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The Descartes Systems Group Inc. (DSGX)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Dec 4, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the quarterly results call. My name is Lorraine and I will be your operator for today’s call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Scott Pagan. Mr. Pagan, you may begin.

J. Scott Pagan

Analyst

Thank you and good morning everyone. Joining me on the call today is Ed Ryan, CEO; Allan Brett, CFO; and Mike Verhoeve, EVP Legal and General Counsel. I trust that everyone has received a copy of our financial results press release that was issued earlier today. Portions of today’s call other than historical performance include statements of forward-looking information, within the meaning of applicable securities laws. These statements are made under the Safe Harbor provisions of those laws. These forward-looking statements include statements related to Descartes’ operating performance, financial results and condition, cash flow and use of cash, business outlook, baseline revenues, baseline operating expenses, and baseline calibration, anticipated and potential revenue losses and gains, anticipated recognition and expensing of specific revenues and expenses, potential acquisitions and acquisition strategy, cost reduction and integration initiatives, and other matters that may constitute forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors that may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of Descartes to differ materially from the anticipated results, performance or achievements implied by such forward-looking statements. These factors are outlined in the press release and in the section entitled "certain factors that may affect future results" and documents filed and furnished with the SEC, the OSC, and other securities commissions across Canada including our management's discussion and analysis filed today. We provide forward-looking statements solely for the purpose of providing information about management’s current expectations and plans relating to the future. You are cautioned that such information may not be appropriate for other purposes. We do not undertake or accept any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements to reflect any change in our expectations, or any change in events, conditions, assumptions or circumstances on which any such statements is based, except as is required by law. And with that let me turn the call over to Ed.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thanks Scott and thanks to all of you for joining the call today. We continue to execute to our long-term operating plans and I am proud to be here presenting another outstanding set of financial results for Q3. Business is as usual here at Descartes and another record quarter fuelled by strong operating performance. Our network continues to grow as we grow our existing lines of business and make more solutions like the trade data content offering added through Customs Info available to our community. Since the end of the quarter we have made an investment in the form of Airclic which is key addition to our routing, mobile, and telematics platform. I will come back to that later in the call. So, welcome to the call whether you are a new shareholder for the past six months or you have been with us for a while, we appreciate you joining today. On the call I will start by talking about the highlights from the business this past quarter. I will then hand it over to Allan who will talk through our financial results in more detail. And I will finish off the call by talking about our business calibration and some of the initiatives we see in front of us for Q4 and beyond. So, let's start by going over the financial highlights for the past quarter. We pride ourselves on operating a strong and consistent business and this quarter was no exception with another set of record results. Our revenues continued to grow even in the face of strong foreign exchange headwinds hitting 43.1 million for the quarter, up 11% from Q3 of last year. Using a consistent FX rate with Q2 2015, our revenues would have been about $1 million higher at $44.1 million. Year-to-date revenues were…

Allan Brett

Analyst

Thanks Ed. Let me quickly walk you through a few of the financial results for the third quarter. As previously mentioned we had record quarterly revenues of 43.1 million this quarter, up 11% from the third quarter last year. As Ed also mentioned this revenue growth was achieved despite some negative foreign exchange movements against us as a result of a stronger U.S. dollar during the quarter. Primarily as a result of a decrease in both the Euro and the Canadian dollar to the U.S. dollar, our revenues declined by almost 1 million this quarter from the third quarter of last year and these same FX movements also caused revenues to be just over 1 million weaker sequentially when compared to the second quarter of this fiscal year. Looking at the gross margin they continued to be strong at 68% of revenue which is consistent with the same quarter last year. With our continued revenue growth and strong cost control, we also continue to see solid adjusted EBITDA growth of 16% to adjusted EBITDA of 13.2 million compared to 11.4 million in the same period last year. And while FX had a significant negative impact to our revenues during the quarter, the negative impact of foreign exchange to our adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter was relatively modest causing less than $200,000 drop in adjusted EBITDA this quarter when compared to the third quarter last year as well as compared sequentially to the second quarter this year. As we’ve mentioned in the past, the Canadian dollar declining to the U.S. dollar actually has a positive impact to our adjusted EBITDA and this has partially offset the negative impact of a decline in the Euro to U.S. dollar during the third quarter. As a result of continued positive adjusted EBITDA and…

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey thanks Allan. Alright so let’s talk calibration for Q4. Similar to previous quarters we don’t provide guidance but we use baseline calibration of the key metrics relating to the ongoing health and strength of our business. While we typically provide calibration as of the first day of the quarter...

Operator

Operator

I am sorry for the interruption, this is the conference operator. The host has requested the participants full name and company. The recording was unclear and the spelling of your names. The line is open please don’t mute it. At this time I cannot hear you, I’ll place you back in queue.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

At November 20th of Q4. Our baseline revenues have been impacted by the addition of Airclic which has added 2.2 million of revenue in our calibration for its partial contribution to Q4. We are calibrating the revenues for the Airclic business, we focused on the recurring technology revenues rather than any license or other revenues that were no longer considered recurring. While we expect Airclic to profitably contribute in Q4, we expect it will take some time to reach the general Descartes levels. We should note that our baseline revenue calibration include the decrease of approximately 700,000 in baseline revenues from FX when compared to the third quarter this year. While the FX impact on calibrated adjusted EBITDA is nominal. Our calibration for Q4 assumes exchange rates of $0.88 Canadian, 125 Euro to U.S. dollar, and 159 GBP to U.S. dollar. We are very well capitalized. We have a healthy calibrated business and as Allan mentioned we also have a healthy balance sheet to access and access to capital. We have 153 -- 150.3 million cash at the end of the quarter and we also have a $77 million undrawn acquisition line of credit available with the company. We have a strong acquisition pipeline. With this capital capacity there is still a number of acquisition opportunities to expand the geographic reach, functional capabilities, trade data and content, or community of participants on our network. However, we are not in a rush to deploy capital on deals that don’t meet our stringent acquisition criteria. We are looking for businesses that not only process, leverage, or supply logistics data or content but also businesses that fit culturally with our team at Descartes and have the right financial profile. And as we consolidate we continue to meet focus on integration such that the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from Phil Huang from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Phillip Huang

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, good morning. I wanted to ask you guys a bit about Airclic, just wanted to see if you could provide a little bit more color around what you guys think needs to be done in order to improve this company's profitability profile and how long it might take?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yeah sure, Airclic is not uncommon from the bunch of other companies that we have acquired over the years. We looked at it, we went -- it operates today a little differently than we would like to see it operate in the long run. And that it was not making much money and we think with the addition of Airclic to what Descartes has, if you think of our customers buying routing technology, routing and scheduling technology and more and more often those sales are also combining a mobile component. We are looking to go our customers want to buy those two things together so that they can do plan versus actual and figure out where their drivers are in relation to where they are supposed to be and manage the whole process that the drivers have to go through at the stop. So we bought the company, we quickly went through a restructuring process to try and get their cost in line with where we thought they should be. And are now going through a process to get the sales forces working together and going out and finding customers so that we can increase the revenue in that business and help them make more money.

Phillip Huang

Analyst

Great and that’s helpful. Does any part of this restructuring process involve potentially deemphasizing previous revenues that they’ve been generating, like do you think that the 2.2 million that’s been added to calibration for fiscal Q4 do you see that as a number that will sort of stay the same or do you think it will grow from here or do you think that it will probably decline before it goes back up?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

We are putting the 2.2 million in because that’s what we think it should be running at. We definitely at the same time see that there were relationships out there with accounts that weren’t profitable in the long run we would look to either make it more profitable or move out of our business. And that’s probably 50% of the acquisitions we do have some component of that and Airclic was no different. So I think it will be a little of that but we plan for that in the calibration number that we are giving you.

Phillip Huang

Analyst

Got it and then a quick one in terms of the pipeline that you see. In this current valuation environment do you think it’s tougher to make acquisitions meet your returns criteria or do you see it might take a little longer to make such acquisitions, maybe you can provide us with what your view is based on the current valuation involvement even in some of the different geographical regions that you are currently looking at?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

It probably hasn’t changed much for us in the last year to two years. We are in the higher end, deals let’s say north of 50 million bucks where private equity firms are interested, banks become involved. We see it as people are paying a lot of money and its tougher for us to get stuff done as we kind of stick to our guns about what we think stuffs worth. And if someone is willing to pay too much for it in our opinion we let them go do that. So yes that probably impacts us a little bit at the same time there is a lots of opportunities for us. There is literally hundreds of companies that are on our radar screen to potentially purchase and we try to not to let that get in our way. You mentioned geographic issues as well, it is certainly different in different parts of the world. I am talking U.S. larger deals, at least larger for our standard. It’s definitely a factor there, the smaller deals we are buying from [indiscernible] companies not as much of an issue.

Phillip Huang

Analyst

Great thanks very much Ed.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey, thank you Phil.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Brian Asgus [ph] from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thank you and good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dig in a little bit into performance in the quarter by segment and if you look at telematics, routing, the other segments where did most of the contribution in the quarter come from and how do we think about that. I mean I think you had about I mean just little under of a 100 basis points of gross margin contribution or incremental gross margin from the growth, how does each of those contribute to the margin expansion in that story?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Well our networks continue to be more and more profitable every quarter. So when you think about you know if we are focused on EBITDA growth, our EBITDA continues to grow as our network gets stronger. To put it in very simple terms, the next transaction that comes in doesn’t cost nearly as much as the first transaction. And that makes our network more and more profitable. You saw -- we always say we are trying to operate in the 25% to 30% EBITDA to revenue and you saw us creep over that for the first time this quarter. Which is a great sign, at the same time we want to try and invest that money back in the business overtime. I think you largely see that strength coming from our networks operating the way they should which is they continue to get more and more profitable everyday as we focus on operating our businesses efficiently as we can. That’s not to say that there wasn’t strong growth in other areas but they probably are routing and scheduling business as it grows because of the nature of that business with a license or software or service model. The margin tends to stay the same regardless of how much we get.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And on the license growth in the quarter, that was a little surprising. It looks like that there may be some seasonality to it, particularly at the omni channel as you noted in the MD&A or the release, was this an anomalous quarter in that regard or is there something there that is maybe longer-term, maybe if you can help us understand how those customers are thinking about pulling the trigger on licenses as opposed to --?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

We would certainly rather they all bought in a recurring model. We try and talk them into that. Sometimes we are more successful than others. The license says you are kind of pointing out can be lumpy. They tend to larger deals so when they come in, they come in and we try to talk to all the customers for their benefit and for ours into a long-term recurring model. But some of them want to capitalize their software expenditures and they have their own reasons for doing that and I don’t fault them for that. I think -- I understand their rationale for doing that and when they come in and say no I want to capitalize on this that means they want to buy license and we sell to them that way. I don’t know that we are trying to do that. So if you are asking if this is going to continue I don’t know but I hope not. I hope those deals continue to increasingly become recurring deals but time will tell.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. Just trying to see if that -- if the omni channel had anything to do with it but that’s very helpful?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yes, sorry, I missed that part of the question. For the last year and half to two years omni channel has increasingly become a big part of it and I think you will see that even more with Airclic right. Because if you think about what a customer is doing is they have a customer in a store or on a website or on a phone and that customer is buying and they are trying to give that customer delivery time right on the phone or on the website or in the stores so that they can complete the order and take their credit card and bill them. And delivery is the last step of that process. Now we have always been in that business of scheduling that reservation and having our dynamic planning engine go and figure out the best times to deliver to that customer so that our customer, the big retailer doesn’t have to have as many trucks to make the deliveries because the deliveries are tightly organized. Airclic gives us one more step in that process which is to have the guy who is actually making the delivery have a device in his hand that tells them what to do, tells them how to get to the stuff. When he gets the stuff lets him go and do all the steps to complete the order. Getting the customer to sign off on it, taking a picture of any damage to the particular item, if there is a return being able to manage that return back, take a credit card from the customer right on the spot and swipe it, and we are real excited about our growth prospects in that area because of this acquisition.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That makes sense, thank you.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Michael Urlocker from GMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey Mike, how are you doing?

Michael Urlocker

Analyst

Thank you, I am great, good to talk to you again. Ed, I wonder if you could just describe I guess the state of the business in terms of customs, filings in North America, whether that continues to be an expanding business and whether there is any change in the competitive dynamics there and put that in context of how important is North America to your global revenue business today?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

You know the U.S. and Canada were the first two areas to go forward with security filings so it is a big area for us. I am glad you brought it up actually, I probably should have mentioned in the opening comments, the U.S. has just announced the pilot to start requiring security filings for exports as well which is a huge opportunity for us. It is going to probably take a while to come to fruition considering these things going to pilot they tend to take a year or two to actually become a law, mandatory and fines for not doing it and stuff like that. But it is real exciting for us to spend a lot of time talking about internally here in the last couple of months. But all of those customers that do import filings with us are great opportunities for export filings. It is the same types of guys that is going to be -- burden is going to be placed on the carriers and the freight forwarders and we have an awful lot of them doing import filings with us and we like our chances to get them for export filings. Canada has also announced the same initiative. It is a little bit behind the U.S. but I think also we will go just like we did with imports, eight or nine years ago. They will go one after the other and eventually but we believe is the right thing which is you need to know what’s coming in and out of your borders. So that you can make sure that that’s -- that is going to a guy that’s a proper person to receive that stuff and you’re securing your borders. And we are happy to see them take the step and we think it’s a huge opportunity for Descartes. One that will take couple of years probably to turn into a big revenue line item for us but when we are excited about this we kind of like our chances versus everybody else to get that business. Just because of the breadth of customers we already have doing imports with us.

Michael Urlocker

Analyst

And in terms of the state of the business today before the export filings take in, is it still a growth business and what’s the level of competition in North America?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

It’s with all of these customs filing initiatives it tends to be rapid growth and so the initiative goes into place and maybe for a couple months afterwards and then pretty flat after that. It will be -- it will fluctuate that with seasonality and number of days in a month and things like that, that are probably not worth spending too much time talking about. What we find is when someone makes a decision to have someone do their customs filing, they usually don’t touch it after that. We can’t steal them from our competitors, they can’t steal them from us because everyone looks and goes. As long as it is working right now and I feel like I am paying a decent price for it I probably don’t want to mess with it because if I screw it up it's going to be even for 30 minutes it will be a big problem in my business.

Michael Urlocker

Analyst

Thank you and then I wonder if you care to indulge in a little bit of a look back. It’s been a year that you and Scott have been in the new positions. I think the company has done very well in the year, would you make any observations on how the business or the industry has evolved in this past year or whether there is anything that happened that was unexpected either on a plus or minus?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

You know we try to be pretty consistent and Scott and I both have been here at the company for a long time. And even if not as visible to you guys certainly directly involved in a lot of things that are going on. Our company continues to get bigger so we have to do more and more everyday to kind of keep up the growth rates and things like that. And I am real pleased with how our company has responded to that. We certainly are able to digest more acquisitions in the past year. We’ve started to demonstrate, we can do more I think. Late last year we exited two on the same day which is, I don’t think we could have pulled off two or three years prior to that. We also made a bunch of changes inside the company with Allan Brett coming on and Mike Verhoeve coming on as our CFO and our General Counsel respectively and that’s been a real positive change. And I think not only to our employees who probably see it directly but to our customers who get a more responsive Descartes, we’re upping our game. So, thanks for asking and yes, things are going pretty well. We are excited about it.

Michael Urlocker

Analyst

Excellent, thank you.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thanks Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Richard Davis from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Richard Davis

Analyst

Hey, thanks for letting me in the queue. So, all of the questions we get as outsiders trying to model your company right because we don’t have -- you guys haven’t given us your password to your general ledger yet so, makes it harder. But tending that one of the ways that I was trying to describe it to investors and I just want to make sure logically this makes sense. So when you make an acquisition one of the things we’ve been saying is like what, when you buy a company after you fix it up and that could be x number of quarters its totally logical to assume that, that acquired company should grow at a multiple faster than what your existing business is growing simply because you cross sell the business to rest of your network and as that how big so the question is A) is that correct, B) is how much effort do you put into that, and C) how effective have you been on a go forward basis, thanks?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yes, sure thanks for the question. I wish that were true all the time and the actual answer is it depends on the acquisition. Some of the things we buy or networks where we go okay, they do the same thing that we do. And so from a revenue perspective I don’t know that it is going to make us grow any faster from a revenue perspective. From an EBITDA perspective it’s definitely going to make our EBITDA grow faster which is how we measure ourselves. So from our perspective that is a great thing to have happened. Those other businesses like Customs Info for example where we look and go, that business is growing quite well before we ever met them and we think with our network we can find more people to buy that stuff and just like you said I hope in that scenario we are able to grow faster than we grow other parts of our business. With the Airclic one, this is a business that I wouldn’t say was growing rapidly prior to our meeting them. And like you were suggesting in part of your question, our hope is that when we bring our customers together with their customers that we are going to find more opportunities for our routing solutions in their customer base and that we are going to find more opportunities for our handheld and mobile solutions in our customer base. And so in that case yes, I absolutely do hope that one plus one equals three and that we can bring that to make our business grow more quickly. So it kind of depends on the acquisition, what are we buying and what was the intention of it. Some of them work out exactly the way you said and others are done for another reason, maybe not to grow revenue as much as to grow EBITDA which as our focus, that’s important to us.

Richard Davis

Analyst

Got it, cool, thanks.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you, Richard.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Bhavan Suri from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey Bhavan, how are you doing?

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Good, guys how are you?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yeah, very well.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Good, good. I first just wanted to touch on the partner pipeline. You know, last quarter you sort compted you had seen a sort of an acceleration there and uptick you felt really good about it, may be just a little more color on that to start off with?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yeah sure, so we have lots of partnerships but the big ones that we spend a lot of time focused on and probably more household names are SAP, Oracle, NetSuite, and Info [ph]. And we have got a lot more traction in the last year with all four of them. The acquisition of Customs Info certainly helped with SAP and Oracle. We have had a previous relationship with SAP which was moving along pretty well but with the introduction of our Customs Info into our business it took it to a whole new level. They are obviously continuing to resell our trade data content through Customs Info but it has really helped us in our discussions of using the network. You know they are starting to position our customs network in all of their key sales which is their global customs software solution which would now be sold with our network running behind it. And we are working on them with behind their transportation management system to have our network connect their customers up to all their carriers. That's a work in progress but I see it as a great long-term opportunity. With the workload Customs Info really changed it completely. We got very little interaction with Oracle directly prior to Customs Info. We definitely used to go behind their sales processes and follow them around and say hey, if you bought Oracle's transportation management system you should also use Descartes network. But we didn’t have Oracle saying that. Now with Customs Info we got to know the Oracle guys a lot better, kind of proving to them that hey, we are not really competitive with you in any way and our network could really help your customers get to value kind of value in your transportation management solution. If…

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

And then when you are looking, maybe we will just focus on SAP because it is probably the most mature there and kind of the biggest part right now, when you look at that sales process does -- is that a SAP sales person or do you have a sales person involved once it has been qualified by SAP, so what sort of leverage can we see in that part of the business if SAP is doing it themselves and then is there close rate as a sales cycle, longer shorter than your typical one where you are involved directly?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Well, it depends. On the content side with Customs Info that is already coming along and was before we met them and so you have a number of people at SAP that can go and represent that solution without our involvement. So we are getting calls towards the end of deals that are saying hey, we are about to sell this to customer XYZ and we need a price from you on data content. That makes the sales cycle look short to us. I don’t have any belief that it was a short sales cycle but for us it is. And so that’s great, that’s a mature partner relationship to me. On the network side we are still getting started and he asked do our sales reps still have to go along on the network side, absolutely. We are probably engaged with five or six customers with them right now and our sales reps are directly engaged. They certainly want to change that for their own benefit so that they can go faster. But to do that they have to go through 10 or 15 of them with us so that their sales guys sell this stuff, become familiar with it and hear the sales pitch go down enough that they say I can do this on my own, I can just call Descartes at the end. But that’s not the way it goes right now. So, we are working to get there.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Okay helpful and then just jumping back to the comment you’ve made about safe and sort of 180 countries committed and 45 are live if you want to look at that not just from a number of countries but kind of the guys who are the large guys so, in that 45 I assume that U.S. was involved and possibly China is involved and stuff like that. If you are to segment that by percentage of volume or transactions that were live, how would you think about that market opportunity in terms of what’s left?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

I don’t know the exact percentages. I can tell you that a number of the large countries are live which would make sense, right. The guys with the biggest stake in the game go first because they go, hey I need to protect my borders and the bigger countries tend to think of that more seriously than the smaller countries. There are still a number of large countries that are not doing this yet, China for example. It is part of it but also not live on very much of it yet. And because of the 13 pre-fractures in China they tend to do this one by one where you don’t get the whole country out of the gate. And so we’ll wait and see how these things come in. But it’s very encouraging to us that they’ve all signed on to this initiative globally to say we are going to do this. I know it might take five or maybe even 10 years for them to all to actually do it but to me that’s an opportunity for Descartes as we plan on being in this game for the long run.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks Ed, that was helpful.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Steven Li from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Steven Li

Analyst

Hi, thank you. Hey guys. I am not sure if you have this information handy maybe I can follow up off line but you gave us what you assume for FX for calibration, what is the percentage of your revenues and costs that are denominated in Canadian dollars, British pounds, and Euro?

Allan Brett

Analyst

Yes, I will give you some rough numbers Steven, about 45% of our revenues come from the European region and reasonable amount of operating expenses come from that area as well. So there is a net impact which will be the EBITDA impact from Europe. From a Canadian perspective less than 10% of our sales are Canadian. This quarter 10%, but generally 9% to 8% and more of our operating expenses are coming from Canada. So the Canadian headquarters it’s here new. So we’ve got a little bit of a different scenario in Canada where we have operating expenses as a percentage than we have as far as revenue and that creates a difference in foreign exchange. Is that enough detail or do you want more.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

One more thing he was asking was the percentage of Europe, it was 12.40, right.

Allan Brett

Analyst

Yes 45% in Europe and roughly that’s Euro but it’s also there is a bit of British pound in there as well.

Steven Li

Analyst

Okay and in Canada would you say like 20% of your operating expenses is Canadian dollars?

Allan Brett

Analyst

Between 20% and 30% would be a reasonable number but it’s definitely much higher than our 8% to 10% of revenue.

Steven Li

Analyst

Alright. Okay, that’s great Allan, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Paul Steep from Scotia Capital. Please go ahead.

Paul Steep

Analyst

Great, thanks. Hey Ed maybe you could talk on Airclic. We’ve gone around it lots and lots and it looks on the surface that the deal maybe paid a little more than traditionally paid for, why don’t you go back and I know you hope for synergies but clearly there was something you saw on the deal and upfront in your initial interactions and what your client feedback was that led you to be comfortable with that, what was the feedback from your joint clients that got you comfy in this deal?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Sure, we think in the long run this is going to be viewed as a relatively an expensive deal for us. But I can see why you say on the surface it looks expensive. And I am glad you brought it up in the context to customers because that’s what got us focused on us in the first place. We noticed over the last three or four years that when customers bought our routing solutions increasingly they want to buy mobile Brink's, Sleepy's, Performance Food Group look at our routing solutions and say I want that. Then they look at our mobile solutions and they say boy, I’d really like to buy this from the same guy but your mobile solutions have not handled sophistications of the delivery process that I have. And when they told us what they wanted to do, we can’t do that anytime soon in the product that we have. In each of those cases, those customers chose Airclic and we started to notice, had in the notice that increasingly Airclic was coming to us saying hey, I need to integrate to you for Sleepy, so I need to integrate to you for Performance Food Group, or I need to integrate to you for Brink's or for Delta Airlines. And these customers that these guys have are the same customers that we have and our customers were telling us it would sure be convenient if I could buy that from the same guy so that I know that these two things work together. Because they are really trying to do these together where this is all driven by I want to do plan versus actual. So I know where my drivers are in relation to where they are supposed to be and they have a handheld solution in front of them that can let them complete the sale at the customer site. And that’s what got us excited about it. When we looked at the numbers we ran, these guys don’t make much money at all right now but what we think if we bring our discipline of operations to it and some of our scale and synergies we might bring to the table we can get them in line with our metrics over the next two years. And we thought if we can do that I think we can make a lot of money on this and that will be good for shareholders so let’s do it.

Paul Steep

Analyst

Great, then the last part of this question that I’ll ask it clearly doesn’t sound like it’s any sort of an initiative to retrofit the base, it sounds like this is a cleaner go to market solution. With that integration that you have done and a couple examples you cited, is that good enough or you already there to point where we are in a go to market situation today?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yes, we can go to market with it right away. We are going to market with it right away. I mean both their sales force and our sales force were very excited when we told them that this was going to happen, because they went oh, good that’s what the customers want, that’s going to make my job easy. And so I think that’s a great thing. Can we improve that integration, absolutely. Now that it’s all part of the same company we can certainly make it better. Can we go to market with it today. Absolutely.

Paul Steep

Analyst

Great, last one from me, Customs Info, maybe you could talk just a little bit about I term it channel sell through but sell through back into your own base in terms of the effort to go back, any work on that area or is it simply hunting out new accounts on that side?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Yes, thanks. The way we have set it up is we are trying to educate our sales reps about this right now. But it’s a pretty complex thing, right. The Airclic for example process, our sales guys know the sales process already. They know the same customers remember in a lot of the cases we handed that customer with Airclic so that they could do the job. Our sales guy knew how to sell it, they just didn’t have the tool to do that until we bought Airclic. In Customs Info's case we knew that our customers wanted to look at trade and content information at the same time they were executing shipments on our network. But I don’t think our guys were familiar with that process. Over the last couple of months we’ve educated them about that to the point where they can go and identify opportunities for that in our customer base but then we pulling in the Customs Info sales guys into it. Customs Info has a lot of sales people that are very good and that really understand that business, and when we get a customer of Descartes that is using a global logistics network and they say hey, I want to also access trade and duty information while on executing this transaction we quickly bring a Customs Info sales guy along. Now over the next couple of years I hope that all of those people Descartes and the Customs Info sales people learn how to cross sell the fit solutions. And I guess there is one other thing I should mention, in the broker community we do business with a lot of customs as brokers. We sell a complete back office system to, that’s a real opportunity for us with Customs Info as well because they obviously need that tariff and duty information embedded in their system. And the sales guys that we have, they are focused on those solutions, they do understand the data content very well. So they are probably on to it a little more quickly than let’s say our guys that are focused on retailers and manufacturers largely selling our transportation management and writing scheduling solutions or maybe a little less familiar with tariff and duty information than the guys that sell the global logistics network.

Paul Steep

Analyst

Great, thanks guys.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question come from Ralph Garcea from Global MaxFin. Please go ahead.

Ralph Garcea

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey, thanks Ralph, how are you doing?

Ralph Garcea

Analyst

Not too bad. Just one for you, I guess on the Airclic again is the focus going to be to sort of cross sell everything else you have in your portfolio into that sort of food and beverage healthcare and retail verticals or do you have any equivalent solution in Europe similar to Airclic or does this travel lot of Europe and you can grow?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Airclic has operations in Europe already because they are a smaller company than Descartes. They have nearly a significant operation in Europe but the product works over there. So we just had those guys over there last week working with our sales force to understand exactly what they are capable of doing and trying to find more opportunities. Interestingly enough Airclics' biggest operation in Europe is in the UK where we happen to have an awful lot of home delivery omni channel retail customers and prospects. And so that’s -- I looked at that so that’s great news because I think we can bring Airclic to the table straight away and that hopefully will result in more sale.

Ralph Garcea

Analyst

Was it about 10% of their revenue before you bought it, and you can grow that a bit bigger in Europe now?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Europe, it was pretty close to 10%

Allan Brett

Analyst

Yes, right around 10%.

Ralph Garcea

Analyst

Okay and then for Allan I guess you been there six months, this is probably one of the best quarter I think in the last 10 years, have you done anything differently or is the business getting more linear and you are able to manage it better from a collections perspective?

Allan Brett

Analyst

You know what there is a few things. I think the trends have been in place for a while but we are at 44 days right now. While we stated out there that were 45 to 55 is a reasonable range so we are slightly below that range. Couple of things we continue to buy reoccurring revenue where we can bill in advance that’s key to helping on the receivable side but just strong execution from our AR team. And the recent acquisitions in the U.S. do help as the days outstanding in Europe will be different. It’s not a Descartes phenomenon just a European thing. So as we -- as our revenues percentages shift around a little bit that does help. We still think we could have quarters where it goes up a little bit depending on various issues but yes, strong collections overall at 44 days.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

I think if I could just say something about that, the group that does that does a great job and it continues to get better at it every quarter. I hear them say they are going to do a bigger number every quarter and I always kind of go when is that going to stop. It doesn’t seem like it would have to end it at some point and they do a fantastic job. And the other issue where we have said all along is happy customers pay and so as we do a good job of making our customers happy, they tend to pay us quickly because they are happy and that shows up on our DSO numbers which is great.

Ralph Garcea

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you, Ralph.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Brian Asgus [ph] from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Hey Brian.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks, just one follow up on Airclic. I just wanted to understand and I think you’ve spoken to how small their customer base is, what’s the sense of overlap with your customer, is that a substantially significant incremental cost of opportunity or is there already some good amount of overlap there?

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

There is some overlap. I mean they probably have, I mentioned a bunch of them Delta, Brink's, Sleepy, Performance Food Group and there is a handful of others. The majority of their customer base is not a customer of Descartes and the majority of our customer base obviously is not customer of Airclic. So there is lots of opportunity to cross sell but it was comforting to me to see that there are a number of customers across the number of industries that use both of our solutions together already. And that was exciting for us and across it is not only the obvious ones like retail home delivery stuff but like Delta Airlines and Alaska Airlines that use this for cargo handling at the airport. They are grand handling agents are using Airclic software on the ground to scan stuff on and off planes. Those things that they are scanning on and off planes end up in shipments on our global logistics network. So, when I was talking to the Delta people right after the acquisition, I mean they were coming up with four or five different ideas of what this would mean to them and how they could do more things now that we are together. And that was exciting to us.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great insight, thank you.

Edward J. Ryan

Analyst

Thank you Brian.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Scott Pagan for closing remarks.

J. Scott Pagan

Analyst

Hey, great guys. Thanks for your time this quarter, appreciate you joining the call and we look forward to reporting back to you next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect.