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1stdibs.Com, Inc. (DIBS)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 11, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. And welcome to 1stDibs’ Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today's conference may be recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Head of Investor Relations, Kevin LaBuz.

Kevin LaBuz

Management

Good evening and welcome to 1stDibs’ earnings call for the quarter ended June 30, 2021. I'm Kevin LaBuz, Head of Investor Relations. Joining me today are CEO, David Rosenblatt and CFO, Tu Nguyen. David will provide an update on our business, including our strategy and our growth opportunities. And Tu will review our second quarter financial results and third quarter outlook. This call will be available via webcast on our Investor Relations website at investors.1stdibs.com. Before we begin, please keep in mind that our remarks include forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to statements regarding guidance and future financial performance, market demand, growth prospects and business plans. Our actual results may differ materially. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, which are described in our SEC filings. Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on our beliefs and assumptions as of today, and we disclaim any obligation to update them. Additionally, during the call will present GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures is included in today's earnings press release, which you can find in our Investor Relations website, along with the replay of this call. I'll now turn the call over to our CEO, David Rosenblatt. David?

David Rosenblatt

Management

Thanks, Kevin. Good evening. And thank you for joining us for our first earnings call as a public company. Before we begin, I'd like to thank our wonderful sellers, buyers and employees for helping to make 1stDibs, a leading marketplace for connecting design lovers with highly coveted sellers and makers of vintage antique and contemporary furniture, home decor, art, jewelry, watches and fashion. I'd also like to thank our public and private investors for their support. Since many of you are new to our story, before discussing second quarter highlights, I'll touch briefly on our history and our strategy. 1stDibs was founded in 2000 to bring the magic of the Paris flea market online. Today, we're a classic two-sided marketplace with over 4200 highly vetted sellers globally. Our sellers are small businesses, makers and artisans. Our buyers are both consumers and professional buyers, interior designers and architects. Our mission is to enrich lives with extraordinary design. Over the past 21 years, we've built a reputation for helping collectors design lovers and interior designers alike discover beautifully designed one of a kind items. We operate in a $129 billion market, which is in the early stages of online adoption. We're excited about the opportunity ahead of us. In addition to the continued secular shift to digital, we have numerous growth levers we are investing in. Luxury design lovers are everywhere, but luxury design isn't. Before 1stDibs, if you didn't live in a design center like New York or Paris or Milan, much of our supply would be inaccessible. For buyers 1stDibs eliminates the constraints of geography, unlocking unique global supply and making luxury design more accessible. For example, last year, the average distance between buyers and sellers on confirmed orders was nearly 2500 miles. Similarly, we provide sellers with access to…

Tu Nguyen

Management

Thanks, David. Good evening, everyone. The IPO was a major milestone for the company. And I am proud of the 1stDibs team for staying focused and delivering strong results during the second quarter, which I will review along with providing a third quarter outlook. Second quarter GMV was $107 million, up 34% year-over-year, with traffic conversion and average order value all increasing year-on-year. On a 2-year stack, GMV growth was 48%. New buyer conversion continues to rise year-over-year and average order value benefited from the rebound in trade. We're hearing that the trade has never been busier. Designers are benefiting from home sales and renovations. Now as David mentioned, June trade GMV hit an all-time high. Consumer GMV growth slowed relative to the first quarter, particularly in June as buyer traffic growth slowed. While reopenings could impact near term consumer behavior, our fundamentals are strong and we are confident in our long-term opportunity. On a 2-year consumer GMV growth was 55% and trade GMV growth was 43%. Please note that when we referenced trade GMV or consumer GMV we are speaking of the subsets of on platform GMV attributable of each of these buyer groups. From a vertical perspective, fashion and new and custom furniture led growth with fashion GMV growth accelerating. Buyers who shop in 2 or more verticals continue to make up a growing percentage of our GMV mix. Our new verticals, which we defined as art, jewelry, and new and custom furniture represented 46% of our on platform GMV. These vertical allow us to reach a wider audience, with about 50% of new buyer orders in the second quarter coming from newer verticals. We see a long runway here and expect these verticals to account for the majority of our GMV looking ahead. Turning to marketplace metrics.…

Operator

Operator

Our first question comes from the line of Justin Post of Bank of America. Your question please.

Justin Post

Analyst

Great, thank you for taking my question. I guess I’ll ask about the NFT platform. David, how do you think about the market opportunity for that? And maybe equally important, expanding auctions to other categories? And then Tu, I know you're not guiding for the year or Q4, but we are seeing some sequential declines in GMV. How do you think about Q4 seasonality going back, you know when you looked at financials pre-2000? Thank you.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Hey Justin. So I'll take the first question on that NFTs and then I'll hand it over to Tu to talk about Q4 -- Q3 guidance and implications performance thereafter. So in general in terms of NFTs, well this is not new news, of course. But we do believe that the blockchain is a once in a generation technology. NFTs which of course, are enabled by it. And we think will be an enduring art medium, and will ultimately grow into a very large market. We also feel that creating a market for NFTs and participating in that is consistent with our overall mission of course, which is to enrich lives with the extraordinary and also our capabilities and therefore falls squarely within our right to win. So specifically, why do I think that? What I think is important in this market is curation, which is what we do kind of guaranteeing authenticity, which is what we do. And, we believe that we can support this market with editorial and all of the softer things that help us differentiate ourselves as a marketplace versus competitors and offer real benefits to both collectors and artists. It's still relatively early in the rollout of this product, and there's some important pieces of functionality that are still on the roadmap that will follow. But again, I'm really happy that we were able to move very quickly within a matter of months, and importantly, to be able to launch this product with a relatively modest incremental investment we spent less than $1 million on this first version, which again, I think is a testament to the flexibility and the breadth of our platform. In terms of expanding the auction format beyond NFTs, there's a good argument to do. So, we've got $11 billion worth of inventory, which means that just given a long sales cycle in this market, over $10 billion will not be sold this year. And, I think auctions would be a logical way to help monetize that. We don't have a specific announcement to make yet. But it's clearly something that we are thinking about. Tu, do you want to talk about the Q4?

Tu Nguyen

Management

Yeah. Hey, Justin, this is Tu. Thank you for the question. So before I talk about Q4, just some additional context as to historically what we have seen in Q4. So Q4 tends to be our biggest quarter in the year, mostly due to the holiday. We tend to see strength in the consumer segment, whereas the trade is relatively stable in Q4, relative to other quarters that we have in the year. Also some additional context in terms of what we've seen in Q2 as well? So in terms of the fundamentals, we have seen that your conversion rate continues to be very healthy, AOV grew year-over-year. What we saw in terms of the slowdown on the consumer side is a slight tick down on traffic. So across all cohorts that we've seen, like a proportional takedown. And so when we look further into that, we seem that there's been a shift between the traffic mix from desktop to mobile. And so that's not surprising given the reopening. And that's been very consistent with what we would have expected, what other e-commerce companies are seeing as well. And so we know obviously, this is a very uncertain environment to continue to predict consumer behavior. But, there is no reason for us to believe that this quarter -- in Q4 would be any different from the seasonal impact that we have seen in the past.

Justin Post

Analyst

Got it. Maybe one follow up. Just so we can think about reopening. Any way of quantifying your exposure to goods for the home versus other areas? How would you think about that?

Tu Nguyen

Management

Yeah. So I think what we've seen also is -- what we would have expected? So the trade continue to strengthen throughout the quarter. The trade as were impacted by COVID last year. We have heard that there were lot of the projects that were delayed because of COVID. And we're seeing some of that demand coming back. And the trade mostly buy in furniture, so that's vintage and antique and new and custom. On the consumer side, what we have seen is again, like even if we look at the volume of search for furniture through Google, we seen that in the summer as a part of like start of the reopening there's been a decline for search for furniture. We conversely have seen that fashion, which is an out of home category had saw the biggest growth rate in Q2. So again, I think the good news is that we are very diversified in terms of our buyer segment. We have moved the trade which is benefiting from the reopening. And then we have some consumer which again is I think that is great that people are out and about. But in the near term, there could be some volatility in terms of consumer behavior with regards to furniture purchases.

Justin Post

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Tu Nguyen

Management

Great.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ross Sandler of Barclays. Your line is open.

Ross Sandler

Analyst

Hey, guys, Thanks for the question. One of your competitors, Chairish bought Pomono recently. Any thoughts on just overall level of competition that you're seeing in the space and that acquisition, anything high level on that? Are things changing or pretty static on the competitive front? Thanks a lot.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Hey, Ross. Yeah. So Chairish which is U.S. focused, is merging with Pomono, which is a European-focused and European-based marketplace. Both of those companies are focused primarily on vintage and antique furniture. So listen, I mean, I actually think that it's a positive thing for a couple of reasons. One, in general, I think I'm a believer in competition that both validates the market and also helps grow it. Hopefully, there'll be more marketing dollars spent at raising awareness some on consumers and so on. But at the same time, I don't think it really changes anything. Both of those companies existed before. We were already competing with them. And I don't feel that the combination of the 2 of them materially changes the competitive landscape. And I have a high degree of confidence in our road map. And I believe that with or without consolidation, it's going to put us in a much stronger place as we begin to roll out some of the things that we're working on.

Ross Sandler

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And you just mentioned a little bit on the macro here in the third quarter, but the high end of the GMV guidance was a little bit below our number and it's down sequentially from 2Q to 3Q. So anything else -- it sounds like the furniture category is a little light right now, but anything else you'd call out as far as what you're seeing in the macro here in the third quarter? Thanks.

Tu Nguyen

Management

Yeah. So in terms of the guidance that we gave for Q3, again, I would just reiterate the assumptions that we have going into that guidance, is that on the consumer side we are expecting that the level of GMV that we're seeing on the consumer side is at the level we exited June. And then on the trade side, we expect that, that level continues to be healthy. Although we are comping bigger number for Q3 for the trade. And so potentially the growth rate there, we are assuming that that will moderate as well. And then lastly, no material contribution from NFT, which is something that we launched today.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ralph Schackart of William Blair. Your line is open.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst

Good evening. Thanks for taking the question. First one, David, you talked about driving or converting more international buyers. I think you said about 19% of the base that was from international. Just curious, as you've tested some of the paid search or some of the other sort of factors that you laid out, what's the response been to some of those new strategies?

David Rosenblatt

Management

On international?

Ralph Schackart

Analyst

Yeah, international buyers.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Yeah. So just to clarify, we have not tested paid search in non-English language. Because, in order to do that, we need a non-English language buyer experience, which we don't have yet. So again, just to reiterate the opportunity, as you said, the 19% number plus one third of our traffic is from outside the U.S. and 40% of our supplies from the outside of the U.S. In spite of that, because we don't have a local language experience, conversion rates of non-U.S. buyers are roughly half that of U.S. buyers. So when you put all that together, we're pretty optimistic in the opportunity, and we have a team that's focused on building that out. Once we have that, then we can start to invest in local language paid advertising, along with editorial and all the other things that we use to drive demand.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst

Okay. Sorry, I thought you had said that you were testing it. Just on any impact you could call out of the Delta variant that we're seeing in the market? I'm sure it's kind of tough. But just sort of any thoughts on that? And then if I could just bolt 1 more on maybe for Tu. I think you said the consumer trends that you saw in June, I guess, were sort of baked into the assumptions for Q3. But just any more updated thoughts on how July trended, I guess, perhaps into August? Thank you.

Tu Nguyen

Management

Sure. And I can take both of that questions in one. I would say that while we're not commenting on quarter-to-date and in particular July. What we are assuming is for Q3 the level of GMV that we're going to see is similar on the consumer side exiting June. So in terms of what we saw in Q2, we thought like there was a slowdown in consumer GMV starting in June. And when we looked at what was really driving that, that was all attributable to a slowdown in traffic. Conversion rate has been very healthy, and AOV continues to grow on a year-over-year basis. So again, I think that because of the reopening, there has been that shift from desktop to mobile, and potentially people are not spending as much time in the home online. When we do have traffic coming into the site given the conversion rate, like we are seeing that those people are buying at the same rate. And they are buying at the same AOV that we have seen historically. So again, the quality of the buyers continue to be very strong. But again, in terms of the near-term impact of Delta, again it's difficult to predict what's likely to happen. And that's why in terms of our assumption going for Q3, what we are assuming is that there is a similar environment as what we have observed in Q2. Any changes because of that obviously would impact potentially our consumer behavior and the way that they interact with us as well. What is encouraging again is that the fundamentals of the company continues to be healthy, all out -- all across all of our cohort. And we continue to see that are able to add new buyers at a very healthy rate.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. Thanks, David. Thanks, Tu.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Mahaney of ISI. Your line is open.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst

Okay. 2 questions, please. On the local language, international, local language rollout. Can you lay down some expectations for how long that will take and which languages will be first?

David Rosenblatt

Management

Hey, Mark. We're not in a position to offer a specific direction on that. In terms of how we would prioritize markets, I think we would start with the largest markets and the ones where we have the highest existing demand with the English language experience and then as quickly as possible thereafter expand to every market where we have buyers.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst

Okay. And then if you could talk a little bit, David, about performance marketing channels and what lessons you've learned so far? And it sounds like this is just very early days for the company as a whole in terms of leaning in the performance marketing. Just talk about how big that has been so far? Is it too early to draw any lessons? Do you find that it's -- the performance marketing channels are highly competitive in terms of the - what bids you need -- bid prices? Just any interesting color around where you are in terms of the learnings, how competitive those channels are?

David Rosenblatt

Management

In general, I think a bit of context is helpful here. Keep in mind, we only switched our business model to e-commerce officially 5 years ago. And it was only after that, that we introduced our kind of V1 paid marketing programs. We started with Google Search Adwords and since then have expanded into other channels. It is still early days. So we only launched programmatic display in December on a test basis. We're still testing, although that's been highly productive, and we've expanded that since then. We only in July, began testing video via connected TV and 1 or 2 other platforms. So again, I think it is early days. We've been very disciplined on paid and have stuck to the kind of cost per new return threshold that we feel is -- that we talked about on the roadshow and is accretive. And again, we feel like there are additional channels ahead of us, both existing ones like programmatic and video and brand new ones. The other point I would make is that the Black Card, the Centurion Black Card promotion was very effective for us. The way we think about that though, is we make that compete with other acquisition channels. And so again, we're -- we feel like that is -- we sort of consider that yet another paid channel alongside search, display via programmatic video and then potentially other channels that we're not in today.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Aaron Kessler of Raymond James. Your question, please.

Aaron Kessler

Analyst

Hey, thanks guys. A couple of questions. Maybe just on the consumer side, maybe for Q2. Specifically, were there any categories you would highlight for strength or weakness? Or was it really more across the board slowdown in terms of traffic? And just with the NFT, kind of what's your kind of strategy for marketing that given that's a pretty new business? And in terms of the auction format, any thoughts on expanding the auction format to other of the core business as well? Thank you.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Let me start with the latter 2 questions, and I'll kick it over to Tu. So first of all, in terms of NFT marketing strategy, I think what's interesting about NFTs from a marketing point of view is most of the activity is on platforms like Twitter and Discord. And it's important to us that we enter this market as a kind of authentic member of the community. So fortunately, we were able to partner with an artist who is very well-known called Metageist. Metageist is curating the initial set of artists that we're offering, and so we're very much working with him and other influencers in the community and establishing our presence on both Twitter and Discord. So that's our approach to NFTs. In terms of auctions. Again, I talked about this a little bit earlier, but I do feel like the opportunity for the auction format is significant. Again, we've got $11 billion worth of product on the marketplace. 95% of that will not sell through this year, and auctions would present, I think, a kind of efficient way to monetize that as well as creating urgency and other things that we lack today on the platform. But we're not in a position to announce any details in terms of timing or specific plans or anything like that.

Tu Nguyen

Management

Yeah. And in terms of the trend by vertical that we saw in Q2, so I think you mentioned that fashion, which is out of the home category has accelerated throughout the quarter. We saw -- obviously, we have the trade that is performing very well for us in Q2 as well and the trade mainly by furniture. And we've seen that trend mostly I guess in both custom and vintage and antique. And I just want to mention also that we have made a push into continuing to cross sell existing verticals into our existing buyers as well. And so notably, we have seen that the share of GMV coming from buyers who buy cross vertical has increased. And 1 data point that I gave during the prepared remarks is that 50% of our new buyers in Q2 were brought on in newer verticals. So we are seeing a lot of different pools in the marketplace. But again, it's very consistent with what we have expected, which is the out of the home category are performing well.

Aaron Kessler

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Kevin LaBuz

Management

And could you take one more question.

Operator

Operator

Yes, sir. Our next question comes from Ron Josey of JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Ron Josey

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking the question here. And maybe, David, I don't want to go back and harp on performance or what have you. But I do want to talk about new buyer acquisition. And I think, too you mentioned that as a core growth priority in the back half of the year. And so I know you're testing a bunch of different paths to acquire. We did see pretty good new buyer acquisition in terms of growth this quarter. So just talk about the strategy that makes it a top priority in the back half. I know you talked about video. But anything else specifically that we can look for? You talked about the AmEx partnership. But anything that makes us the growth priority so we can look for sort of traffic gains? Thank you.

David Rosenblatt

Management

Yeah. So I think, again, let's start with some data points that illustrate the opportunity. We have 3.5 million registered buyers -- or sorry, registered users of the site. We had 69,000 buyers in the trailing 12 months. So that presents a very good opportunity for us. And it is something that is a core focus. I think there are sort of a couple of different ways when you think about it. First of all, we have an always on effort to improve conversion and improve the user experience. So as an example, in Q2 we introduced our first iPad app. We also introduced a filter for ring size. Again, as has been described by others, improving conversion is a ground gain. And so that's something that again for us is an always on effort. Beyond that though, I think there are lots of opportunities on both the supply and the demand side. We've talked about a couple of them on the demand side. Certainly, international is a big one. Again, conversion rates for non-U.S. visitors are roughly half that of U.S. new order formats, which we've talked about. Similarly, I think on the supply side, we have an opportunity to grow our rate of supply acquisition faster than we have historically. So that's something that is in process that we're taking a look at. And then beyond that, again we have a funnel that is -- has more steps in it than the conventional e-commerce experience. And we think that there's an opportunity to improve conversion at each step of that funnel. So that would include things like more videos on product pages. Product pages with video have a much higher rate than those without. So that's a focus giving potentially more context to pricing, which is another thing that we're working on, improving personalization as well as top of funnel paid, which I talked about as well as SEO. So again, I think sort of across the board, both operationally and also strategically. And at each stage of the funnel, we do have real levers that we can pull and that we're working on pulling to improve activation and conversion.

Ron Josey

Analyst

Great. Thank you, David.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to CEO, David Rosenblatt for closing remarks. Sir?

David Rosenblatt

Management

Great. So I'd just like to thank everyone who joined the call. I'm proud of what we accomplished in our first quarter as a public company. And I'm also proud of the pipeline that we've established, which will produce good things in the future. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.