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Daqo New Energy Corp. (DQ)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 13, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Daqo New Energy Third Quarter 2018 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kevin He, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kevin He

Analyst

Hello, everyone, I’m Kevin He, the Investor Relations of Daqo New Energy. Thank you for joining our conference call today. Daqo New Energy just issued its financial results for the third quarter of 2018 and also to facilitate today’s conference call, we have prepared a PPT presentation for your reference. Those can be found on our website at www.dqsolar.com. Today, attending the conference call, we have Mr. Longgen Zhang, our Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Ming Yang, our Chief Financial Officer. The call today will feature an update from Mr. Zhang on market and operations, and then Mr. Yang will discuss the company’s financial performance for the third quarter of 2018. After that, we will open the floor to Q&A from the audience. Before we begin the formal remarks, I would like to remind you that certain statements on today’s call including expected future operational and financial performance and industry growth are forward-looking statements that are made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in the reports or documents we have filed with or furnished to the Securities and Exchange Commission. These statements only reflect our current and the preliminary view as of today and may be subject to change. Our ability to achieve these projections is subject to risks and uncertainties. All information provided in today’s call is as of today and we undertake no duty to update such information, except as required under applicable law. Also during the call, we will occasionally reference monetary amounts in US dollar terms. Please keep in mind that our functional currency is the Chinese RMB. We alter these translations into US dollars solely for the convenience of the audience. Without further ado, I now turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Zhang please.

Longgen Zhang

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

Hello, everyone and thank you for joining us today for our earnings call. We are pleased to report another solid quarter. Due to the impact of China's new solar PV policy issued on May 31st, the solar end market demand in China weakened considerably. In spite of weak market demand, we saw the 6199 metric ton of polysilicon during the third quarter, with the polysilicon inventory returning to lean levels, which demonstrates our product’s superior quality and our strong relationships with downstream customers. We successfully completed our annual maintenance in September and resumed production earlier than originally scheduled to minimize this impact on production volume and our cost structure. In addition, we also began pilot production for our Phase 3b expansion project in October, ahead of schedule. We are in the process of optimizing throughput efficiency and quality and expect to ramp up Phase 3b to full capacity early in the first quarter of 2019. With lower electricity rates, higher manufacturing efficiency, greater economies of scale and enhanced equipment and processes, we expect the overall total cost of polysilicon production from our Xinjiang facilities to decrease to approximately $7.50 per kilogram when fully ramped up. Moreover, Phase 3b will not only increase our capacity and reduce costs, but also allow us to improve production quality with approximately 80% of our production capacity devoted to mono-crystalline grade polysilicon, of which half will be applicable for use in N-type mono-crystalline solar cells. With the successful pilot production of our Phase 3B expansion, preliminary manufacturing data from our Xinjiang polysilicon operation has been encouraging. We are on track to achieve record low levels in energy usage and in silicon utilization per unit of polysilicon production, which will help us to achieve our new lower cost targets. Even with the impact of the new…

Ming Yang

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Thank you, Longgen and good day, everyone. Thank you for joining our call today. First of all, I would like to remind the audience that since the company has discontinued its Chongqing business subsidiary in September 2018, the operational results of the Chongqing business have been excluded from the company’s financial results from continuing operations and have been separately presented under discontinued operations. With respect to adjustments to the historical statements have also been made to provide a consistent basis of comparison for the financial results. Revenues from continuing operations were 67.4 million compared to 63 million in the second quarter of 2018, and 72.9 million in the third quarter of 2017. The sequential increase in revenue was primarily due to higher polysilicon sales volume, offset by lower average selling prices. Gross profit was approximately 12.8 million compared to 25.2 million in the second quarter of 2018 and 26.8 million in the third quarter of 2017. Gross margin was 19.1% compared to 40.1% in the second quarter of 2018 and 36.7% in the third quarter of 2017. The sequential decrease was primarily due to lower ASPs, partially offset by low average polysilicon production costs. Selling, general and administrative expenses were 7.6 million compared to 7.5 million in the second quarter of 2018 and 4 million in the third quarter of 2017. The year-over-year increase in SG&A expenses was primarily due to an increase of non-cash share based compensation costs related to the company's 2018 share incentive plan. R&D expenses were approximately 1.4 million compared to 0.2 million in the second quarter of 2018 and 0.1 million in the third quarter of 2017. R&D expenses can vary from period to period and reflect R&D activities that took place during each period. Other operating income was 0.1 million compared to 0.5 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Philip Shen of Roth Capital Partners.

Philip Shen

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

The first question is on the outlook for China. And the demand, I think, Longgen, you mentioned that you think we're at a bottom now. And with the policy change that could be happening with the November 2nd announcement, when do you expect the government to provide more concrete details around what the actual new policy might be? Do you think we could get it by the end of this year or we've heard, could be before Chinese New Year as well?

Longgen Zhang

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

Good morning. I think, Philip, to answer your question, I think, as I just mentioned that, in Q1 to Q3 of this year, China has already installed 35 gigawatts. I believe full year of this year is expected to be around the 40 gigawatts. And for next year, my expectation is around 40 to 50 gigawatts and it will be significantly increased from, I think the previous forecast, only 30 to 35 gigawatts. I think the number could be even higher, if the actual policy is more favorable. And as you mentioned that on November 2, NEA, I think, have the forum and basically I think the government is very supportive for the solar wholesale industry and also the feed-in tariff will continue to be – will not be stopped until 2022. Basically, I think for the future, I think is subsidized. The amount of the subsidized every year may be slowed down, cut down. But for total, subsidized is – per unit subsidized will continue to go down. So we’ll cover more projects and like a top around there, like other TG projects. So that's why we believe I think the 13 five-plan, as everybody understand it, I think at least right now, the government's maybe increased to 210. [Technical Difficulty] So I believe the policy will come out maybe around the Chinese New Year before or after.

Philip Shen

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

As it relates to the pricing outlook, pricing, it feels like in my, the declines might be slowing down. How do you see pricing poly ASPs specifically evolving in this quarter as well as into Q1 and Q2 of next year?

Longgen Zhang

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

I think this quarter, our ASP, as you can see that, is around – over Q3, ASP is $10.79 without VAT. So basically, I think this is at or near bottom. And with the new capacity coming online from China, the lowest cost producer and mostly I think every people right now claims, for example, like TCL, I'm not going to mention others’ supply, they also claim starting the tight production in the new expansion. So I believe maybe in the Q1 next year or Q2 next year, the new capacity come in. So we expect to see the more and more high cost producers will have to shut down their capacity and exit the market. Due to the market we ship, processing all consolidation, I think it's possible to see temporary the polysilicon price go down to $10 per kg. But when the market I think is back to normal, we expect, I think, the pricing will remain around 11 to 12 during, I think, this quarter or even next quarter. I think this quarter may be between 10 to 11, I think Q1 may be around 11 to 12. So Daqo, you know that, we were fully I think ramp up. I think at December of this – this year of December, we will reach, I think, almost the 100% ramp up on 3B. So for the Q1, therefore, I think with all capacity, you can calculate maybe around annually around 36000 tons. So we will continue to reduce our cost to $7.50 from right now currently $9 level. So that will further to improve our gross margin.

Philip Shen

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

You mentioned that capacity from the tier 2 more expensive producers will likely go offline. Can you talk about how -- can you quantify how much capacity you think could be permanently shut down from this downturn? Are we talking about 20,000 metric tons, 50,000 metric tons, you don't have to name the names necessarily, but it would be great to understand how much you see going away permanently?

Longgen Zhang

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

I think based on the, you know, I think the statistic, I think China right now, let's say by the middle of this year, the capacity is around like 200,000 tons there, of which what I'm thinking around like 140,000 tons I think is high cost and it may be lower quality. So that capacity finally will be wiped out of costs, maybe 13%, some of the producer is state owned company. So those company is difficult, it's difficult to shut down. The reason is because they have to run out of their cash. That's a question, maybe, they can continue to get the banking loans. So what I believe, I think SOE company maybe, the capacity is around like 50,000 to 60,000 tons. Then the private sector or we call, the public – state owned company maybe 100,000 tons. That definitely I think is going to shut down.

Philip Shen

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

And then as it relates to your capacity expansion, can you remind us kind of where things stand with the Phase 4A financing, update us on how much you might need and how you expect to fund the Phase 4A and is it definite that you will do Phase 4A or is there a chance that you might wait for the recovery to be healthier and stronger?

Longgen Zhang

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners

The phase 4A currently is under construction and the construction is almost I think above the level and because the winter is coming, so basically we will finish the underground construction and the for the equipment procurement, we almost finished 70% of the contracts. We control the following investments is around RMB2.9 billion. I think it's coming from original is 3.2 billion. So also, we've got to be careful of the industry slowdown, we've got a pretty good, I think, a negotiation with the supply and the payment term. Basically, I think I can tell you that 2.9 million, the payments. I think around 5.9 million, around like RMB590 million we will pay this year. And around 1.4 billion, we will pay next year. The rest of them will go to 2020 and ’21. So basically we’re thinking now, use our own cash, the deposits and operating cash flow, I believe and we also have the banking facilities available. Right now, we have 500 million banking loan facility from Bank of China, 5 milling banking loans from China Merchant Bank. So basically on what scenario, I think we still can support to continue to expansion. Of course, we also were evaluating the whole market of what's going on. But basically right now, yes, we are on the way to reach the target. I think planning to starting part of the production in October 15 next year.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gary Zhou of Credit Suisse.

Gary Zhou

Analyst · Credit Suisse

I have three quick questions. So firstly, the management has talked about the near term pricing outlook for the polysilicon. So given that probably in the next few months, we have a lot of new low cost Chinese capacity to come online. So given this kind of a change in the global poly cost structure, so has management have more longer-term price outlook for the polysilicon, probably for next year and also for 2020? And secondly, does management has an estimate for the mono wafers market share in 2019? And how does the management expect to be expanding of mono wafer market share to support our ASPs. And last question, a quick one, does management has any estimate on the global solid demand for this year and also next year?

Ming Yang

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Good evening, Gary. Gary is coming from CS from Hong Kong. The first question is about the ASP for the near term and the future. Basically, I think without the Chinese new policy come out, what I think and believe, okay, this -- I think – today, the lower ASP and also not only consolidation in the China, I think the solar industry, but also I think we cut the imports from abroad and for those foreign producer, the cost is higher than $13, $12. Definitely I think have to shut down. So basically what I'm thinking is even without the Chinese new policy, in Q4 right now, I think the ASP, of course Daqo is a little different, I would answer your second question, because mono and multi, the price is different. But I say average speaking, we are right now after 3B, our mono is 80%. So basically what I think is for Q4 to Q1 next year, the price should be around $11 to $12. Unless the new policy maybe stimulates the production in China, then the price definitely will be back to 13. For the whole year of next year, I think the price should be second half of next year, should be around $12 to $13. So beyond that 2019, I think for the grid parity, for the cost right now, the industry cost, I believe should be around $12 to $14, the range. That's to answer your first question. Secondly is for the mono and multi, right now for the mono price, is around RMB83 to RMB84 per kg, with the VAT. And for the multi is around 76. So the difference between multi and mono is not too much right now. But we still forecast on the quality. So after finishing 3B, our…

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Wai Fung of Citadel.

Wai Fung

Analyst · Citadel

Just wondering can you comment on the inventory level in the supply chain and also when do you think the Chinese and you’re going to announce the new target for 2019 and 2020?

Ming Yang

Analyst · Citadel

Okay. Basically, first of all, only, I think for the inventory, for whole right now, the Chinese, I think supply right now, the inventory almost I think closing to zero. If you look our end of the quarter, essentially right now and all of the right now, the order, we still cannot see the order right now based on the right now the production. And what I think right now almost either the, I think the wafer producer right now, just in time or zero inventory, the reason is because there is still expectation, the silicon price will go down. So that's why the inventory is lower. Then I think even sale module, because continued price go down, so the whole industry in the middle stream, the inventory, I don't think too much there unless the Chinese new policy come out, then they're going to beat up inventory. So to answer your second question, within the Chinese new products that come out, as I just mentioned there, because this time the NEA is very prudent and they have to do following to coordinate which other governments I think organizations together to issue new policy. So that involves a lot of stuff, like I said, 13 5-year plan and you see the tax, the tax of cutting, all these I think together. So what I think new policy will come out, I'm not focused enough end of this year, maybe around the Chinese New Year, either, before or after.

Wai Fung

Analyst · Citadel

And another question, import, can you tell me the monthly run rate on import poly and what do you expect the run rate if poly prices troughed next year, monthly run rate?

Ming Yang

Analyst · Citadel

I think right now, the import already slowed down. I think if you look the figure, I think the data, I didn't look at carefully the figure, but basically I was told right now the three major foreign producers right now, only one right now still have capacity running on the late here and the rest of them, I think, they are almost I think shut down by the end of this month. So I do not think further, right now, the current market situation, selling price around the $10 and $11, between $10 and $11 per kilograms. I think, the foreign producer will continue to export the silicon to China because there really is their cash cost. So basically I think in this scenario right now, that's why I don't think the import -- the silicon will come back. I don't think so, because that's why unless the price go back beyond the $13, it is possible on the condition I think the demand is so hot and quickly come back and for the middle stream to beat up inventory, then that will happen on the second half of next year. The silicon price may be back beyond the $13.

Wai Fung

Analyst · Citadel

Also, can you talk about, maybe Ming, can you talk about operating expense next year quarter run rate, excluding stock compensation.

Ming Yang

Analyst · Citadel

I think it should be in the maybe 5, $4.5 million to $5.5 million level excluding stock-based comp.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Kevin He for any closing remarks.

Kevin He

Analyst

Think you everyone again for participating in the conference call today. Should you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us. Thank you and bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.