Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Customers Bancorp, Inc. Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dave Patti, Director of Corporate Communications. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Raquel, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for the Customers Bancorp Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Webcast. Our earnings release was issued last night, along with our investor presentation. Both are posted on the Investor Relations page of the company's website at www.customersbank.com. Our investor presentation includes important details that we will walk through on this morning's webcast, and I encourage everyone to pull the topic. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that some of the statements we make today may be considered forward-looking. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual performance results to differ materially from what is currently anticipated. Please note that these forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this presentation, and we undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events except to the extent required by applicable securities laws. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our Form 10-K and 10-Q for a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results. Copies may be obtained from the SEC or by visiting the Investor Relations section of our website. At this time, it's my pleasure to introduce Customers Bancorp's CEO, Jay Sidhu. Jay, the floor is yours.

Thank you very much, Dave, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us for the call this morning. Joining me today are Dick Ehst, our President and Chief Executive Officer of Customers Bank; Carla Leibold, our Chief Financial Officer of Customers Bank Corporate bank; Samvir Sidhu, who is our Vice Chairman and Chief Operating Officer of Customers Bank; and Jim Collins, who is our Chief Administrative Officer of Customer Bank; and Andy Bowman, our Chief Credit Officer, of Customers Bank. We are really thrilled to report another strong quarter of financial results despite a challenging economic environment. As you know, our GAAP income of $47 million or $1.48 per diluted share is up 100% over Q3 2019. And our revenues are up 42% over last year while we've held our expense growth to 10%, and this is during a time period when we faced headwinds from the Durbin, application of the Durbin on our interchange income. Before I open up and discuss a little bit of our results, I'd like to recognize our team members as well as our executive management team. I'm so privileged and we are also privileged to be working with an exceptional team and really want to thank them and recognize them for their absolute commitment and hard work to help produce this kind of results. Today, we will organize our presentation into these five or six subsections. First, will be able to discuss with you our financial highlights. Then we will talk about capital trends and as well as our strategy to improve our capital. Then a major strength of our company is our credit quality, and Andy Bowman will discuss that in detail with you. We will briefly discuss our strategic priorities. And then we…

Alright, thank you, Jay. And good morning, everyone. I'd like to take a few minutes and share with you some slides, evidencing our continued strong credit performance and continued commitment to overall sound credit quality throughout the organization. As outlined on Slide 10, our credit quality remains strong, and we feel very good about how our portfolio is holding up against the many economic, social and political pressures brought about by COVID-19. As Jay has already mentioned, our NPAs have decreased only 34 basis points mainly due to the successful sale of a large Class A commercial office building NPA in the third quarter. And at this time, we do not see any significant NPA increases moving forward. In addition, we continue to aggressively move for the dissolution of our sole remaining large NPA of approximately $18 million and hope to have the matter resolved by the end of the first quarter of 2021. Although we are extremely pleased with our NPA performance, we've opted, as Jay has mentioned, to retain a strong reserve position given the continued uncertainties associated with the social and economic impacts of COVID-19 and the political landscape. And this is a perfect transition moving on to Slide 11. Slide 11 outlines our CECL and reserve build, which is predicated upon a detailed portfolio-by-portfolio assessment based upon various macroeconomic factors as impacted by COVID-19 and by deep dive into individual portfolio attributes as impacted by said macroeconomic and COVID banking factors. The reserve build also takes into account actual charge-off rates and the level of nonperforming assets, with the end results for Q3 being reserve of nearly $155.6 million or just over 2% of loans held for sale. This equates to an approximate 245 coverage of nonperforming loans. And we are confident that with this level…

Thanks, Andy. Good morning, everyone. Beginning with Slide 19, we wanted to take an opportunity to continue to update you on previously disclosed information on our consumer installment portfolio. As discussed, we have a very highly diversified portfolio with over a 740 average FICO, no subprime loans, a 21% debt-to-income ratio, and over $100,000 in borrower income. Flipping to Slide 20. Here, you will see that our CB direct and CB marketplace on our portfolios continue to remain strong and perform materially better than the industry. At peak, our portfolio has remained less than half of the industry average, and CB direct loans are approximately 70% below the industry average. As Andy referenced earlier, our installment loan COVID deferrals were down to 1.2% at quarter end and since then have dropped further to 1% as of last week. Our CB Direct forbearance is now down to just nine basis points with 30-day plus delinquencies at only 60 basis points. Both of these numbers are on top of where we were at the end of February pre-pandemic. finally, charge-offs are trending approximately 40% better in the portfolio than we had projected year-to-date at only $21.4 million versus about $35 million, which, as you can appreciate, is significantly less than our 6.5% CECL reserve. As you can see, we continue to be very pleased with overall portfolio performance and the data-driven approach to onboarding new customers and portfolios the bank has proven to be industry-leading and franchise enhancing. Moving to Slide 21. We highlight one of our biggest achievements over the past one to two years, which has been the improvement in our deposit mix. We are and will continue to be less reliant on borrowings going forward than we have been historically, although this may not be fully apparent today due…

Thanks, Sam, and good morning, everyone. Moving on to the financial guidance on Slide 25. We believe we are well positioned to execute on our 2020, 2021 and 2026 objectives. Loan growth, excluding PPP and mortgage warehouse balances, are expected to average in the mid to high single digits over the next several quarters. Total assets are projected to be between $12 billion and $13 billion at year-end 2020, excluding the PPP loans and subject to refinance activity impacting our loans to mortgage companies. Our total risk-based capital ratio is expected to exceed 12% by year-end 2020 and to be around 14% by year-end 2021. Our preferred equity will not be called in 2020 or 2021. We project the NIM to be in the 2.90% to 3% range for the full year 2020, excluding PPP loans. And operating expenses are expected to be flat to up moderately over the next few quarters excluding the impact of the BankMobile divestiture. We will maintain discipline in controlling our operating expenses while continuing to invest in the future, improving positive operating leverage. The effective tax rate is forecast to be between 20% and 21% for 2020. Our PPP revenues are on target, and the program is expected to earn about $100 million in pre-tax origination fees. A run rate of $3 in core EPS is expected for 2020 and 2021, and we're still on track for $6 in core EPS for 2026. Our 2020 NIM expansion and profitability targets will be achieved by maintaining or improving asset quality even in stressed periods, reducing future allowance for credit losses, provision expenses. On the asset side, measured growth while focusing on maintaining or increasing asset yields, disciplined pricing on origination of high credit quality loans, also protecting spreads by building into floors. And on the deposit side, we will continue to grow core deposits and continue to experience repricing in 2020. Beginning in the third quarter of 2020, our digital expense deposits repriced down in excess of 100 basis points. We have $466 million of CDs that mature in the fourth quarter of 2020 and are expected to reprice down significantly. And our goal remains to bring down the total cost of deposits to less than 50 basis points in the near future. Lastly, on Slide 26, we wanted to provide a path to the core EPS target of $6 by 2026. Assuming a position of $12 billion to $13 billion in assets and 31.7 million diluted shares outstanding by the end of this year, we've assumed a growth assumption of 7% to 10% per year on average through 2026, a 1% per annum increase in diluted shares, and a return on average assets between 1% and 1.1%. And you can see that, that would generate about $200 million in net income or $6 in core EPS, which we believe is a significant value proposition. And with that, I'll turn it back over to you, Jay.

Thank you. Thank you very much, Carla. Before we open it up for Q&A, I'd like to touch very briefly on a few points. Number one is we are we are in some negotiations with very attractive teams that we expect to onboard in the next few months. Some of them are related to some bonuses that they will be taking from their previous employer. So, we see this is a very, very opportunistic time to attract tremendous talent to support the execution of our strategies and so look for those that news are coming from us over the next few months. Number two is we touched on digitization of the bank. And if you have any questions, Jim Collins, our Chief Administrative Officer, would be happy to discuss that with you. And that is has been a very significant effort. It's not just new. It's been going on for a while. And we have been expensing and investing toward achievement of our objectives in that area. And we have also combined that now with a zero-based budgeting initiative that's going on throughout the company, and that's why we are very hopeful that we'll be able to moderate the core expense growth, excluding BankMobile technology-related expenses. And we should still be able to add and absorb additional incremental expenses for revenue generators that we are attracting. From a credit quality point of view, I couldn't agree more with Andy that the strength of our company is credit quality, and you should not expect any surprises based upon what we see today. And it's our very data-driven analytical analysis bottomed up and stress testing that we do at the loan level as well as stress testing from a COVID impact point-of-view of the entire portfolio, and we are very confident about…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Steve Moss with B. Riley Securities.

Just if we could start with the PPP applications. Kind of curious here as to what level of -- for given this applications you've seen and just kind of how you're thinking about process?

Steve, this is Sam. I'd be happy to take that. So as you can appreciate, there have been some delays from the SBA's perspective from forgiveness acceptance as well as from Congress' perspective from putting out a potential blanket forgiveness for smaller loan sizes. So, our projection that we had shared previous quarter still holds is that we expect approximately 90% of loans to be forgiven, approximately 95% of our loans, and about half of our loan balances are below $150,000. And as Jay mentioned, we would expect, given where we are at the end of the year and with the election coming up that the forgiveness will likely be a first half, more likely a Q1, hopefully, event.

Okay. So, just in terms of applications being processed at the different time, it's pretty minimal. It is kind of --.

It's minimal. Yes, it's less than 5% of our overall loans, which were north of $100,000.

Okay, that's helpful. And then in terms of just on the mortgage warehouse, I mean peer was big, but the average balance was pretty good as well. Just kind of curious, what was the percentage that was funding to refis? And kind of how are you guys thinking about those balances in 2021. I think you guys implied it coming down probably after the first half of 2021?

Yes. Steve, it will be like we mentioned, it's about 65% buying activity right now and 45% purchase activity. We are -- we have been in this business, committed to be in this business. This business is generating over 20% compensating noninterest-bearing deposit balances for us. And as we shared with you, it's over $3 billion in noninterest income this past quarter. For us, this is a core franchise business and but it's a seasonal business. And so we think it will be like we gave you the guidance between $2 billion to $2.5 billion in that range for next year.

Okay, that's helpful. And then in terms of the consumer loans, balances down a touch, reserves can flat up a little bit here. Just kind of curious as to do you just continue to expect those balances to remain more or less steady for the next several quarters?

Yes. So, I think that we have managed to approximately flat. We have been originating direct north of $40 million a month on average, about $120 million a quarter in addition to some small flow arrangements that we still have with some of our marketplace lenders. So, we have experienced faster-than-expected payoffs in 2020. So I would anticipate that we would continue to originate the pace that we've been originating and that we would slightly increase and resume growth of the portfolio.

Okay. And yes, go ahead.

Sorry. And Steve, like we've shared with you, we do not envision the portfolio to be greater than 50% to 20%, and that will be over a period of time. And that will be very, very a detailed review will be conducted to make sure that the credit quality remains as strong as possible. We think this is a business which is banks have totally given up to the marketplace lenders other than credit cards remaining pretty much in the banking space. And so we are very selectively looking at how do we do direct originations and how do we sell digitally deposit services to all of these consumer loan customers.

Okay. And just as we think about reserves, with charge-offs trending better than you guys had modeled, what's the potential for reserve releases in upcoming quarters here?

I'll that --.

At this point in time.

Go ahead, Jay.

Okay. Sorry. I think we mentioned Carla and Andy and I mentioned that our exposure needs to be conservative in reserving, and we cannot comment on future reserve levels, but you can imagine that a conservative approach in these uncertain times is prudent. And we will still be monitoring and using the Moody's analytical model to determine our future reserving. But we are reserving at levels which are greater than what Moody's models would show, and that was all based upon being taking a conservative, qualitative adjustment to it. So, we do not envision that there would be higher reserves for consumer loans. If anything, your guess is as good as ours that there could be some releases in the future.

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Perito with KBW.

I wanted to just -- I had a couple of questions but I wanted to start actually following up on some of your last few comments there, Jay, regarding kind of shrinking the balance sheet and buying back. And I was wondering if maybe we could spend a minute just to kind of getting your heads a little bit more. I mean, obviously, Sam, you mentioned kind of the growth expectations and guidance. But I guess, as we try to understand how you guys are thinking about it, it would seem like maybe if the valuation doesn't improve, you guys would be willing to kind of walk back those loan growth guidance's to shrink the balance sheet and build capital and buy back stock. Is that kind of the right way to capture what you guys are trying to emulate?

Yes, that is obviously, Mike, a scenario and you can imagine that one can take an approach of temporarily shrinking your balance sheet and freeing up the capital and buying back the stock until we are trading above tangible book value or at peer levels. And that could be a very prudent strategy on our part. And we have enough opportunities, and our balance sheet is very liquid to be able to pull that off. But in the core businesses of C&I lending, franchise lending, we do not envision touching those. And so the growth opportunities that exists over there, recruiting of teams to continue to improve our franchise value, we think that just creating value by buying back stock is temporary. But if we can do it in a way that you continue to improve your franchise value, continue to improve the quality of your deposits, continue to improve the kind of customers you have, continue to create the digitization the efforts that we are on, combine it all, it can really build franchise value. That is one of the reasons why now we decided to keep the technology of BankMobile Technologies for use by us and let BankMobile be a totally independent company with no influence by us at all so that they can grow, but at the same time, we can use that technology in ways that can benefit our shareholders.

Yes. Thanks, Jay. I would just add, Mike, to wrap a bow around it. Our base case is to proceed along the asset generation growth levels that I walked through. Our second option is -- and the hope would be that we return to market multiples. Second half would be sort of a moderate stock buyback in the sort of mid-next year. And then in the event that we don't have a convergence to market multiples, then I think that the third option would be on the table.

Okay, that's helpful insight. And then as we think about, Sam, some of the things you talked about on slide give me a second, 23 here, some of it was helpful, some of the growth things that you guys are looking at. I was wondering if maybe you could spend another minute on two things for me here. Just one, on the niche businesses, I know you guys have talked about some of these in the past, but I was wondering if you can maybe just rehash a bit more specifically what are two or three of the bigger growth opportunities there are and what those credits kind of look like that you guys are taking advantage of? And then secondly, on the SBA side, I feel like historically, that business was very asset-oriented for most banks, but it seems like now with the digital movement, there's more of an opportunity to maybe capture some of the liabilities of these smaller businesses and to be able to service them more effectively without actually being close by? And I guess, how do you kind of see the liability opportunity from the SBA build-out in terms of the impact on your deposit base?

Sure, absolutely. So, starting with the niche businesses, our specialty lending, lender finance business is the largest component of that. It's an approximately $1 billion business for us today, and that will be driving majority of the growth. That's a business that is predominantly at approximately 65% advance rates on a pool of collateral with collateral swaps in the event that there's ever an issue. And as we've modeled it out, you'd have to be at a reception multiple times as big as a great recession to ever experience $1 of loss. So that's the biggest component of our specialty niche businesses. The healthcare business, I think Andy already walked through earlier today. And then lastly, from our commercial finance business, which is our equipment finance business, that business is expected to grow about 10% to 15%, again a business that has experienced an industry generally experiences very low loss rates, and our business has experienced essentially 0 losses to date. Again, to as to your question on the SBA side, absolutely, our existing business today really would be without the existence of our strong in-house SBA 7(a) lending team. We would not have been able to pivot so quickly to take advantage of the PPP efforts that we had a huge success at. That business currently is a direct business with BDOs nationally around the country, and they do bring on deposits. Typical BDO brings in about $10 million or so a year, and we have approximately 10 BDOs. So it's approximately about $120 million a year. Those businesses are great. They come with deposits. And now we're expanding that into more of a higher volume, lower ticket size, less bespoke, more down the middle, using technology and to originate as well as to process. That will give us a higher volume, not so dissimilar to our PPP efforts, higher volume or ticket size but rich in sort of initial deposits. But from a medium to long-term perspective, those are potentially very valuable customers to the franchise in addition to being profitable customers upfront, especially with the SBA guarantee. Hopefully, that answer your query.

Yes. No, that's really helpful. And then just lastly here on the expense side of the equation. Actually, I want to backtrack a little bit just and ask something different. On the loan growth, the 7% to 10%, obviously, the margin and the balance sheet have some kind of other items that are going to impact it near term with PPP and excess liquidity in the elevated work from house, et cetera. But just as we try to get to a more normalized view and run rate for maybe the middle of next year and beyond and we think about kind of the incremental loan yields that you guys are getting on some of those portfolios that we just discussed, can you maybe provide a little bit more color on where some of the origination yields are on these portfolios today and how you expect them to kind of trend? Or do they seem like they're pretty stable? Or there room maybe for competition to increase in some of these or risk asset classes that are growing and they could compress? Or how are you guys thinking about that dynamic today?

Mike, this is Carla. I can add some commentary on that. So just broadly, for 2020, '21, we are expecting a stable margin from where we are going to be from 2020. From a loan yield perspective, what we're seeing right now on average coming on is between 3.5% to 3.75% range. And we are expecting to continue to have some repricing downward on the deposit side. We do not anticipate any margin contraction next year.

Our next question comes from the line of Russell Gunther with D.A. Davidson.

I did have a question on the expense side of things. Carla, I heard the guide for flat to up in the near term. Could you just clarify the comment around what that considers for BankMobile that's ex all Bankmobile expenses? Or is there a different interpretation?

Yes. So, that does not include any BankMobile related expenses as part of the divestiture transaction. And just to give some comments on that, some forward looking, we are expecting 2021 to get into that efficiency ratio around the low 50s. We're going to stay focused on controlling our expenses. That said, it's a sea opportunity for revenue growth. We will invest, and we are spending some time investing in our digital transformation efforts. If that's helpful.

No, it's very helpful. I appreciate the clarification there. And then you mentioned obviously, it's a branch-light model at customers, and you mentioned still able to tighten that up a little bit by about 20%. But given the tougher revenue environment and some of the franchise investment you just mentioned, Carla, are there potential other offsets within the legacy customer business model from an expense perspective? Just give us a sense for how you would what those might be to get that low 50 efficiency ratio target achieved?

Yes. We're really not going into that level of detail at this point in time, just managing to be flat to moderately increasing expenses and staying within that low 50s efficiency ratio.

Okay, understood.

I think, Russell, I'd like to add to that, and I completely agree with Carla that rather than line by line. But the zero-based budgeting initiative that we shared with you about as well as the digitization of the bank and looking at every single process and using technology in every single area of the company. I'll just give you an example. We are incorporating technology into our credit approval, credit administration, portfolio management, interaction with our borrowers that we will free up extensive amount of time for our private bankers, our relationship bankers and in portfolio management. And that is something which will be operational by the end of this year, and also will give us a huge improvement in our overall franchise, where our measurement of success is the customer should say wow. And that is the way we are measuring that, not just for expense reduction. But if you can have improvement in productivity and improvement in customer service, it is an absolute winner. And we think that the banks have not changed their credit administration, credit approval and portfolio management processes over the last 25 to 30 years. And technology can today really help you a big time. We are using similar approaches throughout the company. That is why we are seeing a moderate growth because the traction of the teams is bound to be expensive for us in the beginning, but it is something which we will spend money on. And no question about it, and we are very focused on positive operating leverage.

I got it, okay. And then just switching gears with a final question. To the extent you're able, could you share where those what type of teams you've gone after, what lending verticals, what geographic concentration, any insight into where you're bolstering the bank going forward with some team lift up?

I think it's they are to support what Sam shared with you on our strategic initiatives. And so, it's really not entering into any significantly new verticals. We're just looking at one very low-risk vertical, which we it's premature for me to talk about that. But otherwise, it's really building on our so-called community banking and our niche business model. And it's recruiting very, very successful experienced teams who can help us continue to propel the growth that we've experienced in those niches. And I think -- we think that within the next 60 days, you'll start to see us put press releases out on those teams, and you will be very impressed with what we are attracting. We think there is a lot of disruption taking place in the marketplace right now. Every single bank is trying to really pound their chest on cost reductions, and they aren't taking an eye off of taking care of and retaining some of their high producers. And we believe that opportunity to recruit talent in this kind of a remote working environment and using our equity-based compensation plan as well as our team-based compensation plan is very attractive to really build a very strong franchise. So, we are very upbeat. Yesterday, in fact, our entire Board and top management team were involved in a planning session. And it was wonderful for the Board to hear from the entrepreneurial as well as risk-related colleagues of ours present to the Board their plans.

Your question comes from the line of Frank Schiraldi with Piper Sandler.

Just wanted to ask you about your expectations on capital. You've got some really nice levers here to accrete capital levels. And then obviously, there can be opportunities on the growth side, but then you also talked about maybe potential for shrinking and buying back stock. Just wondering, as we think about those potentials, what is the right sort of level in your mind now to operate the company? You've talked about getting to that 8% PCE. Are you focused on staying at those levels? Or could we see the company get back down? Just wanted to get your thoughts on it.

No. I think capital is king and capital has always been very, very important for us, but at the same time, capital has to be adjusted to the kind of risk profile of the company as well as your short-term and long-term strategy of the company. Our minimum acceptable standards for us, which we are somewhat below that, for this quarter is a 7% TCE. And we are hopeful of taking it up to $7.5 million before we look at seriously stock buyback option. And then we've done, as Sam and I shared with you, different scenarios. And all of those make an assumption of maintaining the TCE levels where they are. For whatever reason, in the regional banking, community banking sectors, small-cap banks, preferred equity has not been given the kind of credit that the larger banks have been given. But we believe with a lot other smaller regional banks following the route that we followed and I having building up their preferred equity that they are getting their credit for that. And so when you add 7.5% TCE plus you look at one or two percentage of capital over that through preferred equity, which we've decided in this low rate environment to definitely keep it because it's very low cost capital for us. It's lower than what banks are raising their preferred equity right now, we think it gives us a lot of opportunities. In terms of which preference we would have, we would -- we are a growth company and a growth company with a strong emphasis on risk management. Our preference would be to continue to be a moderately growing company, in this kind cautiously growing the company. But we will not accept 43% tangible common equity -- I'm sorry, 43% to tangible book value, and that is leading 55% minimum appreciation from a valuation point of view on the table. We think our peer group are is trading at somewhere in the 90% to 110% of tangible book, and we are not going to be satisfied until we get there. And we will get there one way or another.

Okay, fair enough. And then on the just on expenses, just following up on the idea of sort of flattish expense growth. As you build out the banking as you continue to build out the banking as a service business, is there a meaningful expense linked to compliance and back-office function and then that has to be offset elsewhere? Or is that expense already baked in for significant growth here?

I'll take that, Frank. Yes, from our existing expense level, we materially have all of those resources in-house already.

Got you, okay.

And I wanted to add just, Frank, on your question on capital. Our regulatory capital is going to strengthen significantly regardless of whether we buy back or not.

No, understood.

I will now turn the call over to David Patti for our web questions.

Thanks, Raquel. And let me remind everyone who's on the webcast, there's still time to submit a question if you'd like to do so through the function there on your screen. Our first question -- I'm going to combine two from Daniel Grossman of Danlos Corporation. On PPP, asked in two parts. First, of the $100 million in PP origination fees, how much was recognized as income in the third quarter? And how will the remainder of that origination fee income be recognized in the next four or five quarters. While you're thinking about that, let me also add that Daniel would love to have some information on our attempts to seek deposits from the PPP borrowers and transition them to permanent customers of Customers Bank, people who would now be a part of our Customers Bank family. I mean he's wondering how that's going and how much of those deposits we think will retain. I'll turn it over to the panel for a response.

Sam, do you want to take that up?

Sure. Carla, I'll start with the deposits then if you could sort of share the specific numbers on PPP in the last quarter. So from a deposit perspective, we have had a good success over the past couple of quarters. As you can appreciate, we have multiple touch points with the PPP borrowers as it's related to the length of time as well as the changes and delays in forgiveness. So, any deposits that we brought in to date, we expect to remain with the -- with the banks. And I would further add that many of these borrowers, as you can appreciate, given the small loan size, we're holding a bated breath waiting for an additional PPP round. And as such, we think that the nearest opportunity with these borrowers, frankly, is going to be on the SBA side regardless of whether there is another stimulus targeted toward the small and medium-sized businesses.

I'll just add the commentary on the PPP interest income. Regarding the deferred origination fees, we recorded about $12 million in the third quarter. The remaining will be recognized over the estimated life of the PPP loans. However, it will be accelerated upon forgiveness. We are anticipating that about 90% of these loans will be forgiven in the first half of 2021, and that's us creating a significant accretion to our capital levels. In the third quarter, we also recognized interest income that we earn about 1% on those loan balances. So all in, the interest income is probably around $25 million.

Thanks, Carla. And I would just add, just from a NIM perspective to one of the earlier questions, given the 1% interest rate on the PPP loans, to clarify our PPP our NIM ex PPP was 2.86% in the third quarter, and we want to take this opportunity to reiterate our guidance of 2.9% to 3% NIM. And as Carla mentioned earlier, we expect to be in that range with a slight positive bias.

Thanks, Sam and Carla. Mr. Resmon has another question on a different topic. Let me read that to you. Please explain why your 2021 projections of $3 per share use core rather than GAAP earnings. It also seems to be used by Yahoo! Finance, et cetera, and analyst estimates.

I'll just start off and please help me by filling up anything on this. The main thing is, like you know, we are -- we remain opportunistic to try to take advantage of market disruptions for security gains and those kind of things. And as an example, the $10 million of security gains was totally created by management being opportunistic and buying some and some very -- some securities back in the end of March, early April. And that is something management gets paid for in looking at ways to improve our capital and improve our earnings. But the Street, rightfully so in our opinion, does not recognize that as recurring earnings. So most of the time in the banking industry, core earnings are something which you can count on, and it's pretty much, generally speaking, recurring earnings. And that is the reason why we use those kind of words so that you can look at sustainability of those earnings and you can count on valuations of our stock price as a multiple of core earnings.

Okay. Any other response from our panel for that question? If not, Raquel, I have no one further in the web queue. I see no one on your telephone queue.

Therefore Jay Sidhu, the floor is yours for any closing remarks.

Thanks, Raquel, and thank you so much everybody for joining us today. We really appreciate your interest in Customers Bancorp, and we look forward to staying in touch with you. Thank you, and have a good day. Stay safe, please.

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