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Operator
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Mind Medicine Full Year 2023 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. Currently all participants are in listen-only mode. This call is being webcast live on the Investors and Media section of MindMed's website at mindmed.co. And a recording will be available after the call. For opening remarks, I would like to introduce Rob Barrow, CEO of MindMed. Please go ahead.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Thank you and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our full year 2023 financial results and corporate update conference call. The press release reporting our financial results is available in the Investors and Media section of our website, and our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, is being filed today with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During today's call, we will be making certain forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, statements about the potential safety, efficacy, and regulatory and clinical progress of our product candidates, our anticipated cash runway, and our future expectations, plans, partnerships, and prospects. These statements are subject to various risks, such as changes in market conditions and difficulties associated with research and development and regulatory approval processes that are described in the filings made with the SEC, including our annual report on Form 10-K being filed today. Forward-looking statements are based on the assumptions, opinions, and estimates of management at the date the statements are made, including the non-occurrence of the risks and uncertainties that are described in the filings made with the SEC or other significant events occurring outside of MindMed's normal course of business. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which are made as of today, February 28, 2024. MindMed disclaims any obligation to update such statements, even if management's views change, except as required by law. Joining me on today's call are Schond Greenway, our Chief Financial Officer; and Dr. Daniel Karlin, our Chief Medical Officer. We are excited to be providing this financial and business update during this important period for MindMed. 2023 was a highly productive year for MindMed, which included with positive Phase 2b results for MM120 in the treatment of patients with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, or GAD. We believe…
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Schond Greenway
Management
Thanks, Rob, and thank you all for joining us today. We will now turn to our financial results for the year ended December 31, 2023. As of December 31, 2023, the company had cash and cash equivalents totalling $99.7 million, compared to $142.1 million as of December 31st, 2022. We believe that our available cash and cash equivalents as well as our committed credit facility are expected to fund operations into 2026 if certain milestones are achieved to unlock additional capital. For the year ended December 31, 2023, net cash used in operating activities was $64.4 million compared to $50.1 million for the year ended December 31, 2022. Research and development expenses were $52.1 million for the year ended December 31st, 2023 compared to $36.2 million for the same period in 2022, representing an increase of $15.9 million. The increase was primarily due to increases of $16.1 million in expenses related to clinical research and product development for the MM120, GAD Phase 2B trial, and $2.6 million in internal personnel costs as a result of increasing research and development capacities, which were offset by a decrease of $0.7 million in expenses related to our MM402 program, a decrease of $0.8 million in expenses related to various external research and development collaborations, and a decrease of $1.2 million in expenses related to preclinical activities. General and administrative expenses were $41.7 million for the year ended December 31, 2023, compared to $30.2 million for the same period in 2022, representing an increase of $11.5 million. The increase was primarily attributable to professional services fees and expenses related to the proxy contest in connection with our 2023 annual general meeting of shareholders and additional costs to support the growth of our business. The company's net loss for the year ended December 31st 2023 was $95.7 million compared to $56.8 million for the same period in 2022. I will now turn the call back to Rob who provides some closing comments.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Thank you, Schond. This is a very exciting time for us at MindMed. We believe that the initial data on MM120 and GAD that we shared in December validates our scientific understanding of MM120's mechanism of action and shows the potential for an emerging best-in-class product profile compared to today's standard of care. We look forward to sharing the 12-week data from our Phase 2b study of MM120 and GAD at our upcoming investor event on March 7th. We're excited to be on the cusp of moving forward into Phase 3 with this program, which we currently expect in the second half of the year following upcoming consultations with the FDA. As we come to a close, I want to extend my sincere appreciation and gratitude for the critical work and unmatched execution that has brought MindMed ever closer to realizing our mission. I would like to thank our highly talented and deeply committed team, our research collaborators and clinical investigator teams, our investors, and the many other individuals who have been supportive, including especially our patients and their families. We are working tirelessly to deliver on the therapeutic potential of our pipeline and to transform the treatment landscape for the many individuals living with brain health disorders. With that, I'd like to thank you all again for joining us today and I'm happy to take any questions.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Brian Abrahams with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
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Brian Abrahams
Analyst
Hi there. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the continued progress. So looking forward to seeing the data in just a couple of weeks. A couple of questions in that regard. I guess I'm curious, is there an internal bar that you guys are aiming for with regards to the 12-week durability data or sort of a minimum appropriate durability for regulators or for what you're thinking would be the most viable commercial opportunity there. Are you seeing anything different with regards to dropout rates between weeks four and 12? And then maybe just lastly on the ODT formulation, I'm just curious what your expectations are for what the PK profile would need to show to maximize the chance of replicability in a Phase 3 study? Thanks.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Terrific. Yes, thanks so much, Brian. So, taking each of those, in terms of expectations, as we were heading into the announcement of our week four primary data in December, and we talked a lot about the backdrop of SRIs and benzodiazepine and the effect sizes we are seeing there. Each of those drugs has different dynamic where benzodiazepines can of course be used acutely and have been approved on endpoints such as a four-week endpoint. Whereas SRIs, typically because they take longer to separate from [indiscernible] take longer to take action, I have looked at longer term endpoints. But that same sort of effect size standard, I think is something that we would set as a general expectation. If we could exceed an effect size of 0.4, that would represent an improvement over the standard of care. Of course, if we can do that after a single dose for up to three months, that would be particularly exciting for us. But certainly, what we saw at week four was a response where we had half of the patients in remission at that point, and we saw really on average HAM-A scores that were relatively stable and flat. We didn't lose any activity between week one response to week four response. And so, certainly in an optimistic scenario, we continue that kind of response out through 12 weeks. And certainly from some of the historical data we've seen from studies of LSD and anxiety and depression, we've seen in many instances six to 12 months or even longer of activity. So we certainly are excited about the durability and think it will give us great insight in terms of how long those effects can last in any patient. In terms of the dropout rate, it would reserve any comments there…
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Brian Abrahams
Analyst
Great. Thanks so much, Rob.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Thanks, Brian.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Charles Duncan with Cantor. Your line is now open.
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Charles Duncan
Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.
Yes. Hey, good morning, Rob and team. Thanks for taking our question and congrats on the progress. Looking forward to March 7th. Appreciate the disclosure of that. Had a couple of questions with regard to Phase 3 trial design. I know it's pending an update or a meeting with the agency, but when you think about the sizing of that trial and then think about the sample of your Phase 2b as enrolled, how could those things change in Phase 3? And then I'll come back with another question. Thanks.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, thanks so much, Charles. So in terms of Phase 3 trial design and sizing, of course, there's going to be multiple factors that play into the finalization of the study sizing and the [total population] (ph) we enroll in that study. From a statistical standpoint, of course, if we were to replicate and use the effects we've seen now at four weeks to size a study into a power analysis, it implicates or it indicate a very small study of even smaller size than we conducted in Phase 2. Now, we want to make sure that the study we conduct is large enough to support the overall program and be generalizable and be something that we can stand behind as a pivotal clinical trial. But we certainly don't anticipate that we're talking any substantial increase if we ultimately are able to see the kind of effects we saw at four weeks carry through to week 12.
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Charles Duncan
Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.
Okay. And then my second question is for the pivotal study. I guess, I'm wondering as you look at the Phase 2b can you speak to the role of therapy or lack thereof or functional blinding in the data that you've seen and how you'll consider that for the design of the Phase 3.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, it's a great question. It's certainly an important topic that there's been a lot of discussion around. Functional unblinding is something that has been a point of focus, but I think has been ignored how prevalent it is in psychiatric drug development. We have entire classes of drugs such as the psychostimulants which of course have clear perceptual effects. We have SPRAVATO, where there is a clear perceptual effect associated with effect in a majority of patients in those studies. So we really don't think from a methodological standpoint that there's actually anything different that would [indiscernible] deviating from a long, well-established gold standard of the design and conduct of these clinical trials. Importantly, the lack of therapeutic intervention in addition to the drug in our Phase 2 study means that, in our view, it's very closely aligned with FDA's guidance from 2023. And it means that we don't have to make any changes to conform with that guidance as we go into our Phase 3 program. So in terms of trial delivery and functional unblinding, we anticipate we will continue to dose the drug in the absence of any sort of therapeutic intervention. Patients will continue to be under safety monitoring, as we did in the Phase 2, but overall the delivery protocol will look nearly, if not, entirely identical to our Phase 2b approach. In terms of functional unblinding and selection of controls, again, what we've actually seen as we look across studies is that, what appears to drive a nocebo effect is more of a therapeutic involvement in the studies. For studies where there has been a heavy adjunctive psychotherapeutic component. Through the conduct of those studies, we've seen in many instances a reduced placebo response or even a nocebo response. In our study, we saw a robust placebo response, which we, again, don't believe -- we believe our robust placebo response is a function of not including any sort of therapeutic intervention. And actually functional unblinding is just simply a sort of mechanism connecting the expectancy biases reinforced by that therapy to potential impact on clinical outcomes.
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Charles Duncan
Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.
That's helpful. Last quick question, then I'll hop back in the queue, sort of related to intellectual property. I guess if we fast forward to a future world of a successful, pivotal, and eventual approval, I guess how are you thinking about protecting the franchise? Is it mainly based on IP? Is it driven by the ODT or could there be other, call it, in-market factors such as the REMS that really provide the best protection against possible, call it, competition? Thanks.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, thanks so much, Charles. So as we conceive of and have developed our market protection strategy, intellectual property is effectively a tool in the toolbox to protect a market, and it's really important that intellectual property and the overall market protection strategy is something that is differentiated, that is protectable, and that ideally has Orange Book listed patents that can utilize both regulatory and legal mechanisms to protect that market. The LSD, the API that we are developing as an MN120 product is something that has never been approved before by FDA. And so, in our view, at a minimum we're looking at five years of marking exclusivity as the first NCE approval. Additionally, with Orange Book patents that we believe will protect our product candidate, we think that would extend any sort of generic applicants and then protect from those for at least the 30 months stay on the back end of that. Now from an IP standpoint, again, it's been very important for us to develop our IP in the context of a broader market protection strategy whereby we have the ODT formulation that we hope to show a differentiated product profile. Again, as I mentioned before, we've already actually seen that in its physical instability performance. That puts us in a position where it would be quite difficult to replicate, if not impossible to replicate our product. We are using Catalent, which is the only provider of -- only manufacturer of ODTs that dissolve as rapidly as the [Zytos] (ph) ODTs do. And by protecting that and then sort of create a very narrow path that someone would have to develop to try to replicate our product and we have a robust IP or fortress around that pathway. So we're still very confident in the IP protection itself, but beyond that even as you mentioned REMS, there are certainly many instances where REMS and some of the delivery dynamics are an area where we'll see enhanced market protection and differentiation of our product and company, and that's something that we're also integrating into our planning and strategy for market protection as we go forward.
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Charles Duncan
Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.
Thanks, Rob, for all the comments.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Francois Brisebois with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.
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Francois Brisebois
Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.
Thanks for taking the questions and the updates here. Just in terms of the -- I was wondering if we could touch on the commercial side. I think what's helpful is, maybe if you can help remind us of what's going on with the esketamine on the SPRAVATO side? And just maybe the learning from them that it gives you confidence with your potential commercial opportunity?
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, thanks so much, Frank. Anyone who's been following the neuroinnovator and interventional psychiatry area has seen certainly the explosion of both clinics and now adoption and sales of SPRAVATO, which J&J is now guiding for between $1 billion and $5 billion of sales. Incredibly promising and exciting that new treatments in this succession-based delivery paradigm are having such a significant uptake. We look at the dynamics for delivery, for reimbursement, for provision of care, and the incentive structures at each level that motivate providers to adopt and deliver SPRAVATO. And when we look at each of those levels we believe that our product actually stacks up favorably. And in many of the interactions we have with payers, with sites, with providers, prescribers, we also come to that same conclusion that the dynamics of delivering a drug one time for one day over the course of several hours is favorable than having patients come back up to 56 times a year to comply with the SPRAVATO administration, and that the overall time, again, if we're able to show durable clinical effects out to three months or beyond, the overall time a patient would be spending in the clinic has actually significantly reduced compared to SPRAVATO. From a reimbursement standpoint, there's also some advantages here where because of that reduced time in the clinic, things are getting reimbursed like patient monitoring for SPRAVATO, which are reimbursed and can cost in excess of $15,000 a year as a medical benefit to payers. We would potentially have savings to offer to reimbursement to payers there. There are clearly defined codes and mechanisms for both prescribing of interventional psychiatry drugs like SPRAVATO that would be applicable to our product, for monitoring as I mentioned before, and of course for reimbursement of the drug. So really I think that -- while there certainly is work to be done, it's important for us to -- as we have talked about in R&D, to really continue to emphasize that there is an already existing infrastructure and delivery paradigm that is seeing overwhelming success and uptake now, and that really launching into a market where we can outcompete at those locations and all those dynamics is just the base case. Based on the profiles of our drug so far in development, we certainly believe that there's an even more expansive opportunity for additional locations where the drug can be administered, because we don't have -- ultimately proven out in Phase 3 studies, we don't see a physiological risk that would require any sort of physiological monitoring to date. So that gives us, again, an extraordinary opportunity and excitement around the potential to both out-compete in the locations and pathways and channels that SPRAVATO is being delivered today, but even beyond that to expand into other delivery locations and to an easier adoption in a broader sort of location.
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Francois Brisebois
Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.
That's super helpful, Rob, thanks. And so, is it fair to assume that from discussions that from the paired perspective, it seems like what they might care about is maybe remission, rapid onset, durability. And if that's correct, if those are kind of the big three, if there's anything I'm missing, please let me know. But on that case of durability, four weeks is great. From the company's perspective, it's a little follow up on a previous question. Is the 12-week kind of gravy here, or is this extremely important when you have discussions with payers?
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Rob Barrow
Management
Certainly, the durability, each of the components you mentioned are really the key. Remission, we haven't had many drugs in psychiatry where a significant portion of patients really enter remission quickly and stay there. If we're ultimately able to show that as at four weeks we had 50%, one in two patients were in clinical remission and didn't have anxiety symptoms any longer, if we're able to show that out to 12 weeks, of course, it means that for three months after a single dose, patients who came in with severe anxiety would not have anxiety. That's a game changer in terms of patient care. In terms of onset, that's another one that is particularly important as we talk to KOLs and our [SAB] (ph), for instance, to have patients come in the door and reliably know within -- as we saw in the Phase 2 study, 24 hours there was a clinical response on the CGIS, which is the only metric we have in the study to measure that rapid of a change. But to have rapid onset also gives providers the ability to know very quickly whether a patient is having benefit or not. It's important from a payer standpoint, but I think critically important is also to understand because of that onset, payers want to, of course, capture value. They want to -- they were happy to pay for it and prior to the payers, they have said, we will pay for these kinds of drugs if we can capture value. And capturing value is a function of how clearly and how robustly patients respond to the drug and how durably. So all of that sort of converges around, if we see rapid onset with durable clinical benefit and a significant portion of our patients remaining in remission. We think both at provision of care and at payer level there's a clear path to success there. You mentioned expectations out to 12 weeks. And certainly what the data we have seen so far, which is through four weeks, puts us in a position where we're absolutely moving forward into a pivotal program. If we were to see continued response and durability out to 12 weeks, that would just continue to build on the case and the prospects for the program. But certainly what we've seen so far is enough to move forward and we're making plans accordingly.
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Francois Brisebois
Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.
All right. Thank you very much. Congratulations on the progress.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Thanks, Brian.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sumant Kulkarni with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.
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Sumant Kulkarni
Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I have a two-parter on MM120 development and a financial one for Schond after that. So the two-parter is, could we expect to also see 12-week data on the change in the MADRS score when you present your durability data on March 7th? And if you were to ultimately pursue an indication for depression with MM120, is there a preference on whether you would like to target major depressive disorder or treatment-resistant depression?
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, thanks so much, Sumant. So in terms of data we'll be presenting next week, we would expect in terms of outcome measures to present a similar set of outcome measures we presented for week four. So that would include HAM-A, CGIS, and MADRS, so we're excited to share data both on response with anxiety symptoms, but also with comorbid depression symptoms. In terms of development and the ultimate indication, reserve that as we advance in planning and scoping potential additional indication in psychiatry and so that at the appropriate time, we'll get further clarity there. The thing is, it's important as we talked about reimbursement, there are multiple dynamics here. Just because a drug is approved for major depressive disorder, as we've seen some of the more recent entrants, the more recent SRIs that have come to market that are labeled for major depressive disorder, of course, programs like Sage and Biogen, it’s a [Randalome] (ph) program, which was ultimately being developed in MDD. The regulatory label certainly provides a broader set of patients that could be eligible on label for administration of the drug. But certainly what we'd anticipate is that, payers are likely to expect to be treating patients where there is value. And that is both a function of severity and non-response to prior treatment. So again, reserves this on final determination or guidance on what that indication would be. But I'm certainly considering a broad scope in depression related indications.
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Sumant Kulkarni
Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.
Got it. And then the financial question. Could you comment on what your cash runway would be without the additional unlocking from milestones?
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Schond Greenway
Management
Good question, Sumant. I think that, at least from our standpoint, our historical burden has typically been somewhere between $15 million plus or minus 20%. And so in addition to that, as it relates to the K2 facility, again, those are milestones that are performance-based milestones such that we have the option as we continue to execute on a plan to be able to draw those items down. So they are in part of the overall funding strategy.
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Sumant Kulkarni
Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.
Got it. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Elemer Piros with Rodman & Renshaw. Your line is now open.
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Elemer Piros
Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Your line is now open.
Good morning, gentlemen. Can you hear me?
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Rob Barrow
Management
We can. Hi, Elemer.
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Elemer Piros
Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Your line is now open.
Good morning. So I'd just like to re-circle back to, and I think the question was asked by Charles, on the size of the Phase 3 trial. We clearly saw a massive signal-to-noise ratio in the Phase 2 trial, at least up to week four. But how do you balance, Rob, the fact that there are ICH guidelines out there and this drug could be potentially approved for millions of patients in terms of when you design the set of Phase 3 trials.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, thanks so much, Elemer. It's a great point and question. That's why, too, when we talk about the finalization of the Phase 3 program and protocol, there are many factors that come into play, of course. Overall patient exposures, we want to make sure that the results are externally valid and generalizable to that magnitude of a population. I think what we're really particularly encouraged by seeing recently Lykos Therapeutics MDMA for post-traumatic stress disorder, NDA be accepted by FDA. That development program was in the mid-hundreds of overall exposures. Granted, there's a lot of historical exposure data there, like with LSD, right? There is certainly a long understanding of these molecules and a long history of research for these molecules in this drug class. But as we conceive of a Phase 3 program, again, we want to make sure that it is something that is generalizable, that supports an overall development strategy that leads us to a marketing application. But again, it kind of reserve the final commentary on exactly what the size that will be as we enter into Phase 2 discussions with FDA and ultimately arrive at a final study.
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Elemer Piros
Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Your line is now open.
Yes. And Rob, you alluded to this earlier that you placed much less emphasis on the therapy component. You're going to be talking to the FDA within several months while they are evaluating the Lykos application, which is heavily dependent on therapy. How do you distinguish to the FDA between the two paradigms of the necessity of adjacent therapy versus focusing on the drug effect in your case?
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes, it's a really important topic in terms of differentiating. There's a lot of discussion and Reagan-Udall Foundation recently put on a panel, which many may have attended, where we had some discussions and dialogue on the panel with us, with [Compass] (ph), and with [MAPS] (ph) about these sorts of matters. But from a development standpoint when we are approaching FDA, really we limit any sort of engagement with formal meetings with FDA to the scope of our development program. We've since day one charted a very clear course that is to demonstrate the standalone drug effect of our product candidates. And that -- there's certainly a discrete -- well, there's a loose definition that includes things like all mind-altering substances such as SPRAVATO and ketamine and MDMA. We're talking about really a distinct drug class with the serotonergic psychedelics and with MM120 in particular. And so our approach will be informed by our data and by our strategy and by our understanding and engagement previously with FDA about what the expectations are. There's been a clear -- the guidance from 2023 made quite clear the need to characterize the standalone effects of a drug and that's exactly what we've done really uniquely for the first time in the field have done. So we feel really confident in our approach and the ability to support that as we enter pivotal study.
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Elemer Piros
Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Your line is now open.
Thank you. Thank you very much, Rob.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Thanks, Elemer.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio of H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst
Good morning, team. This is [indiscernible] for Patrick. Understanding that depression is different from anxiety, should we anticipate a Phase 3 program designed similar to COMP360 design in depression? And should we anticipate a true placebo being part of a program? And then I have a follow-up question.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes. In terms of control conditions, and of course this likely topic we'll want to line around with FDA in our Phase 2 meeting. We fundamentally believe that regardless of mechanism of action of drugs and regardless of the qualitative differences in the perceptual effects of this drug class versus, say, psychostimulants or the dissociative anesthetics like ketamine or SPRAVATO, the gold standard in research is to conduct placebo-controlled studies. Using a non-placebo control as a comparator in studies is something that calls into question the interpretability of the study results and really, I think, the validity of studies -- of that nature in general. So certainly our preference and our strong belief is that placebo-controlled research is the right way to conduct research. It's why it's a gold standard, and it's why it's indicated by ICH and effectively every international body that regulates and conducts research in medicine. In terms of the scope of the Phase 4 development program, we've said previously we anticipate doing two 12-week placebo-controlled studies as a target, but we're going to reserve final commentary around the study design and the dynamics there. And when we have our End-of-Phase 2 meeting with FDA, we do anticipate continuing patients on into open label extension study to characterize what would happen upon re-treatment and just demonstrate even further durability out to perhaps a year longer.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst
Thank you. And does the Phase 3 program start depend on the outcome from the bridging study? And if so, when you expect that data to be reported?
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Rob Barrow
Management
Yes. Phase 3 program is -- planning is underway. We anticipate starting that in the second half of this year. Our bridging -- PK bridging data for our ODT product, we will be sharing next week at our March 7th and next year then as well. So look forward to sharing that, but right now we're continuing to focus and plan to implement, use that product as we enter our Phase 3 program.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Rob Barrow for closing remarks.
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Rob Barrow
Management
Terrific. Yes, thank you, Operator, and thanks everyone again for joining us here today. We hope you all join us next week on March 7th for our Investor event and look forward to sharing results at that call. Thank you so much.
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Operator
Operator
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.