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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Sat, Aug 10, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Cubic Corporation's Third Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the conference over to your host, Kirsten Nielsen, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Nielsen, you may begin.

Kirsten Nielsen

Analyst

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining Cubic's webcast. I'm joined today by Brad Feldmann, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Anshooman Aga, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we began, I'll remind everyone that our presentation contains forward-looking statements that are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. Our most recent SEC filings include risk factors that could cause the Company's actual results to differ materially from our expectations. In addition, we have included non-GAAP financial measures in our discussion. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in today's press release and in the appendix to today's presentation. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Brad.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Thank you, Kirsten. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. On today's call, I will start by discussing our third quarter and year-to-date performance for fiscal year 2019, followed by an update on our strategic priorities, then I'll turn the call over to Anshooman, who will cover the financial results. Starting with Slide 3, sales for the third quarter were $382.7 million, a 29% increase compared to the third quarter of last fiscal year. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 was $30.6 million, a 9 % increase compared to the third quarter of last year and Q3 adjusted earnings per share were $0.66, a 38% increase over the third quarter of fiscal 2018. Anshooman will discuss the quarterly financial results in more detail, including the narrowing of our financial guidance. We are very pleased with our year-to-date performance, with sales up 25%, adjusted EBITDA up 26% and adjusted earnings per share up more than 50%, reflecting project delivery on our major transportation contracts, strong demand across the Mission Solutions portfolio and the impact of our recent acquisitions. We expect continued growth based on our high backlog of $3.7 billion and robust pipeline. A key highlight for this quarter is that our Mission Solutions business acquired 20% of Pixia, a commercial technology company that provides high-performance platform solutions to manage massive amounts of imagery data for the United States intelligence agencies and other customers. We also have the option to purchase the remaining 80% by February 2020. Lastly, we're pleased to see that the White House and Congress reached a two-year budget deal, which sets defense budget levels at $738 billion and $740.5 billion and non-defense budget levels at $632 billion and $643.5 billion, respectively, for FY '20 and '21. We see this as a positive outcome as it avoids sequestration and it…

Anshooman Aga

Analyst

Thank you, Brad. Please turn to Slide 7 to cover the financial highlights for the quarter. Sales in Q3 were $383 million, up 31% year-over-year on a constant currency basis, driven by organic growth from Transportation and Mission Solutions and the impact of our Trafficware in GRIDSMART acquisition. The impact from the new revenue recognition standard, ASC 606 had a favorable impact on quarterly sales of $15 million, including the Boston project. Excluding Boston ASC 606 impacted sales negatively by $5 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $30.6 million, an increase up 11% on a constant currency basis. Adjusted EBITDA margins are down year-on -year, primarily as a result of investments in Mission Solutions to drive future growth and a tough comparable to strong CTS margins in Q3 last year. Adjusted EPS increased 38% to $0.66 per share. Free cash flow was $32.9 million in the third quarter and adjusted free cash flow, excluding the impact of the Boston consolidation, was $52.5 million. Free cash flow was supported by the milestone payments related to the New York contract, as well as $45 million in net proceeds from the sale of real estate in San Diego and Orlando. Including the real estate sale proceeds and free cash flow is consistent with the treatment of capital investments in our facilities in recent and future years, which also helped enable the real estate sales. We expect further improvement in the fourth quarter, driven by shipments in our Mission Solutions business and additional milestone, payments in Transportation. Turning to Slide 8, we continue to optimize our real estate. By 2021, we expect to reduce our real estate footprint by approximately 15%, cut our owned real estate by more than half while providing our employees with a modern cost effective environment. In June, we…

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Turning to Slide 14, in summary, we delivered strong revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EPS growth year-on-year, as well as improved free cash flow. Year-to-date Mission Solutions and Transportation delivered robust sales and we continue to expect Defense Training to return to growth with our recent wins as well as upcoming opportunities for our live virtual constructive solutions and expected near-term international orders. Our investment in Pixia brings technology-driven market leading solutions to manage massive quantities of data for the United States intelligence agencies and other customers. As we enter the final two months of fiscal 2019, we remain focused on meeting our commitments. We remain confident in our full year outlook, driven by our planned schedule on our major Transportation projects, improvement Defense Training, and our expected shipments in Mission Solutions, all of which is in backlog, giving us good visibility in CMS. Now, let's proceed to the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jon Raviv from Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

JonRaviv

Analyst

Hey. Good afternoon, everyone. Brad and Anshooman, on the CMS performance, and clearly so, this question sort of refers to sales and margin. I know it can be a very lumpy business. Was there any timing benefit or pull forward on the sales line in 3Q, verse 4Q this year? And then also on the margin, can you just go through some of those adjustments, and sort of should we continue to expect to see those sorts of adjustments going forward in terms of bringing on new contracts or this was just a reflection of the maturity level of some of these projects and heading into 2020 and beyond things will smooth out their?

BradFeldmann

Analyst

Yes. This is Brad. There was some sales we got done in the third quarter because as you know, we had regular order this year and we got the orders earlier, and so we were able ship earlier. Having said that, we will continue to see great growth in the fourth quarter and we would expect to have margin expansion in the Fourth quarter similar to last year.

AnshoomanAga

Analyst

Jon, on your point on the one-time investment, the investment for the contract that we took, that was more of a one-time expense there. Basically, as we book the contract, all of the cost to deliver the initial units were taken upfront. As we get incremental orders these will be high margin incremental orders in the future.

JonRaviv

Analyst

And Anshooman, following up on that point, can you just add some perspective as to why that's the economic model here, is it customer just saying, hey, you guys pay for it upfront, and we'll get you back later? Why did that expense all fall in one quarter?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst

So when you enter a program, you get the initial production orders, which are a few units. So you have to take the cost of development of these initial units and charge it to project which leads to a forward loss position. All the units you get for delivery after the initial delivery are at very high margins because the cost of the R&D is already been expensed to the initial production order. So, for example, you might get 10 units of delivery initially on a program that will have a few hundred after that. All the cost of the R&D went to the first few 10 units in this example.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti from Needham & Company. Please proceed with your question.

JimRicchiuti

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon. Hello, Brad. Can you provide us with an update on the major Transportation contracts? Where do you stand with Boston, how is New York progressing and what's the pipeline look like for some of the other business that you're pursuing?

BradFeldmann

Analyst

So as you know, Jim, we rolled out the first milestone in New York on time. And the next portions will go from Thanksgiving through the next couple of years after that. The project is proceeding well, the customer is very happy. In Boston, we're renegotiating some of the milestones. The customer wants different equipment sets, some related to their public policy with regard to their distribution networks. So, we're working with them in a positive manner. Brisbane is ramping up, as you would expect, and San Francisco as well, so we'll see great growth in that business. Based on our backlog, things are going well. In terms of getting new orders and new backlog, I mentioned in the call that, we put in some fairly sizable proposals in both Singapore and Hong Kong. We're working hard on our mid-market strategy, talked about some effort in Canada. We won a order in Dublin. In terms of big cities, Singapore is large, Hong Kong is large. We've talked about Toronto, that's also large. And we're very fortunate that we have this very large base of business and we're going, providing proposals to our customers for upgrades that are sizable as well. So we would expect, next year to book quite a bit of business.

JimRicchiuti

Analyst

That's helpful, and if I could just change gears for a second. Can you talk a little bit about the investment in Pixia and how this perhaps fits in with the broader CMS portfolio?

BradFeldmann

Analyst

I'll talk about the fit and we'll let Anshooman deal with the economics. So, as you know, we made a bet in CMS on what I call the insatiable appetite for full motion video, pictures worth a thousand words, so that we can help our military have awareness of what's happening on the battlefield. As you know, we have distribution systems with Teralogics. We have satellite systems to move these things around. We have networking systems and so it all fits in moving full motion video around. We know that post 9/11, full motion video - we wanted to provide to Sergeant Jones, for instance, on the other side of the building in a counter-terrorism play. What Pixia provides is, they're doing the processing and storage and retrieval of very similar data called wide-area motion imagery. And so wide-area motion imagery is like taking a picture of a big swath of a city and then when you see something of interest, you take this soda straw, if you will, and you take full motion video of it. So, it's sort of like helping you understand what's going on in a big swath area and then using our full motion video. So, I don't want to call it ham and eggs, but they're very much related.

JimRicchiuti

Analyst

Got it. And --

BradFeldmann

Analyst

Jim on the economics, as we mentioned earlier in the prepared remarks, we bought 20%. We have an option to get the remaining 80% of the business. The business has good platform, software platform like margins, business is grow, and the multiple on 2019 earnings is going to be very attractive.

BradFeldmann

Analyst

And I might also add, it was probably noticeable, but Anshooman did a terrific job of rationalizing our real estate footprint and those proceeds that you could argue weren't earning that good of a return, have been parlayed into a business that will have software platform kinds of margins. So, great for shareholders.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes line of Ken Herbert from Canaccord. Please proceed with your question.

KenHerbert

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Yes. Hi, Brad. I just wanted to first ask, it sounds like you've got very good visibility on the full year 2019 expectations with tightening the guidance range, and like in prior years, about 50% of your EBITDA is going to come in the fourth quarter. Are there any areas you would specifically highlight as risk areas, as we think about the forth quarter or if timing of the budget in there is in fact a CR, or is there anything else in particular you'd point to that could be a risk or is the confidence level very high on the fourth quarter and thus the full year?

BradFeldmann

Analyst

Confidence level is very high, all in backlog, teams working day and night to push it through.

KenHerbert

Analyst

Okay. That's great. And if I could, Anshooman, I just wanted to ask cash flows. I mean, it looks like this year with the projects and everything, there's a very significant investment in working capital and the business is really using a lot of cash, at least, through the first nine months of the year. How should we think about that maybe in the fourth quarter? And I know you don't typically give guidance on this, but then I guess more importantly, as we think about transitioning from 19 Into '20, where do you see - it sounds like working capital could be a big opportunity, but where do you see the opportunities to drive improvement here, specifically as we transition into '20?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst

Thanks, Ken. So going into '20, I as I mentioned first for fiscal '19 on the call, we expect cash flow to be positive in Q4 again. And then going into '20, we expect it'll be positive for the year also, given the fact that we'll have a lot of the milestone payments from our big Transportation contracts coming in. Brad talked a little bit about the schedule where we'll make good progress with production milestones that lead to cash. So, there were be positive cash flow from that. And also, the defense budget, what happens is, if we can get the orders early and we will start - be able to convert lot of inventory into receivables and into cash, which we also expect some cash to come in from August deliveries in September, for example, this year. So overall definitely a better year in 2020 from cash perspective as we reduce our working capital again.

KenHerbert

Analyst

Okay. That's great. And at the risk of maybe getting too far out ahead here, is there a way we should think about conversion, either on an adjusted EBITDA basis for free cash flow, as this business gets to a more normal level, any numbers Anshooman you'd be prepared to put out on a conversion basis?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst

So, given that we're a project business, there are a little bit of lumps on a year to year basis. So if you start thinking on two or three year horizon from a cash flow perspective, there is no reason why we shouldn't be converting our net income into cash, that given our amortization, that gives us some contingency for growth in the business as we continue to grow. We have aggressive growth targets. So, that's a good way to think of it in two or three year chunks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Strouse from JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

MarkStrouse

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking our questions. Hey, Brad. How are you doing? So I wanted to follow up on Jim's question on Boston. I understand that things can change in a negotiation, but on a net-net basis, are these changes that could potentially add to the value of that contract? Or is this potentially something that would eat into you costs?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

They will add to the value of the contract.

MarkStrouse

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Good to hear. And then with Pixia, I understand you're not quite ready to give a lot of detail there on the financials, but Is there a material contribution to fiscal fourth quarter, to the remainder of fiscal year '19 guidance?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst · your question.

There is actually no contribution to the fourth quarter guidance because given we have only bought 20%, we will account under the equity method, and in our adjusted EBITDA, we don't count equity income as adjusted EBITDA. So, from adjusted EBITDA perspective, it won't be material. There will be some impact to out GAAP EPS. Obviously, positive impact to our GAAP EPS.

MarkStrouse

Analyst · your question.

Got it.

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

But on a longer period of time, it will have very positive impact to Cubic as we buy the rest of the company?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from line of Louie DiPalma from William Blair. Please proceed with the question.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Hello. Good afternoon, everybody. Brad, should the future booking associated - can you hear me?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · the question.

I can hear you fine.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Should the bookings associated with the live virtual constructive product line and the recent international win drive an inflection to positive Defense Training growth for the full fiscal 2020 year, next year?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · the question.

Yes.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Great. And for ANshooman, you just mentioned in one of your answers that you expect positive free cash flow generation for next year. What are those specific Transportation milestones in Boston and New York City that we should be looking out for that you are expecting to receive?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst · the question.

So, a lot of them will be - so we did beneficial use one for New York. We'll have the next beneficial use and there'll be further deliveries and as we deliver, we're going to start getting cash on those. In Boston, there'll be production, which once we go to production on the hardware there will be milestones. And for the other projects also as we get into the milestones of production, as we get into the initial phased delivery of the projects. of those come with milestone payments that help with our cash flow and reducing our working capital.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

And should San Francisco and Brisbane have any major cash impact for fiscal 2020?

AnshoomanAga

Analyst · the question.

Not material in a negative way.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Okay. And investors often ask what the future market opportunity available for Cubic is after you guys have already won large contracts for New York City, London, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, et cetera. In the scripted remarks and in the Q&A, you referenced opportunities in Dublin, Singapore, Hong Kong and San Francisco and Metco at the recent New York Stock Exchange presentation also referenced that he expects Toronto to come up for bid next year. Collectively, what is the potential size of all of these new opportunities and do you think the size of these new opportunities is as big as your same-store sales from all of your existing customers?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · the question.

It'll be very significant. Of course, we're in a competitive environment. We certainly believe that we have a strong edge given our patron share advantage, as you pointed out, but significant hundreds of millions of dollars on the aggregate, so it'll be very significant Louie.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Thanks.

AnshoomanAga

Analyst · the question.

And Louie, I think the other important pieces what Brad mentioned is our installed base upgrades which can add significant bookings and revenue also for us in the future.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Thanks, Anshooman.

BradFeldmann

Analyst · the question.

Louie, we're going to continue to grow this business significantly.

LouieDiPalma

Analyst · the question.

Yes. And investors, they're looking at the future market opportunities and you listed a lot of them. I think you referenced Philadelphia and Toronto as two big ones and we've been getting a lot of questions on when those could be material for you guys and what's the opportunity for you to...

BradFeldmann

Analyst · the question.

Sorry, Louie. Some will start next year for sure, and some the year after. But they will be great opportunity to grow and as you know we are working hard in the mid-market as well, that's a relatively new market for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jon Raviv from Citigroup Inc. Please proceed with your question.

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

Hey, thanks for taking the follow-up guys. So we can all appreciate the story behind offering up goal 2020. I was wondering if you could think about how that story might evolve as we do approach 2020? What are the parameters, the way you think about the business over a couple of more years and when you might think you might communicate, if at all, those sorts of multiyear goals?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

Stay tuned for the next call in November. But what I would say is, as you know, we hired a Chief Digital Officer and we're working hard at trying to create digital platforms to accelerate the revenue growth of our existing businesses and we believe there is significant opportunity there to do that. So we'll talk about that in the November call.

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

Appreciate that, Brad. Oftentimes we saw it on display this quarter, but oftentimes when you make investments to accelerate growth sometimes it does come at the expense of profitability. With all the opportunities you see in the market, your Chief Digital Officer, is there a chance that just the profitability of the business could stay flatter for longer as you harvest some of those returns back into business or do you view this as an accelerating growth and accelerating profit type business as you roll out these new business models, so to speak?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

We think the latter.

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

In a few words. Appreciate that, Brad. And then the last thing from me is just on the mid-market at CTS. I think we've been on the impression that that could be a good margins as there is kind of a lot of rinse and repeat, so to speak, not to minimize the complexity, but it's doing things over multiple. As you move into this strategy, what are you seeing in terms of potential returns in the mid-market, including how things are structured with Delerrok as you pursue that opportunity? Thank you.

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

Yes. So we believe that there's an opportunity to create platforms to provide fare and information services in middle market cities. Middle market cities generally don't have a lot of CapEx and we believe we will be able to scale within the cloud and take a piece of OpEx so we can provide these services. And of course, when the engineering is done or nearly done the cost to add another city aren't that significant. And so the revenue function should go up at a much higher clip than the cost function.

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

And the strategy in terms of dealing with Delerrok?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

Yes, so Delerrok is one of the pieces. There are some other things that we're working on. As you know, we have this outfit called NextBus, and we have been doing some artificial intelligence, machine learning, algorithms to have a better guess about when the bus is going to show up. We've been working very hard on our mobile app offering, we've been working on our platform, we've been working on some things related to other adjacent revenue streams associated with that, and so we see it as a great opportunity

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

We should put this under the category some of the sales synergies from the acquisitions that you are doing?

BradFeldmann

Analyst · your question.

I think that's right. But also, I think the business model is a little bit different in the sense that it would be by the fare based as opposed to put a system in and get paid for that. And so every time someone would take a ride, or take the journey, the revenue meter would click.

JonRaviv

Analyst · your question.

Understood. Thanks a lot for the extra time there Brad. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session and I will now turn the call over to Brad Feldman for closing remarks.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Thank you. We are pleased with our progress to-date, and we remain very focused on meeting our commitments in the fourth quarter. Thank you for joining us today on the call.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. And you may disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.