Good morning, and welcome to the Darling Ingredients Inc. conference call to discuss the company's fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 results. [Operator Instructions]. Today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Suann Guthrie. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thank you for joining the Darling Ingredients Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Earnings Call. Here with me today are Mr. Randall Stuewe, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Brad Phillips, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. John Bullock, Chief Strategy Officer; and Ms. Sandra Dudley, Executive Vice President of Renewables and U.S. Specialty Operations. Our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 earnings news release and slide presentation are available on the Investor page under the Events and Presentations tab on our corporate website. And we will be -- and will be joined by a transcript of this call once it is available. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results can materially differ because of factors discussed in yesterday's press release and the comments made during this conference call and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, 10-Q and other reported filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements. Now I will hand the call over to Randy.

Hey, thanks, Suann. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 earnings call. On February 3, 2023, I celebrated with my team, my 20th anniversary as Chairman and CEO of Darling. Many of you have heard me tell the story of my early days here. At the time, we had 600 employees in 20 locations throughout the United States. Brad and I were paying utility bills out of a shoebox, prioritizing the ones that needed to be paid first to keep our operations running. Our stock was trading about $1 per share. We had to figure out how to move from surviving to thriving. We had a plan. As I sit here today, 20 years later, I can't help but smile when I tell you we are now 15,000 employees strong in more than 260 locations on 5 continents. We have 15,000 of the most dedicated and talented employees that come to work every day because they know their work matters, not just to themselves and their families, but to meeting the critical needs of our world. What they do every day is making our world a more sustainable place for our future generations. We provide 2 very needed solutions to the world: food and clean energy. It's no doubt that Darling Ingredients has transformed over the last 20 years. And in the process, we created our own unique platform with a deep moat surrounding our castle. We have delivered superior earnings growth driven by our global platform, vertical integration and diverse segments. In 2022, we closed on 3 important acquisitions and are in the process of completing 2 more that will continue to strengthen our foundation for growth in 4 key areas: the core rendering business, hydrolyzed collagen, green energy and soon to be…

Okay. Thanks, Randy. Net income for the fourth quarter 2022 totaled $156.6 million or $0.96 per diluted share compared to net income of $155.8 million or $0.94 per diluted share for the 2021 fourth quarter. Net sales were $1.77 billion for the fourth quarter 2022 as compared to $1.31 billion for the fourth quarter 2021 or a 35% increase in net sales. Net income for fiscal year 2022 was $737.7 million or $4.49 per diluted share compared to $650.9 million or $3.90 per diluted share for fiscal year 2021. Net sales were $6.53 billion for fiscal '22 as compared to $4.74 billion for fiscal '21 or a 37.8% increase in net sales. Operating income increased 18.1% to $249.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to $211 million for the fourth quarter of 2021 primarily due to a $67.7 million increase in gross margin and Darling's share of Diamond Green Diesel's earnings increasing $53.8 million quarter-over-quarter, which more than offset depreciation and amortization increasing $36.6 million and SG&A increasing about $24 million quarter-over-quarter, both primarily due to the FASA and Valley Proteins acquisitions. Also, a $21.1 million asset impairment charge was recorded as the company made a decision to close the Peabody, Massachusetts collagen location in 2023 in order to optimize our global collagen network. Additionally, in the fourth quarter of 2022, we incurred $2.7 million in acquisition and integration costs. Operating income for fiscal year '22 was $1.03 billion as compared to $884.5 million for fiscal year 2021. The increase in operating income was primarily due to a $287.6 million increase in gross margin and a $20.7 million increase in Darling's share of DGD earnings year-over-year, which more than offset depreciation and amortization increasing $78.3 million and SG&A increasing about $45 million for fiscal year '22 as compared…

Hey, thanks, Brad. Well done. No doubt, 2022 was a great year for Darling Ingredients, and we carry tremendous momentum into 2023 as we continue our laser focus on the integration of our new businesses around the globe. While fat prices have eased in Q1 due to turnarounds and unplanned downtime by global renewable diesel producers, we should see improvement as these situations remedy. Global protein demand for animal production and pet food supplies remains robust and modestly stronger than last year. Capital investments in 2023 are estimated to be about $565 million with more than 20% allocated to expansion projects to drive new profitable growth. These projects include expansion of our green energy business in Europe, growing capacity at our existing U.S. rendering plants to accommodate both customer growth and increased waste feedstock supply for renewable diesel production and increased spray-dry capacity for hydrolyzed collagen production. With respect to Diamond Green Diesel, we expect sales volumes to be about 1.2 billion gallons in '23, making DGD North America's largest renewable diesel producer. DGD's superior logistics, Darling's vertical integration and access to global waste feedstocks combined with our pretreatment technology positions DGD as the premier renewable diesel provider in the world. Recognizing LCFS prices were lower in 2022 compared to '21 and the RVO created some noise in the markets sending feedstock prices lower, our performance in 2022 shows that DGD is profitable and will continue to be profitable. For 2023, I expect DGD to sell 1.2 billion gallons of renewable diesel at a minimum of $1.10 per gallon. Our plan for 2023 is to build on our growth strategy and continued success. We expect to grow earnings between 15% and 20% by the end of the year. And we're still giving guidance of $1.8 billion to $1.85 billion in…

[Operator Instructions]. And the first question will be from Derrick Whitfield from Stifel.

For my first question, I wanted to focus on your feed business. With the improvement you experienced in margins sequentially despite seasonal and weather impacts with UCO, could you offer some perspective on how we should think about your trajectory of margin recovery over the next couple of years as you bring additional Valley plants up to Darling spec.

Yes. This is Randy, Derrick. I'll come at a high level, and Brad and John can assist if I miss over something. But I mean, clearly, as we've tried to articulate to people, we're 200 days into a 1,000-day integration plan at Valley Proteins. Their margins were under half of what ours were. And so when you put together their business with our USA business, you can see the margin pressure and the progress we're making. I mean, it ranges from renegotiating raw material agreements, optimizing plant labor situations, the systems at full capacity, they were moving material around in ways they shouldn't have, and then ultimately moving to our customers where they were exporting, they're now shipping Diamond Green Diesel. And you can see that coming through. You're going to see in Q1, in Q2 continued progress there. I mean, I do want to say, as always, we talk about fat prices. Fat prices are down a little bit in Q1. I mean, they're driven by -- obviously, people were trying to position against the Diamond Green Diesel start-up and then also the amount of global fat we're bringing in along with our downtime and 3 or 4 other people's downtimes around the world and turnarounds. And so the fat just backed up a little bit. That will remedy itself, as we said, as we go forward. So there may be a little pressure there in Q1. But remember in Q2, DGD then gets the benefit of those lower fat prices, and that translates back through in the Fuel segment. So as always, I want people to think about the total offering, not just down to a segment level because it can move around from time to time. John, anything you want to add there?

No, I think the -- Valley is exactly what we thought we were getting, is a huge block of volume that's very well geographically positioned. And we can already see tremendous improvements that are happening as we get the Valley folks together with our U.S. rendering folks. Going to take a little time, but they're moving at an extremely fast pace. We're very, very excited at what we're seeing out of that acquisition.

Yes, Derrick, and I would add, I mean, as people were looking at the performance in Q4, the Ward, South Carolina plant lit up on fire on Thanksgiving day or evening, I can't remember which. It's a total loss. It is -- clearly, we're insured around the horn at Tacoma and in Ward with business interruption, but there are rules around that as -- accounting rules is when we can recognize that. And just for example, in Q4 in December, the Ward, South Carolina plant transferring the volume around to keep the customers happy was around $4.5 million. So it's a pretty easy bridge to see where we're headed to. We had a little bit of bad luck there, but it's going to be built back bigger, better and badder here be online towards the end of the year. But the systems being able to handle it now. And then hopefully sometime later this year, Brad will say we can set up an accrual for the BI payment that's expected.

Perfect. That's great color. And perhaps for Randy or Sandy with my follow-up, maybe if you could elaborate on the market opportunity in your prepared comments on SAF. I know you've referenced $0.75 as a breakeven in the past, which is clearly covered by the SAF BTC. However, I suspect the market will bear a greater premium, and there's probably some optimization you could pursue at DGD 3 as well.

Yes. And Sandy and I'll tag team this, and she can give you -- I'll give you the view from my chair. Number one, there's a lot of promises being made out there on SAF by a lot of people. And there's no gallons. So these will be the, what I'm going to call, the first real gallons made to a system that's going to have to decarbonize and move forward. It also gives us tremendous optionality. And the optionality piece is while the industry and the analyst industry wants to sit there and tell us all this capacity that's being added out there in the RD world, we're going to move the next step. We've always been the first mover there, and we'll control that optionality. The margin, Sandy can comment on. But long term, what we've learned here is that we'll have the flexibility to arbitrage between the products. And I suspect over time, we'll make that decision to add another SAF unit as the world moves forward. The beauty with Port Arthur is that it can make the product, it can ship the product to California under the proposed intrastate rules that are being promulgated, it can export the product. So Sandy, what else you want to add on? What gets you excited about SAF?

I think that SAF for us, as you mentioned, it just helps us diversify our book. So not only are we able to offer new products, but we're also able to participate in different markets than we participated in before. And as you said, that gives us optionality. I think that there's a lot of support out there behind SAF, too, that we're seeing that I think will eventually increase the premiums that are available within that market. I mean, we have the Inflation Reduction Act that was passed. I think that's very positive for SAF. We just saw that California in their Scoping Plan that they are considering instituting an intrastate jet mandate. And so I think that, that's a positive thing for us. And then what we've seen lately is we've seen a number of SAF tax credits. So Illinois passed one. Washington is considering one. We're seeing Norway considering increasing their SAF mandates. We're seeing more states with LCFS-proposed programs such as New York, New Mexico, Vermont and Minnesota. And so I think that there's just so much going on in that space that's positive for us.

Yes. And I think just to kind of close off the loop, obviously, until you sell something, you don't know what the margin is. But we believe that there's just a ton of momentum out there in that market that gets us really excited. And to be honest, we wouldn't make the investment if we didn't believe the margins would be equal to or superior than what we're doing in the road fuel market today.

The next question is from Adam Samuelson from Goldman Sachs.

Yes. So Randy, in your prepared remarks, you kind of talked about making sure that to consider the kind of balance -- the earnings might shift between feed and Diamond Green depending on kind of where prices are and where the RD margins are. And so I'm just trying to get a sense, the full year EBITDA guidance is minimum of $1.10 a gallon. And you talked about upside in the second quarter because fat prices have come down, and that will accrue into DGD. But I just -- I mean, am I wrong to think that spot margins certainly in the first quarter are comfortably north of that $1.10 a gallon? And so I'm just trying to get a sense of kind of where kind of quarter-to-date margins have been tracking. And it would seem like that's trending in the right direction for the -- into the second quarter based on kind of some easing feedstock prices. And then I've got a follow-up on the feed business.

Okay. No, it's a fair question, Adam. And you're reading the breadcrumbs really well there. The -- ultimately, as we look at Diamond Green Diesel margins, remember, the $1.10 we put out there is what we believe the competitive advantage is that 1, 2 and 3 have against any other producer today. I would -- if you want to see the advantage, look at HollyFrontier DINO's RD gallons and earnings for fourth quarter. So there it is, again, as we show people what we do for a living. Number two, yes, the margin -- spot margins are better than what they -- we're getting for the full year. Remember, Diamond Green Diesel 1 was down for a catalyst turnaround here February 3. It's back up at capacity. But -- so at the end of the day, we're getting up, that's back online. Number 3 is still in the process of getting up to the full rate and where we believe it can go. And our partners, Valero, mentioned on their call logistic challenges. I mean, clearly, there's no secrets out in the world. We got a lot of cars sitting down there waiting to unload and to get up to rate there. And so ultimately, at the end of the day, we're going to pick up incredible momentum in the Diamond Green Diesel system throughout the year. The other piece that I want to kind of put out there to let everybody noodle on is you can't be bearish fat prices if you're bullish renewable diesel capacity. It just doesn't work that way. And so at the end of the day, you've got to pick or choose the craps table where you're going to place your bet here. Is that RD capacity coming online, then you got to get bullish fat prices, which is bullish our base ingredient business. If you don't believe that capacity is coming online, then there's adequate fat to run number 3 and all of this, and we'll be running full waste fats at great margins. So end of the day, people have to decide what they truly believe here. What we've proven is $1.40 a gallon in Q4. And as I said before, the numbers do the talk. And so let's go to the Feed segment, Adam.

Okay. That's really helpful. So then in Feed, I was hoping you can kind of just break down a little more the contribution from Valley and FASA in the fourth quarter. Kind of from the K, it implied that the net loss of Valley seems to have actually gotten bigger in fourth quarter, and maybe there's some accounting noise kind of in there. But can you help us think about kind of the earnings contribution in Feed? It seemed like it degraded through the quarter in part because of the fire and the capacity, but kind of -- and what that implies going through the first quarter.

Adam, one thing. This is Brad. So on the net loss mentioned in the K and footnote 3, that is predominantly -- and Randy referenced it earlier, the Ward facility, a sizable facility. We also had an insurance deductible charge taken in the quarter. So that contributes to that number being higher than the Q3 rate on that. Other than that on Valley, Randy?

Yes. I mean, ultimately, we're making great progress there. And clearly, we're near business case at our timeline, remember our 1,000-day integration plan, we're at our business case very close without the Ward fire. In January, we made a lot of adjustments to raw material procurement agreements that will kick in here in Q1. Those were contracts that had to be renegotiated. We're seeing some unique things as the poultry industry changes diets to adjust for the renewable diesel demand for animal fats now, where they were used to feeding animal fats in their diets, they're taking them out and substituting alternative ingredients and changing different attributes of the rendering materials that we're getting. That has to be accounted for in your procurement formulas. And so we have done that in Q1, and that will start to flow through here towards the end of Q1, early Q2 and predominantly Valley plants on the Eastern shore are poultry plants. And so those are sizable numbers as we go forward. The FASA, the business is running classically right on business case. John, anything you want to add?

No, I think the most important thing is you look and I understand as we get dips and as we bring dips in pricing here and there and as we bring these facilities on, it's not always a straight line. But the underlying strength here is the volumes are exactly what we thought they were going to be. And as long as those volumes remain there, we are going to be able to get the Valley profitability over our timeline within where the Darling system operates. And we're going to be able to have the type of profitability we anticipated on all these acquisitions. So the underlying strength here is our volume is great.

Yes. And I think the other thing, Adam, that isn't very transparent, and it's hard to break out, but in Europe, we were paying EUR 210, EUR 230 a megawatt -- per megawatt hour for electricity. We're down to EUR 50 now. And so the gas prices ran up hard on us that -- you can't make raw material adjustments that quick in Europe. They've come back off. We're now back to $2 natural gas or plus burner tip distribution in the U.S. So gas prices impact Q4 a little bit, too, and it's always hard to see how that flows through.

The next question is from Dushyant Ailani from Jefferies.

My first one is trying to understand the CapEx cadence going forward. I know you talked about, I think, roughly $565 million for 2023. How do you think about 2024 considering just the Valley integration?

Yes. I mean, clearly, we gave a number of around $125 million that would have to go into those Valley plants over the next couple of years. We're about halfway through that now. So a portion of that number is FASA, the 2 plants under construction. We got a plant under construction in Turlock, California, another under construction in Boise, Idaho. We're going to start permitting the Bellevue, Nebraska plant. We got the Epitacio spray dryer. We've got a wastewater plant in Brazil. And then we've got the green energy expansions in Europe of the Op de Beeck, Belgium digester and the sun digester. And all of that's rolled into there. And so like we said, about 20% of it is growth projects that would meet our 15% to 20% hurdle rate. And the rest of it is just maintenance and standard CapEx between fleet and operating plants.

Got it. And then my second question was just wanted to talk about the margins for the Food segment. I think it was down quarter-over-quarter. Any kind of drivers around that? And then how do we think about that going forward?

Energy prices, as Randy mentioned earlier in Europe. Those will rebound. And clearly, I can tell you we're off to a good start this year. I mean, the chart in the earnings deck of the growth of that Food segment just gets -- is really the story that we're doing. Clearly, that's -- it's a multi-continent strategy. China had a great year. South America had a great year. The U.S. had a great year, and Europe struggled a little bit, especially in Q4 with energy prices and raw materials because of the reduced porcine kill. So that should remedy itself a little bit in Q1, but overall, we're set to have a really good year in the Food segment this year.

The next question will be from Tom Palmer from JPMorgan.

I wanted to clarify the guidance a bit. So it sounds as if temporary downtime at RD plants, including at DGD, are contributing to the fat and UCO price weakness we've seen. So maybe could we just clarify the expected duration of DGD's turnaround? It sounds like DGD 1's back up and running. Is number 2 down right now? And then is the message that the first quarter because of this might be a little bit below kind of that quarterly EBITDA run rate implied by guidance? And then starting in 2Q, we see a more substantial rebound?

Yes. I mean, clearly, Tom, I mean, just going around the horn, DGD 1 was down for 18 to 20 days here. Number 3, we don't have the logistics down. I mean, we got a couple of railroads embargoed. We're trying to get the logistics up there. I understand Geismar was down. I understand Neste Rotterdam was down for over a month, and that was 800,000 tons there. So as we've said, the feedstock market is a global market. And clearly, with the Port Arthur and St. Charles facilities, we're originating from around the world. But as I said earlier, it's not going to take much to turn this thing as if you believe any of this capacity that all of you guys write about is truly starting up. I mean, I read a start-up on PBF for Q1 here. I read a start-up for Vertex for Q1. HollyFrontier has been trying to start up for a year, only ran 54 million gallons at 3 plants. So like I said, pick your poison here. But any of those facilities come on, it's positive. And once we get DGD 3 up to -- at rate or above rate, you're going to see it change pretty rapidly here. Sandy, anything you want to add?

I think the great thing about DGD 3 or DGD in total is that even despite what's going on here with feedstocks is we're taking in different feedstocks from around the world. And I think that, that's been a huge benefit to us, bringing those internationally because we're able to take advantage of the lowest priced feedstocks available in the world because we do have those capabilities. And so I think it will just increase margins as we go further on to the year.

Okay. And then maybe just a quick follow-up on the cash flow. The K mentioned a capital contribution to DGD in the first quarter. Maybe just an update on kind of the capital needs right now for DGD and maybe the timing of when we might start to see the distribution. I did see you're guiding for some DGD back to Darling starting this year.

Yes. Tom, this is Brad. Yes. So you heard earlier, kind of right there at the end of the year with the cold weather, with the kind of startup on number 3, with working capital and whatnot, that contributed to the contribution, no pun intended, on what we did here of $75 million per partner in the -- up to the filing here. And so the outlook is as Randy and Sandy have mentioned, number 3 is working its way up to capacity kind of as we speak over the coming days in this month. And as that occurs, we will see DGD become debt-free and would anticipate distributions starting sometime by midyear, I would frame it that way, if not earlier.

And the next question will be from Manav Gupta from UBS.

I actually wanted to follow up on something you said, and I completely agree. There are some small players out there who are claiming they can produce SAF, they were never actually produced RD. And what's interesting is they've gone ahead and signed like 500 million, 700 million gallons of contracts out there. And as you pointed out, these are not real gallons. There is no SAF behind them, but you will have the real gallons. So my question here is, let's say, if Delta, American and all these airlines come to you and say, "Please sign a 400 million, 500 million, 600 million gallon contract for 8 or 9, 10 period -- year," would you be open to such contracts because you have the real SAF gallons versus these guys?

Yes. This is John. I think you're hitting on something that we see in the SAF market, which is there's a lot of promises for SAF gallons out there that, quite frankly, we don't really understand how people are going to commercialize and bring to the marketplace. So we believe we're going to be one of the real players in the marketplace. And one of the few real players in the marketplace that are going to have physical gallons available for folks. I think with all of the promises that have been made out there, that's going to put us into an ideal position. How we commercialize, how we do in terms of signing contracts and some folks and so forth, that will evolve over the next year or so for us. I wouldn't want to prejudge and essentially say, listen, we're willing to be taken out by one individual counterparty. We're just going to have to see what the market develops. But there's no doubt, and we can already see it starting to churn in the marketplace. People are going to start going from phantom gallons to real gallons. And when they do, there's basically only 2 doors that people can knock on to get those real gallons, and we're one of them. So we're looking forward to those conversations. We're engaged in those conversations with our counterparties out there. Want to try to put this -- turn this into a situation where it's a real advantage for the folks that actually do end up signing the SAF gallons with them because we think they're going to be in a really advantaged position in the marketplace versus their competitors. We think that will evolve over the next 10 to 12 months.

I think phantom gallons is a perfect word for that. My follow-up quick question here is just going back to the guidance. The guidance of $1.8 billion to $1.85 billion does not include Gelnex. So if you do close that, there is still a strong possibility that by the time with the higher -- slightly higher fat prices and stuff and Gelnex in there, you could still be looking at probably $1.875 billion to $1.9 billion. That cannot be ruled out, I'm just saying at this point of time.

Yes. That's true, Manav. I mean, we're just -- until we get antitrust clearance and know the exact close date, I'm just not willing to put a number out there. But we're telling you that it should contribute between $75 million and $100 million this year if we get to close that we can -- that we think we're going to get here.

And our next question will be from Matthew Blair from Tudor, Pickering & Holt.

Randy, I was wondering if you've been following the recent LCFS workshops from CARB? And if so, do you have any updated thoughts on where these future LCFS credits are headed?

Yes. And I'll -- I'm excited about it, and -- but I'll let Sandy answer it.

Yes. I think we're very excited about the proposed increased stringency among the CARB program, going from 20% in 2030 to a reduction of 30%. As you know, as you look at what CARB's model that sell in '24, I think they're around 110 per metric ton and then going in 2026 to the 200,000 are meeting the cap and then beyond that further. So I think that, that's very positive in terms of credit prices. I think that it's very positive in terms of green premiums for us. And obviously, we're very supportive of that. There was another thing that CARB also proposed that I think that we're really excited about, and that's the LCFS obligation for intrastate flights. I think that, that would really support our SAF market. And when we come online in 2025, provide just additional demand, et cetera, from that program. And I believe that the jet market there is about 400 million to 425 million gallons. So we're excited about both of those things. And that, that's only good news for DGD and Darling.

Can I add here? I think one of the really interesting things that there's always so much wringing of the hands on what's happening with LCFS credits in California, whether or not we're going to get an extra couple of hundred million on the RINs market. The reality is when you look at what's happening on the policy front around the world, Europe, Canada, California, increasing their LCFS credits, Washington State coming on, New Mexico considering, New York considering implementing on a regulatory basis, a variety of tax credits that are going in, in places like Illinois regarding SAF and other states are considering similar. We are in an explosion environment on the demand for low-carbon fuels. And what the marketplace has seen is that they can source low carbon fuels without the credit prices being massively high. This is great news for Darling and great news for Diamond Green Diesel. It's more demand for the waste fats in our base business. And what it means for Diamond Green Diesel, which quite frankly, when you take all these announcements and so forth that are out there, if you believe those announcements, there would be a massively more renewable diesel in the marketplace today that there is. The reality is there's more renewable diesel in the marketplace today because of Diamond Green Diesel 2 and Diamond Green Diesel 3. And there's not much else out there right now. So the fact of the matter is we see these policy developments as absolutely being perfect for the vertically integrated low-carbon strategy we put in place. I'm a little surprised that there's not more excitement about the low carbon demand market that's developing out there than there is. We seem to assess all the details and kind of miss the forest on this.

Sounds good. And then circling back to the feed margins. I remember that Q3 was impacted by just the hot weather, which led to increased spoilage. So I guess is the way to think about it that the benefits that you got back in Q4 from cooler weather were just completely offset by the negative impact of these 2 fires? And can you quantify the total fire impact? I think you said $4.5 million for Ward. Was there a similar impact at Tacoma? I'll leave it there.

Tacoma is a much smaller factory, but probably a couple of million in the quarter would be my guess. Remember, in Q4 is where the global energy prices that ran up, flowed through, too. So at the end of the day, tonnage was strong. Protein prices were strong. And you have to go into our financials, and you can see how much fat is actually inbound to Diamond Green Diesel. Remember, we don't recognize those profits that are in there. And those numbers are much bigger now, the amount of fat that Darling is shipping intra company than it's been in the past. And so that's part of it, too, that's down there that we don't try to trade a segment for 10 million in a quarter, and there's at least that. There's deferred going to Diamond Green Diesel right now, and that's a big number from in the past.

And the next question is from William Baldwin from Baldwin Anthony Securities.

Just a quick question. I know it's early in the game, but what's the thinking as far as the feedstock that would primarily you think be used for SAF? Is that going to be similar to the feedstocks we're looking at for the RD? Or would that broadened out to include low-carbon ethanol and things of that nature?

I think in terms -- this is Sandy. In terms of what DGD does and what feedstocks it sources is it would be very similar to what we're using for renewable diesel. So when we produce SAF, we're not only producing SAF, but we're also producing renewable diesel at the same time. So we don't anticipate deviating from that model. So it's going to focus on the waste feedstocks. That's going to be your animal fats, your used cooking oil, your corn oil. And the great thing about it is, is we've begun sourcing worldwide. And so we just have a plethora of different feedstocks that are available to us. And we have the great unit that can handle all of those feedstocks, and it's in a great location here in the Gulf where we easily source those feedstocks as well. And so we don't anticipate it changing. It should be very similar to what you've seen in the past.

Okay. One additional question on feedstock. Does poultry fat find its way into the formulas for DGD's feedstocks?

Yes. Poultry fat is one of the feedstocks that Darling uses. Typically, when we're talking about it, we're talking about animal fats or we lump it in with that category. So it is something that we do use.

And the next question is from Ben Bienvenu from Stephens.

I want to revisit the sustainable aviation fuel topic. Obviously, a huge market and opportunity for you guys, and you're moving in a meaningful way with your announced investments. Can you talk about kind of what the factors were that prompted that announcement now? I know you guys have been studying this for a while. So maybe it was just reaching the end of the due diligence process. But if you could help us think about as we look down the road, what are the key things you'll be focused on as you consider potential incremental expansions beyond even what you've announced today -- or earlier this year, excuse me.

Specific question is why now on SAF...

What are the potential triggers to continue expanding?

Well, obviously, the Inflation Reduction Act being passed is a huge trigger in relationship to that. We have been going through -- when we make capital investments in this area, we're kind of the only guys in the renewable space that actually come in on time and on budget or ahead of time and on budget. We're very careful. Our partners, Valero, worked through an extremely careful capital deployment process in which we understand our cost and what we're going to do, so the plan will work. We were at the point where we had completed that, and we were waiting for the right policy signals. And we saw that with the Inflation Reduction Act. But more than that, I think what we see now is a total commitment from the airline industry here and around the world saying that they need SAF. And when we looked around the marketplace and said, where is the real gallons of SAF, we came to the conclusion that we could be one of the few suppliers out there that's actually not selling phantom gallons. And so we just thought it was an excellent time to put ourselves in a position to begin the discussion with airline partners and other partners who fly packages around the world who may want to be the guys that were able to back up their claims about SAF, usage of SAF. We think the timing is perfect. It seemed like the right time to go on Port Arthur.

Okay. Great. And then I want to ask just about the tallow markets. Obviously, you talked about the incremental or potential demand associated with RD expansion, but we're also in a troughing beef cycle, which I would think would further tighten feedstocks available. That should be great for your tallow pricing in your Feed Ingredients business. Can you talk a little bit about what you're all expecting around the beef cycle and the potential incremental pricing power that could give you guys in your animal tallow business?

Yes, Ben, this is Randy. I mean, clearly, what we once saw again was the fragility of the global, what I'm going to call, waste fats or animal fats business. Remember, if you take the bushel of corn, even at $6 or $7 a bushel, divide by 56 times 3.25, it says waste fats are worth about $0.40, $0.45 in a feed ration. So once we went offline with the turnaround, once DGD 3 wasn't able to unload as quickly as we wanted to, once Neste went down, once the -- all of a sudden, you put, as I always call it, to the supply chain team, we put an air bubble in the IV line again in the supply chain. That will remedy itself. It has to, and it will happen very quickly. I mean, you saw palm oil. Remember, this is a global business. For the -- we were so proud that we finally achieved parity with global fat and oils to the side. And then we found out how fragile they are again. But at the end of the day, you can't stay a big premium to palm oil for a long time. And you can't stay a big premium to soybean oil, and U.S. soybean oil can't stay a big premium to the rest of the world unless you're going to build the RD capacity and it's truly running. And what you've seen out there is what we've been telling you, we don't see the RD capacity. It may have some steel up, and some of it may run at reduced rates. So I mean, clearly, like I said, you can't have it both ways. On the animal side number, the poultry numbers are still very strong. The porcine or pig numbers are strong. We're seeing some movement in Europe on pig numbers a little bit. And the beef numbers, yes, they said the cow, calf herds are the smallest since 1962, which is when I was born, which is hard to believe. But at the end of the day, our plants are still seeing just we're full. So I really don't see much of a cycle here. Now remember, we're not -- we do process for some of the big names out there, but the little guys always seem to stay full versus the big guys when there's any type of contraction of herd size out there. And so ultimately, at the end of the day, I see -- I mean, over 20 years, we've seen a 1% or 2% change in raw material volumes in any contraction year. We're not seeing that now. Anything you want to add, John, that I missed?

No, our lines remain very strong at this point in time. Obviously, we realized the cattle herd is cycling a little bit. The other thing although that I would -- I think we have to keep in mind is we have a global footprint on sourcing. Obviously, FASA puts us in the middle of Brazil, and that's a large cattle area. And so we're diversified now on the origin source of where we're sourcing all of our raw materials, and that helps us. That stabilizes our footprint, gives us opportunities. When one country is going down a little bit, oftentimes another country's going up a little bit, so raw material supply looks extremely good.

And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Randy Stuewe for any closing remarks.

Well, once again, thanks for all your questions today. As you know, we'll be attending several investor conferences this March, which are listed on our website. As always, if you have any questions, reach out to Suann. Stay safe. Have a great day, and I look forward to being back in front of you here this spring to give you a progress update. Thanks again.

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