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Ducommun Incorporated (DCO)

Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 6, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2012 Ducommun Earnings Conference Call. My name is Jeff, and I'll be your coordinator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Chris Witty, and you have the floor, sir.

Chris Witty

Analyst

Thank you. And welcome to Ducommun's Second Quarter Conference Call. With me today is Tony Reardon, Chairman, President and CEO; and Joe Bellino, Vice President and CFO. I would now like to provide a brief Safe Harbor statement. This conference call may include forward-looking statements that represent the company's expectations and beliefs concerning future events that involve risks and uncertainties and may cause the company's actual performance to be materially different from the performance indicated or implied by such statements. All statements, other than statements of historical facts included in this conference call are forward-looking statements. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's expectations are disclosed in this conference call and in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2011. All subsequent written and oral forward-looking statements attributable to the company or persons acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by the cautionary statement. Unless otherwise required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, after the date of this conference call. I'd now like to turn the call over to Tony Reardon, for a review of the operating results. Tony?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. And thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I'll begin by providing an update on the quarter and some market color after which I'll turn the call over to Joe Bellino to review the financial results in detail. Ducommun continued to make steady improvement sequentially this quarter. We saw better operational performance in our AeroStructures business, margin expansion within our DLT business unit and benefited from overall strong commercial aerospace demand. We posted revenue of $184.7 million in our earnings, excluding any tax adjustments, rose sequentially to $0.37 per share from $0.23 in the first quarter, while we generated $10.5 million in cash flow from operations. Adjusted EBITDA also rose to 11.6% of sales from 10.3% both the second quarter of last year and the first quarter of 2012. Our operations are clearly benefiting from increased build rates across a number of key commercial platforms, particularly the 747 and the 737, as well as higher shipments for military helicopters like the Blackhawk and Chinook programs. However, within our non-aerospace markets, we, once again, saw a softness in demand, such that our industrial and natural resources areas posted revenue that was down slightly sequentially in aggregate versus the first quarter. We expect these end markets to remain flat for the rest of the year, and with return to a growth likely in 2013. Year-to-date, we generated nearly $6 million in cash compared to an $11 million usage of cash last year, a testimony to our focus on sound working capital management. As Joe will discuss in a moment, we plan to pay down a portion of our debt in the third quarter in line with our goals to delever the balance sheet. At the end of the second quarter, we had a backlog of approximately $640 million, which…

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

Thank you, Tony. And good day, everyone. After the market closed this evening, we reported results for the second quarter of 2012. Net income grew to $5.5 million or $0.52 per fully diluted share, that compares with $4.8 million or $0.45 per fully diluted share last year, excluding acquisition-related expenses that we incurred in 2011. The 2012 second quarter results include a tax benefit of $0.15 per fully diluted share reflecting a lot of hard work and analysis we have done and further integration benefits that we're realizing from the LaBarge acquisition, which in this case, relates to our ability to file consolidated state income tax returns for the combined entities, another win in the integration goals that we've set. Importantly, and as Tony noted, we saw sequential gains in financial performance, including improvements in operating margin, net income and cash flow. While Ducommun's year-over-year returns are available in our earnings report and the 10-Q, we thought it would be more meaningful to you, if given the LaBarge acquisition, to discuss the sequential improvements in our results. During the second quarter of 2012, as compared to the first quarter of 2012, we expanded our gross margins to 19.5% from 18.7%. We reduced our SG&A expenses to 11.9% of sales from 12.3% of sales, and in the process, we expanded our operating margins to 7.6% from 6.4% in Q1 2012. These gains reflect the expansion of margins in both of our business segments, with cost synergies realized at DLT and absorption of new development expenses at DAS. During our previous earnings call in May, we discussed our higher operating margin expectations, and we're pleased to report that we're headed in the right direction. In addition, during the second quarter, we generated $21 million in adjusted EBITDA or 11.4% of revenues, and…

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Thanks, Joe. And before opening the call to questions, I'd like to expand on a point I made earlier about Ducommun's evolving relationship with our customers. A few weeks ago, we exhibited at the Farnborough Airshow, where we had the opportunity to meet with many of our A&D customers. And we heard on a number of occasions just how interested they were in our expanded offerings and capabilities since the LaBarge transaction. It's one thing for us to say that we're a much better and more capable company, but it means a great deal more coming from our customers. The OEM market is increasingly using more integrated electronic content on their platforms, and they now understand that our business model, with our combined DLT and AeroStructures operations, can provide more advanced assemblies, sub-assemblies and modules going forward. With this in mind, we're working to deliver more value-added solutions and deepen our customer relationships. This won't happen overnight. And it's already taking place in terms of technical discussions, collaboration, high-content opportunities and the broader breadth RFPs that we're receiving. In a very -- it was very exciting to hear about the future of our customers, and we're working very hard to secure our position in that future. Overall, we're pleased with the progress to date and with our sequential improvements in the operating results. And we remain positive about the focus that we have in terms of ensuring our margin expansion and our earnings increases going forward. Given our backlog and strong mix of programs, we believe the second half of 2012 will bring a converging of positive factors across our business, positioning Ducommun for solid results in the quarter to come. Lastly, before closing, I'd like to welcome Joel Benkie, who joined Ducommun on June 18 as the Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. Joel comes from a distinguished career with Parker Aerospace, a unit of Parker Hannifin, and has a strong strategic and operational background. He's already proven to be a great addition to the team, and will make a positive impact on our future results. As always, we appreciate our investors' patience and interest, and we remain confident that we're on the right path to increasing shareholder returns. With that, Jeff, I'd like to turn the call open for questions, please?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] It looks like our first question comes from the line of James Lebenthal with Lebenthal Asset Management.

James Lebenthal

Analyst

I apologize because I'm going to ask you a question that I think you've answered before. I know you've answered before, but looking at the debt pay down, could you just remind me and others which particular debt instruments you're looking to pay down in the second half?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

We're looking to pay down on our Term Loan B.

James Lebenthal

Analyst

And what is the interest rate on that? I'm sorry to ask you to remind me.

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

It's $190 million of aggregate. We were paying at 1% down quarterly, principal and interest. But the all-in rate right now is 5.5%. The other piece that we have is a $200 million unsecured senior debt. That is a non-call for that is pretty onerous for us to prepay before we get to the 2015.

James Lebenthal

Analyst

And would I assume that in 2015 that all things being equal, obviously, none of us can predict what the world will look like, but if you have the cash in 2015, you would try to pay that down instead, right?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

That's a correct statement, yes.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Absolutely.

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean because our all-in cost of interest is about 7.75%. So we're trying to drive that down, both from a reduction of the amount of outstanding debt, as well as change in the mix.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of J.B. Groh with D.A. Davidson.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

The backlog was down a little bit sequentially, which I'm assuming is maybe timing related. Could you talk about orders subsequent to the quarter and how those have progressed?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Yes. Sure. Just -- J.B., we had a large order from Philly on the Chinook program for about $19 [ph] million, which we've subsequently booked. We have a couple other orders that are in the -- that are finalized, we're just waiting to get through the DCAA audit process. But suffice to say there's $25 million to $30 million or $40 million of those orders that are on the military side waiting. And then every quarter, we pick up an order on the Boeing 737, so that increases on a quarterly basis in that program. So I think that we're pretty well positioned. We -- of the major programs that we have, in particular on the military side, we're just starting to see the bookings on the Blackhawk program coming through now. So we should see we should see a relatively good pick up in the second half of the year.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

And then on the 737, what -- the order flow that you're getting now, sort of, what build rate does that reflect?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

It's about 34 to 35 ships sets a month.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Okay. So there's still a little room to go there?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Yes. Yes. We don't expect to see anything in a larger area increasing until late in the year from a -- to get to the 38, if they do that.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Okay. And then just from your comments, it seems like you guys have a relatively high degree of confidence that your military portfolio is pretty stable, even in the face of sequestration. How do -- how are you doing that? I mean...

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

I don't -- hopefully, I didn't give the impression that it was stable in the face of sequestration. It's stable, and I think that there are opportunities out there. So I think that what we're seeing, I don't think anybody is stable in the face of a sequestration. So if I gave that impression, that was not correct because everybody's going to take a hit on that, the way that's set up right now. Unless there are some things that are worked out between now and the end of the year. But I do think that there are a number of programs that we have that are not impacted by a sequestration. So the C-17, for example, is a perfect program. Most of those sales, I can say 95% of those sales are foreign military sales that we have. So that backlog is loaded with foreign military sales, and the current U.S. government sales I don't see them cutting any of those from sequestration. F-15 and F-18 programs, they're both loaded with foreign military sales. F-15 is all foreign military. So we've got a good size of our backlog on the defense side that is posted for foreign military sales. And so we do not expect those to be impacted by the -- by a sequestration. So it would reduce the impact on us by some margin, because of that.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

How do we -- any way to -- can you give us a, sort of, indication as to what percentage of your military business should be foreign? Is there a way to do that?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

It's very tough to do that. But it's -- if you just took a look at the percentage of the defense business that we had, and said that somewhere between 25% and 30% of that was devoted to foreign military [indiscernible].

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

J.B., I might add, though. When you look at the Q that we've filed that's been posted, a breakdown of those backlogs, I think, are really telling. Because in the DLT military electronics sector, since the beginning of the year, those backlogs have grown from $212 million to $251 million. There is a good underlying growth of that. That includes some of the bookings of F-15 and F-18 that's mostly to wiring and interconnectivity solutions, which are smaller applications per order. Where we see flatness and some shrinkage in our Ducommun AeroStructure military portfolio, where the beginning of the year was $141 million, we booked some orders on the C-17 for 2 years, and there it's shrunk to $115 million. But when we add in the $18 million of the Chinook, it's $134 million, $135 million. We do expect 3% to 4% shrink coincident with the decline in the Defense budget on just the structure side but our underlying military electronics business looks very, very solid, positive and growing.

J. B. Groh

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

And the DLT stuff is mostly retrofit, correct?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

No. It's actually new build and some retrofit market.

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

And defense, missile defense.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Missile defense. Heavy on the missile defense side. So it's-- I think that's an area that even if you look at [indiscernible] budget, we'll look at what governments do, both the House and the Senate are doing. Both those budgets look pretty stable on -- and consistent with what [indiscernible] is doing on the Department of Defense side.

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Some of the drivers of those again are -- the macro drivers are more electronic content in cockpits and other parts of the aircraft that requires more complex solutions, we benefit from. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Alex Hamilton with EarlyBirdCapital.

Alexander Hamilton

Analyst · EarlyBirdCapital.

Joe, you had mentioned -- you highlighted how margins sequentially improved this quarter. And I believe you had said that you expect sequential improvement to continue. Can you talk about the low hanging fruit and what gives you the confidence to get there? And then can we talk about sort of a longer-term profile that we should expect?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · EarlyBirdCapital.

I'll go back and, say, from the fourth quarter, when we had an unacceptable 17.2% gross margin, and we expected that range to be between 17.8% and 18.4% and we hit 18.7%, we were pleased to show that we exceeded that. And we said that we continue to make improvements and that the improvements will come on the DAS side as we continue to drive down the cost of delivering some of these new programs that we have been dealing with over the last 16, 18 months. That's the primary driver of seeing the margins improve. On the -- when you look at the numbers on the DLT side, you'll see, sequentially, our sales were down because we had softness in the non-A&D portfolio over there. But we've managed that business well to maintain the margins and take some costs out. So in terms of -- we look to keep working on a continuous improvement to nominally improve those margins, and hopefully, we'll get a pickup in sales at some point in time that will improve our operating margins a bit.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Carter Leake with BB&T Capital Markets.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

So I'll be taking it for Jeremy. So bear with me as I get up to speed like he was. Let's start with the weakness in the RJ market. Can you give some color on that? What were you seeing there?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Weakness in which market?

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Regionals.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

The regionals, yes. I think that we're heavy on the Bombardier 700, 900 series. So they've cut back on their build rates from last year. So that's -- so they've gone from, roughly, 4 through most last year and cut back to about 2 ships sets a month. But we see some of that picking up, actually, now. And then -- that was the biggest part of the softness on the RJ side.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

But do you see that picking back up? How does that pick back up?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Well, I think we're seeing some spares pick up on their side of the business. But it's not -- I don't think the build rate itself is going to...

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Okay. Just -- you mentioned some platforms, can you give any A350 impact this quarter? Or is it too early for you?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

We have some A350 sales but it's not -- it's still on the development side.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

And then you mentioned 737s and 747s, any color on 777s and 7-8s [ph] in the quarter?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Well, they were up, both of them. Quarter-over-quarter and actually year-to-date both programs were up. 747-8 is starting to come into its own. So we've got pretty good content on that aircraft. So it's -- we saw an increase in revenue on that.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

And I'm not sure if you guys do this, but I have a June presentation that it looks -- your annual expected growth rates, do you update that on the quarter? Is that something that you do?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Yes. Yes, we do. We -- those growth rates that we post on our website, we review those quarterly and even sometimes monthly. We just posted ours today that reflect our updated financial information and that. We haven't changed those growth rates because we think they're really more applicable to 2 to 3 years out rather than just quarter-to-quarter.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Okay. But these are the new -- the ones I'm seeing in the June presentation are the current annual expected growth rates?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Yes. And we have an August presentation out now on the web -- our website.

Carter Leake

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

You do? Okay. Great.

Joseph Bellino

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bhakti Pavani from C.K. Cooper & Co.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst

You guys touched on the sequential margin expansion for the gross margins on the operating income. Could you share some color on the top line on what sort of sequential growth are you expecting for the second half?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

Well, on the -- if you trend it, we have been ranging, in the last 4 or 5 months -- quarters, excuse me, between $182 million and $188 million a quarter. We've been averaging $185 million. As we look to the second half of the year, we see continued growth in our military electronics business, and we see increased shipments in our commercial aerospace business. Offsetting those, we're going to just be seeing softer sales, either flat or sequentially down a little bit in the industrial sectors and in the natural resources sectors. So we're looking for measured improvement in growth, sequentially.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst

Okay. Talking about the tax benefit that you guys received for Q2, is that something that is one time? Or do you expect that continuing going forward?

Joseph Bellino

Analyst

No. That's a permanent change. We expect that, we're -- we -- we're -- we spend a lot of time in terms of tax planning and tax strategy. And because we're able to file consolidated returns with all the entities involved, it translates to a lower effective state tax rate, really a permanent change in the future.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

But it's -- but it won't be that size [indiscernible] So we were able to pick up first quarter and second quarter in that reduction. And so going forward, it will be -- it will have an impact of somewhere between 1% and 3% on an overall tax rate.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst

Okay. Last -- I mean, last -- I'm sorry, last week you received a contract from Bell Helicopter for the AH-1Z Cobra program. Could you share some light on what does that mean for Ducommun? And what growth -- I mean, what kind of a growth opportunity do you have there? If you could share some color.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Well, the actual program that we received is a significant in a couple of ways. I think that it's a development program that -- with the -- this is a brand new helicopter development program. So as we go forward, it's a combination of 2 of our business units. So it's driven through both our engineering division, as well as our structures division. And it has some significant growth opportunities. We have a couple of nice applications on the ducting system for this helicopter. So we don't -- I mean, we -- I think we gave some dollars output in the release. But we're actually limited about what we can say about the program from our customer.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Up next, we have Mike Crawford with B. Riley & Co.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

First, regarding next year, your -- you have some trepidation regarding if there's actual sequestration. But if there's a 6-month continuing resolution that reverts that kind of worse-case scenario, what kind of impact do you -- would you see that having on your business?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Mike, this is Tony Reardon. I don't believe that the continuing resolution has any impact on sequestration. So sequestration is part of the Budget Control Act. And so what the continuing resolution does is allow the budget to go forward for 6 months. So it gives the government the ability to go spend on the things that they need. But the impact of sequestration would impact the funds available for the continuous -- the continuing resolutions. So you would be impacted by sequestration no matter what.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

Okay. And then just on the expected margin expansion, I think it's a little bit -- several factors: one, just gaining more experience on some of the new programs; two, maybe working on more value-added complex subsystems. And then, I guess, reduction of R&D expenses. But if you tried to weigh the importance of each of these factors, what's giving you the most bang for the buck?

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Well, I think the -- clearly, the biggest bang for the buck is the reduction of the development costs. So we've got a very aggressive operational excellence program running in the facilities there in brand-new development, and we've been successful quarter-over-quarter in hitting the targets that we placed before the operations. And so we're going to continue to do that. I think that there are also opportunities to expand margins on some of these higher level assemblies that we're looking at. So we have a number of opportunities out there, many we -- we haven't captured those, and I'm sure that there'll be some start-up development costs related to those. But I think that as we go along, I think the biggest bang for the buck is going to come from moving the AeroStructures margins north and reducing the overall exposure on the development costs.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, since there are no further questions in queue, I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Reardon for closing remarks.

Anthony J. Reardon

Analyst

Okay. I would, again, like to thank everybody for joining us today. And again, thank you for your continued interest and support. And we look forward to speaking with you for the next quarter. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a wonderful day.