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Cooper-Standard Holdings Inc. (CPS)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 15, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Cooper-Standard, Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2018 Earnings Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen-only mode. Following Company prepared comments, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and the webcast will be available for replay later today. I would now like to turn the call over to Roger Hendriksen, Director of Investor Relations.

Roger Hendriksen

Analyst

Thanks Chelsea and good morning everyone. We appreciate your continued interest in Cooper-Standard and we thank you for taking the time to participate in our call today. The members of our leadership team who will be speaking with you on the call this morning are Jeff Edwards, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Jon Banas, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I need to remind you that this presentation contains forward-looking statements. While they are made based on current factual information and certain assumptions and plans that management currently believes to be reasonable, these statements do involve risks and uncertainties. For more information on forward-looking statements, we ask that you refer to Slide 3 of this presentation and the Company’s statements included in periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. This presentation also contains non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the appendix to this presentation. With that said, I’ll turn the call over to Jeff Edwards.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thanks, Roger, and good morning, everyone. I’d like to begin on Slide 5 with a high level overview of 2018. Following these initial comments, Jon will review the financial data of the fourth quarter and full year in more detail, and then I’ll come back and share our progress on the company’s strategic priorities. In 2018, based on the geopolitical and vehicle volume and mix dynamics around the world, our results fell short of expectations. The global team worked to offset these factors as much as possible with increases in operating efficiency and lean initiatives that yielded $80 million in operating cost reductions as well as significantly lower SGA&E expense. In addition, our continued focus on workplace safety resulted in 28 of our facilities achieving perfect safety performance with zero reported incidents for the year. These metrics are even more meaningful given that we launched a record 196 new programs in the year and that was an increase of 16% over 2017. Our superior products, innovative technologies, and high-level of customer satisfaction continued to drive new orders. For the full-year 2018, we booked over $440 million in net new business awards, which is a strong indicator of our future growth. Notably, sales awards related to our new innovative product offerings totaled $287 million for the year, and that’s up 30% compared to 2017. This shows that our customers are valuing the technology we are bringing to the market, which is creating substantial competitive advantage and margin expansion opportunities going forward. Overall, even though our results in the second half of the year were weighed down by challenging economic and market conditions, we continued to perform well in 2018 in the areas of our business that we can directly control and we made considerable progress in the execution of our long-term strategy for profitable growth. Now let me turn the call over to Jon.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. In the next few slides, I’ll provide some additional detail on our quarterly and full year financial results and put some context around some of the key items that impacted our earnings. On Slide 7, we show a summary of our results for the fourth quarter and full year 2018 with comparison to the prior year. The year-over-year comparisons were challenging given the record quarter we had for both sales and EBITDA achievement in the fourth quarter of 2017. Fourth quarter 2018 sales were $872 million, down 7% versus the fourth quarter of last year. The year-over-year change was driven by unfavorable volume and mix, foreign exchange, and customer price adjustments partially offset by acquisitions. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $76.4 million or 8.8% of sales compared to $131 million or 14% of sales in the fourth quarter of 2017. The change was a result of unfavorable volume mix in all regions, customer price adjustments, higher raw material costs and general inflation, partially offset by improved operating efficiency and restructuring and other cost saving initiatives implemented during the year. On a U.S. GAAP basis, we incurred a net loss of $23 million in the quarter. This included the net impact of $39.8 million in non-cash goodwill impairment charges in our Europe and Asia segments, $43.7 million in non-cash impairment charges related to certain intangible and fixed assets in Asia and Europe, as well as the net tax benefit related to deferred tax assets in France and in the U.S. amongst other special items. On an adjusted basis, net income for the quarter was $27.5 million or $1.53 per diluted share. For the full year, sales of $3.63 billion were up 0.3% over last year. We had positive contributions to sales from acquisitions,…

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks, Jon. So, before wrapping up our discussion this morning, I just want to take a few minutes to review our longer-term strategic outlet and some of the reasons why we believe the next five years will provide greater opportunity for our company than the last five did. So let’s move to Slide 13. We have many reasons to be positive about the future of our company, and product innovation is just one. This is an important year for Fortrex in the automotive industry. It’s the year we launch our first major Fortrex production program which will be on the 2020 Ford Explorer. It is also the first year we expect to see a significant revenue impact from this important material science innovation. Our customers will soon be able to experience the difference Fortrex makes and the overall advantages it provides on their vehicles as well as in the assembly process. We will be launching the new Explorer sealing program in our plant in Spartanburg, South Carolina where we recently completed a major expansion project focused specifically on Fortrex production. So following two years of planning, execution, significant capital investment, the construction is now complete, the equipment is in place and the training of production personnel is underway. Turning to Slide 14, this chart shows our projected growth and innovation-related revenue. As you can see, we have significant growth planned in each of our product categories. So our innovations include much more than just the Fortrex technology applied to our sealing products. As our innovations go into production and ramp up, we anticipate margin expansion opportunities as we set prices in accordance with the incremental value they provide our customers. Moving on to Slide 15, another key reason to be positive about our outlook is the progress we’ve made…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from John Murphy with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Good morning guys, and thanks for taking the time.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hi, John.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hi, John.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

So, a first question on the outlook on Slide 10 and I appreciate the walk on the margins. But if you were to look back at Page 8, which is sort of an absolute walk year-over-year in 2018. I obviously think one is margin and one is absolute dollars, so I understand it’s a little bit mixed up here, but if you look back at Slide 8, the volume and mix was a negative 126. I don’t see any bar like that in Slide 10 for that margin walk, and once again I know one is absolute and one is margins without perfect comp. When you think about volume and mix in 2019, how are you kind of thinking about that headwind or maybe not just a big headwind is what we saw in 2018? And if we think about that bar in 2018, I mean how much of that was just pure volume as opposed to mix because mix doesn’t seem like it should have been too negative in 2018.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hey, John. Thanks for the question. This is Jon. As far as the 2019 walk in my prepared remarks, I kind of alluded to the fact that, we expect the same mix profile throughout 2019 that we do in 2018. So that’s why you don’t see an incremental bar on that margin walk for the guidance levels. So the same kind of profile for volume and mix that we saw in Q3 and Q4, that continues all the way throughout 2019 in our planning process. So, with respect to the 2018 impact, it really was the story of the European footprint for us with some platforms that drove a true mix profile and then the China volumes being down. There were -- concentrated 90% of our sales go to global OEMs and Detroit 3 OEMs. So they were significantly challenged in 2018 that impacted our volumes and mix profile during the year. So, again, those two stories continue on until the 2019 that we foresee in the near future.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

John, this is Jeff. Let me continue that. So, back in mid-January, when we issued our guidance, we talked about the uncertainty in the market in Asia, primarily China and also in Europe. Obviously, some of that is a result of the conversations going on right now around trade and we happen to believe that that will probably resolve itself here by early summer, at least that’s our optimistic view. We didn’t put that into our guidance. We felt that there was too much uncertainty to do that. So we took the back half of 2018, which was obviously significantly down from what anybody thought and that’s what we put into the entire 2019 year. So, obviously, that’s a conservative approach, but it’s the one that we decided to go with.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Gotcha. And for Section 301, you guys are assuming that the 10% stays in place. We don’t go up to 25% and then, there is an assumption that 232 in the U.S. doesn’t get put into place. Is that a – or gets enacted as sort of a net zero. Is that a fair statement?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes, John. That’s exactly right. We are not assuming any additional tariffs come onboard.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Gotcha. Okay. And then just real quickly on Europe, the RDE, I mean, it sounds like WLTP like for everybody created some disruption particularly at Audi and VW. Have you heard anything about the RDE testing sort of in the second half of this year and how far ahead of that your customers may or may not be?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

This is Jeff, Jon. We don’t have an opinion there. I can tell you that our concern in Europe is a little different in terms of some of the uncertainty, the geopolitical uncertainty, obviously the trade discussion with China is having an impact on Europe. I think the Paris activity that existed back last year when we pulled out of that, it’s just driving some very unique behaviors across some segments in Europe for us that were being impacted by. So, frankly, that’s more of the issue for Cooper-Standard than the issues that you raised.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, just another question on the $440 million of net new business that you booked this year. Just curious, the cadence of the flow – of that flowing on to the books, and then also as we look at Slide 14 kind of thinking about that business flowing on plus the innovative revenue flowing on. I mean, how should we think about sort of the net new business backlog over the next three to five years and what kind of growth above market? So, first really, how fast is the 440 flow on just so we can gauge how quickly you can win and grow the top-line and then also sort of just a thought process around the next three to five years on net backlog?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes, Jon, this is Jeff. So, regarding how long it takes, typically from the time we book an order until we go into production is somewhere between two and three years at this rate of change that’s going on in the industry. So it’s not sort of four to five like it was in the old days, so a lot faster. And as we go forward, I think we expect that we will continue to see similar opportunities that we have this year in terms of net new business.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Got it. And then just lastly, on the licensing side, should we think about sort of 5% licensing fees on whatever dollar revenue that your partners sell or is that way too simplistic? I mean, how should we think about that licensing flow?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes, I think it’s fair to say that as we do more of these, John, going forward, we will have more transparency around it. So it would be premature for us to talk about specific numbers. But in general terms, the licensee approach that you describe is pretty typical.

John Murphy

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you very much guys.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Tamberrino with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Hi, this is Mario [Ph] on for David. So, our first question is just kind of on the industry production assumptions in your 2019 guidance. You guys said that you were expecting weakness in Asia and Europe. But it looks like in the industry kind of assumptions that you are pointing to a little bit of growth year-over-year. Is this in line with what you are seeing from customers? Or is the weakness just more particular with your customer base?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Mario, this is Jon. Thanks for the question. Yes, it’s more particular to the customer base. As we discussed on our last call, the impact in the European story is really a mix discussion around a few significant platforms for our business. There is some luxury SUVs being produced in the European markets that we have some nice business with that were down in Q3 and Q4 of last year as well as some other premium vehicles and some B segment vehicles that really drove the mix decline for us. So, it’s not so much the overall volume market in 2019 that we are concerned about. It’s that mix story continuing for that year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, more particularly with China, is that sort of the same thing where you could still see it up year-over-year for the region?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Are you talking about the overall production environment or Cooper-Standard specific?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Overall production and then Cooper-Standard in specific.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. Well, I guess, I’ll leave it to more experts in the China market to predict where that’s going. But I just China specific looks to be down year-over-year for us in terms of production as we kind of model and follow through that, but again with our heavy concentration on global OEMs and the Detroit 3 OEMs, our story is going to be a little bit more significant than the market decline.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

This is Jeff. I’ll just add – I’ll add this for you. This is additional information that we provided few weeks ago. If you look at the mix related to western OEMs and China as Jon just talked about that, obviously, in the short-term, that mix is hitting us pretty significantly. So when you go out over the course of the next several years, you will see that our China business becomes much more diversified than it is today. So by 2023 in fact, 30% of the revenue in China will be with the Chinese domestic automakers. So, as we go forward each year, we will have less and less dependence on the western companies and we will shift a lot more balance over to the local Chinese. And our innovation is driving a lot of that. We are very interested in the new products, new innovation that we have to create a competitive advantage for them.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks for that detail. And then, just on the $70 million in innovation awards in the quarter, how much of this is replacement versus new business? Can you break that out?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

We don’t really have a specific breakout at hand. It’s little bit of a complicated mix, but we can address that. Over the past period of time if you were to look at the last year or so, on the innovation sales, it’s roughly 50-50. I just don’t have the specific detail on the quarter at hand.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, just a last question from us. It seems like pricing again was negative in the quarter and it looks like it stepped up a little bit from 3Q. How is this kind of comparing to your expectations for pricing going forward and like, I think the 2% range?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes, it’s a good question. So, historically, we’ve been in the 1.5% to 1.7% just to frame that. 2018 was definitely a year that we anticipated more pricing pressure and we got it. We were in the 2% range as you just mentioned. For 2019, that number is going to be a lot closer to 1%.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks so much for taking our questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Koranda with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Hey guys. Good morning.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Good morning, Matt.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Hey, Matt.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

In terms of the EU mix issue that you guys are referencing earlier, I guess, that’s getting too far of your swing for customers. Why are those programs seeing headwinds in particular? Is that demand-related in your view? Or is that sort of trade and production issues around Brexit? Just a little more color would be helpful?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Sure, Matt. This is Jeff. I was trying to allude to that with John’s question earlier and it is difficult as you know to not talk specifically about our customers’ challenges there. I try to avoid that. But, clearly there are five vehicles, Matt, that are affecting us. One of them is a larger SUV that’s really a high-end vehicle produced in the UK. Another is a large luxury passenger car produced in Germany. And then we have issues around, what I would call small to mid-cycle or mid-segment vehicle that’s produced in Europe by a North American manufacturer that’s high content per vehicle for us. There is another one in Italy that’s an issue for us. And these – this comes back to what we think is really driving the issue more of a geopolitical, more of an environment focus. Obviously, the diesel scandal had a lot to do with creating an awareness on top of the already existing environmental awareness in Europe. And certainly, the rhetoric around the tariffs discussions and then ultimately the U.S. pulling out of that, I think all has led to some type of challenge within the market on these larger upscale vehicles. It just happen to be ones that we are producing large content per vehicle, large profit per vehicle. Our customers make a lot of money on those vehicles. Therefore the supply base tends to follow. So that’s what’s going on for us in Europe and we had assumed that that will continue through 2019. And that was a back half of 2018 issue when this really started for us.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. Understandable. And then, just maybe a little help with the quarterly cadence for the year for 2019. I mean, you guys did a good job with the bridge and explaining some of the headwinds. But are there any launches that are going to drive some choppiness quarter-to-quarter? And I know you guys mentioned the Explorer, Fortrex program in your slides for an example that will launch. But how should we be sort of thinking about sales and EBITDA progress through the years as quarters progress?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Yes, I think the good news there is that we’ve got almost 200 new programs that we will be launching. We are very confident in our ability to continue to do that and to do it well. We historically, in the last couple years, each year has been a record launch year for us. 2019 will also be a record launch year. Our teams are executing very well. We don’t have concerns, Matt, that we’ll have cost above what we’ve already baked into our plans. I mean, statistically, we are pretty good at predicting how much it’s going to cost us for each launch and the last two years being any indication where we are confident that 2019 is covered with what we showed you.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Yes, Matt and I won’t breakout the actual revenues for you, specifically. But I can give you a flavor of the launch cadence. As Jeff indicated, there is – it’s a record launch year and we are going to have over 250 launches in 2019. Around 50 of those set in Q1, but then in Q2 and Q3 are over 80 new launches and then it tails off at the end of the year. So you can kind of get a feel for that launch cadence compared to how the business results will come.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s helpful. And then, just in terms of licensing and how that impacts the 2019 outlook. I don’t think you guys necessarily covered that. I mean, I am guessing it’s de minimis or whatever you may get is mostly upside to the EBITDA outlook. But if you could clarify that, that’d be helpful. And then, maybe just also level set us on maybe the number of additional licensing agreements that you’d expect to sign in the year?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Hey, Matt. This is Jon. On the actual financial impacts during the year, we call that immaterial at this point and I don’t want to give any specific information because we don’t have two deals signed right now, because that would kind of giveaway an indication of a commercial sensitivity there. So we are nearing – I should say, we are in discussions in nearing and hope that have about three to four new license agreements signed here in the coming months.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s helpful guys. I’ll jump back in queue.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Glenn Chin with Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.

Glenn Chin

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Good morning gentlemen.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Hey, Glenn.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Hey, Glenn.

Glenn Chin

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Just a quick follow-up on the customer pricing dynamics. So you mentioned it ramped up in 2018, but then expect it to moderate in 2019. Is that a function of, I guess, your negotiations of raw material recovery?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Hi, Glenn. This is Jeff. Yes,

Glenn Chin

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Okay. Forget. And then, in the presentation, Jeff, you mentioned opportunities to optimize your China manufacturing footprint. What needs to be done to optimize that other than just filling up the plants?

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Yes, the biggest thing, Glenn is the vertical integration for our fuel and brake business. So we are in the early stage of launching a brand new tube plant there with our MagAlloy technology. So that's, for 2019, that’s the biggest factor other than just launching product and putting it into the existing factories. This is a significant investment that we made during the 2018 year and it will come up to production here as we head into 2019.

Glenn Chin

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, in China and Europe, even excluding the non-cash impairment charges, sort of way you disclosed the results by region, it looks like even excluding those non-cash impairment charges, that profitability took a bit of a step down sequentially. Is anything accelerate or deteriorate in the quarter from third quarter to fourth quarter?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Hey, Glenn, it’s Jon. There it is just the further exacerbation of the mix story that we talked about earlier is the big impact there in Q4.

Glenn Chin

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Please go ahead

Okay. Very good. That’s it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Ward with Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good morning. Just following up on that one. When you are referring to volume and mix, customer mix is part of that, correct?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Yes.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. And can you break down, it’s about $50 million of all the mix shift in the fourth quarter. Can you break down how much of that was China and how much of that was Europe? Is it about 50-50? Or is it more subject towards China?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Actually, for Q4, we had negative volume and mix in all regions as even in the North America footprint based on our customer mix profile took a bit of a hit. But Europe and Asia kind of were equally weighted as far as that $40 million or $50 million you mentioned.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. When you talked about, Jeff, you’re just mentioning the commercial negotiations, and if the math is right, it’s roughly $30 million of a help. Well, and Jon, when you alluded to the $60 million of raw material pressures in 2019, is that net of the $30 million savings from commercial negotiations or is the $30 million negotiation a payback from 2018 in the negative impact?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Hey Mike, this is Jon again. The material economic numbers I gave you were the gross impact before going that for the price.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. So, then – and the help out on the price sales, for 2019, is that more of a payback for the payment you took in 2018? Or is that…

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Yes, exactly. That’s exactly right, Mike.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. So, when you are looking at that $60 million number for 2019, there is chance we could get some positive commercial negotiations at some point?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

It’s possible that typically those happen on a lag as commodity inflation occurs during the year and the year closes out and then we kind wreck things up and go back to our customers with the overall scorecard and present at that time. A minor amount there is actually indexed. You get it on the two to three months lag, but for the most part, it’s all based on negotiations.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. And as a ballpark figure for what you are spending on raw materials from all of these about $1 billion?

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Good question. I don’t have that in hand. But, I think direct materials are about 50% of our overall cost of goods sold. Yes.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Right. So that’s ballpark. Okay.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Yes.

Michael Ward

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Thanks very much.

Jeffrey Edwards

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay, Mike.

Jonathan Banas

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay, Mike. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

It appears that there are no more questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Roger Hendriksen.

Roger Hendriksen

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, everyone. We appreciate your participation today. Should you have further questions, please feel free to reach out to me and we will stay in touch over the coming days and weeks. Thanks again. This concludes our call.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.