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Ceragon Networks Ltd. (CRNT)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 13, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the Ceragon Networks Limited Second Quarter Results Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and will be hosted by Mr. Ira Palti, President and CEO of Ceragon Networks. Today's call will include statements concerning Ceragon's future prospects that are forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially, including the risks that Ceragon will not achieve the benefits it expects from its expense reduction and profit enhancement programs; the risk that Ceragon’s expectations regarding future revenues and profitability will not materialize; the risk that Ceragon will not comply with the financial or other covenants in its agreements with its lenders; risks associated with doing business in Latin America, including currency export controls and recent economic concerns; risks relating to the concentration of our business in Asia-Pacific region and in developing nations; the risk of significant expenses in connection with potential contingent tax liability associated with Nera's prior operations or facilities; and other risks and uncertainties detailed from time to time in Ceragon's Annual Report on Form 20-F and Ceragon's other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission; and represents our views only as of the date they are made and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We do not assume any obligations to update any forward-looking statements. Ceragon's public filings are available from the Securities and Exchange Commission's website at www.sec.gov or maybe obtained at Ceragon's website at www.ceragon.com. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Ira Palti, President and CEO of Ceragon. Please go ahead, sir.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Thank you for joining us today. With me on the call is Doron Arazi, our CFO. By now, you have seen our press release indicating that we have made excellent progress during Q2. We have now achieved a very important milestone restoring our financial stability with solid profitability and positive cash flow. More important, we are much more confident that we can continue the trend of profit improvements. During this call, we would like to explain the source of this confidence. We will discuss how we have validated our strategy, what we have learned to do better and what new profit goals we have set as a result. Our strategy has three main pillars – having the best technology and solutions, being well positioned in all geographies, focusing on high-value opportunities. All three elements are required in order to sustain and increase profits. We believe we are the wireless backhaul vendor best positioned in all three aspects. IP-20 platform is a highly differentiated solution with many advantages that we discussed in detail on our last call. When the wireless backhaul market considers, which company offers best of which solution. Ceragon is the company that typically comes to mind. How do we know? Customers and potential customer tell us. Market research and even some of our competitors say it. This is our reputation, one we have earned over many years by being first to market with the most advanced technology. IP-20 platform provides benefits that can only be achieved through the power of vertical integration from in-house chipset design all the way through a broad portfolio of solution for filling the entire scope of wireless backhaul needs. As we have explained in the past, in some deals operators are not interested in best-of-breed solutions. Some are only interested in getting the…

Doron Arazi

CFO

Thank you, Ira. I will provide additional details on our financial performance and discuss the near term outlook. Since you have all seen the press release, I’ll just highlight some of the significant items. Our second quarter revenues of $94.8 million represented a 1% sequential increase from Q1, in line with our expectations. The geographic breakdown of Q2 revenue appears in the press release. Revenue from Latin America returned to a more typical level after a large project in Columbia steered Q1. Lower revenue from Europe was more than offset by significantly higher revenue from North America. We had one above 10% customer in the quarter, a large operator in India we have served for many years. In Q4 of 2014, we outlined our plan to reach and sustain profitability. We set a target of reaching a non-GAAP gross margin of at least 27% by Q4 of 2015. We exceeded that level in Q2 with non-GAAP gross margin of 28.6%. This was a little higher than expected due to a more favorable revenue mix than anticipated. We continue to note that we expect some fluctuations from quarter-to-quarter based on the exact mix of revenue we recognize during the period. Nevertheless, we were encouraged with the gross margin improvement across all regions as compared with Q1, which gives us higher level of confidence in our ability to continue the general trend of improving gross margin. Non-GAAP results in Q2 excluded $1.7 million of the usual items, stock-based compensation, amortization of intangible assets, and non-cash tax adjustments. In Q2, we reached and exceeded our target for operating expenses. This quarter at $20.4 million level of OpEx was actually a bit lower than the level we consider sustainable. Going forward we continue to expect operating expenses to range between $21 million and $22…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of James Kisner with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Jason North

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Hi, this is Jason North for James. Congrats on the high GM for the quarter. I was curious for North America looks like that's at a four-year high in terms of revenues. What drove that? And how sustainable do you think it is as a percent of mix?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

I think that we have been focusing a lot of our efforts as part of the strategy on high value deals and North America tends to have a higher proportion of high value deals than the rest of the mix and that’s why we put an extra effort there. I think you’re noticing correctly this is a high mark in the last four years. I’m not sure that over the next two quarters, we’ll stay in that high mark, but if we average things out over a few quarters, we see that we are slowly increasing our position in the U.S., mainly from additional effort both into the operator’s market where we see deployment with two large customers at this point, which we’ve been deploying with them over the last year and we’re seeing a continual increase this year and additional efforts that we see from other vertical markets within the North America region.

Jason North

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

And without that, I'm just trying to segregate the helpful impact for gross margins based in North America, if that's going to regress a little bit to the mean. Can you give any source of like what gross margins might have been without that spike in North America?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

I don’t think that I can give you a specific answer, but I would say that while North America is definitely on the high end side of the gross margin we were able to generate much higher gross margin in other regions and I do believe that even with a lower mix of a revenue coming from North America we can sustain this level of gross margin.

Jason North

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. Are you providing any type of goals or qualitative guidance for gross margins in the back half of the year besides up?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

So, I think that the trajectory is to continue in the pace or not in the pace in the vector that we have seen in the last two quarters. Obviously, there is a limit to how much we can improve the gross margin, but we still believe that we can take it further and I want to caveat that by the issue of the regional mix so the general trajectory is yes, we can do better than 28.6 that is what we believe, but on a quarterly basis, it will be a little bit more difficult because of a regional mix.

Jason North

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay, that makes sense. A quick follow-up here on the cash flow. You are saying that's going to be positive. Are you talking free cash flow or operating cash flow?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

I’m looking at the cash flow that we can generate after taking into account everything, including paying interest. So, it’s all the way down before we decide whether we want to pay, we want to reserve this cash in our bank account or we want to payback part of the loans.

Jason North

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. That makes sense. I'll go back in the queue. Thank you.

Doron Arazi

CFO

Thank you, Jason.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from the line of Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

Yeah, I just want to make sure I heard what I heard correctly - or what I thought I heard correctly. So, you are saying that you think you can do $7 million or so in net income for FY - or calendar 2015. But the comment I thought I heard you say was that you expected that in 2015 to 2016, that you would be able to double your operating income? Is that - was that operating income? Or what was the metric there?

Doron Arazi

CFO

Hi Alex, this is Doron. It’s the same metric. We were talking about a net income non-GAAP for 2015 and Ira commented that we can probably double this number for next year.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

I guess I'm a little confused at what causes that improvement. Is that going to be a function of gross margin? Is that going to be a function of flat OpEx? Because it doesn't sound like you are really forecasting any growth on a full-year basis. So, I mean, are you assuming that you return to decent top line growth in 2016? What's the driver of that improvement?

Doron Arazi

CFO

The main driver is the combination of a better gross margin and keeping our OpEx very tight in I would say similar level to what you’ve seen and what we guided for in this goal.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Alex, I want to take it not from the numbers perspective but from a strategy perspective. From a strategy perspective, I think we put out very high. We are going after the high value deals. And I think that we indicated more over in the last call and this call again, it’s more important for us to grow the bottom line and the efficiency in the operation and go after high value deals than go after lot of the deals and increase the top line. And I think both when we indicated for the next two quarters going forward, we probably will maintain similar revenue, might be a little bit even down that we are at this point on the quarterly basis, but fluctuating around where we are while focusing on the high value deals and our advantages both in geography and in the products to increase the gross margins while maintaining a constant OpEx which will slow down into the bottom line.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

Right. So just to be clear, if you just basically hold the numbers relatively steady, you would need a fairly significant improvement in gross margins. Are you talking about getting back to an average for 2016 of gross margins at 30% or plus, or are we talking about some composite of a little bit of growth and a little bit of gross margin expansion in that 2016 number. I am a little confused how you get a doubling of profit off essentially what sounds like flat revenues when it was flat OpEx. I mean the flat OpEx doesn’t provide any leverage if there is no revenue growth and there is not enough movement in the gross margin do double operating profits.

Doron Arazi

CFO

Yes. So as we said, I think most of the ones during the former announcement, we have seen in the last two quarters booking with very, very nice gross margins. And we believe that even if we face that on revenue, the level of gross margin we can achieve based on what we have seen so far together with the continuous reduction of our product cost and some other measures, we can have a 30% level of gross margin next year. And basically we put that as a target, so obviously we don’t guide for that at this point but based on what we have seen, this is definitely an achievable target in our eyes.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

Okay. Could you talk a little bit about, I mean there has been some pretty precipitous changes in emerging markets over the last couple of months really, certainly even post your closure quarter. For instance, Cisco reported last night that they were down 48% in India, just as an example. I mean, not India, in Brazil as an example. Are we – should we be concerned about the damage that's being done to emerging markets because of the commodity price route causing contractions and spending in those geographies? I know that’s a big macro question for a company that shouldn’t be that tied to macro, but it’s kind of unavoidable.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

I think it’s a very valid question. No, we do not see it this way in such large numbers. Although we see issues with some operators in some of the markets, I think we indicated for example Latin America returned to lower level with a peak we had in Q1. We see some of the other emerging markets still being very active. I think Brazil has its own situation where we are working closely with the customers I do not expect significant changes there at this point on what we see within the market.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

Okay. And then just going back to the competitor that's having difficulty with their – the quality control. Do you see a change in the relationships they are having with their customers that's opening up an opportunity that you might be able to take advantage of? And is that actually a relevant determinant? Or is it more important how your relationship in competition is between the majors that are obviously the larger portion of the marketplace?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

I think the second part of your question is the right one. I think usually taking market share has to do mainly with the larger players. Although we believe we are one of the top two within the best-of-breed markets, and we are selected on most of those deals or being considered in most of those deals, I think it’s part of the relationship and understanding and where we are in the position within the market that we can use and I use that as example also, as taking advantage of our geographical spread and connections with the customers, not necessarily as a competitive overall assessment versus that specific vendor.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

All right. One last question and I'll cede the floor. So you made the comment that half the market is best-of-breed, half the market is not. But the best-of-breed market is essentially flat. At some point, however, you also implied that the best-of-breed buyers who also tend to buy for more commodity purchases would see a shift in the architecture of their networks towards higher data rate environments where they might be forced to move towards a best-of-breed product and applying some future inflection point to a period where there might actually be higher growth for the best of breed portion that you are targeting. When might that be?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

We think it will occur but we don’t know probably its further down the road, it’s not in the quarters range, it’s probably well beyond 2016 on the pressure. And it's a gradual move. I don’t expect an inflection point there.

Alex Henderson

Analyst · Alex Henderson with Needham, please go ahead

Okay. I'll cede the floor. Thank you.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from the line of George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Thank you for taking my questions. So, going back to margins and the best-of-breed mix, are the best-of-breed orders and contracts that you are going after, low-30% gross margins? Are they mid-30% gross margins, more in line with what your historical targets have been?

Doron Arazi

CFO

Basically we manage this thing by region. This is why we indicated that there could be fluctuation in the gross margin because of the mix. So the way we handle that is on a regional basis but as I said, we see a positive trend in the gross margin across all regions and we believe that for the long term we can maintain a mix that can bring us to this 30% or something close to that on average.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Okay. And then when you look at that regional contribution, India was still a fairly large contributor this quarter – I think it was 30%. Did you see margin improvement there? And what type of contribution should we expect from India, let's say, two or three quarters from now?

Doron Arazi

CFO

So, first of all, India is a great example for a situation where we were able to improve the profitability and the payment terms. And actually in this quarter, we see the fruits of this effort, yes. The gross margin in India is improving significantly relative to 2014 and I think I said that in the previous call, obviously our decisions are based on an analysis for per-customer, not an analysis per-region. We don’t walk away from India and we don’t walk away from any country in the world where we think that level of margins are I would say applicable to our strategy based on the regional analysis. This is how we execute our strategy and we do believe that we will see more contribution coming from India definitely in the short term.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Okay. Now it's been a couple quarters since you focused on the better quality opportunities. And there's typically a quarter or two lag between booking an order and actually starting to see those revenues flow in. When should we start to see the best-of-breed mix kind of being at a normalized level? Is this a year out? Or is it a little bit longer than that?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Probably a year out I think is the right approach although it might be even a little bit sooner. I'm not sure if Q1 – Q2 next year, somewhere between Q1 and Q2 next year where some of the older deals will be out of the mix.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Okay. And one final question. Can you give us a sense of how you've tweaked your sales compensation and how your messaging to the sales force, these are the type of deals we want to go after and making sure they are focused in the right areas?

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Very simply you talk about the high value, you measure the high value within the deals. You want to go after best-of-breed high value deals. You compensate for high value deals much better than you compensate for low value and where we won on price only. So we tweaked some of the parameters within the compensation scheme.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you very much.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We open the line of Gunther Karger with Discovery Group. Please go ahead.

Gunther Karger

Analyst

Yes, I just have a comment to congratulate you on achieving your goals. Thank you.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, there are no other questions in queue. Please continue.

Ira Palti

President and CEO

So I would like to thank all of you for participating in our call this morning and we will be open to any one-on-one questions and discussion over the upcoming days. We also want to advice you that for your convenience after conclusion of this call, we will be posting a copy of our formal remarks in PDF format on our Investor Relation page of our website, and looking forward to speaking with all of you for more details. Thank you again.