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Duos Technologies Group, Inc. (DUOT)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 13, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to Duos Technologies' Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us for today's call are Duos' CEO, Chuck Ferry; and CFO, Adrian Goldfarb. Following their remarks, we will open the call for your questions. Then before we conclude today's call, I'll provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during this call. Now I would like to turn the call over to Duos CEO, Chuck Ferry. Sir, please go ahead.

Charles Ferry

Management

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We've just released our press release as well as our 10-Q announcing our financial results for the second quarter of 2024 and other operational highlights. Copies of both are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. I encourage all listeners to review that release and 10-Q filing with the SEC to better understand some of the details we'll be discussing during today's call. In the last few earnings calls, I have articulated our strategy to diversify our growing technology business into areas where we have expertise and synergies, with the intent to more rapidly increase our value and return on investment to our shareholders. On our call today, I'm going to report on those diversification efforts and what they will mean for us going forward. We are making steady progress with our Railcar Inspection Portal business to include ongoing installation projects with Amtrak and the planning for a new RIP installation at a large chemical manufacturer. As I reported earlier, we now have an important agreement and partnership in place with one of our long-term Class 1 railroad customers, currently the largest user of our wayside technology. The new agreement allows us to add subscribers to seven of our 13 portals, along with an eighth portal owned by a different customer. We'll talk more about the subscription offering later in the call. Our Edge Data Center business, called Duos Edge AI, has made fast progress commercially given the high demand for Edge computing infrastructure. Our plans to have four Edge Data Centers installed in various locations in Texas this year are on schedule, and we expect recurring revenue from those data centers to begin in Q4. I just returned from a TD Cowen data center investor conference being held in Boulder, Colorado, and I can tell you that there is excitement in this industry about our business when I'm discussing it with potential customers, investors and analysts. Our pipeline of new orders is growing and I expect to install at least 15 more Edge Data Centers in FY 2025. I have previously spoken about the power industry experience that the Duos team and I have from our time at APR Energy. With our entry into the data center space, we are now getting requests to participate and, in some cases, lead opportunities to install power in support of data centers here in the United States. Based on this rapidly growing demand, we have incorporated Duos Energy Corporation as a third subsidiary to Duos Technologies Group and already have a small pipeline of projects that could further accelerate our growth -- our goal for more recurring revenue and profitability. We'll discuss each line of business in more detail after the financial review. So at this time, I'll turn it over to Adrian to cover our financial results.

Adrian Goldfarb

Management

Thanks, Chuck. Following on from Chuck's introductory remarks, I would like to give a brief commentary on the recent operational highlights and my expectations as to how and when these will translate into revenue growth and, most importantly, profitability. As Chuck mentioned, the company is in the process of expanding into three distinct lines of business: complex visualization with AI, as manifested in our legacy Duos Tech business; the recently announced business of providing Edge Data Centers and related operational services; and the brand-new subsidiary, which will focus on power provision for data centers, both Edge and traditional. While these three divisions may on the face of it look as if they are not related, in fact, Duos and its management team, and staff, have extensive experience in all three domains. Chuck will address the 3-year strategic plan for the company in his commentary following my discussion of the financials. But from my perspective, the transition plan is expected to be complete by the end of 2024 with an expected markedly improved financial position and guidance at the conclusion of the transition period. During the last call, I stated that I believe that we are on the threshold of steadily improving results, and I believe we are seeing the first signs of this in our most recent quarterly results. As such, we will detail out our plans for the remainder of 2024, and indications are that a $70-plus million investment in building a talented organization, intellectual property with highly defendable patents, and now access to new markets with key assets that the company owns or plans to own will provide a solid foundation for the expected increase in recurring revenues. With that in mind, let us now look at the results for the second quarter and first half of 2024.…

Charles Ferry

Management

Thank you, Adrian. I'll start first about our Railcar Inspection Portal business, and more specifically about the subscription offering. On May 17, 2024, Duos and our largest Class 1 customer executed a 5-year machine vision AI subscription partnership agreement. Much of the expansion on our balance sheet that Adrian discussed is a result of this agreement. This is the first machine vision and AI rail safety partnership agreement in North America. The agreement authorizes Duos to offer shippers and railcar owners transiting their Class 1 network the opportunity to subscribe to wayside machine vision AI safety technology. While Duos is the inventor of the Railcar Inspection Portal and holder of 10 active U.S. patents for this innovative wayside defect detection solution, our Class 1 customer is leading the rail industry in the deployment of machine vision AI wayside detection technology with seven portals in the United States and Canada. More importantly, our Class 1 customer has fully integrated the portals into their mechanical inspection operations. Mechanical Carmen from the Class 1s that I have talked to say that they are getting great results using the tool and have provided good feedback that we've used to improve the system over time. Going forward, Duos and our Class 1 customer will emphasize standardizing machine vision AI safety technology so the data can be easily exchanged through a subscription service with other Class 1s, regional carriers, passenger railroads and first responders. Our Railcar Inspection Portal technology can be integrated into railroad, public safety and asset management data systems, with the ability to identify FRA and critical safety appliance defects and communicate alerts to train crews, train dispatchers, railroad operation centers and first responders in real time. Visual documentation of the train, railcar location within the train, car initial and number, placard and defects…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question comes from Michael Latimore with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Great. Yes. Thanks very much. So I guess, as you think about the second half of this year, I know you're not giving specific guidance, but maybe can you sort of highlight the top two or three driver -- incremental revenue drivers second half versus first half?

Charles Ferry

Management

Yes, I'll start, and I'll let -- this is Chuck. I'll start and I'll let Adrian clean up behind me here. At a high level, key revenues that we're expecting to come in, first of all, will come in from Amtrak, which is an ongoing installation project. Adrian mentioned we've already accelerated some of that revenue, and that was because we've installed now the very large Edge Data Center which is a part of that installation, and that occurred here about a month or so ago. We've got another large contract that we're expecting to close with a large chemical producer. And then we do expect to start seeing revenues coming in with our new Edge Data Centers that will be deployed out into the field. And Adrian, if you want to add to that, please?

Adrian Goldfarb

Management

No. That pretty much describes it, Mike. I think what you'll see is you'll see a marked improvement, obviously, over the past two quarters for Q3 related to the fact that we are now starting to push forward with the Amtrak installation. There are still some challenges around that, which I've mentioned and then just waiting to start the other RIP installation at the chemical manufacturer. Outside of that, we are currently in discussions with about 20 different potential clients on the subscription side, and with the Edge Data Centers, all of that will start probably -- will start to kick off probably in about Q4. I think what will happen is that we will in the next call, the Q3 call, we'll have a much better visibility on that. But I'm expecting much better results going forward.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Great. And then I think in the press release you talked about winning customers already for Edge Data Center and that amounts to, I think, $1 million of ARR starting in the fourth quarter. Does that assume kind of full capacity of those three Edge Data Centers, that $1 million of ARR?

Charles Ferry

Management

Yes. So it does. So we expect those to be filled to capacity. Again, these Edge Data Centers are effectively small-scale co-location data centers, which is why they're pretty in high demand. And we expect them to have filled out. So the way that kind of the operational cadence works, you get it installed, you bring the power and fiber up in the Edge Data Center. And in general, we expect about a 30-day period where customers start to come in, fill out that data center. So about 30 days after we commercially turn it on, it's effectively filled with those long-term and recurring customers inside those data centers.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Okay. And then, Chuck, did you say you had 15 people on staff that are kind of experienced in the energy world?

Charles Ferry

Management

Yes, we do. So we have a staff of about 70 folks total. Of that, at least 15 are prior APR Energy employees. I'm very fortunate that employees that used to work for me will come back and work for me a second time, which is very helpful. In those 15, they go across all of the skill sets that you need to commercially develop, financially plan for, engineer, procure, install, and then operate and maintain power plants. In this case, again, it's kind of a convergence of what we're doing inside the Edge Data Center space and the data center industry at large. When some of the customers and some of the data center analysts found out that we have all this power experience, all of a sudden, a lot of these power opportunities against data centers have become -- have been presented to us. And so I think we're going to take advantage of the talent we have on staff and our know-how in that space and participate in that.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Richard Jackson with True North Financial. Please go ahead.

Richard Jackson

Analyst · True North Financial. Please go ahead.

Yes. Congratulations on moving most of the business to a subscription model. I always thought that was the place to be long term. Can you give us a range of what gross margins and operating margins you're targeting for that subscription business? Is it vastly different between the power and the data and your railcar monitoring?

Charles Ferry

Management

Yes. I'll let Adrian cover the subscription part and I can talk to the data center and the power plant.

Adrian Goldfarb

Management

Yes. So from a subscription standpoint, the margins are very high. And that's because the marginal cost of putting in a subscription is not that much. So typically, you're looking for margin -- gross margins at minimum range of 70%. And then typically, we expect that to increase over time and get up into closer to the 90% range, as is typical with that type of business. And that's kind of been our aim with all of the businesses now that we're currently looking at.

Charles Ferry

Management

So on the Edge Data Centers again, there's -- obviously, there's a cost, again, because we own and operate these Edge Data Centers, so obviously there's costs going in. But those costs are effectively capitalized over the life of a 5-year recurring contracts. And so once that thing is up and operational, we expect gross margins to be at least in the 60% to 70% or higher area. On a power plant project, ones that are against these data centers right now, we would expect, again, there's going-in costs. The good news in this sector is that the data center operators and developers have shown a high willingness to pay up milestone payments to offset the costs of going into a power project. Once you're in there, again, good recurring revenue, typically five years or more. And we would expect our gross margin to be probably in the 50 to 60 percentile range with that particular business. Again, we're pushing a lot of the costs from an overhead perspective above the line, and then try to really bifurcate that G&A cost below to show a true -- what we're truly running at.

Adrian Goldfarb

Management

Yes. One other comment on that, Richard, is that as compared to some subscription businesses, although the level -- the number of customers is typically on the lower end just because of the industries they're in, the churn rate is extremely low. All of the contracts we look at are typically minimum multiyear contracts and can go on for a long time. So that's one of the beauties, it's not only a high margin but it's also a low churn business.

Richard Jackson

Analyst · True North Financial. Please go ahead.

So will you need capital? You got an idea of how much yet?

Charles Ferry

Management

Yes. Right now, we're not sizing out any capital right now. The Edge Data Center business, like we said, we've effectively funded the first four. The intention is to get those first four up and prove out the economics of that. And then we'll see what that looks like from there. That business could readily be funded from asset-backed debt financing. I'm not saying it's how we'll do that, but it can be. So there are ways to do that without diluting current shareholders. On the power side, there's a lot of different options there with the, I'll call it, the data center nuclear arms race. There are data center developers and operators that are willing to fund a lot of that as part of a power deal. So we'll see what that looks like and keep everybody updated.

Operator

Operator

Next question, Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Edward Woo

Analyst

Yes, hi. I just had a question about your pipeline. Has there been any change in the sales cycles as you try to get these new contracts? Is there different sales cycles with your railroad business and with the data center business?

Charles Ferry

Management

Ed, that's a great question. And yes, there is a big difference in the sales cycle time line between the rail and the Edge Data Center, and I'll talk to the power side of this in a moment. So again, the rail -- the cycle for closing rail CapEx deals is typically, as we've seen, taken sometimes 12 to 24 months. It can be a bit painstaking, but that really hasn't changed that much. On the subscription side, we're seeing it's probably taking about four to six, maybe even eight months to close a large subscription customer. Again, we're on the very front end of this. We've only been able to really truly offer a subscription of these portals for about the last 60 days. So we got a lot of interested customers. And so I think we'll have to come back to you in a couple of months to really give you an accurate metric for how long it's taking to close those customers. On the Edge Data Center side, what we're seeing is that once we find a customer who, in our case, has actually been funded by federal and state infrastructure dollars and being granted that money, we get into a conversation with them, the closure rate with them is about 60 to 90 days. And sometimes it's even faster. Now once we actually get interest from them and we start discussing the -- getting into contracts, now there's a pipeline of about, let's call it, about 90 days to actually manufacture the Edge Data Center. Month number four, you're actually installing the data center; by month number five, you're filling it up. So we're probably talking about, from interest to Edge Data Center in the ground and producing recurring revenue, let's call it about six months for that. On the power side, I don't have any specific data points right now for putting power up against data centers. But right now, it appears that -- both Adrian and I were out on a TD Cowen investor conference where the best and brightest of that industry were there, to include data center builders and hyperscalers. There are data center locations that need power now. So now it's a matter of how fast we can bring it to them. Again, I think on our next call, we'll be able to tell you with a little bit more clarity about what the interest to closure cycle looks like on that.

Edward Woo

Analyst

Great. I wish you guys good luck.

Charles Ferry

Management

Thanks, Ed. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ferry for his closing.

Charles Ferry

Management

Again, I'd like to thank the audience for joining us today. And as always, I want to double-thank all my Board members and most especially our shareholders and our -- especially, our long-term shareholders, for your support. I think our strategy is one that is going to be very lucrative for us going forward, like Adrian said. And we look forward to keeping you updated. I'll turn the call back over to our operator. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide Duos' safe harbor statement that includes important cautions regarding forward-looking statements made during this call. This earnings call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking terminologies such as believes, expects, may, will, should, anticipates, plans and their opposites or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. We caution you that these statements are not guarantees of future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties, risks and other influences, many of which are beyond our control, which may influence the accuracy of the statements and the projections upon which the statements are based and could cause Duos Technologies Group, Inc.'s actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by the forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those described in Item 1A in Duos' annual report on Form 10-K, which is expressly incorporated herein by reference and other factors as may periodically be described in Duos' filings with the SEC. Thank you for joining us today for Duos Technologies Group's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. You may now disconnect.