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Culp, Inc. (CULP)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 29, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Culp, Inc. Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Dru Anderson. Please go ahead.

Dru Anderson

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Culp conference call to review the company's results for the fourth quarter and fiscal 2023 year. As we start, let me state that this morning's call will contain forward-looking statements about the business, financial condition and prospects of the company. Forward-looking statements are statements that include projections, expectations or beliefs about future events or results or otherwise are not statements of historical fact. The actual performance of the company could differ materially from that indicated by the forward-looking statements because of various risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are described in our regular SEC filings, including the company's most recent filings on Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. Additional risks and uncertainties that we do not presently know about or that we currently consider to be immaterial, may also affect our business operations and financial results. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements made today and each such statement speaks only as of today. We undertake no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements. In addition, during this call, the company will be discussing non-GAAP financial measurements. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measurements is included in the tables to the press release, included as an exhibit to the company's 8-K filed yesterday and posted on the company's website at culp.com. A slide presentation with supporting summary financial information is also available on the company's website as part of the webcast of today's call. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Iv Culp, President and Chief Executive Officer of Culp. Please go ahead, sir.

Iv Culp

Analyst

Thank you, Dru, and good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Culp quarterly conference call with analysts and investors. With me on the call are Ken Bowling, our Chief Financial Officer; Boyd Chumbley, President of our Upholstery Fabrics Business and Tommy Bruno, President of our Mattress Fabrics business. I will begin the call with some opening comments, including a discussion of key points from topics for the quarter and priorities as we look ahead. After that, Ken will review the financial results for the quarter and the full year. I will then review our business outlook for the first quarter of fiscal 2024 and we will then take your questions. So when we think about the current state of our business, we are furthering the themes we discussed last quarter and expanding them with a few important points that illustrate where Culp, Inc. is today. First, we are encouraged by our sequential and year-over-year improvement for the quarter, despite ongoing demand softness within the two industries we service. Second, we reemphasize our unwavering focus on maintaining a strong balance sheet and managing our cash position. And third, we are excited by the ongoing comprehensive transformation within our CHF Mattress Fabrics business. Regarding our quarterly results, our sales and operating performance reflected solid improvement both sequentially and year-over-year and both in dollars and units, even as demand remained soft in the mattress and residential home furnishings industries. The strong sequential improvement in our Mattress Fabrics segment was driven by the rollout of new customer programs during the period. As we have been commenting for some time now, these new programs are priced in line with current costs and are expected to grow this segment's market position in fiscal 2024. The Culp…

Ken Bowling

Analyst

Thanks, Iv. As mentioned earlier on the call, we have posted a slide presentation to our Investor Relations website that covers certain summary financial information. We've also posted our updated Investor Presentation. Here are the financial highlights for the fourth quarter. Net sales were $61.4 million, up 7.9% compared with the prior year period. The company reported a loss from operations of $4 million as compared with a loss of operations of $5.4 million for the prior year period and a loss from operations of $7.8 million for the third quarter of this fiscal year, which included $711,000 in restructuring expense. I'll comment in more detail on divisional sales and operating performance in a moment. Net loss for the fourth quarter was $4.7 million, or $0.38 per diluted share compared with a net loss of $6 million, or $0.49 per diluted share for the prior year period. Our overall operating performance for the fourth quarter as compared to the prior year period was positively affected by higher sales in both divisions. It was also affected by improved margins on new products, improvement in operating efficiencies and lower overhead costs in our Mattress Fabrics segment during the quarter, as well as a receipt of a non-recurring customer payment as Iv discussed earlier, lower inventory markdowns, lower overhead costs in our Upholstery Fabrics segment during the quarter and a favorable product mix. The lower overhead costs in our Mattress Fabrics segment during the quarter related to the restructuring and rationalization of this segment's cut and sew mattress cover platform in North Carolina initiated during the second quarter of this fiscal year. The lower overhead costs in our Upholstery Fabrics segment during the quarter related to the restructuring and rationalization of this segment's cut and sew platforms initiated earlier in this fiscal year.…

Iv Culp

Analyst

Thanks, Ken. Due to the continued volatility in the macroenvironment, we have provided only limited financial guidance for the first quarter of fiscal 2024. We expect consolidated net sales for the first quarter to be slightly lower compared to the first quarter of fiscal 2023, due mostly to the current softness in the Residential Home Furnishings industry, as well as some slowing of demand and the timing of additional new program launches in the Mattress Fabrics segment. We expect a consolidated operating loss for the first quarter of fiscal 2024. This is the range of negative $3.5 million to negative $4 million, a solid improvement compared to the $4.7 million operating loss for the prior year period. Now I know there are some questions about the expected slight decline in sales for the first quarter and here's how we've discussed that. There continues to be weakness in the Residential Home Furnishings industry, which makes it a challenging revenue environment. Yes, our hospitality contract business continues to look favorable. But the residential slowness is overweighing that. Also, remember that our fourth quarter sales for our residential Upholstery Fabrics business were possibly affected by seasonality and a one-time payment that won't recur in the first quarter. On the mattress fabric side, while there is still overall malaise in the industry, we expect to continue to benefit from the launch of planned new programs for our customers. This is a business that we have won and it is scheduled to launch during calendar 2023, but the timing of those launches could swing between quarters and we tried to account for that in our quarterly guidance. Importantly, and I want to highlight this once more, even with the forecasted decline in sales for the first quarter, we are still expecting a solid improvement in operating performance, reflecting the internal operational improvements we are making. As we commented, we expect to improve our business sequentially and organically via market position during fiscal 2024 with a return to quarterly operating profit during the year. However, the pace of our improvement is dictated by the recovery in the macroenvironment and we need some macro tailwinds for recovery to happen quicker. Lastly, as we weather the current challenges, we will continue to be laser focused on prudent financial management, with the goal of always maintaining a strong balance sheet, especially with regard to ensuring a strategic balance in our working capital. We are optimistic about Culp's future and we know the financial stability is paramount to our success. So with that, we'll be happy to take some questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Anthony Lebiedzinski

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for taking the questions. And first, congratulations on being able to maintain a strong balance sheet despite the difficulties in the business. So I guess, first question here, Iv, you talked about the comprehensive transformation and operational improvements that are underway at the CHF. So just -- I guess, if you could put this in baseball terms, what inning are we in actually as far as these operational improvements?

Iv Culp

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you, Anthony. I'm going to let Tommy speak to that a little bit, because he is executing this plan with speed as fast as we can go. And I just want to thank you for saying hello, first of all and thank you for the comments on the balance sheet. That is a big deal to us, and I'm glad you recognize that improvement. I'm really happy with how the CHF transformation is going. He would be going better if the market was better. But Tommy, I'll let you comment some if you want to -- where you see you are in the process and where you have left to execute.

Tommy Bruno

Analyst

Yeah. Sure. Thanks for the question, Anthony. From my point of view, I would say that we're in the middle innings getting towards the later innings. So we've established a good foundation. We've brought in a really good team to manage the transformation plan. And we have a good structure that is going to inform all of our activities and how we execute them. So I think now it's just a matter of getting through them as quickly as possible and in a way that drives the most financial benefit and long-term benefit.

Iv Culp

Analyst

And Anthony it is interesting that you have started with the comments on the balance sheet because some of what Tommy needs to do is, do some maintenance CapEx and be sure that we have equipment that's up to par for the speed we want to run and the techniques we want to operate through our platform. So the fact that our balance sheet is in a position to do some capital spending to support his transformation, they do go hand-in-hand.

Anthony Lebiedzinski

Analyst

Got you. Okay. Understood. Okay. And then, I know you guys also talked about in the past about increased collaboration with the new innovation center. Have you been able to see that or do you think there is more to come in terms of just having the two segments to do more?

Iv Culp

Analyst

Yeah. I certainly believe Anthony for most of Culp's history or recent history, we've intentionally operated those two businesses separately and they have two very strong leadership teams. But we are recognizing all the time that there are technologies and strategies and platform locations that work for both businesses. So we don't ever want to lose the personalities of the business, but we do want to share ideas and best practices where we can. The innovation center was sort of step one, and having our teams operate there concurrently with customers and watching our customers realize the different product lines that we're in, whether it'd be bedding, furniture, residential, commercial, it's been fantastic. I think our people enjoy being together, our customers like the atmosphere that provides and that's been a nice -- as expected, a nice boost to the business.

Anthony Lebiedzinski

Analyst

Terrific. Okay. Sounds great. So switching gears to the upholstery side. So you called out the demand being solid in the hospitality and contract business. So I guess two part question there. So first, are you getting more business from current clients or are you actually getting new client wins or maybe both? And then, the second part of that question is, are you seeing any signs of any slowdown in that sub-segment of the business?

Boyd Chumbley

Analyst

Yes, Anthony. This is Boyd. And as to the first question, I'd say, the strength of the business, there is some contribution both from existing customers as the continuing to benefit from the shift in consumer spending to travel and experiences. It's certainly benefiting that segment and really all customers in that segment. So a lot of the strength and the solid incoming order and backlog position we have is related to existing customers, but we certainly are seeing new customer contributions in that as well. So it's really both fronts are contributing overall. And to this point, no, for your second part of your question, we're really not seeing any signs of any downturns in that segment yet. As you know, those orders and backlogs do have a longer timeframe for completion and installation. So we've got a pretty good backlog carrying out over a number of months at this point and really not seeing yet any signs of slowdown there. It remains very solid.

Anthony Lebiedzinski

Analyst

Okay. Got you. Okay. Thanks a lot. And then, last question, in terms of product pricing, what is your confidence level in terms of being able to continue to price products properly to reflect your own current costs?

Iv Culp

Analyst

I feel very confident in that, Anthony. And it's just -- maybe it's confidence compared to where we were. We did talk a lot in this last fiscal year, which was a tough year, about always being behind the eight ball in terms of catching the cost. We just -- things were going up on us faster than we can pass them through. Upholstery did a better job than mattress fabrics on that. And it's not a management thing, the industry allowed us a different outcome. We didn't -- we just didn't keep pace on the mattress side. As we've gotten to the point now where so much of our business feels like it needs to be remerchandised and that's coming from retailers and customers wanting their freshened floors, we're able to have a lot of new introductions that set at proper margin. And it sounds, obvious, but we just weren't -- we weren't getting fair margins on some of the business that was lingering. So now as we launch new things they just come -- it comes at a better prospect. So I don't feel -- it's always a competitive business. We're used to that for our entire history. But we have improving costs and we have new products with new technologies that we can price fairly. So I don't -- it's a competitive business, but I am not worried about price pressure for us.

Anthony Lebiedzinski

Analyst

That's great to hear. Well, thank you very much and best of luck.

Iv Culp

Analyst

Thank you, Anthony.

Boyd Chumbley

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Rex Henderson with Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. And I want to offer my congratulations to the whole executive team and to Tommy in particular for showing some progress in CHF, that's encouraging. I was particularly focused on the gross margin line which turned positive for the first time in a while. And my questions start there, I think. The gross margin was positive this quarter, but not very strongly yet. And I'm just wondering kind of where you are in the process of getting -- how many SKUs are there that are still negative margin products and how long is it going to take to get to the point where the entire lineup is making money for you?

Tommy Bruno

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Thank you for the question, Rex. For us, we are working diligently on the SKU rationalization process that we've talked about previously. I would estimate that over the next quarter or two that we would be worked through on all of the SKUs that aren't productive for us. We're having those conversations daily. And as Iv mentioned, a lot of the new programs that we're launching and as they phase in and become a larger part of our mix, as we rationalize out the lower profitability items and get the newer programs launched, we expect steady improvement in not only our top line, but we expect that to follow through on the bottom line as well.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. Great. So a couple of quarters to get to a more reasonable number. That's really -- that's encouraging.

Iv Culp

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Rex, just to make a point, I'm sure you are fully aware of this. I mean, it would be -- an option would be just to stop selling those items, but that's not a responsible supplier. We need to phase these out through the right process to our customers and support our customers for the long-term, which we always will do and make that transition in the most expedient way we can, but we can't rush it. We just need to make it happen over a hopefully a short period.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. The press release and in your comments, you also mentioned operating efficiencies. Can you quantify that a little bit? What's going on in terms of operating efficiencies in CHF?

Ken Bowling

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Rex, it's Ken. I think that that's obviously one of the focuses that we've had. We've had issues with labor, getting the right mix of labor, that part of the challenge the has calmed down. So we're getting more consistent labor there. I mean that's been a focus. Obviously, the -- rightsizing the business, getting the right run rates and unit cost in line there. So those have all been concurrent high priorities as we've gone through the last several months. And I know Tommy, that's been your focus or is your focus now, going forward. So it's hard to quantify. It's just we've got a number of initiatives that we're working on. And as Iv said, we are confident that over time our operating performance will reflect those.

Iv Culp

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Rex, if we were ranking the most important thing to us to return profitability, the new volume at proper margin is first. So that's the first thing. And then the operational improvements are right behind it. And that's inclusive also improved costing of materials, freight costs and things like that, that are starting to help. So it's operating better in addition to better costing. But really the main driver is going to be volume and new programs.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. Actually, Ken, touched on another question I had and that is, earlier you talked about you had some labor turnover and labor inefficiencies. Do you feel like that's fully behind you or is there still progress to be made on that front?

Iv Culp

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

I think, Rex, it's certainly better than it was. We went through a period of time where it was just difficult to retain anyone. I would say today and Tommy can comment, because he has the most U.S. employees, we aren't having a problem finding workers anymore, but there is still some challenge in retaining workers. I mean we aren't -- the jobs we offer are -- their hard jobs. There are long hours and there is got to be some skilled labor there. So much better. Now, we've got a lot of attention focused on retaining those people. Is that fair, Tommy? Is that what you're seeing?

Tommy Bruno

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah. We're able to recruit effectively and we're working very hard on employee engagement and retention.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. All right. And finally, I want to turn my attention to CUF, in the home furnishings business. You mentioned that there's down -- I think you mentioned, some downstream inventory issues. Can you give us any color on how you see it, where that stands and how long you think that's going to take to clear? Do you have any visibility on that?

Boyd Chumbley

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah, Rex. This is Boyd. And I would say to a large degree those downstream inventories had been cleared and addressed, certainly in much lower levels of inventory in the pipeline at the retailer and manufacturer level than there has been over the course of the last number of months in the year. So that situation has greatly improved. We are now seeing more of the -- the true consumer purchases at retail are now triggering, ordering of fabrics to us on a more regular basis there. So a lot of that inventory position has been addressed. But there is probably still some pockets in some various areas, but to -- on a macro level that’s been significantly reduced and not as big a factor to our incoming phase of orders as it has been in the past couple of quarters.

Rexford Henderson

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. Sounds incur, a little bit of encouragement there. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions, and I'll pass it on to the next guy.

Iv Culp

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Rex.

Boyd Chumbley

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Rex.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Iv Culp for any closing remarks.

Iv Culp

Analyst

Thank you, operator. And again, thanks to everyone for your participation and your interest in Culp. We look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.