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Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 23, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to the Diana Shipping Incorporated Third Quarter Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Edward Nebb, IR Advisor for Diana Shipping. Thank you Mr. Nebb, you may begin.

Edward Nebb

Management

Thank you, Rob. Good morning or good afternoon all. Welcome to the Diana Shipping Incorporated 2011 third quarter conference call. The members of the management team who are with us today include Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Anastasios Margaronis, President; Mr. Andreas Michalopoulos, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Ioannis Zafirakis, Executive Vice President and Secretary; and Ms. Maria Dede, Chief Accounting Officer. Before management begins their remarks, let me briefly summarize the Safe Harbor notice, which you can see in its entirety in today’s news release. Certain statements made during this conference call, which are not statements of historical fact are forward looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such forward-looking statements are based on assumptions, expectations, projections, intentions and beliefs as to future events that may not prove to be accurate. For a description of the risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause future results to differ, please refer to the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now with that, let me turn the call over to Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Diana Shipping Inc.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thanks, Ed. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Diana Shipping delivered respectable financial performance during the 2011 third quarter, despite operating in a dry bulk marketplace and the economic cycle that continue to be extremely challenging. While the overall market environment remains unsettled, we believe that the outlook for the balance of this year and into 2012 is for continue pressure on rates. In this difficult environment, shareholders should be rest assured that we will continue to follow our time tested strategies, managing our chartering operations in a balanced and conservative manner, prudently expanding our fleet and our revenue generating capacity, and maintaining a sound balance sheet. We continued to pursue chartering policies that promote a balance of time charter maturities and sustain a predictable revenue stream. Currently, our fixed revenue days are 100% in 2011 and 79% in 2012. Significantly during the first quarter we enter into time charter agreements for our two Newcastlemax newbuildings, the m/v Los Angeles and the m/v Philadelphia through 2016. Last week, we announced a further expansion of our fleet with an agreement to purchase the MV Vathy, a 2010 built Panamax dry bulk carrier of 81,297 tonnes deadweight for a price of US$32.25 million. The vessel to be renamed Leto is expected to be delivered to the company by the sellers during the first quarter of 2012. With this new acquisition, as well as our two Newcastlemax newbuildings our fleet would consist of 27 dry bulk carriers. We have continued to emphasize a focused balance year with strong liquidity and minimal leverage. Our cash position at December 30, 2011 was in excess of US$395 million or about US$50 million higher than at year end 2010. Long-term debt including current portion was US$374.8 million, compared to stockholders equity of US$1.19 billion. This…

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Thanks, Simeon. And welcome to all the participants on this third quarter 2011 conference call. During the past quarter, the freight market was certainly as volatile as the equity markets have been, which is indeed the result of the prevailing fine balance between supply and demand. The Baltic Dry Index stood at 1,422 points on July 1, 2011 and having reached a high of 1,928 on September 26th, yesterday closed at 1,854. The Baltic Cape Index was the main component of this volatility, which started the previous quarter at 2,045 points reached 3,344 on September 26th, while closed yesterday at 3,146. The Baltic Panamax Index was much less volatile during the period starting from 1,590 reaching 1,748 on September 15th and closing yesterday at 1,848. World economic growth according to the IMF is expected to stand at about 4.3% in 2011 and 4.5% in 2012. The U.S. is expected to grow by 2.5% this year and 2.7% in 2012. These figures are slightly higher than the U.S. government’s latest estimates. China is expected to grow 9.6% in 2011 and 9.5% in 2012, while India is expected to grow at 8.2% in 2011 and 7.8% in 2012. There are several positive signs in China at the moment. Thermal coal demand has remained extremely strong and electricity production is expected to set new records once the peak winter demand season begins. Retail sales have also remained robust. One of the biggest causes for concern however, is the Chinese steel production appears likely to decline. While we do not expect that production will come under very long period of pressure, steel profile probably need to come down by about 1.5 million tonnes before production can rebound. According to the World Steel Association, steel use will increase by 6.5% on a worldwide basis during…

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Thank you, Stacy, and good morning. I’m pleased to be discussing today with you Diana’s operational results for the third quarter 2011 and nine months ended September 30, 2011. Third quarter 2011, net income for Diana Shipping Inc. for the third quarter of 2011 amounted to $26.4 million and the EPS was $0.33. Time charter revenues decreased to $64.2 million, compared to $71.6 million in 2010. The decrease is attributable to decreased average time charter rates that we achieved through our vessels during the period compared with the third quarter of 2010 and also decreased revenues due to the deconsolidation of Diana Containerships Inc. The decrease was partly offset by revenues derived from the vessels Alcmene and Arethusa added to our fleet in November 2010 and July 2011. Ownership days were 2,202 for the third quarter of 2011, compared to 2,200 in the same period of 2010. Fleet utilization was 99.7% in the third quarter 2011, the same as in 2010. The daily time charter equivalent rate for the third quarter of 2011 was $27,957, compared to $31,593 for 2010. Other revenues for the third quarter of 2011 amounted to $0.4 and consist of revenues derived from the management and administrative agreements between Diana Shipping Services S.A. and Diana Containerships Inc. Voyage expenses were $3.1 million for the quarter. Operating expenses amounted to $14.1 million and increased by 8%. The increase is attributable to increased crew costs, insurances in stores and spares, and was partly offset by decreases in repairs and maintenance and miscellaneous costs. Daily operating expenses were $6,387 for the third quarter of 2011, compared to $5,962 in 2010 representing an increase of 7%. Depreciation and amortization of deferred charges amounted to $14.1 million. General and administrative expenses decreased by $0.2 million or 3% for the third quarter…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Thank you. Our first question is from the line of Michael Webber with Wells Fargo. Please state your question. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Hey. Good morning, guys. How are you?

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Very well.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thank you, Mike. How are you? Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Good, good. I wanted to touch on something that was in your release in terms of reauthorizing your buyback authorization. Obviously, you guys didn’t use it last go around. Can you give some thoughts on how you think about it here with your cash position and obviously, looking to build out your fleet, any change in the way you’re thinking about that buyback authorization with a new set?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Hi Mike. This is Ioannis Zafirakis. If you remember the last time we introduced, we reauthorized again the plan. We said that we have it just in case needed. This time things seem to us rather different and we see some discrepancies in the way we are priced and we see this as a very attractive -- we see the price of Diana being at attractive levels for Diana to invest in Diana. So this time is, I’ll say rather different and we are much closer to utilizing this plan. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Okay. That’s interesting. How do you guys prioritize that versus acquiring vessels right now?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

We do not prioritize one against the other, but certainly, we see the purchase of a vessel and buying back sales are something similar. So if you take into account that we do things in a staggered manner we will either do the one and then do the other or both is not very probable. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Okay. So in terms of thinking about the buyback, you would approach it like you were acquiring assets of potentially just along the trough and kind of small increments like you are in terms of acquiring single vessels along the trough.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Correct. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Okay. All right. That’s very helpful. Stacy, in your comments, you mentioned in the deals you guys are seeing and then what you guys could be doing over the next couple of quarters. You mentioned newbuilds which is a bit of a departure and I guess your most recent strategy in terms of buying second hand assets. Can you talk a little bit about what you’re seeing now and why potentially moving back towards the newbuild market and then kind of where does it turns out?

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Well, bear in mind that today, the rate which we are chartering the vessels, the bulk carriers are at a multiple to the running expenses of the ship. So until the rates go at par to the running expenses of the vessels, we will be buying either resales or very young ships. But when the rates go at par to the running expenses, we may look for ordering newbuildings to utilize the period needed to take the vessel and get delivery of the ship. Can you understand what I’m trying to say here? Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: No, no. I do. I do. That’s very helpful.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Okay. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Yeah. No. thank you. I guess...

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

So we are going to utilize the period for building the vessel to come closer to the market changing from the bottom to the -- to higher rates. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Right. Now that makes a lot of sense. I guess just finally, we’ve seen some continuing counter-party issues in the space, it look like get kind of runaway a little bit and we’ve recently seen costs are renegotiated in another Capesize charter, obviously your exposure there is minimal to none. Can you talk about what you guys are saying from your counter-parties right now, whether or not there has been any payment issue and then whether or not you guys have been approached to renegotiate anything?

Simeon Palios

Management

We have no material situations in our fleet. Of course, you understand that you have brokers trying to see and fix around what’s happening et cetera but in our case we have nothing material to report. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Okay. What – typically, what’s your approach to the scenario, I mean, you have some longer Capesize charters that then -- and that are pretty above market. I mean you have a pretty taking a pretty firm stands in terms of not renegotiating or how are you guys approaching that on a surface?

Simeon Palios

Management

We have no situation whatsoever and the charters that we have the best names around and secondly, the policy they know very well, the Diana’s policies would have no tolerance or whatsoever in any type of renegotiation. Michael Webber – Wells Fargo: Okay. That’s very helpful. I’ll turn it over. Thank you guys for the time.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Thank you.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Welcome.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Justin Yagerman, Deutsche Bank. Please state your question. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Hi, guys. How are you?

Simeon Palios

Management

Hi, Justin.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Hi, Justin. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Hi. So I wanted to get a sense in this last transaction, how many vessels you looked at, how many were on the market and how same the sales and purchase market is right now, because we obviously haven’t seen a huge amount of transactions?

Simeon Palios

Management

Well, we have seen several ships. We have seen a number of Panamaxes, a number of Capes. We have seen two or three Post-Panamaxes and a few Capes. Now the criteria to buy the vessel is very high today because we have a lot to choose and pick. So if you take into consideration the very high standard we are putting on our new purchase, it leaves at the moment very few ships to pick and choose. And I think the proof is the Vathy which is going to be name Leto is a good example of what we are trying to do. The vessel was built in Universal, their first class yard and the specification was such that we could not refuse. So, all in all, there are ships to purchase but very few to meet the criteria we are setting to buy the ships Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Okay. Andreas maybe you could remind us between I guess cash less where you’re going to have to payout for the vessel that you are purchasing plus debt availability? What’s the overall firepower right now at the company? And then if you think about new debt and where you go from a leverage standpoint? I’d be curious to hear how you guys think about your buying power in the marketplace right now?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

You will understand that we feel very comfortable about our buying power, looking at the balance sheet at the end of the quarter, you will see that our cash and cash equivalents are of $395 million and our total bank debt is of $375 million i.e. our net debt is of in the vicinity of $20 million. Having said that, you need to take into account that we have in our fleet currently many vessels that are unencumbered and that means as you know that they are not mortgaged and that is mainly three Panamaxes and five Capesize vessels that are not mortgaged. So that could be added to this firepower that you’re talking about. Apart from that, we have our chartering policy that is scattered portfolio approach and therefore where we have our charters that distribute revenues every quarter steadily. So for most of vessel likely to be remain Leto, strategy will remain the one that we have talked about all along and that is we will seek for leverage for that vessel, 60% is what we’re looking for. We are in the process of approaching banks for that leverage and we already have some positive indications that we will secure leverage up to 50%, which is what we want anyway. So going forward you can make the numbers yourself, our firepower is big and we feel comfortable that we will be able to unfold as we have started steadily our strategy of buying vessels throughout the bottom of the cycle. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Okay.

Simeon Palios

Management

Okay. Now Justin, if I may add to what Andreas has said, is the gearing which we have in mind and what do we have as a target after two or even three years from now, when the market recovers, we must find ourselves geared to approximately 50% of the prices of the ships at that particular moment, which means chatter two and half or three years from now. Now, this creates a different mind power which I think you can very easily assess.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Clearly, we’ve seen it close to $1 billion as we speak today. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Okay. That’s helpful in terms of framing that up. And then I guess so the top prices going forward just piggybacking on what Mike was asking about before. Now it’s both ships and shares that we should expect you to be periodically purchasing over the next, let’s call it 12 months and is there a thought that one will be favored over the other at different times or that you’ll be looking to just buy both with that billion of firepower over the next 12 months?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Justin it depends clearly on the pricing of our stock. If the price of our stock presents an opportunity, we will buy back some shares. But it depends. We will have to wait and see whether this discrepancy in the way we are valued is going to continue or not. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Okay. And the last question and I’ll turn it over to someone else. Just curious, we get very varying reports here in the U.S. and in the public markets about the amount of capital on the sidelines and having just bought a vessel maybe you can talk about who else was there to bid on this vessel? I don’t know if this was an off-market transaction or not but how you feel about the competitive landscape when you go to buy a vessel? Obviously asset prices have come in but do you feel like there is enough capital on the sidelines that were close to a floor for asset prices or people are jumping in as vessels become available or is there enough scarcity that when you’re out there bidding it’s maybe you and a handful of other players and really it’s a more of a buyer’s market?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

There were rather but they were bidding for the vessel and of course you need others to bid in order to determine the price for a willing seller but it is through that there are not a lot of players out there that they can be buyers of today’s market. You need to have the strategy and the size of the company that we do in order to be able to keep buying assets when the charter rates are going down and the prices are going down. We think that we have an advantage here compared to the smaller players and this is what we’re going to utilize 100% for the sake of our shareholders. It’s certainly buyers market but net in the levels that we are going to see in few months from now. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Yeah.

Simeon Palios

Management

And price adjusting, I think we have to differentiate between static money and dynamic money. Here, the money is in our balance sheet. You have something to buck you up all along there are other monies around, but they are not in their balance sheet. So that’s the difference. Can you follow me? Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Yeah. I know absolutely, I think that’s a really fair point. But it calls the question, if prices for a Panamax dip into the 20’s instead of being in 30’s, does that static money become more dynamic? I don’t know, but I would watch to see how that plays out.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

No. They cannot become dynamic because the charter rate is not going be there to keep producing a profit as total picture of the company. And then the buyer is going to think twice whether to spend the money to buy something that from day one is loss making.

Simeon Palios

Management

If the resale value of that vessel is 20, Panamax is 20, the charter rate will be, I can assure you in line of the running expenses of the same. So the question for the owner at that particular moment will be, am I going to lay her up or am I going to trade here. So most likely, he will be laying up the vessel at a substantial cost to maintain the vessel in the same position. So if you’re the son that if he has a number of ships to back that particular vessel up it’s a different story but if he is putting his money from the bank, which is static money, it is not the same story. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: That’s fair. Okay. Well, thanks, it’s really helpful in terms of market color. Appreciate the time.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Thank you. Welcome.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thank you, Justin. Justin Yagerman – Deutsche Bank: Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from line of Gregory Lewis from Credit Suisse Group. Please state your questions. Gregory Lewis – Credit Suisse Group: Yeah. Thank you and good afternoon.

Simeon Palios

Management

Hi, Gregory. Gregory Lewis – Credit Suisse Group: Ioannis, I mean we’ve touched on the buyback a little bit here right, I mean clearly when I think about Diana when people think about Diana I mean the stock is trading below NAV and that’s probably part of the reason why the buyback make sense. But in thinking about a level for the stock where the buyback goes I mean clearly you guys have an outlook on where asset prices are going to be going over the next couple of quarters. In your forward outlook is -- what you’re telling us is that where -- when you don’t think asset prices are going to push your NAV down to where the stock is trading?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

This may happen, but as we have explained in the past we are doing purchases in a staggered manner. Gregory Lewis – Credit Suisse Group: Okay.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

So regardless of whether what we expect so the same apply for our stock price, if we see the discount we feel is an attractive investment for our shareholders we will do it. Gregory Lewis – Credit Suisse Group: Okay. Perfect. And then just changing topics a little bit to talk about newbuildings, when you think about what it cost the Chinese to build a vessel, what it costs the Japanese to build a vessel clearly there is a lot of flat capacity that’s going to be coming available at some shipyards. In thinking about what the outlook looks like for newbuilding prices over the next year I mean -- I’m getting the sense that we could see new built prices continue to bleed lower, could you talk a little bit about that?

Simeon Palios

Management

Well, if you want to purchase today or to place an order for a Panamax you will be talking between $50 million and $53 million depending where you are going to build divestiture, if you are going to build a sister ship to Vathy today, you will be talking closer to $55 million from -- or even more than that. So it depends where we are going to place the order. But something which I want to make clear is that the replacement cost has no bearing on the value of the second hand prices of the ships. Universal does not carry cargo on both their (inaudible). She is not an asset. She is a liability. In respect to whether the replacement cost is high or low. I don’t know whether I have answered your question or you were implying something else? Gregory Lewis – Credit Suisse Group: I mean, I guess I was just trying to figure out maybe how much lower newbuilding prices could go, but I think that I guess is just going to be a function but now I’m great. Hey, thanks for the time guys. Have a great day.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thank you.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Thank you. Bye Greg.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley. Please state your question. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Yeah. Good morning, gentleman.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Hi Fotis Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Just to follow up a little bit on the last question of Greg, about 10 years ago, you started building your fleet when newbuilding prices were around $20 million, $21 million. Today, a brokers report that newbuilding prices might be below $30 million. Given the value of the steel and the change in the steel price, where do you think -- do you think that we are in a comparable situation and in a comparable newbuilding market like we were at that time and how low can the shipyards go?

Simeon Palios

Management

Well, remember that when we order our first six newbuildings from Samco Hyundai, the price was $19.7 million but the charter rate at the time was approximately $500 in excess of the running expenses of the vessel at the time, so the price today -- the rates which we are facing today with time charter rate, not the same. Today we are taking $12,500 daily for let’s say year, if the vessel gives for a Panamax ship the vessels gives delivery in the Far East and approximately 13.5 of the vessel gives delivery in the continent for a year which is twice, it’s a multiple of two times the running expenses of the ship. So we have plenty of room to go down. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: I understand on the second hand price. If I just want to try to understand a little bit, do the shipyard have the flexibility or do they still make money right now, when if you would have to make a estimate on the margin that they are earning from current prices, what would that be?

Simeon Palios

Management

Well, it’s difficult for me to tell you how much a Panamax perceive in China or in Japan today, but I think at today’s prices they are still making money, yeah.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

I mean Fotis anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that they are making a small amount of profit depending on when they purchase their raw materials, what deal they can reach with engine makers than the makers of all the auxiliary equipment et cetera. As you got Japan though at least the Japanese yards claim that as long as the Yen is under 100 Yen to the dollar, they do not consider themselves capable of competing with China and Korea for bulk carriers at least that’s what the shipbuilders association is indicating in public. I assume they’re not wrong in this assessment.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Fotis, if I may add that in order to put it blindly, no one is going to buy a vessel of $30 million Panamax vessel of $30 million when their charter rates are at 7,000 just because this is how much it costs for a yard to produce it. The yard either would have to go down on the price or the vessels are not going to build ever. You will not have a market for those vessels. Therefore the replacement cost is something that can’t be relevant in that case. Don’t forget also that the paints, the engine producers, everybody involved in building a vessel in order to keep having orders, they will have to lower as they have done already their prices, so you may see even steel prices are going even further down because of that and you may the replacement cost going even further down to $25 million for a Panamax vessel for example. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you, guys. Just from your experience, do you have -- do you remember in the past, how long asset values or the CPRs were willing to sell below their profitability level, below their breakeven? Is it a period where one year that might last or it can last much longer?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

This is something we certainly we cannot comment at. And the business cycle does not repeat itself to the dot, but certainly it resembles and we cannot be in a position to know. What I remember though just for you, back in 1999, when we order the Panamax vessel it was the yard that they were begging us to buy their vessels. This is what I can tell you. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: I understand. Thank you. Just -- I’m a little bit confused actually with the market because we have seen the supply coming with double digit rates, we’re talking about 14%, 14.5% capacity expansion in 2011 and yet rates they have stayed well above operating expenses which is in complete contrast with the other major shipping market meaning the tanker market. What is -- what are the drivers that they have kept the market at relatively healthy levels provided of course one has both the ships at reasonable prices?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Well Fotis, I mentioned a few drivers in my short presentation. The main factor that many analysts believe has been keeping rates steady, they built up of inventor. The expectation that steel production is going to remain robust, and that infrastructure projects in China and other parts of the developing world are going to keep at their high pace of increase and execution and unfortunately a public housing as well is being seen as a sector, which will take up a lot of this steel production and is a driver for commodity demand. Now, we cannot of course, keep saying that this is going to continue forever. We are going to see what happens in China. If these housing projects, which are already beginning to show signs of fatigue, start being reduced at least the pace of increase going down, we are going to have a reduction in the rate of increase in demand for steel and hence iron ore and coking coal. Now it is a good sign indeed that the tonnage has been absorbed, but it doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been building up in the meantime and as these ships, when they come off charter will be competing for business, which has to keep increasing at a similar pace. As I mentioned with the VLOCs taken into consideration, next year, we’ll see over 10% increases in the Capesize or very large bulk carrier sector. This is not an encouraging sign because we have to assume again that we’re going to have growth in China in excess of 9%, is beginning to look doubtful now, plus all these infrastructure projects being executed at the same speed that they have been doing during 2010. These are not foregone conclusions and the problem that we have with this market is that, there is no breathing space here for demand to stop increasing even for a quarter or two because the ships keep coming and the surplus will keep increasing and there isn’t much you can do in the way of scrapping to alleviate that with the age profile of the Capes and even the Panamax fleet. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Okay. Thank you. I’m sure that the most of the analysts agree and recently we have revised down versus the projections on the steel demand for China, but I think one of the big debates is what is going on with the local iron ore production, especially with prices dropping and how profitable the local miners are going to be? Do you have a view on that and if you do think that the Chinese will keep producing iron ore or will be depending more on imported iron ore?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Unfortunately, we don’t data to form an opinion on this and all we do is read what others have to say and they don’t seem to reach any specific or uniform conclusion in their analysis. So the answer is unfortunately we cannot say much on that. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: And last you mentioned earlier that you might start looking newbuildings again and there is the discussion in the market about this new designs, the fuel efficient that they can consume much less 3 to 5 tonnes at least less than the previous designs. Is this a real story and what would that translate in terms of cost or in terms of earnings capacity for a vessel like that?

Simeon Palios

Management

Well Fotis, don’t forget today the banker price in Rotterdam is $650 per tonne for bankers here and of course this is $1,030. So the price is too high and whenever the price is too high everybody is coming out with new ships, very efficient ships that there are. I think that most of the designs, both on the engine and on the car structure is such that it does not given us a lot of room to be very happy of having a very efficient ship. I cannot see anything more than about 2% to 3% better efficient overall on these smaller ships and even less on the papers, so we don’t see that as a breakthrough situation here. Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Okay. I understand. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thank you, Fotis.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Sal Vitale of Sterne, Agee. Please state your question. Sal Vitale – Sterne, Agee: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Simeon Palios

Management

Hi. Sal Vitale – Sterne, Agee: Just a quick question just going back to the decision as to whether to repurchase shares or continue to acquire vessels, so it sounds like you’re more disposed at this point given, I guess, with the stock prices to acquire shares. And I just wanted to get a sense on what your view on the continued decline in asset prices is. So if I look at it, just looking at say five year old second hand Panamax vessels, 76,000 deadweight tonnes, they were down about 30%, 32% from a year ago levels. So they were about $39.5 million according to Clarksons now about $27 million. So was your hope or was your belief that the asset prices would have come down more and is it just a little bit if I guess a view that the continued decline might take longer than you would have liked and therefore you might shift your strategy to buying more shares -- buying shares rather than buying vessels?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

As we have explained throughout the -- so many years, six years that we are public, this is exact -- our model is exactly placed -- exactly for that reason not to have to try and forecast how low the prices can go and how long this is going to take. And this is the reason why we do the purchases in a staggered manner and although we have a belief that the values may go further down. We buy one asset or we will spend $30 million, let’s say a number, for buying back shares. Of course, it is our view that the prices may go further down and it is very possible for that to happen and we will keep buying assets or buying back our stock, as long as we are in this part of the cycle. What we would like though to explain further is that regards the share buyback program, we really value the liquidity of our stock, the number of shares that there are facing every day. So we are not there to do something that is going to put this in danger and decrease the liquidity of the company. So you have to understand that the share buyback program is there and is going to be used very carefully and not to disturb the liquidity of the stock. Sal Vitale – Sterne, Agee: Sure. That’s helpful. And then just I guess a follow-up on that regarding capital deployment. I look at your P&L and your results and you’re solidly profitable every quarter. You have some growth opportunities ahead of where you can grow your fleet, but have you considered or would you consider at this point maybe initiating a dividend again. Maybe something conservative, say something like 20% payout with 25% payout where you’re still conserving a lot of cash but you’re returning some cash to shareholders in the form of a dividend.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

We have said in the past that in this part of the cycle, we don’t feel it’s the right time to issues a dividend. We have better use of cash and that is to acquire vessels and we would remain at that. When the market return towards better days, when we hopefully will have increased our fleet and also our leverage up as Anastasios says to 50% leverage towards the peak of the market, then it will be the right time to reinstate the dividend and also change our strategy towards one where we grow our capital base by issuing more equity and making acquisitions that are accretive to that dividend. So we -- so yeah...

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Okay. We’re nominating perspective. We understand that paying $1 as a dividend is a little bit North of $80 million. $80 million to-date has can buy you assets equivalent of $150 million and where the prices are going we see that being translated to five vessels. So you can see here the difference of paying a dividend and growing the company in a market that we think at a point will turn for better and better. Sal Vitale – Sterne, Agee: Sure. I see that, I understand that. I guess just the one question or topic that hasn’t been asked, you see a lot of companies that are struggling, a lot of your peers that are struggling both publicly traded and private I guess. What are you seeing right now on acquisition opportunities in terms of buying entire fleets? I assume you’ve been presented opportunities by several banks given that your balance sheet is so strong and you have such high acquisition capability.

Simeon Palios

Management

I think it will be a very wrong for us to go and buy something at a particular moment. We have to make the purchases at one and every show open not a number of vessels because then you are taking a specific point and you hope that very soon the market will go up and it will be wrong, it’s better to buy every three months or every four months one ship rather than go and buy a fleet at one specific time. Don’t forget that you have also another safety valve, you have a fleet which is chartered to major charters. So what you have to also take into consideration is that you are aiming to get the 50% gearing when the market will start coming up, so if you are not successful, let’s say, after two years or a year from today, you have to see again and take a photograph to see where are you and what are you making out of your existing fleet. So that is your safety net to come to this 50% gearing at the end of the last period. Sal Vitale – Sterne, Agee: That’s very helpful. Thank you very much.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Gary Chase with Barclays Capital. Please state your question. Gary Chase – Barclays Capital: Hi, good afternoon everybody. I wanted to see if I could ask you the charter terms that you announced on the -- I think the vessels in the reef were more a little bit shorter term than what we’ve seen. Is that something that we should expect, I know you have a number of vessels that are you’re going to be looking to re-charter over the next year or so, should we be expecting that you’ll be looking at shorter terms for those just given where the market is and where rates are.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

No. We continue -- as we have said in the past, we are not here to change our strategy as regards chartering. It’s a way of hedging our risk and we are here to stagger the opening days of our vessels and we have portfolio approaching the way we charter the vessels. And you have seen the vessel charter for another year another two -- approximately a year and a half, the new charter is going to be -- the new charter with Morgan Stanley Capital Group is going to be finishing either in -- between January and April 2015. The reason why we chartered the vessel in such a manner is not that we are taking the position that after that the market is going to be better. It’s simply because in our portfolio approach we didn’t have a lot of vessels opening during that period, the next one may be shorter or longer than this, it doesn’t mean anything. Gary Chase – Barclays Capital: Okay. And then when you talked about the amount of leverage that you are going to or you said you had a commitment I think for 50% leverage on what will become the Leto. Is that just reflective of your own goals and the idea that you want to be 50% levered when you come out the other side of this or is that where you -- is that more reflective of what -- where the market is in terms of what banks are allowing you to leverage against new purchases?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

At the moment this is reflective of our own goals. So, yeah, that’s reflective of our own goals, but I want to say we don’t have anything committed yet. As soon as we have something committed and signed, we come up with a press release and announce -- we’ll announce it as everything we do, we do it that way. We are in discussions with banks and what we are asking is 50%, so that’s our goal.

Simeon Palios

Management

The Leto is one of the vessels which will be mortgaged. We have others which are mortgaged, but 50% overall on the total fleet is going to be the goal after two and a half years or three years from today. And that two and a half years or three years will depend and have the safety net of the existing charters. So you can move it. Gary Chase – Barclays Capital: Right. And if you had -- if it was your intent to get better leverage on that, you don’t think you would have had a problem moving to like 70?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

It’s difficult to comment. I think for sure 60 would be possible -- possibly 70, but 60, I’m very comfortable that if we were asking for 60, we would have no problem to obtain it. Now 70, in those days, I cannot really comment but quite frankly, we -- even for 60 it is my personal view that it would be easy to obtain if we wanted to.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

Well, bear in mind that it will be entirely whether you are going to give a signature of Diana Shipping Inc. If Diana Shipping Inc. does not counter sign on the loan, may be 70 is not possible, but if you are willing to counter sign, yeah, I think it’s possible. Gary Chase – Barclays Capital: Okay. Thank you very much everyone.

Simeon Palios

Management

Thank you.

Anastasios Margaronis

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Michael Pak of Clarkson Capital. Please state your question. Michael Pak – Clarkson Capital: Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Given that it’s pretty late in the call, I’ll make it quick but I did want to make clear in my mind is given your outlook on the dry bulk market and the continuing possibility of your valuation discrepancy and also your stated strategy of staggered cycle approaches to acquisition, can we feel confident that you could complete this new $100 million program of share buyback?

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

I think today the way things are today, $100 million is too many -- it’s too much money to be spent quickly and the $100 million that is there just to have a number but $100 million if you think about it, it’s going to buy a lot of shares and this is going to be the agreement to the liquidity of the stock and the free flows, so we do not expect to utilize in full by 2012 this pay back program. Michael Pak – Clarkson Capital: Great. That’s all I have. Thanks a lot guys.

Andreas Michalopoulos

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is from the line of Lambros Papaeconomou with NYFEX Asset Management. Please state your question. Lambros Papaeconomou – NYFEX Asset Management: Good afternoon. I would like to ask on the two newbuilding vessels that you have on order. If you could provide some guidance on the remaining installment payments when we should expect and if we should have any in the fourth quarter of this year?

Simeon Palios

Management

We don’t proceed to have any further installment on the fourth quarter of this year. We expect to have the delivery of the first vessel Hull H1234 Los Angeles. We expect to have it in February and that is more or less in February you never can be absolute about those numbers, but in the first quarter of 2012. And finally for the Hull 1235, we expect to have an additional installment in the first quarter of 2012 and the deliver either at the end of the first quarter of 2012 or very beginning of the second quarter of 2012. Lambros Papaeconomou – NYFEX Asset Management: Thank you very much.

Simeon Palios

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I’d now like to turn the floor back to management for closing comments.

Simeon Palios

Management

Well, thank you again for your interest in and support of Diana Shipping. We’ll continue to manage the company for reliable results in a challenging market environment and we look forward to speak with you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.