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DTE Energy Company (DTE)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 26, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone, and welcome to the DTE Energy 2017 Q2 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Barbara Tuckfield. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Barbara Tuckfield - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone to read the Safe Harbor statement on page 2, including the reference to forward-looking statement. Our presentation also includes references to operating earnings, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. Please refer to the reconciliation of GAAP net income to operating earnings provided in the appendix. With us this morning are Gerry Anderson, Chairman and CEO; Jerry Norcia, President and COO; and Peter Oleksiak, Senior Vice President and CFO. We also have members of the management team to call on during the Q&A. Now, I'll turn it over to Gerry to start the call.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

All right. Well, thank you, Barb, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. So this morning, I will give you a recap of our performance for the second quarter, including some updates on a few key developments of the company. And then, I'll hand it over to Jerry Norcia, who will provide a bit more detail on our progress, particularly at our non-utility businesses. And then finally, Peter will provide a financial review, wrap things up, and then we'll take the Q&A. So moving on to slide 5, on the first quarter call, I said that we were off to a really strong start in 2017, and I will just reiterate that at the halfway point of the year. This past quarter was successful on a number of fronts for the company, including our financial performance. So, I feel very good about our financial results over the first half of the year. And based on those results, we are increasing our 2017 earnings guidance midpoint by $0.11 a share to $5.42. I also say that I'm confident in our ability to deliver on that increased guidance, and on our ability to continue to deliver similar results longer term. So, I think many of you are aware that back in May, we announced a sustainability initiative that commits DTE to reducing its carbon emissions by over 80% by 2050 with interim commitments to reduce levels on the path along the way to that ultimate goal. So this announcement was a defining event for DTE. It set the course for our power generation investments for many years to come. Interestingly, the announcement was really widely covered in the press with over 200 articles and publications nationwide picking it up. The sentiment of the coverage was very positive, and I'll talk…

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thanks, Gerry, and good morning, everyone. I'll be giving an update on the non-utility growth businesses, GSP and P&I. I'll start with GSP in our Bluestone Pipeline & Gathering assets on slide 8. As Gerry mentioned, Bluestone achieved a major milestone in the second quarter. For the first time, the system is delivering 1 Bcf of natural gas per day to the Millennium and Tennessee Interstate Pipelines. This landmark achievement is significant for a couple of reasons. It is an important achievement for our DTE team as they start – system started with initial capacity of 0.3 Bcf per day. And through a lot of work and multiple expansions, we have more than tripled the capacity in just over five years. The other reason is that it is clear sign of the abundance of low-cost natural gas in a region closest to the nation's largest gas markets, enabling to build of new natural gas-fired plants. Our Millennium Pipeline is moving towards completing an additional 0.2 Bcf per day expansion in the second half of 2018, bringing its total capacity to 1 Bcf per day. The success in our Bluestone and Millennium Pipelines gives me confidence that we will see similar results as we move our new projects forward. The Link Lateral & Gathering project continues to receive significant market interest. Key producers continue to bring on additional wells online, and other producers will soon be doing the same. This is consistent with our expectations and supports the positive momentum for Link. We're also in ongoing discussions with producers to fill and expand the pipe. Gerry provided an update on the NEXUS Pipeline. I want to reiterate that we are ready for construction with right-of-way acquisition significantly completed, and most of our permits received. As soon as FERC nominations play out,…

Peter B. Oleksiak - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thanks, Jerry, and good morning to everyone. Let's start on slide 11. This slide shows our quarter-over-quarter operating earnings by segment. DTE had a strong second quarter driven by growth in our non-utility segments and unlike my Detroit Tigers who are struggling to hit the 0.500-mark and are rebuilding, DTE just keeps winning and outperforming. Operating earnings for the second quarter were $1.07 per share and for reference, reported earnings were $0.99 per share. For a detailed breakdown of EPS by segment including a reconciliation to GAAP reported earnings, please refer to slide 23 of the appendix. Starting on the top of the page with our two utilities, DTE Electric's earnings were $148 million for the quarter, up $13 million compared to the second quarter last year. We've implemented new rates, which were partially offset by a return to normal weather in May this year. A further breakdown of DTE Electric's quarter-over-quarter results can be found in the appendix on slide 16. For DTE Gas, earnings were $1 million, down $12 million quarter-over-quarter, primarily driven by a warmer than normal April, higher rate base growth, and O&M related to benefit expenses, partially offset by new rates implemented last November. At DTE Gas, one thing we are seeing because of the last rate case is that the shape of earnings is different than what we have seen historically. As I mentioned on the first quarter call, earnings will be higher in the first and fourth quarter and lower in the second and third quarter, because rates are now more volumetric in nature. The third quarter will be most affected, where earnings could be lower by as much as $10 million to $20 million quarter-over-quarter, including base rate increases. This change in timing of earnings has no impact on our full-year results,…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. Our first question comes from Mike Weinstein with Credit Suisse. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Hi. Good morning.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

Peter B. Oleksiak - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning, Mike. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: So, I just wanted to confirm that it looks like all of the increasing guidance is from the – mostly from the pipeline segments or mostly from the P&I landfill gas. Is that basically ahead of schedule? Is that why we're raising guidance at this point?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

You're talking about the increase we just gave in 2017. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: For 2017. Yeah.

Peter B. Oleksiak - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Yes, it's for our both segments, for our Gas Storage & Pipelines segment. It is across the platform of businesses in both our gathering and pipeline, since it's had strong results which will carry throughout the year. And then for our P&I segment, it's a combination of steel-related, which is a coke battery volumes as well as REF volumes as well, which is tied to coal plants that we have our REF sites on. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: And I think you mentioned that you're in talks to expand Link further with producers. Can you give us an indication how far along those discussions are? What point may you be able to discuss the natural expansion with some numbers around it?

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

We're seeing the producers – it's Jerry Norcia. We're seeing the producers drill and fill their capacity positions, and we are on a number of conversations that could lead to an expansion. But we haven't secured any of those at this point. But we're feeling very good, both the volumes and the drilling ramp that we're seeing, and the reserves that these producers are drilling into. It's certainly proceeding well in line with plans.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

One thing to remember about that pipeline is it had capacity available for producers to expand into. So one of the key jobs was to fill up that volume, and as Jerry just said, we're feeling very encouraged by the pace of drilling and the level of activity in the area, and the growth we're seeing on the pipe. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Okay. And just to confirm also that we're still at 1.75 Bcf for the, it's the backlog of interconnect agreements, right, on NEXUS? Has that number changed, or are we still two-thirds contracted at this point?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Still two-thirds contracted, and, yes, the 1.75 Bcf of interconnect agreements is what we have. Michael Weinstein - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Okay. Thank you very much.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners.

Shahriar Pourreza - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Good morning, guys.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

Shahriar Pourreza - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

So, just let me ask you a follow-up question on NEXUS. What's the inflection point on the additional firm capacity? So what I'm – I guess what I'm trying to get at is, do you – knowing what you know now, do you expect additional interconnection agreements to transfer to firm as you get a FERC certificate, or do you expect the additional demand-pull to come when you're well under way in construction?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

We've got – as you mentioned, we've got significant interconnectivity along the NEXUS Pipeline, that I think will yield more firm contracts. In terms of timing, a lot of the conversations are revolving around providing those potential shippers with certainty as when the pipeline will go into service. And I think the moment that we get a FERC certificate and we start construction, we'll start to move to close on some of those firm service agreements.

Shahriar Pourreza - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Excellent. And then, Gerry, I think we've discussed, you're pursuing a bit of a – some sort of a capital tracking mechanism on the electric side. Is there any status there, and when do you expect this study due? And then how does that sort of fit as far as your coal retirement and in your carbon reduction targets?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

So I think step one in working with the commission is work we're doing on a distribution investment plan. So we were asked by the commission to file a five-year look at distribution investments. And we took that as a very positive collaborative effort. They understand that we need to invest to modernize the system, to automate the system, to improve reliability and so forth, and it's a significant investment. So, the filing is really for them to understand it better and for the commission and DTE to be on the same page. That's step one. The second question is, how to fund that construction? And I think there is some interest on both sides for alternative mechanisms for the portions of that build that are straightforward and well understood, once the plan is well understood. But I guess I'd say, I wouldn't put the cart before the horse, so to speak. We want to get a good plan that's understood by the commission. And then if we can put a recovery mechanism in place that helps both sides, that's great; if not, we'll proceed as normal. I'd expect those sorts of discussions to be – about recovery mechanisms to potentially be playing out next year, after we work our way through the distribution plan this year.

Shahriar Pourreza - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Got it. And then in a successful, if you get a capital tracking mechanism under the assumption that it's something that's substantial, expect to stay out of a rate case for multiple years (25:17)?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Well, that would be one of the advantages, would be to spread out the time between cases and keep the cases focused on the things that really are out of normal, so to speak. So if we can have routine things covered in tracking mechanisms and the non-routine things covered in cases, that would be ideal. But, again, I think that's an agenda we'll work next year once we've got greater clarity on – an agreement on the investment agenda itself.

Shahriar Pourreza - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Terrific, guys. Thanks so much.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

Peter B. Oleksiak - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning, Anthony.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies

Peter, sorry about the Tigers, but all you got to do is get hot in August, right? 8.5 games is not that bad. Just quickly on P&I, do the stronger expected earnings at P&I also go away as the REF credits expire, or is there a higher expected ending point when – what's that (26:17) 2021?

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Yeah. Our REF units will expire in tranches, the first one is the end of 2020, so 2021, and the other one being 2022. So this is tied to those units and the credits that will expire in that timeframe.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies

Okay. So...

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

There's many additional (26:34) earnings in cash for us in the short-term, which is very positive.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies

Okay. More earnings in cash in the near term, but the uptick here also rolls off in 2021?

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

That's correct.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies

Great. Thanks. I'm good.

Operator

Operator

We'll move on to our next question from John Barta with KeyBanc.

John J. Barta - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc

Hi. Good morning.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

Peter B. Oleksiak - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning.

John J. Barta - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc

Can we just talk about the – are there any drivers in the 3% or down 3% industrial growth here today or just some of the puts and takes there?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Yeah, some of its related to the auto production. There is some retooling as they move over to new models, that's part of it. The other is the steel-related earnings, which we make very little margin on, were down quarter-over-quarter.

John J. Barta - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc

Okay. And then just lastly, I didn't see mention of the 5% to 7% EPS growth rate, is everything still intact there or is it just kind of lumpy from year-to-year just given the last two strong years?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

We're still on track for 5% to 7% that's the plan.

John J. Barta - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc

Okay. Thank you.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Charles Fishman with Morningstar.

Charles Fishman - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Good morning. Gerry, I heard the other day that the Senate leadership was talking about putting all four of the nominees forward at the same time, even though only two have gone through committee. Have you heard anything like that or is it even worth wasting time in trying to figure out what's going on in the Senate?

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

So I'd say a couple of things without wanting to be too specific. I'd say number one, we're very close to this. We've got not surprisingly many people who are working closely with our senators and with members of the Energy Committee and people close to the whole discussion. Second, I can tell you that the discussion is very active. So the Senate leadership gets it that there's the country's business waiting to be done as not only these nominees, but other nominees sit out there unconfirmed. So they get it and that has led to very active discussions about deals and approaches that could move things along, hopefully move things along in packages and so forth. But I guess I would say that the discussions are fluid, and I'm not going to try to be overly specific in terms of how it might play out. I think we've got to leave that to McConnell, Schumer and company. But hopefully I guess the last thing I'd say is, you'd be concerned if there was kind of radio silence on the other side as they dealt with some of the big issues that they're dealing with. That's not the case. Now the discussions are very active on this, and there's a lot of interest in getting this done, hopefully. And I think there is hope that that would be before the August recess, but if not quickly, after they come back in early September.

Charles Fishman - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay. That's a pretty fair answer. Thank you. That's all I had.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Angie Storozynski with Macquarie. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Thank you.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Good morning. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: I wanted to go back – good morning. I wanted to go back to NEXUS. I know, you've already answered a number of questions about it. But is there any take away for NEXUS from what's going on with Rover? I mean, I understand that there are delays on that pipeline, but it seems like a shipper might feel a little bit relieved that the delays are happening, because they actually don't have enough gas to feed in that pipe. I mean, is this the same phenomenon for NEXUS, and how do you think about the project if you were not to sign any additional contracts besides what you already have?

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

So, we're very aware of – this is Jerry Norcia, very aware of the technical issues that Rover is experiencing. What I will tell you that Enbridge/Spectra and ourselves have been involved in many pipeline projects and have a tremendous amount of experience in building pipelines, and we feel that we'll proceed in a way that's environmentally responsible and follow best practices in the industry. So, we have not in our past experienced these types of problems, and we don't expect to experience any of them on this pipeline either – our pipeline. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: That addresses any construction issues. But I'm asking more about contracting concerns, simply given that the drilling activities actually not that intense around the area?

Jerry Norcia - DTE Energy Co.

Management

So we've got – our current commitments are underpinned 50% by LDCs, so it's a demand-pull, and our LDCs are actively in the region looking to secure supply. We have not had any issues in that regard. The other half of our commitments is from producers, and as we converse with our producers, they are prepared when we go into service to build the pipe. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Okay.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

So we're not seeing issues on that front. I mean, you really asked two questions. Construction, and Jerry said, look, we built a lot of pipes in the past and we are planning to do it the right way. We're planning to do it in an environmentally responsible, well-planned way. And on production, they're going to put drilling activity in place when they need to, to meet their commitments on the pipe. They're not going to let a commitment on a pipe sit empty. So we are in active discussions. They plan to do that. And as Jerry said, we and the Canadian utilities are in active discussions to secure supply to fulfill our commitments and that's going well too. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Okay. Thank you.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And that is all the questions we have. I would like to turn the conference back over to Gerry Anderson for any closing or additional remarks.

Gerard M. Anderson - DTE Energy Co.

Management

I'll just close the way I opened, which is to say the year is off to a really good start, halfway through, increasing guidance by $0.11. And as I said, I feel very good about our ability to meet that and our ability to continue the pattern of the 5% to 7% earnings growth that we've demonstrated, and we look forward to doing that for you. Thanks very much for joining us this morning. We look forward to updating you soon.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.