Jordan L. Kaplan
Analyst · Scotiabank.
Well, we've looked at a lot of that. I've looked at that a lot because I've been curious to like what can I expect when -- I can't tell you -- as an economy, we're a huge economy. So when things get going, they just get going on all fronts and they're going. But I've tried to -- we've tried to look at what -- like what can we expect when the economy does get going. And when people are saying, okay, we're super comfortable spending, expanding, hiring, whatever that list of stuff is, regardless of the industry, I mean, because we have a pretty robust mix of industries in our markets. How can this thing move? How fast can this thing move? And so we've looked back at I mean, Ken and I have been running this for -- for sure, 4 recessions, and you might even call out 5. And so we have a tremendous amount of history on like portfolio recovery and how quickly we leased. And I think if things -- the most recent one, the 2008, '09, '10, whatever you want to call that one, that was one of the slowest in terms of annual gains, but we didn't lose a lot in that one. It's funny because that one was like, you just thought of like the great -- even greater than a normal recession. But we actually didn't lose as much as you might have expected. But if you go back to some of the other ones, you're going to come out with an average to say, if we're really in really big recovery, the thing can move about 3 plus or minus 3% a year of increase in occupancy or increase in lease rate. That's like more than -- like which industry does it come from? What industry is driving? Is it education? Is it research? Is it accounting? Is it legal? Is it entertainment? Is it vacation or whatever, tourism. I mean there's a lot of industries that are here. But when people are comfortable in the economy, that's the kind of movement we've seen out of what we have, which is a relatively large portfolio. That's the way it can move. Our average is actually over 3%.