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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 7, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Mind Medicine Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. Currently all participants are in a listen-only mode. This call is being webcast live on the Investors and Media section of MindMed's website at mindmed.co and a recording will be available after the call. I would like to introduce Stephanie Fagan, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer at MindMed. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Fagan

Management

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for a discussion of MindMed's third quarter 2024 business highlights and financial results. Leading the call today will be Rob Barrow, our Chief Executive Officer. He will be joined by Dr. Dan Karlin, our Chief Medical Officer; and Francois Lilienthal, our Chief Commercial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q&A. An audio recording and webcast replay for today's conference call will also be available online as detailed in the press release announcement for this call. During today's call, we will be making certain forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, statements about the potential safety, efficacy and regulatory and clinical progress of our product candidates, our anticipated cash runway and future expectations, plans, partnerships and prospects. These statements are subject to various risks such as changes in market conditions and difficulties associated with research and development and regulatory approval processes. These and other risk factors are described in the filings made with the SEC and the applicable Canadian securities regulators, including our annual report on Form 10-K and our Form 10-Q filed today. Forward-looking statements are based on the assumptions, opinions and estimates of management at the date the statements are made, including the nonoccurrence of the risks and uncertainties that are described in the filings made with the SEC and the applicable Canadian securities regulators or other significant events occurring outside of MindMed's normal course of business. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which are made as of today, November 7, 2024. MindMed disclaims any obligation to update such statements even if management's views change, except as required by law. With that, let me turn the call over to Rob.

Rob Barrow

Management

Thank you, Stephanie, and everyone for joining our call today. I'm pleased to share our progress for the third quarter which builds upon our strong execution throughout the first half of the year. This has been an incredible year for MindMed and we are even more excited about what lies ahead as we embark on our Phase 3 programs for MM120 orally disintegrating tablet or ODT in generalized anxiety disorder or GAD and in major depressive disorder or MDD. We remain on track to initiate our first Phase 3 study of MM120 ODT in GAD called the Voyage study by the end of this year. We also remain on track to initiate our second Phase 3 study of MM120 ODT in GAD called the Panorama study and our first Phase 3 study of MM120 ODT in MDD called the Emerge study in the first half of 2025. These two indications, which together affect approximately 51 million adults in the U.S. have seen little innovation in the past quarter century and represent a significant unmet medical need. We believe MM120 ODT represents a potentially transformational treatment for these populations. And if approved, could offer patients a differentiated and compelling option in both GAD and MDD, positioning it as a best-in-class and our vision of a first-in-class treatment option targeting two of the most significant unmet needs in psychiatry. We aspire to deliver a truly transformational treatment that we believe has the potential to change the trajectory of the ongoing brain health epidemic. As we progress toward the possibility of bringing MM120 ODT to patients in need, we recognize and embrace the unique opportunities and challenges that lie ahead to deliver and scale this potential. While there is undoubtedly work to do in the coming years, our engagements with patients, prescribers, sites…

Dan Karlin

Management

Thank you, Rob. Our development plan for GAD includes two pivotal clinical studies, Voyage and Panorama. Each study will consist of two parts. Part A is a 12-week, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel group study assessing the efficacy and safety of MM120 ODT versus placebo. Part B is a 40-week extension period with opportunities for open-label treatment, designed to provide important long-term data on the durability and treatment patterns for MM120 ODT. Voyage is anticipated to enroll approximately 200 participants randomized 1:1 to receive MM120 ODT 100 micrograms or placebo. Panorama is anticipated to enroll approximately 240 participants randomized 5:2:5 to receive MM120 ODT, 100 micrograms, MM120 ODT, 50 micrograms or placebo. In accordance with FDA guidance and our regulatory discussions to date, our clinical program for MM120 ODT continues to use complementary study designs intended to address key methodological considerations such as functional unblinding and participant selection. For example, in Panorama we have included a 50 microgram arm to confound participant’s ability to accurately assess the dose condition to which they have been randomized. This approach builds on our Phase 2b evidence where we demonstrated that despite functional and blinding at all tested doses, the lower doses 25 micrograms and 50 micrograms did not demonstrate a meaningful clinical response. This supports our view that the anxiolytic effect of MM120 is a true response to the treatment. While we previously observed an almost 8 point improvement for MM120 over placebo at week 12, both Voyage and Panorama have been designed to have 90% power to detect a 5 point improvement over placebo based on certain statistical assumptions. Additionally, both studies will use an adaptive design with an interim blinded sample size re-estimation, which allows for an increase in sample size up to 50% in each study. This approach helps adjust for…

Rob Barrow

Management

Thanks, Dan. Turning to our financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2024. We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents totaling $295.3 million compared to $99.7 million as of December 31, 2023. We believe that our cash and cash equivalents as of September 30, 2024 will be sufficient to fund our operations into 2027. Importantly, we believe that we have sufficient cash to extend our runway at least 12 months beyond the top line data readout for our first Phase 3 study of MM120 ODT in GAD. Research and development expenses were $17.2 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2024 compared to $13.2 million for the same period in 2023, representing an increase of $4 million. The increase was primarily due to increases of $2.1 million in expenses related to MM120 ODT’s advancement into pivotal studies in GAD, an increase of $0.9 million in expenses related to our MM402 program, an increase of $0.6 million in internal personnel costs as a result of increasing research and development capacities, and an increase of $0.4 million in expenses related to preclinical activities. We do anticipate R&D expenses to ramp up in 2025 as we get the second Phase 3 study in GAD and our first Phase 3 study in MDD up and running. General and administrative expenses were $7.6 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2024 compared to $8.4 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, a decrease of $0.8 million. The decrease was primarily attributable to lower spending in legal and commercial activities, partially offset by increased stock-based compensation expense. The company’s net loss for the quarter ended September 30, 2024 was $13.7 million compared to $17.9 million for the same period in 2023, a decrease of $4.2 million. The decrease was primarily due to…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Marc Goodman from Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.

Madhu Yennawar

Analyst

Hi, this is Madhu on the line for Marc. Thanks for taking our questions. I thought the functional unblinding data that you presented at the Psych Congress recently was really interesting around the unblinding for central raters. How do you think having fewer arms in the Phase 3 program could impact central rater unblinding? And is this type of analysis showing lack of central rater unblinding something that would be important for approval? Thanks.

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, thanks so much for the question. Certainly the data set we generated in Phase 2 is going to be an important component of our overall data package we try to take to a submission. So when we look at the results, which you're mentioning, which for everyone's sake demonstrated that 80% of the rating events in our Phase 2 study, the raters described as being unsure of whether or not the patient received active drug or placebo, and where there was a guess they were generally wrong and a pretty uniform distribution across all of the treatment arms. Those data are particularly informative because we had the five arms in that study. And so we can look at the study somewhat in isolation as evidence that functional unblinding, both at the patient level, didn't have an impact on the study outcomes as we saw consistent functional unblinding across all treatment groups. But only two of the groups actually respond statistically and clinically significantly. And then from a rater standpoint, it speaks to the clarity and the uncertainty with which there was any unblinding that came out during the structured interviews for the primary endpoint. So we don't certainly have an expectation that that would dramatically change as we go forward into the Phase 3 program. Those data on functional unblinding, because we mentioned during the call are something that is extremely common in psychiatry. Functional unblinding is the reality for virtually every psychiatry drug. And so while an area of can increase scrutiny and focus in our discussions with the agency and certainly our anticipation of as we develop the continued development program, these will be supportive and informative. But at the end of the day, what we need to demonstrate is the safety and effectiveness of the drug and in so doing should be held to the same regulatory standard of all previous drugs, which is to show a statistical and clinically meaningful difference over the placebo.

Madhu Yennawar

Analyst

Got it. Thank you so much.

Rob Barrow

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Brian Abrahams from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

James Nevin

Analyst

Hi everyone, this is Nevin on for Brian. Thank you for taking our questions. So following some recent commentary from another psychedelic competitor in depression concerning some trial recruitment difficulties that they were seeing, do you foresee having any particular difficulties as you look to initiate Voyage and Panorama in GAD? And then do you think this might be an indication specific problem or perhaps due to the specific trial design given that Dan mentioned some specific issues surrounding finding therapists and getting appointments and spaces? And then how are you looking to maybe reduce some of that friction that might be there with any enrollment difficulties?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, thanks, Nevin. It's a great question. Our team, I cannot say enough about our clinical development team and how incredibly well they can operationalize these protocols. Even when we look back to our Phase 2 study the pace at which we were able to enroll that study in GAD really set the standard for the field and was faster than we've seen in virtually any other study. And we certainly expect and plan to continue to set the standard for the field in that way. I'll say we have a very hands on close engagement with all of our clinical sites. We certainly have – there are logistical challenges with the conduct of these studies, but that's why we have the experts on our team to navigate that and an ability to really seamlessly execute and get those sites set up and get patients scheduled for dosing. So we have not seen any change that would indicate anything other than a continuation of the success we had in enrolling the study in Phase 2. And so I want to continue building on that as we go forward. Again, we have around 30 sites in the Voyage study, which is the same size as our Phase 2 study where we had 20 sites. So even there we'll have additional sites while targeting only the same number of patients. We go to great lengths across the board, everything from the degree of our site engagement to central and local recruiting campaigns. But there's also a dynamic of it was an intentional choice for us to go after the broader markets, both from a commercial standpoint, but also to operationalize these studies. Going after a general GAD and a general MDD population allows us the largest opportunity to access those patients. But in trials also allows us the greatest ease in getting those patients screened into our studies. And then when we think about across these programs, by having both GAD and MDD up and running at the same sites, in many instances it gives us a high degree of efficiency so that the patients who are screened for one indication, but for instance have a major depressive disorder and major depressive episode could then be moved over into the MDD study. So everything about the study design through to how we operationalize it is intended to go efficiently, quickly, with the highest possible quality, and again, every expectation that will continue executing as we go forward in Phase 3.

James Nevin

Analyst

Excellent. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Charles Duncan from Cantor. Please go ahead.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, Rob and team. Thanks for all the information on the trial designs. That was quite helpful. I did have a follow up question to the last one and that is regarding enrollment pacing, I guess, what would you anticipate? It does seem like you're going to be using more sites, but some of them are somewhat naïve to evaluating LST. And so I guess if you think back to the Phase 2b experience, could you assume a similar timeframe for that Voyage study to enroll or could it pace even more quickly than what you showed in the first go round?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes. Thanks so much, Charles. So our guidance for the first study is that we'll have top line readout from Part A of the study in the first half of 2026, and for the other two Phase 3 studies would be in the second half of 2026. That is certainly something that we believe we're on track to execute and do. We will, of course, be trying to streamline and accelerate enrollment at every opportunity and think the team is doing an incredible job at getting these sites up and running, and ultimately are excited about the enthusiasm we see both from potential participants in the study, but also the investigative sites in particular. So while we can’t really speak to specific enrollment rates on any given month, we certainly believe we’re on track and in a great position to execute all these studies.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

If I heard Dan correctly, he mentioned that there was an interim analysis that would be useful for conditional power for using an adaptive design. What triggers that interim analysis? Could you give us a sense of the number of patients or some other milestone?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes. At a really high level, I'd say generically, typically those analyses are done somewhere around the time of the halfway enrollment mark in studies, and we certainly think we would be generally in line with that sort of timeline. So when we enroll about half of the participants would be a reasonable time to take a look in a blinded fashion, conduct the blinded sample size re-estimation, and determine if there’s a slight increase in sample size required to maintain the power that we’ve established at the beginning of the study.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

And then my final question is regarding the GAD patient population that or sample that you intend to enroll. I think Dan mentioned HAM-A of 20 or greater being required. But are you planning to track any other phenotypic pieces of information, such as duration and symptom onset or prior therapies? And are you restricting enrollment on either of those phenotypic, call-out [ph] characters?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, I’ll turn this one over to Dan.

Dan Karlin

Management

Yes, thanks for the question, Charles. Nice to hear from you. So while the enrollment criteria for the HAM-A is set at 20, we absolutely will track a ton of other phenotypic details, certainly including treatment history, treatment that someone might come to screening with that need to be tapered off. Certainly we would be aware of those, but we get a more detailed treatment history. So both that they have had some number of treatments and what those treatments are and their duration and this sort of thing. So while we don’t use prior treatment as an inclusion or exclusion criteria, we certainly will be able to look at the performance of the drug based on phenotypic data like that at entry.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

Were any of those phenotypic details drivers to call it efficacy or even enrollment in the Phase 2b?

Dan Karlin

Management

You’ll recall that the 40 per arm design of the Phase 2b pretty small on a per arm basis. So while we can of course we slice and dice those data and try to tease out anything we can. But with the group sizes we work our way down to, we weren’t detecting any difference in any predictors of response there.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

Got it. Thanks for the reminder. Looking forward to seeing this one kick off. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Francois Brisebois from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Francois Brisebois

Analyst

Thanks for the question. I was just wondering, is there any chance, any thought about waiting for part B before reading out part A? Or is this kind of a classic part A happens, you have the data and you read it out? Then I have follow-ups.

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes. Thanks, Frank. No, we intend to, once we complete the 12-week portion of our study to lock the database for that portion of the study and read out the top line results there. So certainly while patients will continue on and we do not anticipate on individual patient basis unblinding or telling those patients what they received in part A of the study. We certainly have the capability, like in any study to lock and provide an analysis of the group results.

Francois Brisebois

Analyst

Okay, great. And on this is kind of a riffing off the prior question from Charles here. The interim readout, is there any way that interim could kind of trigger an early stoppage? Like how blinded is this? Where could it trigger an early stoppage whether or not for either the reason that things are going great and you’re there and you can stop or things are not looking good anyway, this could trigger some sort of readout prior to the final?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, thanks for the question. No, the blinded interim re-estimation, so this adaptive design, there’s no alpha spend or inferential testing that happens. We’re simply making sure that at that point that the nuisance parameters that Dan mentioned, right? So the enrollment, that the dropout rate and the variance in the pooled distribution of HAM-A scores that those are consistent with the assumptions we’ve made. We don’t look at anything about the group’s actual response from baseline or versus one another. It’s simply to make sure that a nuisance parameter doesn’t reduce the actual realized power in the study. So we won’t be testing for futility or early efficacy or spending any alpha or doing any inferential tests at that time.

Francois Brisebois

Analyst

Great. And then lastly, and I don’t know if you’re willing or want to comment on this, but any thoughts on the elections and what it can do to the space? Thank you.

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, no, it’s certainly been an eventful political week. We’ve had broad engagement with both state level, local and federal officials in many branches of government and have seen the broad awareness of the impact of mental health and brain health disorders in this country. And certainly anxiety and depression having grown substantially and being so burdensome on patients. And from a public health standpoint, we see broad willingness to engage in a really broad enthusiasm for the potential that this could represent.

Francois Brisebois

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Patrick Trucchio from H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Patrick Trucchio

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon and congrats on all the progress. The first question is just to what extent you would expect the readout from Voyage to provide a read through to the Panorama trial. And the second question is just on the MDD program. I’m just curious, what are you looking to learn from additional regulatory discussion regarding the second potential Phase 3 trial? And is there a possibility you might be able to move forward with just the single, just one Phase 3 trial?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes. Thanks so much. On that latter point, I’ll just say that we certainly anticipate doing two studies. We always will look for opportunities to accelerate our programs, but we’ll certainly have plans in place and what will be exploring further the timing and exact design of that second study. In terms of those regulatory interactions, it’s simply a matter of ensuring that we have complete alignment from a programmatic standpoint across the indications, but especially in depression, that we – the second study is aligned with what would be required for submission for that indication. So as that unfolds and as we get clarity on the exact timing and design of the study, will certainly be announcing it at a later date. In terms of read through, certainly as we continue to build a body of evidence and hopefully see as compelling of results as we saw from the Phase 2 study, we want to demonstrate consistency in response. I think certainly with the complementary designs that we were using across our Phase 2 and 3 programs, we have everywhere from a five arm study that we conducted in Phase 2 to now two and three arm studies that we’re conducting in Phase 3. And we want to see a consistent response. We ideally see continued response to MM120. And to the extent we see really promising results from a first Phase 3, it certainly will continue to build our confidence in the repeatability of that.

Patrick Trucchio

Analyst

Right. And then if I could just a follow up question on the functional and blinding discussion from earlier. I'm just curious, with the, particularly with the Voyage trial, just the importance of showing a dose response and also just as far as the, 40-week extension and I guess the kind of the long term follow-up data, can you talk about how this data could help and just in terms of sort of addressing that question around functional blinding and any other bias?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, so I think the functional unblinding will occur. It occurs in every psychiatry trial, certainly with drugs with a clear perceptual effect we have. I don't think anyone in the field really believes that for patients who take active dose of drug that there's a likelihood that they will have no idea on average. What we try to do is, use these complementary designs across the program so that we're addressing the questions comprehensively across the full program, but also within individual studies. What we established with statistical and clinical significance in the Phase 2 study was that we have a dose response and that dose response indicated moving forward with 100 microgram dose, which we're taking into Phase 3. We also saw that the pairwise comparisons demonstrated statistical significance of the 100 microgram group versus placebo. So we are very confident that we have rigorously established the dose response of MM120. Now as we go forward, the lower dose being used in Panorama, our second Phase 3 study, I'm getting a little background there, but a lower dose being used as a secondary control in Panorama is really intended to confuse someone. So entering the study may have an expectancy, but by knowing that the lower dose is there, that a dose that is clearly perceivable, but we've shown in Phase 2 is clinically not active, that that would mitigate the connectivity between expectancy bias and its clinical outcomes, which is mediated by bi-functional unblinding. And in so doing it aims to increase the integrity of the view again across the program. Now we've already done that in Phase 2, so there again we feel highly confident that based on the Phase 2 data, we are seeing a response that is not simply driven by functional blinding. At the end of the day, have three studies with different allocation ratios and different controls that seek to build a body of evidence across that full program that we're seeing a true drug effect. But certainly what we've observed to date, we feel is the best data available to anyone in the field to support that conclusion. And we'll continue building on that in the Phase 3 program.

Patrick Trucchio

Analyst

Great, thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jason McCarthy from Maxim Group. Please go ahead.

Michael Okunewitch

Analyst

Hey guys, this is Michael Okunewitch on. Thank you for taking my questions today. So I guess just one for me. I'd like to ask a little bit with, with Compass's data delay, is there any added risk on the delivery side since we're no longer likely to have another long acting psychedelic approved and on the market significantly ahead of MM120 to drive that expansion of the delivery into infrastructure?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes. Thanks for the question, Michael. So we're extremely excited and confident to be shaping this market and believe as we've been able to execute in the clinical development programs, that our team's ability to again set the standard for the field in terms of real world delivery is something we'll be pursuing. And that's something that we'll be pursuing regardless of what else happens with other programs or other organizations. But certainly as we progress here, we're very eager to continue those engagements with sites and payers and all the key stakeholders and to again set the standard for the field.

Michael Okunewitch

Analyst

Do you anticipate that having no psychotherapy components could potentially broaden the number of delivery settings that you're able to go into?

Rob Barrow

Management

It was certainly a driver of making that decision, both for the integrity of how we deliver and the interpretability of clinical results, but also to try to maximize access we can have for patients at the end of the day. So the delivery modality, what we are pursuing and how we deliver MM120 is intentional, it's by design, and it's intended to maximize the opportunity for patient access to have a broad impact on the trajectory of these disorders.

Michael Okunewitch

Analyst

All right, well, thank you very much, Rob, for taking my questions today.

Rob Barrow

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Sumant Kulkarni from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Sumant Kulkarni

Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking our questions. In your GAD trials, could you remind us, in the open label 40-week extension program, how will you maintain the integrity of the durability of effect that may be attributable solely to MM120 versus other medications that might be used?

Rob Barrow

Management

Yes, I'll turn that one over to Dan.

Dan Karlin

Management

Hey. Thanks for the question, Sumant. The extension phase of these trials will have the same restriction on CONMED’s [ph] as the double blind period because we're making additional treatment available to folks who need it. We think that given that it's an open-label treatment that it's not randomized. There will be no real drive for participants to go back onto prohibited conmeds. So same controls as we used for the first portion.

Sumant Kulkarni

Analyst

Got it. And then I guess if you want to map this onto the real world, what level of rescue therapy that does not involve redosing with MM120, if any, might be considered to be optimal in a clinical trial setting?

Dan Karlin

Management

So if I'm following the question you're asking, if someone was not adequately responding to 120, what else could they be given? Question.

Sumant Kulkarni

Analyst

Yep, yes, exactly that. And how many of those kinds of events would you expect? Clearly there's always going to be some responders, non-responders, all of that. But if someone does respond and then needs rescue, how do you characterize all that?

Dan Karlin

Management

Yes. So the upshot of that Part B extension phase is that if someone responds and then subsequently loses response, they can get up to four open-label treatments during that 40-week period. So the first step would be redosing and seeing if that captures and keeps people well, there are in any trial going to be people who don't respond. Right, no matter how good your drug is, it doesn't treat everybody and it doesn't treat everybody completely. So if participants are not responding and ultimately are uncomfortable and have illness that's severe enough that they need to try something else, then they're withdrawn from the study at some point. And we use statistical methods to fill them for the missing data after they leave the study. So that's a decision that is made by IPAs [ph] along with of course, the participants themselves. But certainly, the hope is that by having these open-label treatment options that folks are able to stay in for the whole study.

Sumant Kulkarni

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.