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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome the CoStar Group Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Mr. Rich Simonelli. Please go ahead.
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Rich Simonelli
Analyst
Thank you, operator, and good morning everyone. Welcome to CoStar Group's second quarter 2015 conference call. Before I turn the call over to Andy, I want to have a second to talk to you about some really important facts. Certain portions of this discussion contain forward-looking statements which involve many risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Important factors that can cause actual results to differ include, but are not limited to, those stated in our July 29, 2015 press release on our second quarter results, and in CoStar's filings with the SEC, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, and quarterly report on Form 10-Q, under the heading Risk Factors. All forward-looking statements are based on information available to CoStar on the date of this call, and CoStar assumes no obligation to update these statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. As a reminder, today's call is being broadcast live and in color over the Internet, at www.costargroup.com, where you can also find our investor relations page. A replay will be available approximately 1 hour after the call today, and will be available for approximately 30 days thereafter. To listen, call (800)475-6701 within the U.S. or Canada or 320-36-53844 outside the U.S. The access code is 364170, and it'll be available within an hour. So I'd like to turn the call over to Andy Florance.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for our second quarter earnings call. I'm sorry for the slight delay in getting going this morning, but the city began jack-hammering outside my office right at 5 of 11:00, so we'll keep it moving. And as you know, I always keep these calls very short. As we reach the midpoint of the year, I feel that we can say that our expanded focus investment into the multifamily sector is clearly succeeding. In fact, while our acquisition of LoopNet was widely heralded as a major success, I believe that we are potentially having an even greater success meeting the marketing and information needs of the multi-trillion dollar multifamily industry. In a relatively short period of time we have changed the competitive apartment Internet services landscape for both the companies seeking to provide marketing solutions, and for the companies seeking to provide information analytics solutions. I believe we have brought a greater level of commitment and conviction than our competitors have. We are using the playbook we capitalized on with the LoopNet CoStar merger, integrating and leveraging a powerful information solution to build a superior marketing platform and vice versa. And accordingly we are achieving dramatic selling success. To price optimally, the multifamily owner needs daily competitive rental information, which none of the legacy information providers are adequately supplying. With the benefit of our research and technical expertise in our Apartments.com marketplace, we are providing the users deep content with daily pricing on tens of thousands of apartment communities. To minimize vacancy losses, the multifamily owner needs a steady stream of qualified leads, and to achieve that they need to reach the largest possible audience of renters. By leveraging our technology and content, and by initiating the first ever significant business consumer…
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
And these calls, they just never are dull. Thank you, Andy. As Andy mentioned, we are very pleased with the performance in the second quarter of 2015. The investments we're making in marketing are showing great results with all-time high sales numbers, increases in traffic, leads, all allow the CoStar Group's core business continues to grow at solid top line. We just closed the ApartmentFinder acquisition last month, and are aggressively integrating the business, while providing our sales force with another service to sell to our multifamily customers. In the second quarter of 2015 -- he just does that to see if he can just mess with me before I start, the company reported 170.7 million in revenue, an increase of 16%, compared to the second quarter of 2014. Gross margins, with 126 million for the second quarter of 2015 or 73.8% of revenue, the highest gross margin we reported in the company's history. So the continued margin expansion shows the leverage in strength of our business model, even with the research investments we've made in Canada, and in multifamily. So highest ever gross margins, which I -- we believe will continue to climb. Adjusted EBITDA of 11.3 million for the second quarter 2015, and non-GAAP net income in the second quarter was 2.4 million or $0.08 per diluted share. Both of which are impacted by the investments in marketing for Apartments.com, as well as expenses for the ApartmentFinder acquisition. Net income in the second quarter of 2015 was a loss of 15 million. Reconciliation of non-GAAP net income, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, and all non-GAAP financial measures discussed in this call. So the GAAP basis result are shown in detail, along with definitions for those terms in our press release issued yesterday, and are available on our Web site at…
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Okay. On behalf of CoStar's Board of Directors, our investors, and all of Brian's colleagues, and most especially myself, I want to express our deepest appreciation and respect for all Brian's achievements and contributions over his 18 years with CoStar. I must say, 18 chronological years is a deception. Though Brian started 18 years ago, he's worked not a minute less than equivalent of 45 years. I clearly remember when Franc Carchedi, our EVP for Operations hired Brian, back when Franc was our CFO. The week Brian started, Franc and I headed off to New York City to meet with a venture capital, and we left Brian in Washington to run the shop. We left him with a bank statement on his first day of work, with $0.50 in it. We let him know payroll was $150,000 on Friday, and we encouraged him to get collecting. I know he called his wife that day, and told her that he thought he might have made a mistake leaving his stable job. We made payroll that week, and with Brain at center stage we built an exceptional business that positively impacts tens of millions of people, employs thousands, and has generated great returns. And we'll thrive for a very, very long time. This quarter, when an opportunity arose to make an opportunistic investment, like acquiring ApartmentFinder for 170 million or a non-material multi-million Euro company in Madrid, we can do that from cash on hand. That is thanks to how far Brian has brought us from that $0.50 bank balance. Rest assured Brian's greatest accomplishment is the strength and depth of the finance team he built. We will not miss a beat in transition with a team like Charlie Colligan, Don Wilson, Mark Zebra, Matthew Green, Tim Clutter, Rich Simonelli, especially Scott…
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll go to Andre Benjamin with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
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Andre Benjamin
Analyst
My question is actually not on Apartments, but the core CoStar suite. I was wondering if you could confirm what the organic growth rate was just for core CoStar and the LoopNet platforms for this quarter ex Apartments, and then more deeply, how you're trending with just that core broker customer.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Sure. I'll start and then hand it over to Andy. Thanks, Andre, 300 [ph]. So the core platform, the major brands that people think about, CoStar, LoopNet, and all that, they're all growing in the 11%-12%-13% rate the last few quarters. I think they're still growing fairly strong. Obviously there's a lot of focus around this recent release the last four months. But as we talked about in prior calls, we've devised a commission structure to people to be filling up the three major buckets on commissions. We think over time that will be -- still continue to be a strong area of growth.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
And with that the reality is, is that we are seeing good growth in the core business, but there is a unusually strong opportunity for our entire sales force in the Apartment opportunity, and that for good reasons diverts sales people attention to those big commission dollars on the Apartment side. So with so much growth over there, I'm very impressed that we're maintaining those double-digit growth rates in the core business.
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Operator
Operator
We'll go to the line of Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.
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Sara Gubins
Analyst
Hi, thank you. Brian, thanks for your comments, and I feel a little bit petty about asking a couple of numbers questions, but I'll do it anyway.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
That'll make it easier on me. Please do. I want the numbers.
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Sara Gubins
Analyst
I'll throw them all in here. Could you help us break down revenue from ApartmentFinder and Apartments.com in the quarter? Was there any revenue to speak of for ApartmentFinder Social that you'll be shutting down? And just a broader question on Apartments.com, if you're seeing any competitive reaction.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Yes, I'll talk the numbers. And Andy loves talking about competition, so I'll leave that piece to him. Yes, so in the quarter, for the year I think we said -- I'll go back and look at the transcript, but I think it's 40 million to 43 million. It's plus or minus 6 million in the quarter. So that's all in the core. I think we've disclosed all that for ApartmentFinder. Their core business is in that 68 million to 70 million. So there's probably about $10 million of revenue that we are currently shutting down. As you approach the end of the year for the conversion it's about $10 million are going to go into next year that you'll lose. I think I just mentioned, we'll expect about 70 millionish I mean, I'm not giving guidance for next year, but just so people can start gauging their numbers for ApartmentFinder for next year. Obviously, once we get through all those conversions, we get rid of the print, we get rid of the Social and all the stuff that we have going on, we convert to the new Web site, and we start selling it, then obviously we think we can grow that longer term at corporate rates, mid teens or so. But that'll be -- it's going to take the next 12 months to get through all that transition, and then start getting the engine going on the sales there. And competition?
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Andy Florance
Analyst
And really -- the Social will -- elimination of Social will increase profitability without a doubt.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Correct.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
The competitive situation; frankly, Brain is right. I like competition. This may come as a surprise to people. The competitive front has been a lot of fun. There were a lot of players in the apartment space as we entered it. We have moved into number one. There have been reactions here and there. Our single largest competitor, RentPath, has for the first time begun to do some advertising to try to brand in reaction to our marketing campaign, national marketing campaigns. They've made some interesting choices. The mass majority of their revenue is on Apartment Guide. They decided to spend their marketing on Rent.com, which is the minority of their revenue. Our surveys show that Rent.com is less popular with apartment owners and managers. Apartment Guide is more popular. Watching Alexa, it would appear that there was spending really ahead of the NAA conference and no material traffic movement in Rent.com, which would look like to me, initially, who knows where it goes. It looks like a somewhat ineffective response. The CEO of that organization was replaced last month or this month. So I think that also might be an indication. Then I feel like we're in a very strong position with some of the other players that we're up against there. On the information side, I think we're having -- we're taking a lot of share from some of those smaller players providing multifamily information. I took a quick glance on the iPhone at a red light on the way down to the office this morning, at the only other publicly-traded company providing multifamily market information. And it would appear that their subscription revenue was absolutely flat for the first time in years, and that their revenue growth was all from consulting. And as you track -- have heard the term, zombie company, it's when you move to consulting instead of leveraged revenue. I think that shows that we're taking a lot of share there. And then folks who are in the space but not directly competitive, folks providing general real estate Web sites that begin with a C [ph] and end with a W, they're pretty busy right now on a lot of other issues. We are not seeing any share movement one way or another with them. So they have very little revenues in this space, and don't appear a big factor. I have to say it's been really rewarding to come in, and with our team build a really strong product offering, join up with the Finder folks, and the Apartments.com folks, ApartmentHomeLiving folks, and take a tremendous amount of share right now from everybody. If you want to ask to get back in line and ask the same question again, I'd love it.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to the line of Sterling Auty with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
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Sterling Auty
Analyst
Yes, thanks. Brian, congratulations on an excellent tenure, and enjoy the sabbatical. On to the business stuff, can you give us an update in terms of you talked about coming into the year, the elimination of, I think, the Premium Searcher with LoopNet? Where are you in the process, and is there a chance that you end up doing the same thing with FinderSocial, where maybe it's a wind-down and not a complete elimination?
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Okay, yes. I'll start, and Andy can jump in. LoopNet, again, we keep pulling the levers. It's the same as we've talked about in prior calls. We've jacked up the price significantly. We are losing some people on the searching side. Again, overall LoopNet is growing a little bit less this year. We got a little bit less revenue this year than growth in the last year, still in that 10%-11%-12%-13% range. But we're essentially getting the effect of what we wanted. I'll let Andy talk about it. I mean, eventually we will move all those people off of there, and make it a pure marketing site. On the social thing there will be zero chance, and Andy can obviously overrule me. Zero chance that we will not eliminate that revenue. And zero chance we will not shut down the print. That is an absolute. We're already staring the process. And obviously we want to get to pure digital play in those areas. And we're feeling great about where we are in little over a month on this.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Yes, so the folks who were prior doing the social and print are actually have been given their warn notice, and we are actually moving people into other job opportunities, and that is a fait accompli. The only thing delaying the Premium Searcher is Apartments.com, and then ApartmentFinder, and the fact we're working really focusing on that. Again, the price, when we acquired LoopNet for Premium Searcher was roughly $37. Today it's roughly $300. Yes, it continues to grow. By taking it up there, and moving it towards parity with CoStar Property, it will make the transition easier as we do that. Again, it continues to grow. We really want to have the back ends integrated between LoopNet and CoStar Group so that there is a 100% clear upgrade path for all customers. And that if a customer wants to use the CoStar content inside the LoopNet interface they'll be able to do that as well. So we'll make progress on that this year, but again it's just delayed by Finder and Apartments.com's successes.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
And just add one thing on that. We've got about 120 or so that we've given notices to. Most of them will be here through the end of the year, some a little bit going into the first quarter next year. So we're well underway. As most people know, CoStar moves a light speed. And we've done lots of very, very successful integrations and acquisitions. So I think we're well underway, maybe better than ever.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to the line of Andrew Jeffrey with SunTrust. Please go ahead.
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Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst
Hi, thanks for taking the question. Brian, I hope your sabbatical doesn't mean we have boring conference calls for the next four quarters.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
I'll see you in Boston next week with Andy, don't worry.
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Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst
I need more entertainment in my life, apparently. Could you talk a little bit about the growth strategy in Apartments, both Apartments.com and Finder vis-à-vis price? I wonder how much of the blow-out sales growth is a function of underpricing the competition, and at what point do you start to price for value, integrate data, and start to drive some greater yield, or if today and for the foreseeable future, share is your primary consideration?
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Well, we -- in acquiring Apartments.com, one of the considerations was we looked at all of the other players, and looked at their price points they were charging people. We have experienced, though decades and decades ago, of converting from a print advertising medium to a digital information platform or digital marketing platform. And it's common that when someone converts from a print ad solution to a digital ad solution they maintain the cost structure of the -- just religiously maintain the cost structure of the print platform, which has ink, Heidelberg presses, and trucks involved. And that isn't always the right solution. You can actually -- when you have no direct cost for acquiring additional ad, other than the sales commission, it's possible to very profitably go for volume, and leave a player who is charging print prices vulnerable. So you can go for higher profitability at higher volume. And, clearly, the renters have told us they care about higher volume. That's the strategy we're going after. And the fun thing is that it's hard for the competitor who has set a strategy on high price at a low volume to respond to that quickly. So I'm very comfortable of the prices we're charging. Again, we have these differentiated scales, so we have silver, gold, platinum, and diamond. We're intentionally bringing people in on level three, and leaving open the ability to move them to level two and one over time. Buildings moving into lease-up or the vacancy problems move into -- will pay dramatically more, they'll pay more than twice or three times as much to go into the top [indiscernible] position with the most prominent ad. I believe that if you get some softness with over construction, some marketers will get a lot a more share and that people move into that two in one position to create a marketing exposure. And then the other thing is we just have a cost advantage here. I mean we're already collecting all those content about the buildings. We don't have to hire the people to collect that content in connection with the sale of an ad. So our costs are being distributed across the advertising platform and the information platform. So I feel very comfortable where we are right now, and I just think we're lucky as heck to have a cost advantage. And do not be afraid to be a little bit bold and change in the business model up a little bit. So did I answer your question? Okay, I'll assume it did.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to line of Brett Huff with Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.
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Jim Rutherford
Analyst
Yes, this is Jim Rutherford in for Brett. I just wanted a quick update on hearing what multifamily owners are saying about lead quality and if there's been any change there, and then on the volume that they -- volumes of leads they're getting after switching to Apartments.com from other vendors.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Sure, happy to. I met with a lot of owners recently with NAA in Vegas, and was extremely pleased with the feedback I received. So across the board, the most senior principals of firms, and then the marketing leadership across the board, everybody I spoke to acknowledged that they were happy with ever seeing a material improvement in lead quality and quantity from Apartments.com over prior year. And in particular, one of our strategy differences from other competitors has been we are not focused on maximum lead volume or focused on lead quality. So a lead is a cost item. A lease is a revenue item. And the industry had gotten into a game where it was drive leads to the telephone leasing office, regardless whether or not that lead was even remotely qualified. So specifically you don't tell the person if the apartment, the one bedroom is available or not. You haven't called the leasing office to find out. That's a waste of the leasing office's time. So we've done, as we're telling people there's no one bedroom available here, don't bother calling unless you're really, really desperate. And that brings lead volume down a little bit. The marketing and the traffic brings lead volume up, but it's more qualified leads. So we're getting -- we are really pleased with what've heard. And I think now, especially for the 13,000 communities that have been advertising with the ApartmentFinder, I believe we're going to blow their minds. I think we're going to give them an increase of leads, like, they can't believe when you go from 2 million unique visitors to 14 million unique visitors. And you go from, again, this sort of murky lead shotgun game to really qualified high quality leads. I think it will work really well.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to the line of Bill Warmington with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.
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Bill Warmington
Analyst
So, good afternoon everyone.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Hey, Bill.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Hey, Bill.
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Bill Warmington
Analyst
And so I heard a rumor that, Brian, you were trying out for the Washington Capitals and you were going to go on the ice, that it could be pro this time.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Trying out, I already got a spot.
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Bill Warmington
Analyst
I'm behind. Anyway, so congratulations on that, and we're going to miss you.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Thanks, Bill.
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Bill Warmington
Analyst
So I have a question for you on the sales force structure. I know you gave out the number of 624 and that included 110 coming in from Finder. But maybe it would be helpful if you could sketch that out for us now, how the sales force is actually organized across all the different products and how we should think about that in terms of how it's organized.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Okay. So, oversimplify…
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Bill Warmington
Analyst
It can't be too simple for us for a sell-side analyst.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
So if I extract out inside sales selling a LoopNet in tertiary markets, and I extract out verticals and real estate manager and things like that, these are little sales teams of -- just smallest sales team, which were not insignificant. There's probably a hundred some people there. And I focused on the core businesses. It really breaks into a CoStar information-oriented and commercial real estate oriented sales force. And then in Apartment, a marketing-oriented sales force. One of my big concerns, this time last year was that I did not have as big an apartment marketing sales force as my competitors did. And that was one of our disadvantages, so I was pushed to move the CoStar information sales people into supplement what we had in the apartment side. So the ApartmentFinder acquisition really solves a whole and has been exceeding expectations for the result. And especially it's different about this apartment business than from the office industrial retail business is that, the smallest cities in America play an outsized role. So Greensboro, and Biloxi, and Baton Rouge, Albany, Buffalo, they actually generate material revenue in these apartment sectors. So we did not have strong offices or personnel in those really, really small cities. And ApartmentFinder brought that to us. So it's complementary geographic distribution between where the ApartmentFinder folks are strong and where the Apartments.com people are strong. The tenure of the ApartmentFinder people we're bringing on is excellent. I mean it's not a typical that's eight years, 12 years, 14 years at NAA as I moved from little group, at the party, from little group of clients with a sales person, a little group of clients with sales person, I heard several times that this sales person was in this client's wedding party. So that's fantastic. And…
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to line of Michael Huang with Needham & Co.
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Michael Huang
Analyst
Thanks very much. Brian, so have fun with family and good luck with everything. It's been great working with you. This is just a quick one here. So I appreciate the comments around not extrapolating from the strong bookings performance that you've been seeing here. I was wondering, was there anything one-time in nature that benefited the quarterly bookings? And I guess, as you think about the year, I know that you're not going to be extrapolating aggressively here. What should we be assuming around bookings source for the year? Should that tail off a little bit, or is there a way you could walk us through that? Thanks.
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Brian Radecki
Analyst
Yes, I'll talk about. So I'm going to focus on the annualized contracts bookings number, the 25 million number. The other numbers are good number too. There's a lot of monthly stuff that comes in and out of there. Obviously all Finder stuff is monthly now. We are moving most of the apartments to annual, but there is still a lot of monthly stuff there and a lot of monthly -- three-month stuff at LoopNet. So, on the annualized number, which is really to me the key metric that we're tracking, that's obviously up fairly significantly, and that's the number -- I don't try to guide to it, Because I'll tell you quite frankly we're in uncharted territories here. Right? And that's why I'd say, it's four months into this, and I don't want to extrapolate things. I've always said this in the last two calls like let's get through one full year of the marketing campaign, and the sales stuff, and then really know what the trajectory is. Do I think we can grow that number, continue to grow at 50 plus percent for the next 50 years? No. But can we continue to grow at that rate? Possibly. We've never done it before. I mean so we're in the fourth month in, and I just think it's a spectacular number now. Obviously as we keep getting more experience each quarter, then we will continually sort of update that number. So in the annualized bookings number, there's nothing as far as I'm aware that's one-time in nature. So I think we'll just have to see how that plays out. I mean obviously there's NAA. There's a lot of big bang things upfront. So I think you have to get through a full 12-month cycle to see where we're going on that.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go to Peter Lowry with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
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Peter Lowry
Analyst
Hi, great, thanks. It sounds like the synergies in between the recent acquisitions and the information on the analytics side of the business may be going better than expected. You mentioned the revenue synergies in terms of how the territories lay out, but is there anything else that's been surprising on that front?
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Andy Florance
Analyst
And when you say it's surprising, do you mean in terms of specifically the synergies?
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Peter Lowry
Analyst
Like, worked out better than expected.
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Andy Florance
Analyst
Yes. We initially thought that the focus would be on selling the information product to the asset manager, at the owner, or at the property management firm, where property management is also involved in acquiring and disposing for their clients. So we thought we're showing more of an asset management tool with our product. And what's surprised us was that often the very same person who would make the most senior decision on the marketing was also the person that had the greatest need for tactical rental information. So you go meet with somebody, ensure the asset mangers are in there and they're interested, but the direct VP of Leasing has to manage and understand every day what all their competitors are charging for rent, and they either watch for the people who are raising or lowering their rents, and that same person is responsible for lead generation. So what thrilled us was that person when you could solve the problem that no one else could solve, because no one else is solving this problem we're solving here. There are other people, who provide information on apartment buildings, but they're updating a very small set of properties realistically with a very, very small staff. And they're doing it on a bimonthly basis typically, or a quarterly basis. And we are updating more properties and their rental information each day than I believe any of our competitors update all year long, like, update quarterly. So we're providing these people with really good pricing, competitive intelligence. And that is really compelling to them. And the great thing is they control a massive budget for marketing the properties. And then the other little secret there is that they -- it's appropriate, there's nothing wrong with it, but they have a big budget for…
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Operator
Operator
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using the AT&T Executive Teleconference. You may now disconnect.