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Constellium SE (CSTM)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 21, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Constellium Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2023. My name is Elliot, and I'll be coordinating your call today. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand over to Jason Hershiser, Director of Investor Relations. The floor is yours. Please go ahead.

Jason Hershiser

Analyst

Thank you, Elliot. I would like to welcome everyone to our fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call. On the call today, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Jean-Marc Germain; and our Chief Financial Officer, Jack Guo. After the presentation, we will have a Q&A session. A copy of the slide presentation for today's call is available on our website at constellium.com, and today's call is being recorded. Before we begin, I'd like to encourage everyone to visit the Company's website and take a look at our recent filings. Today's call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements include statements regarding the Company's anticipated financial and operating performance, future events and expectations and may involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties. For a summary of specific risk factors that could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the factors presented under the heading Risk Factors in our Annual Report on Form 20-F. All information in this presentation is as of the date of the presentation. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. In addition, today's presentation includes information regarding certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please see the reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures attached in today's slide presentation, which supplement our IFRS disclosures. I would now like to hand the call over to Jean-Marc.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Thank you, Jason, and good morning, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for your interest in Constellium. Let's begin on Slide 5. I want to start by thanking each of our 12,000 employees for their commitment and relentless focus on safety, our number one priority. Our recordable case rate this year of 1.95 per million hours worked was slightly higher than last year, but I am pleased to report that we continue to deliver best-in-class safety performance. Our safety journey is never complete, and we all need to remain focused on this critical priority every day. We remain fully committed to achieving our safety target to reduce our recordable case rate to 1.5 by 2025. Now let's turn to Slide 6 and discuss the highlights from our fourth quarter performance. Shipments were 336,000 tons, down 9% and compared to the fourth quarter of 2022 due to lower shipments in each of our segments. Revenue of €1.6 billion decreased 13% compared to last year as improved price and mix was more than offset by lower shipments and lower metal prices. Remember, while our revenues are affected by changes in metal prices, we operate a pass-through business model, which minimizes our exposure to metal price risk. Our value-added revenue, which reflects our sales, excluding the cost of metal was €681 million, down 2% compared to the same period last year. Our net income of €11 million in the quarter compares to net income of €30 million in the fourth quarter of last year. As you can see in the bridge on the top right, adjusted EBITDA was €171 million in the quarter, up 15% compared to last year and in line with our prior guidance. Also, we extended our track record of consistent free cash flow generation with €58 million in the quarter.…

Jack Guo

Analyst

Thank you, Jean-Marc, and thank you, everyone for joining the call today. Please turn now to Slide 9. Value-added revenue was €681 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, down 2% compared to the same quarter last year. Looking at the fourth quarter, volume was a headwind of €44 million due to lower shipments in each of our segments. Price and mix was a tailwind of €73 million compared to the same period last year, while metal impacts were a headwind of €10 million. The balance of the change was largely due to the sale of our German extrusion business and unfavorable FX translation. For the full-year 2023, the VAR drivers were similar. There are two important [takeaways] from this slide. First, for the full-year 2023, we grew our value-added revenue by 7% compared to 2022. And second, we continue to have pricing power. Price and mix and price specifically continues to be the biggest increment of our year-over-year variance and helped us offset significant inflationary pressures. Now turn to Slide 10. And let's focus on our P&ARP segment performance. Adjusted EBITDA of €82 million increased 16% compared to the fourth quarter last year. Volume was a headwind of €10 million with higher shipments in automotive, more than offset by lower shipments in packaging and specialty rolled products. Automotive shipments increased 2% in the quarter despite some impact from the UAW strike early in the quarter. Packaging shipments decreased 8% in the quarter versus last year. Within packaging, canstock shipments were up slightly in the quarter versus last year, but more than offset by lower shipments of specialty packaging in Europe. Price and mix was a tailwind of €21 million, primarily on improved contract pricing, including inflation-related pass-throughs. Costs were a tailwind of €2 million as favorable metal costs, inflation…

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Thank you, Jack. Let's turn to Slide 20 and discuss our current end market outlook. The majority of our portfolio today is serving end markets currently benefiting from durable sustainability-driven secular growth, in which aluminum, a light and infinitely recyclable material plays a critical role. Turning first to packaging. Canstock inventory adjustments appear largely behind us in both North America and Europe. Canstock demand has stabilized in recent quarters, though demand is still relatively low given the current inflationary environment, the lack of promotional activity and following a multiyear period of rapid growth during COVID. Even in today's environment, aluminum cans continue to outperform and win share against other substrates like plastics and glass. The long-term outlook for this end market continues to be favorable as evidenced by the growing consumer preference for the sustainable aluminum beverage cans, capacity growth plans, broadcast makers in both regions and the greenfield investments ongoing here in North America. We are expecting growth to return in canstock in 2024. And longer term, we continue to expect packaging markets to grow low to mid-single digits in both North America and Europe. We'll participate in this growth in both regions as announced at our Analyst Day two years ago. I am pleased to report that the recycling and casting center we are building at our Neuf-Brisach facility is well underway and both on time and on budget, as Jack mentioned. At Muscle Shoals, operational performance continued to improve during the fourth quarter. Last month, though, the extreme cold weather and the snow impacted operations and shipments for a full week. The plant is in the process of ramping back up now, though, this will have an impact on our first quarter results. Turning now to automotive. Auto OEM sales and production numbers globally have increased the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Katja Jancic with BMO Capital. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Katja Jancic

Analyst

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Just first on the general meeting that is going to be held in second quarter. Is that in May?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Yes, that's at the beginning of May.

Katja Jancic

Analyst

And until then on the share buybacks, you can only, I guess, due to as much as the offset dilution. And after the general meeting, you could be more aggressive. Is that fair?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Generally fair. Yes.

Katja Jancic

Analyst

And then maybe looking to 2025, you reaffirmed the over €800 million EBITDA target. Can you talk a bit about what will bridge you between 2024 and 2025?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Sure, Katja. So number one, and it's a – so if you take the midpoint of our guidance and you go to 2025 in excess of €800 million, does a €50 million increase by and large, minimum increase, that we are expecting. A large portion of it, a very large portion of it is just a startup of our recycling center in Neuf-Brisach that is starting, as Jack was saying, we're on time. On budget, starting somewhere beginning of October. So to ramp up quite rapidly, and that is going to create a lot of EBITDA going into 2025. The second aspect is we have good visibility on our aerospace demand in 2024. The challenge for us is to be able to produce everything that is asked of us. And in 2025, there is more coming. We know that. You will also have noted that we are still something like 15%, 20% below pre-COVID levels at the moment in 2023. So we've got a healthy ramp-up that continues, we will be spending a bit of money to debottleneck some of our operations to produce more aerospace products. So that's going to help us as well. And then finally, as you know, we've experienced operating challenges in Muscle Shoals in last year. We made quite a few improvements. We believe we still have some improvements we can make, and that will more than exceed the total €50 million that we need to deliver upon to bridge from 2024 to 2025.

Katja Jancic

Analyst

Thank you. I'll hop back.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

And as you can see, all of these, we've got visibility upon and they are fully within our control. So we're not betting on any wonderful days and a rosy future in the global economy in 2025.

Operator

Operator

We now turn to Corinne Blanchard with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Corinne Blanchard

Analyst

Hey, good morning. Good morning, Jean-Marc and team.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Hi, Corinne.

Corinne Blanchard

Analyst

Hey. Good morning. Could you maybe talk about how much dormant EBITDA for –you're sitting on? Thinking about the industrial extrusion business, maybe once come back? Are we talking maybe 2025, 2026? So trying to see like what the potential that could be added to the number there?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Okay. So you broke up at the beginning of your question, but I think you're asking about how much of a drag down is the specialties in general in 2023?

Corinne Blanchard

Analyst

Well, actually not the drag down but how much it could unlock from it? Can you hear me?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

I think. Yes, we can. Yes. So I think if you look at the historical volumes that we are producing in the specialty segment, so be it in a TID or in or in extrusions, you've got to make an assumption as to what do you think is a good run rate kind of mid-cycle and well below mid-cycle at the moment. And if you multiply that by a margin that's less than the average margin in this segment because in both AS&I and in A&T respectively, the extrusions of a lower margin than the average of S&I, the TID has a lower margin than the average of A&T, times the volume that you think is the gap between where we are today and where mid-cycle is. That gives you an idea of what is available to us. Knowing that because we have sold the German assets, we have less – we've got some volumes that we will not make any more in the future because of the sale of the German assets. So anyway, it would be bottom line, it would be a nice contribution, it is not needed to get to our 2025 guidance really.

Corinne Blanchard

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And maybe for the second question, for the A&T business, can you just talk about how we should think about the margin going forward? Because it has been actually quite strong in 2023. And I think above what people were thinking it would be. So should we base 2024 and 2025 looking back at 2023? Or should we still consider more like the $1,000 or €1,000 per ton guidance that you provided a year-ago?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Yes, the $1,000 or €1000 per ton is more a mid-cycle number, right, which factors in aerospace not being as buoyant as it is today and TID being a little bit stronger, which has a lower margin, right, than A&T. At the moment, in the current conditions, it's fair to say that you should expect us to be closer to the 2023 actuals than at the midpoint yet. I mean as I commented, we have good visibility on aerospace. We believe the market is going to be very strong in 2024, very strong in 2025. Barring any exceptional crisis that can always happen. But in the current visibility we have, we believe we have a good shot at being towards the higher end of that margin. Jack, do you want to add anything?

Jack Guo

Analyst

Yes. I mean the only thing I would add there, Corinne is, as the TID business expect to recover a little bit this year without eating to the margin a little bit relative to the margin from last year, so just a point to consider.

Corinne Blanchard

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Peterson with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Bill Peterson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Bill.

Bill Peterson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I guess if we think about – yes, good morning. You mentioned some of the end markets remain soft, but you also commented about the weather conditions for Muscle Shoals. I guess for the latter, can you quantify the impact in terms of maybe quarter-on-quarter or year-on-year comparison? And I guess, if it is down for a week, that would kind of imply sort of a high single-digit type of shipment loss, but I'm not sure if that's the right way to think about it. And then just really trying to understand just the near-term demand drivers impacting the first quarter. If you can kind of help us understand by end market, what you're seeing and maybe even including commenting by region.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. So Bill, on the impact, I mean, I think it will all depend of the Muscle Shoals situation in Q1. It will all depend on how much ground we can make up and all that. So in the quarter it's not over. But I think in terms of misshipments, you're absolutely right. The plant is at a stand still for a week. So – and it's supposed to be a week where you produce your easily in the 10kt range. So the market conditions we're seeing right now. So we're seeing can strong in North America, a little bit weak still in Europe, but better than it has been. We are seeing the aerospace market very good in Q1. And in terms of auto, there's a divergence between North America and Europe. Europe is slow and North America is extremely strong to the point that we are challenged to make everything we need to make in North America. And finally, on specialties, we don't see yet a rebound. But we're seeing a few green shoots here and there. Some customers are being a little bit more optimistic, but it's – that's why we think the market may turn this year, but we are not seeing really tangible massive evidence of that just yet. Did I answer your question?

Bill Peterson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. No, that's very helpful. Maybe in terms of capital allocation, it's great to see the leverage where it is and of course, the announced buyback and realizing you have the May – meeting to define how that can look further. But I guess holistically, would you think of this – would you want to put this in a way to be sort of like a payout ratio, a percentage of free cash flow or opportunistic if you were to think about this in the second half of the year and beyond?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. So Bill, I think the way we look at the capital allocation is fundamentally, we want a balanced capital allocation. We are committed to this $300 million share repurchase program through the end of 2026. How exactly it unfolds, still to be determined. But as I said, we will update you on a quarterly basis. We think it's – we look at it in the – from the viewpoint of we want to have good returns on every capital allocation we make. We want it to be balanced so that there's a balance between returning money to shareholders, continuing to invest in the business, building the financial flexibility. And over time, if you – which I'm sure you do, you run the numbers, you will see that the company, even though at a $300 million free cash flow – sorry, share repurchase buyback, the company continues to delever. And we certainly don't – we want to stay within our 1.5x to 2.5x range. So as we do that, we're building flexibility and over time, that shareholder return program will certainly continue. Jack, anything you want to add?

Jack Guo

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. I mean, Bill, the only thing I would add is I don't – we don't want to be too prescriptive we want to – in terms of like a ratio per se, I think we want to maintain some of the flexibility. It's the first time we are executing a share buyback program. It will – from an execution perspective, will be quite hands off and leverage the 10b5 program.

Bill Peterson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. If I could sneak in one more. So I guess if you think about the broader scrap market in the U.S. and Europe, I guess we're wondering, is there – do you think there's sufficient supply to meet the growing demand needs, especially with two new rolling mills ramping in the U.S?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes, definitely. So I think the rolling mills are ramping up later in the decade as you know. The market continues to grow. There is more aluminum being used, and therefore, more aluminum being recycled naturally. And then with the focus on more of a circular economy, one should expect that also the recycle rate is going to improve. So yes, we believe there is ample supply of scrap. And by the way, both Europe and North America are today exporting a significant amount of scraps to Asia, which is a bit of a waste. And if we can find a more economical way to recycle the scrap domestically, then obviously, that's addressing a problem and finding a profitable solution for a problem that exists today, which is this leakage of scrap to faraway countries. So yes, I think we're in very good shape for this decade at least.

Bill Peterson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks for the insights and I'll pass on. Congrats on the execution.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We now turn to Curt Woodworth with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Curt Woodworth

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. Good morning, Jean-Marc. Question on P&ARP. So if we look at EBITDA per ton this quarter at €345, that's the highest we've seen in many years despite volumes being the lowest that you've had all year. So can you kind of comment on, I guess, margin expectation for that business going forward? How you see net price into 2024?

Jack Guo

Analyst

Yes, Curt, maybe I'll take this one. So I think – I mean, first of all, a tremendous achievement in the fourth quarter, as you've noted. And with a margin profile that's over €300 per ton. I would say when we look at 2024, it will continue to be a year transition in terms of costs. Yes, inflation has moderated, has eased but the absolute cost level remained substantial in terms of labor energy. We do have a slower start in some of the end markets that Jean-Marc talked about they have the weather event Muscle Shoals that's impacting first quarter results. And the aluminum market aluminum price remains low, which obviously impacts our scrap profit in the business unit. So I think 2024 expected to be a year in transition, probably some for modeling perspective similar to 2023, but we'll look – we're confident in getting the margin profile to over €300 per ton over time.

Curt Woodworth

Analyst

Okay. And then in terms of the aerospace, can you talk a little bit about volume expectations for this year in terms of how your nominations have come in? And then you noted Airware continues to be strong. So should we expect that your mix profile will be similar or better in 2024 relative to 2023?

Jack Guo

Analyst

Yes. It will continue to be favorable. We had favorable micro mix within aerospace within A&T, and within aerospace portfolio. So continue to expect that going forward into 2024. And then in terms of volume, we do expect volume to be higher in 2024 versus 2023.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

But not yet at pre-COVID levels.

Curt Woodworth

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just lastly, in terms of the guidance, what is the expectation for the net price realization this year?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

What do you mean by net price realization cut? Sorry.

Curt Woodworth

Analyst

Do you expect net price to be favorable, so your price and mix will offset inflationary pressures in the business? And if so, to what extent?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

I see. Well, I don't think we want to go into that level of detail, Curt. I think we are very comfortable with our guidance of €740 million to €770 million. There's many moving parts to it. So clearly, with less inflation, there will be less of a price mix benefit with less cost pressure, exactly how it pans out. It's a bit too early to tell.

Curt Woodworth

Analyst

All right. Thanks very much.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Thank you.

Jack Guo

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Sullivan with The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Joshua Sullivan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Josh.

Joshua Sullivan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Just within the Aerospace segment, you mentioned good visibility. But just given the potential moving production timelines from one of the aero OEMs here, are there any noticeable changes in either min/maxes or contract prices in different geographies at this point?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Not really, Josh. I mean as you know, we are more exposed to Airbus than we are to Boeing. That was the case before the 737 MAX issues and all the tail of issues that Boeing has had to deal with. So we are even less exposed to Boeing today than we were at the time. It continues to be an important, a very important customer of ours. But in the grand scheme of things because we are on so many platforms, with so many OEMs. If one aircraft doesn't sell, another one sells, and we are also in that aircraft. So all-in-all, we are not seeing an impact for us, and the demand continues to be very strong. Our pricing is essentially set through our multiyear contracts. So we got very good visibility.

Joshua Sullivan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And then maybe just on Airware. As wide-body production increases, where are you on Airware capacity? Are you positioned with enough to meet end of decade kind of A350, A220 production plans here?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So we are starting to be quite tight on capacity, and we will be looking at ways to expand our capacity in that segment.

Joshua Sullivan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Got it. And then just one more, just given some delays in some of these proposed new packaging capacity projects throughout the industry, have you seen any customer response for Constellium engagement, I guess, just looking at your capacity is more stable?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. So Josh, yes, there's a little bit of a shift to the right in terms of how the market is developing. What it means for us is some of the investments we are planning to make, we will push them out to later in time, which means that you should expect our CapEx to be in 2025 and onwards, a little bit lower than what we communicated at the time of the Investor Day two years ago. And that's just reflecting the realities of the market and back to the capital allocation discussion, making sure that we put our dollars to the best return possible.

Joshua Sullivan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you for the time.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Sure.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We now turn to Sean Wondrack with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions, today. The first one housekeeping here. The UAW strike, was there any impact in Q4? I don't think so, but just wanted to check there?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Yes. So it did have a bit of an impact, Sean. But the few million dollars of EBITDA in Q4.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then what you think….

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Sean, and essentially in AS&I.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Got you. Okay. And then I thought it was interesting your comment about how in Auto, you're seeing strength in the U.S. and weakness in Europe. I was wondering if you could kind of peel away if that comment a little bit more for us, please?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Yes. I think the – in Europe, we see the European market being a little bit weaker and also the German OEMs having more difficulties selling their cars overseas. So that's, I think, what is driving the weakness in Europe at the moment.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Got you. Okay. And obviously, you've done a great job with the capital structure. It's nice to see you within the new leverage target range. You were clear about share repurchases on the call. Just my question is, in terms of M&A, you have these three segments up and running really well now. Could there be a consideration if you saw the right deal to maybe add another leg to the stool here or to maybe tack on something to one of your existing segments? Just kind of curious how you're thinking about that at this point?

Jack Guo

Analyst

Yes. It's a really good question. So I think – and that sort of goes back to keeping a balanced capital allocation approach. And going back to the intention of returning a large portion of our free cash flow towards share repurchase, but while maintaining some flexibility and maintaining flexibility both financially and potentially strategically. I think our approach when it comes to M&A, as you know, is quite conservative. We want to make sure we do the right deals for our shareholders. So we'll be highly selective. But these – so we would consider tuck-in acquisition opportunities at great value.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Right. No, that makes a lot of sense. And then I guess just one last one. Are there further opportunities to marry additional recycling facilities with your manufacturing facilities? And just when we think about that, how important is it to be early to that game or first mover as we think about this in time?

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Yes. So Sean, there is definitely an opportunity for us to increase our recycling content, our recycling operations, a mix of metal that comes in, that is scrap as opposed to primary. And we will continue to make investments in that domain. And these investments will be organic and could be also M&A. But it is clearly a priority of ours to continue to increase our recycling footprint and capacity.

Sean Wondrack

Analyst

Got it. Thank you very much for taking my questions. Appreciate it.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Sure.

Jack Guo

Analyst

Thank you, Sean.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our Q&A. I'll now hand back to Jean-Marc Germain, CEO of Constellium for final remarks.

Jean-Marc Germain

Analyst

Well, thank you very much. We are very proud with our progress. As you can see, this demonstrates – our performance demonstrates that we are really focused on value in the context of quite a few markets that are down our profitability continues to improve, and we are very confident in the future as evidenced by the announcement of our share repurchase program. I look forward to updating you on our progress in April. Thank you very much, everybody. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, today's call has now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.