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Ducommun Incorporated (DCO)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 4, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Ducommun Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will host a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the call over to the moderator Chris Witty. Sir, you may begin.

Chris Witty

Analyst

Thank you and welcome to Ducommun’s third quarter conference call. With me today is Tony Reardon, Chairman and CEO; and Joe Bellino, Vice President, CFO and Treasurer. I would now like to provide a brief Safe Harbor statement. This conference call may include forward-looking statements that represent the company’s expectations and beliefs concerning future events that involve risks and uncertainties and may cause the company’s actual performance to be materially different from the performance indicated or implied by such statements. All statements other than statements of historical facts included in this conference call are forward-looking statements. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company’s expectations are disclosed in this conference call and in the company’s Annual Report in Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2014. All subsequent written and oral forward-looking statements attributable to the company or persons acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by the cautionary statements. Unless otherwise required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, after the date of this conference call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Tony Reardon for a review of the operating results. Tony?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Chris and thank you everyone for joining us today for our fiscal third quarter conference call. I’ll begin by providing an overview of the quarter, including some market color after which I’ll turn the call over to Joe Bellino to go through the financial results in detail. Let me start by acknowledging that we had several one-time charges this quarter, which were preannounced, amounting to some $22.7 million on a pre-tax basis. Nearly $12 million of this was related to the previously discussed extinguishment of our debt and the implementation of new credit facilities, which will save the company around $15 million annually going forward, but the other cost bears on further discussion. We booked a $10 million charge within our AeroStructures unit related to estimated cost overruns for the remaining contract period of the regional jet program. This is a program that has been problematic for quite some time and was aggressively bid originally. While we remained in discussions with our customers about potential price adjustments, we are not optimistic that such negotiations will make this program profitable. So, we are taking this charge even as we continue our discussion and will proceed through the contracted period, which is approximately one year. This is obviously a major disappointment. We also booked a restructuring charge of approximately $800,000 related to a closure of two facilities over the coming months. The first being a small administrative office in St. Louis and the second plant in Houston that primarily served the company's oil and gas market. Both locations are within the Ducommun LaBarge Technologies unit. We expect these closures and related organizational realignments to result in cost benefits that should save the company $2 million to $3 million annually when fully implemented. The Houston plant will cease the operations at…

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Thank you, Tony and good day everyone. And thanks for the kind words. Looking at the third quarter of 2015 results, earlier today we reported a net loss of $9.5 million or $0.86 per share for the current quarter. This compares to net income of $2.9 million or $0.26 per diluted share for the third quarter of 2014. I will get into the details in a moment, but as Tony mentioned, this reflects a pre-tax charge of $22.7 million, which is $1.28 per share on an after-tax basis and it includes the following pre-tax charges. The recording of a $10 million forward loss reserve on a regional jet program, a $0.8 million restructuring charge, and $11.9 million charge for debt extinguishment expenses incurred relative to our new debt structure, which we finalized during here the third quarter. Net sales for the third quarter of 2015 were approximately $162 million that's roughly 14% lower than the comparable period in 2014. The revenue decline reflected a $26 million decrease in the military and space revenues. In this area, we have seen reduced demand for both structural solutions and technology applications. This reflects lower aggregate government defense curtailments and shifting spending priorities. Within the commercial aerospace arena by contrast, which was up slightly year-over-year we continue to experience solid revenue as we benefit from the sustainable large commercial air frame build rates and increased content. During the quarter, we experienced significant growth in our commercial aerospace bookings both in the structural and electronic solutions, largely contributing to our total backlog at quarter end being nearly identical to year-end 2014. We expect the current macro environment to be similar over the next few quarters. We had previously indicated that 2015 would be a transition year as we work through the decline in demand with…

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. Before turning the call over to questions, let me briefly reiterate that we are committed to rightsizing Ducommun quickly and appropriately given the current market dynamics. Even as the company’s commercial aerospace business continues to grow, headwinds caused by our defense and our non-A&D end markets may mean quarterly revenue remains similar to the current level for the foreseeable future. So we will look to further streamline our operations, realize supply chain efficiencies and reduce working capital while accessing our product portfolio and manufacturing footprint to strengthen the company. This has been a challenging period but 2015 remains a year of transition and we will do whatever we have to, to make sure that we ensure renewed growth, improved performance and margin expansion and higher cash flow for 2016 and beyond. And with that, Tricia, I would like to now open up the call for questions please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of J.B. Groh with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Thanks guys. Joe, congratulations on retirement and accomplishments on the balance sheet, it’s great.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Thank you, J.B.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Just to clarify so there is $9 million in aero structures and $0.8 million in DLT in terms of the ad backs to get to sort of an adjusted operating margin.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Well the delta was $9 million. We actually took a $1 million reserve in last year’s third quarter. So we actually took a $10 million, that’s the one we preannounced but the delta is $9 million but that is in the DAS segment and the $0.8 million is in the DLT segment.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Okay. And then you mentioned that you’re going to take a little bit more in Q4, can you break that out by segment or is that unknown at this point?

Joe Bellino

Analyst

It’s probably…

Tony Reardon

Analyst

It’s probably 60% to 70% on the data side.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Okay. All right.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Because it’s related to that consolidation.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

And then do you have I don’t know and we have to wait for the Q to come down but the different revenue numbers within the segment.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

We have that in front of us. What would you like?

J.B. Groh

Analyst

I think in the Q you break out military and commercial and aero structures and then you break it down I think but the five components in the DLT.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Yes. Would you like me to go over it?

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Yeah, that would be great.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

Ducommun Aerostructures revenues for the third quarter of 2015 were a total of $64.1 million. It was broken out between the military and space defense structures of about $16 million and in the commercial aerospace sector it was $48 million approximately.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

Okay.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

As we look at the other segments of the Ducommun LaBarge Technologies business segment, that was a total of $97.5 million broken down to round numbers of the defense technology sector with $54 million, commercial aerospace $13 million, energy and natural resources was $7 million, the industrial sector was $11 million and the medical was approximately $13 million.

J.B. Groh

Analyst

That’s perfect. Thank you. That’s all I needed. Thanks a lot, Joe. Thanks.

Joe Bellino

Analyst

You’re welcome. Okay, J.B.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Edward Marshall with Sidoti & Company. Your line is now open. Mr. Marshall, if your phone is muted, please un-mute it.

Edward Marshall

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Hey, guys. How are you doing this evening?

Joe Bellino

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Hi, Ed.

Tony Reardon

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Hi, Ed.

Edward Marshall

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Hey, Joe, you will be missed. I really enjoy working with you.

Joe Bellino

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Thanks a lot. We got a real good team coming up with Joel and Tony.

Edward Marshall

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So I wanted to start with I went back to the call last call and we’re talking about specifically to the DAS segment and you’re talking about stabilization in the military and the anticipated running of those second half run rates that you saw similar to the first half maybe with small declines. And clearly you guys have a backlog, I’m just kind of curious how a 52% decline kind of snuck up on you in the quarter? What changed significantly from the time we had the call to end of the quarter here?

Tony Reardon

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I don’t think it really snuck up. I think the big difference Ed was two-fold. One was we had a pretty sizeable schedule slides in the helicopter market close to about $7 million of schedule slides that just came into third quarter and affected the third quarter sales. Some of that sales went into Q4 but most of it slid into 2016. So that was one issue and then probably the largest change year-over-year in terms of revenue was just the fall off of the C-17 which was not this quarter but the Apache was significant. That was another like $9 million year-over-year change in the revenue base. So those two were pretty large hits to the military side, I don’t think they snuck up on this. The one that did snuck up on us was the schedule slides. We weren’t anticipating that but that was more significant than we anticipated and that was just about on everyone of our major military helicopter programs.

Edward Marshall

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Now, the schedule side implies that you anticipate that that revenue is coming back in but your comment suggest that you’re going to be running at this run rate for a while. Can you kind of…

Tony Reardon

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It’s kind of smooth things out for us, so everything is going to the right. So we had on the Blackhawk we had a lower build rate but a lot of the Blackhawk sales for us are spare parts for leading edges and…

Edward Marshall

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So you’re not making up those sales in fourth quarter, you’re just going to go back to schedule.

Tony Reardon

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That’s right.

Edward Marshall

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Okay.

Tony Reardon

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They are sliding out to the right, Ed.

Edward Marshall

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So, is the defense weakness, is it getting worse or is this kind of the run rate from here?

Tony Reardon

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I think this is the baseline. I think there is a possibility that it can go down a little bit more given budget constraints but we don’t see any major changes that we haven’t forecasted right now.

Edward Marshall

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Okay. And when we think about the commercial expectations, you talked about growth in that business and that defense is stabilizing and then at the same time we’re going to stay at this 160 run rate on a quarterly basis. I guess the math would imply you’d see some growth of that 161 base. Is that the right way to think about it?

Tony Reardon

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Yes. But what we are doing right now is we have a number of development programs in particular in the commercial side we do have some military wins that we announced. But most of the growth impacts us late 2016 and 2017. So if you – when we look at the decline in the military side it’s only back up a second and just talk about the marketplace in general. But on the military side, if you look at the overall industry, you see about a 5% to 8% drop at the OEMs and that equates to what we saw in terms of the drop here because we are in everyone of the OEMs. Conversely on the commercial side, we are penetrating the large OEMs on that best level so they see 2% to 3% growth next year in the 2017 and we are seeing about 5% growth in 2017. So we anticipate that the commercial marketplace will pick up for us as the 737 MAX and A350 programs on A320 NEO start to hit the marketplace.

Edward Marshall

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Okay, got it. You mentioned another $1.7 million to $2 million of charges in the fourth quarter.

Tony Reardon

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Yes.

Edward Marshall

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What is the savings that you anticipate to realize of those charges?

Tony Reardon

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We anticipate about $3 million to $4 million in savings on those going forward.

Edward Marshall

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So an additional $3 million to $4 million?

Tony Reardon

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Yes.

Edward Marshall

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Okay. So if I think about your total savings here, we are looking at if you include the interest savings as well, I mean is it right to think that you’re saving in somewhere between $1.40 to $1.60 in earnings on an annual basis? Is that – that’s kind of the math here?

Joe Bellino

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Yes, that’s correct.

Edward Marshall

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Okay.

Joe Bellino

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We are using the normalized tax rate and the 11.3 million shares.

Edward Marshall

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Is it 11.3 or 11.1? I mean I saw that but I imagine there is some – some of the shares were non-dilutive considering…

Joe Bellino

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It’s 11.1 when we have a bracketed net loss.

Edward Marshall

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Right, got it.

Joe Bellino

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But when it’s an income, some of those shares are in the money and they are added to - the diluted shares are added to it.

Edward Marshall

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Cash generation as sales drop I anticipate working capital comes back to the business. Do you have a kind a thought process? Do you have an idea of what we could think about from a cash flow which by the way have been pretty good for the past three years, but do you think it significantly takes another step higher with the working capital pull out from the business? I would imagine it would.

Joe Bellino

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It’s not going to be significantly higher because we do have cash outflow from the reserve we took. It’s the cash outflow there could be $2 million to $4 million down and then the lower revenue generation. We will have working capital coming out, there is no doubt about that. So as we model it, we think we’ll be in that $40 million range on cash flow from operation. So roughly the same area $28 million to $30 million in free cash flow.

Edward Marshall

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Got it. And lastly you’ve been paying down debt, you’ve paid down additional debt into 4Q. I’m curious are we still in the $30 million pace a year, is that kind of the goal on a go forward basis?

Joe Bellino

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Yeah. I mean we paid $25 million. We think we have opportunities between $5 million and $10 million more. Like I commented, our cash flow at the business cycle we believe it will follow normal seasonal patterns although it might be down from previous years but the patterns are similar.

Edward Marshall

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Got it. Thanks very much.

Joe Bellino

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Thanks, Ed.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Mike Crawford with B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Thank you. First because the Q is now today usually is the day that you report the earnings, but can you give the stock-based comp…

Tony Reardon

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

It should be up, Mike. I’m pretty sure we posted it.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Yeah, it was posted and accepted by SEC. It may be SEC didn’t posted on their EDGAR.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay, it could come shortly but to my knowledge from the services i.e. it’s not available yet, so could you just give me the stock-based comp number so I can have the EBITDA number that’s comparable to our EBITDA estimate that’s comparable to all the other EBITDA that we track for your peers.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

I could give you what the cumulative…

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Yeah, for the nine months.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

On the compensation from the cash flow statement, for the full year, the stock-based compensation expenses are $2.8 million for the nine months.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay, thanks.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

That’s an add back.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

And then I guess when we do see that Q, then we will see the backlog components. You gave some of the revenue components. Are there any and before we see that, are there any particular movements there of note?

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Yes. From just sequentially from the second quarter that went from $524 million to $553 million. The biggest movement was a significant amount of bookings in commercial aerospace that went from $195 million approximately to $250 million, that’s a big number, $55 million. Our defense overall bookings went from $255 million approximately to $240 million.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Defense backlog.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Defense backlog. And then the rest of our non-A&D was the bookings were pretty much mixed, a little bit of a drop in our medical and other because we would had pretty good shipments of medical and other during the quarter. Energy was about flat and industrial was down just about $2 million. So all of that, our bookings went from about $75 million - our backlogs in the second quarter went from $75 million to about $63 million.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks Joe, that’s actually a good segway from my next question. So you talked about $63 million in non-A&D backlog. And Tony, you mentioned something about possible portfolio considerations relative to those businesses. Does it mean that you might consider divesting these businesses?

Tony Reardon

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Not entirely. We are just looking at – we have our overall portfolio look and then as we look to each segment, we are looking at which parts of these portfolio enhance like we’re pretty robust in terms of the industrial market and offered equipment and things of that nature. So I think that there is certain marketplaces that we are penetrating, that we are looking for growth, the medical markets have been pretty solid for us. So those are marketplaces that we look at and then we look at potential divestitures in marketplaces where we don’t feel like [indiscernible] we should be but we haven’t made those decisions yet and we’ve got a plan across the board that were taken all of our capabilities and within the platforms but we haven’t made any decisions there.

Mike Crawford

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Tony Reardon

Analyst · B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Hi, good afternoon.

Tony Reardon

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Hi, Ken.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Hi, Ken.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Congratulations, Joe. You will be missed on these quarterly calls.

Joe Bellino

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Thank you, Ken.

Ken Herbert

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I just wanted to follow-up on the commercial business. I mean you’ve clearly continue to win a lot of business there with growing backlog but at the same time you’ve obviously had another charge this quarter on the regional jet program. Can you just talk about as you continue to build the backlog in the commercial business maybe how you’re better, you’re risking some of these programs or maybe either from a price or execution standpoint just what you’re doing to obviously get better confidence from an execution standpoint on these programs moving forward.

Tony Reardon

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Okay, good. I think that’s a good question, Ken. What we’ve done across the board and over the last three years is really take a hard look at new program introduction and how we’re developing that. So we have a face gate system that we put in place that we are utilizing for everyone of our key new development programs as we go forward. The regional jet program leads back quite a few years and was not unfortunately a part of this process. As I indicated on that program, it was aggressively bid and we are unable to hit the efficiencies that we need in order to make that program profitable. So on the programs going forward, we have a double check system that where you’re going back and making sure that we are hitting the margins that we quoted in terms of our cost inputs and coming down the learning curves that we anticipated. So we do thorough reviews in some cases on a monthly basis, in some cases on a quarterly basis turnaround the program. So I think that internally they have program reviews, so I think that we really beefed up that system. We looked at this program and a couple of other programs that we had struggled with it early on several years ago and we’ve really changed the system for we introduce new products.

Ken Herbert

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Okay. Would you say Tony that’s helpful, would you say that on the content you win for example on the 737 because I know obviously both from Boeing and Boeing’s major suppliers [indiscernible] other companies, pricing pressure is certainly continuing to increase even obviously as the rates are going up. Would you say that the pricing you’re getting now and winning is better than what you’ve gotten in the past or you able to the better execution, the cost cutting maybe drive some margin improvement or you getting any price of these contracts?

Tony Reardon

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We are not getting any price I can tell you that. It’s very highly competitive bid and but we do as we walk through the program identify areas where we think that we can be more efficient and we’ve done some really interesting things with however doing some job so that we can be more efficient on those and so we are really doing it out of lean manufacturing side, we’re getting after the cost levels. But the programs as you know and the pressure that we receive from our customers in terms of cost base and pricing pressures is all there, so it’s also difficult to get higher prices.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Yes, okay. Just one final question on the commercial side, clearly there is again just recently speculation about another step up in rate, you’ve heard it out of Airbus or the A320 likely out of Boeing 737. Are you capitalized to support a rate of 60 or even higher on the 37 and then second just your view I’d be interested in commercial cycle, are we maybe just getting ahead of our sales here a little bit.

Tony Reardon

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Okay, let me answer your first question first. And I think that yes we are capitalized. We may have some tooling adjustments, we are evaluating that now. We are going through rate readiness with both customers, both Airbus and Boeing as we look at tooling requests may be some adjustments in tooling to make sure that we hit those higher rates and then work our way through that. But in terms of capitalization we are pretty well capitalized. We will be capitalizing over next year and the following year for new business programs that we brought on online but those are for brand new applications as oppose to existing business days, but that’s all part of the bid process when we bid the program. Now in terms of the commercial market and where we see that in terms of the growth rates, again I think it depends on two things, you know we talk about that internally a lot, but it really depends on how the capital markets are behaving and the capital available for, say the emerging markets so that this issue with Axiom Bank does not help the Boeing Company, for example and therefore has a direct reflection on us in terms of financing customers overseas. So hopefully we get through that, we change that from a congressional standpoint and get that past. I think that will benefit that. So that has a bearing in terms of how these things are financed and I think that’s one aspect. The other aspect is how strong will the emerging markets in particular China be going forward because I think a major thrust in terms of selling out there is in China. But I will say that both Boeing and Airbus have 5 years to 6 years of solid backlog. So, I don't see a crash here and unless there is some slow down for whatever reason, we will enjoy the current rates that we are at for sure.

Ken Herbert

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Okay, okay that’s helpful. And maybe just one final question. You talked about savings, specifically as you consolidated some of the facilities in upstate New York and I know you got the titanium facility there and very good capability, can you provide any more quantification around that within the broader opportunity that you are seeing on the cost side?

Joe Bellino

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Well I think that’s, what we will see there is higher efficiency. I know that you are looking for some numbers, but what we are doing is working through that. We still have some additional costs that we have to work through as we consolidate that facility, but we have it laid out I think from a extremely lean performance standpoint and I think that when we look at this business we will be much more efficient in the flow of that business and be able to take on additional new business as well. So, we think that we will get some marginal improvement. Again, when you get marginal improvement in a business unit the reflection of top takes a little bit, you know at the DAS level, so it may not be as great there, but we are expecting to see some marginal improvement within that business segment itself.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Okay great, thank you very much.

Tony Reardon

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Ken.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Ken.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Christopher Van Horn with FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Dan Draba

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Hi guys this is actually Dan Draba on the line for Chris. First of all Joe congrats, it's been a pleasure getting to know you.

Joe Bellino

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks Dan.

Dan Draba

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Hope everything goes well. Yes. So, if I could get down to the details of this private label deal that you guys announced yesterday, it looks like this is for medical technologies, so is this the kind of relationship that you might be leveraging, I guess just sort of given the cost consolidation that you guys undergo, is this kind of relationship that you guys might be leveraging in sort of those non-aerospace and defense markets going forward?

Joe Bellino

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Yes, well it is a possibility. This is, what we’ve done is we’ve tied into a distributor [parts] like that will help us penetrate markets as two elements due, one is our ability to get parts manufacturing authority and sell new products as well. So, it is primarily in our RF product line, but it issomething that we are looking at in the non-AND marketplace where we have the ability to sell our own products. In most cases Dan in the non-AND we are making the print business similar to our aerospace market. This particular product line that we have is our own design work and we are developing through that. So, this fits what they do very well. They will be as generic as well as offers us a tremendous benefit to get into marketplaces that we are not in on a more secure basis.

Dan Draba

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay great thanks for the color. And I guess just looking more broadly, I know you guys don't really want to speculate that much about the defense budget environment in 2016, but we have been hearing some fairly positive things regarding the progress that Congress has made so far on this front, so do you think that just sort of on a more broad scale, where we've reached the trough here in contracting?

Joe Bellino

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

I think so. We still have to deal with the budget constraints, I think out in 2017, but I think it sounds like we have a two-year deal and that to me will add significant stability to the budgeting process and also the contracting process. So, one of the things that we’ve seen on the military side is not only the slowdown in spending, but also delays in contracting, which has been because of the CR’s and place and things of that nature, so we’re bullish on this, if this happens we think it will add a lot of stability to the marketplace, how much of an upswing will happen in the marketplace, I doubt that there is going to be a big upswing, but it certainly will add the funding to the programs that need to be funded and will put us in a position to have a better predictability on the programs going forward.

Dan Draba

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay thanks. And I guess on that note when you are looking at the defense space, do you see any specific technology or just areas that you might want to become little more exposed to once that budgetary environment recovers?

Joe Bellino

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

I think there is two areas in particular. One is we are very heavy into the missile defense side a bit and we continue to penetrate that marketplace and we think the budget will help stabilize that and put us in a position to continue to pursue the applications that we are facilitating [indiscernible]. The other one is in the modernization I think there will be more money on some of the margin expansion programs that we are working on and developing and this - the release of the Balmer Contract [ph] I think that bodes well. We are bullish on that, now that is a long-term development program but I think that is really been a nice pickup and I think that will benefit our business going forward. So, we’re really solid on that. So, if you look at the missile defense market and if you look at the modernization programs and upgrade programs, I think that’s where we will benefit the most from.

Dan Draba

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

All right, terrific. That’s a lot of help. Thanks guys.

Chris Witty

Analyst · FBR & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks Dan for your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I’m showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Tony Reardon for any closing remarks.

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Tricia, and thank you everyone for joining us today and we look forward to talking to you at our fourth quarter conference call. Have a great weekend. Have a great week, thank you, bye now.

Operator

Operator

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