph Wissink from Piper Jaffray. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Stephanie Schiller Wissink - Piper Jaffray & Co (Broker): Thank you. Good morning, everyone. We have two questions. Just the first with respect to the legacy celebrity fragrances business that you referenced earlier. Can you talk a little bit about that contract cycle? Is there any opportunity in the next few years should you retire or exit some of those legacy fragrances that are no longer relevant to the portfolio? And then, separately, with respect to the Color Cosmetics business, are you willing just to give us any more detail behind the makeup versus the nail care side, just looking at those two sub-categories, can you talk a little bit about the performance there? Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. In terms of celebrity fragrances, this was a segment within the category which was very popular a number of years ago, and which has kind of seen its hay day and now is not very much in vogue either with consumer or with the trade. And as a result, we are seeing a gradual erosion basically of this business. It's a highly profitable business because the investments are not always huge in this area. So, it would be very difficult to divest it and to make sense out of it for shareholders. So, it is better to keep it than to divest it. Your second point in terms of the Color Cosmetics category that category is doing very, very well both on the nail as well as on the general Color Cosmetics side. Clearly, the big brands in this area are Sally Hansen, OPI and Rimmel. We've seen basically OPI basically doing very well despite the fact that we've taken out from wholesale business; Sally Hansen clearly is on fire, as I already alluded to; and Rimmel is also gaining share across the globe. So I would say this business overall is doing very, very well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Mark Astrachan from Stifel. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Mark S. Astrachan - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Thanks and good morning everybody. Bart, had a couple of sort of pointed questions, so sort of apologies how it'll come out. But you lost a number of key executives in recent months, some four fairly substantial executives by my count. I guess I'm curious why it is timing-wise ahead of what seems like a fairly exciting time in the history of the company. And then sort of what are your plans for moving forward with increasing the bench strength? And I guess sort of related to that, has the combining of the prestige and mass businesses impacted the ability to attract or retain talent? And so how do you think about all of that? I realize there's a lot of moving parts there. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So I would say we are in a process of transforming the business and that includes basically transforming the capabilities of the company and that at times might involve changing the management team. And so I would really look in this regard more towards what will happen going forward with the merger with Procter. We are looking very much forward to combining the business, the Coty business with the Procter business, and to strengthen the overall capabilities and the management team of the combined entity. And I think there is a wealth of talent on both sides which should allow us to do that. So I think basically going forward, you should expect to see a very strong management team on the combined entity. That's certainly my target. Mark S. Astrachan - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: So as you think about it going forward, it sounds then like it's more promote from within including folks coming over from the Procter side as opposed to potentially looking externally? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: No. I will never have 100% internal basically movement. We will also attract some talent from outside still. So as you think about the combined entity, yes, the bulk clearly will come from the Procter and the Coty side, but there might, we might complement it with a number of candidates from outside. As I'm interim CEO and at some point in time, I will basically move back into my Chairman position, I want to make sure that this business is in tip-top shape and my first priority therefore is to make sure that I have a very strong management team in place that can manage the combined entity. And as you can imagine, that's my number one priority over the next couple of months, is to make sure we get there. Mark S. Astrachan - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Great. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Javier Escalante from Consumer Edge Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Javier Escalante - Consumer Edge Research LLC

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

Good morning everyone. My question has to do with the cadence of savings versus investment. I understand that the reinvestment to provide top line growth is going to be slower, but you got to prepare for a merger that is going to double the size of the company in a year. So, when the investment for the staffing and the capabilities that you need to build is going to happen so that the company is ready to accommodate the Procter business within a year, is that investment coming out of fiscal 2016 numbers? How you're going to basically work that out? Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Patrice? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Yes, Bart. So, Javier, thanks for the questions. So, the way that we think about that, as I've said already in the July call is, when we announced the P&G merger, is really the first year is going to be an investment year. So when you think about it, fiscal 2017, provided that we close in fiscal 2016, fiscal 2017 is going to be a year of investments. So, this is where we're going to start to build the capabilities. We need to make a couple of upfront investments in many different areas, IT is one of them, capabilities is another one. I have quoted a couple of example, like the hair care business, we need to step up on that one. In terms of North America, we are getting a mass business without the demand capabilities to be able to support it because these are the corporate sales force from P&G that are coming with the transaction. So, we need to build these capabilities. So, I think the way you should look at it is that as far as the Global Efficiency Plan, we are planning to reinvest gradually this in order to start to regain momentum of the top line. As far as the pro forma Coty is concerned and the integration of the P&G Business is concerned, the way you should look at it is that fiscal 2017 will be a year of investments. And then fiscal 2018 and 2019 will be years where you will see all the savings coming through. And it's worth noting that the $400 million out of the $550 million, the first $400 million are going to materialize immediately at closing because these are costs that are not transferred. So, when I speak about investment, I'm more referring to the $150 million of net savings, which is composed of two legs. First, the investment in year one. Second, year two and year three, some savings, and the net of these two are $150 million.

Javier Escalante - Consumer Edge Research LLC

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead

But as a follow-up, if I'm understanding this correctly, basically, during fiscal 2016, you are now going to be making accommodations in terms of preparing the IT, capability and the staffing to get ready for the mergers. So, actually, Coty will be running at this through fiscal 2016 and fiscal 2017 is when all the investment and recruitment that essentially represent $400 million in cost for Procter is going to take place? And if you can help us understand what is, in your view, if Procter spend $400 million to run this business, what is the amount that you think you can run it with? $100 million, $50 million, what is that investment? If you can quantify that investment for us, that would be very helpful. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: So, I think great questions. So, in terms of, when we spoke about the one-time cost which is $900 million to be able to step up the organization, there is $400 million of CapEx. Some of these CapEx – and there is more to come because we need – we are in the process of meeting with the transition team, formalizing everything, but some of these CapEx will happen in fiscal 2016 because if you think about it just from an IT standpoint, we need to start to prepare ourselves to be able to support a $10 billion business. So, we are not going to start this in fiscal 2017. And also, the way you should think about that is that we have – we are going to close in the middle of the calendar year, fiscal 2016, plus or minus one quarter, depending on the regulatory issues. And we have some limited duration for the TSA. So we need to make sure that we are ready to operate as soon as closing. So I think from a CapEx standpoint, we are going to incur some of the costs in fiscal 2016. It's the same for the one-time cost, sort of the other $500 million, in terms of prepare the organization, and especially if you think about the North American organization, support the mass business coming from Procter, we will need to build the capabilities beforehand. So now, in terms of the latter part of the question, I think it's a little bit too early to be able to answer that. I think more to come. In the coming earnings, we will be able to give you a little bit more color and precision and granularity on the phasing of the savings.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Okay.

Operator

Operator

Sir, I'm not showing any questions at this time. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Okay.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Okay. Well, thank you, all for attending the call. And hope to basically talk to you in about three months time. Thank you. Bye-bye.