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Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 1, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to Duos Technologies Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us for today's call are Duos President, Doug Recker; and CFO, Leah Brown. [Operator Instructions] Then before we conclude today's call, I'll provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during this call. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Doug Recker. Sir, please proceed.

Doug Recker

Analyst

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Earlier today, we issued our earnings press release and our 10-K for 2025. Copies are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. I encourage all listeners to review press releases and our 10-K filing to better understand some of the details we'll be discussing during this afternoon's call. Before I begin, I would like to take a minute to personally thank Chuck Ferry for his leadership and guidance. Chuck has served the Duos organization and provided personal mentorship to me. I value Chuck and the opportunity he has provided me at Duos. It is not every day that you get it to be mentored by a war hero and a corporate Champion. And for that, I will be forever grateful I look forward to your continued mentorship and guidance as you continue to serve on our Board of Directors. Thank you, Chuck, for all you have done and continue to do for the Duos organization. As your newly appointed CEO, I am honored and excited to discuss the focus of Duos Technologies Group. We are now fully dedicated to the data center market through our Duos Edge and Tech Solutions division, driven by accelerating customer demand. I will get into more of that in a minute, but I want to give you an update on the Rail technology and Duos Energy subsidiaries. First, let me talk to you about our legacy business, which is the railcar inspection portal. In the previous calls, we have discussed that this line of business has become less important to our future at Duos. We also talked about diversifying our business strategy to edge computing. Thus, we have made the decision to completely divest the Rail division. This divestiture is expected to take place over…

Leah Brown

Analyst

Thank you, Doug. This has been an exciting year for Duos. 2025 is a year marked by significant revenue growth, strategic investments and meaningful progress towards building a stronger, more scalable company. I am truly excited to walk through our full year financial performance and highlight key operational drivers that shaped our results. For 2025, total consolidated revenue was approximately $27 million. The company previously projected revenue in 2025 of $28 million. Although that target was not met, we recorded a little over $1 million in deferred revenue for Technology Solutions, which is contracted, cash was received and we will record as revenue in 2025. In 2025, the $27 million in revenue was a significant increase compared to $7.3 million in 2024, which is over a 270% increase year-over-year. This growth was primarily driven by services and consulting revenue from the asset management agreement with new APR Energy, totaling $22.4 million in 2025 versus $900,000 in 2024. The company delivered materially stronger gross margin in 2025 and generating $7.9 million in gross profit, achieving approximately 29%, a significant year-over-year improvement. This was driven by improved cost absorption and continued operating efficiency. The company reported net loss of approximately $9.8 million in 2025. An improvement from the $10.8 million net loss in 2024. The year-over-year improvement was driven primarily by higher revenue and significantly stronger gross margin. As we discussed on our Q3 earnings call, achieving positive adjusted EBITDA was an important milestone for the company, reflecting the early benefits of revenue scale and margin improvement. I'm pleased to report that we've built on that progress in Q4, delivering positive adjusted EBITDA for the second consecutive quarter. This consistency is meaningful and demonstrates that the Q3 results was not a onetime event, but rather the continuation of improving operating performance as…

Doug Recker

Analyst

Leah, thank you. Before we open this up for questions, I wanted to say again how honored I am to serve as your new CEO. The new data center-focused strategy is the new Duos Group -- Duos Technologies Group, and we are poised for great success. We have been awarded global recognition with the Innovation of the Year award at the largest data center and telecom conference at Pacific Telecom Council, 2026 in January. We have also been nominated for breakout success in North America Digital Infrastructure Leader of the Year from the Tech Capital Global Awards coming up in May. The global recognitions only solidifies, we are on the right path at Duos with a prosperous future ahead. We understand we have a new focus, and this is a departure from our legacy business passed. We are taking steps to ensure the new messaging is related to the market and that we will be given the appropriate market coverage moving forward. We will be retaining an IR firm to assist and expect several analysts to report on our new focus and business activities in the near future. And with that, I will open it up to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets.

Edward Woo

Analyst

Yes, I'd just like to give my congratulations to you, Doug and to the entire Duos team. The growth that you guys had has just been amazing. My question is, as you mentioned that demand remains very, very strong. Are there any worries of competitors entering this market? And what can Duos do to be able to have the advantages to be able to compete if new entrants come in?

Doug Recker

Analyst

That's a great question, and that's why we're -- we manage the business appropriately. So you're going to see some people come into the market, like you just probably saw the press release from Crusoe. They're entering the market. As far as building 5 to 10 to 20-megawatt modular data centers. They're one of the largest in the business. They build Stargate, they're huge. So that in itself tells us we're in the right market. But what we've done, and this is an incredible piece, I just got back from GTC, and everybody was talking about how they're concerned about deploying with modular because GPUs are extremely sensitive to particles and dust. And ironically, in the best part about our business, we obtained a patent in September called the clean room we actually have a patent that goes on top of our -- it connects to our modular data center that cleans the air before you come in. So all the particles on your body, on your equipment are blown off filtered off, then you walk actually into the data center. That is huge when it comes to deploying because what's going to happen is the GPU providers like NVIDIA and everybody that make chips, everybody makes servers, they won't honor their warranties if the fans get dirty and dust in them. So that is a huge win for us, and it's going to help us differentiate us from the competitors coming in the market. You will see them, but we are the only ones that have deployed, prime example, 15 pods. I challenge everybody that comes into this business that doesn't have a 3D rendering to go look at physically look at their pod. We had a customer fly in from China last week, and they flew into Corpus Christi and toward our pods, just to see our manufacturing capabilities. So it looks like there'll be a new customer of ours on the hyperscale side, possibly. So we have the experience. We've done it. We can actually show people our markets that can physically go there to see our customers see year burning and see how the facility works. So we welcome the competition, but we're strong where we sit.

Edward Woo

Analyst

That sounds good. And my last question is kind of like a longer-term plan. I know you guys kind of been focused on the rural underserved markets. Is there plans to go into the bigger markets? And also, you mentioned China customers or China partners, do you anticipate possibly going international?

Doug Recker

Analyst

Yes. Great question. Right now, our focus is Tier 3, Tier 4 markets, and let me tell you why. The demands to deploy in a Tier 3 market, I can deploy my pods and get access to power in 90 to 120 days. If I go into a Tier 1 market, I'm competing against the larger data centers and the infrastructure that's already in place. We're going to build infrastructure fast. So where do you do that? You go into markets that have accessible power. They've built substations that have 5 to 10 meg available on them and permitting is a lot quicker. So our focus is going to continue to Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets, and that business sector is huge, and it's going to be huge for the next 10 years. And to your international question, once we start deploying at scale here and move on, we'll be open to international. But right now, our #1 focus is in the U.S. into the Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Weston with WestCap Management.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Congrats on the quarter. Doug, a couple of quick points of clarification. The -- I think you mentioned you were expecting to have -- or you do have 5 new EDCs in production to be deployed by year-end, if I heard that right. Are those 5 EDCs specific to the GPU as a service contract you just signed?

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

No, those 5 EDCs are committed to markets that have been contracted. So there are markets in Georgia, and we're working with the utility to deploy on their network as well. So those are our normal pods that we deploy in that we've deployed. Like the 15 we've deployed, they're identical. So yes. And let me give some clarification because this might help answer a lot of questions for other folks, too. We're still building our same model. Our core is you go after the education, health care and local government in these markets. But what we're doing at the factory is we're building the pod with more power. So we're deploying these units the same concept, the same places, but we're building more at scale, so we can bring in higher density users. So yes, so that's the model.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Got it. Back to the first GPU-as-a-service customer that you just recently signed. When do you expect to have those larger pods, if you will, in the ground and expect it to generate revenue.

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

We're on track for July, August. So with permitting and things like that, I want to say August to you, but we're looking good. So more August time frame.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

That's amazing. And as it just kind of ties into the guidance that Leah provided, Leah, if you're there, I think I wrote down $50 million to $55 million of revenue expected for this year. Could you give us a sense of how that revenue breaks down, please?

Leah Brown

Analyst · WestCap Management.

So yes, thank you for that question. So the revenue line that we anticipate for this year, we're expecting definitely on a holistic view to achieve that aggregate. As a company, we don't go into specifics for each business line. But overall, we do anticipate to meet that guidance.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Okay. I understand. And while you're there, you mentioned the PP&E up at $27 million and change. That's obviously a massive increase from last year, but also up $12 million from your Q3. Can you give us a breakdown of what that PP&E is, please?

Leah Brown

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Absolutely. So the majority of our PPE is our Edge Data Center. So we have 15 data centers, and we've also started prebuying for the next lot that is coming online in 2026. So you -- the majority of that. Yes.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Great stuff. And then last one for me, and I'll jump back in. Doug, I think you mentioned that you had secured the 4.8 megawatts of power for -- I assume you're talking about the GPU as a service contract. The initial LOI, I think you mentioned 10 megawatts dedicated to that project. Could you explain a little bit what the delta is there between the 4.8 and the 10 megawatts?

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Sure. So the site is built to 10 megawatts. So there's 10-megawatt available. So they're taking down 4.8 for critical load. So that means I can add to that site quickly up to 10 meg. Now that site can go to 20 meg, but it might take another year to get access to another 10. So that -- so the winner here is that site has a capability that's already been transformed down at 10 meg. So there's 10 meg physically available today if I wanted to sell it. So I would just build the pods, I build another section of pods to get to the 10 meg. So another 5 meg cluster of pods.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

And in terms of real estate, if you will, there's plenty of space there to just drop another 2, 3 or 5 pods down if needed.

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Yes. So there's 3 acres there. And what we've noticed is 3 acres is plenty. Basically, if you look at our model, we're deploying 5 meg it's really like looking at 5 school buses.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Understood completely. Do you anticipate that your first technology, global technology customer for the GPU as a service will end up taking the whole 10 megs?

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Yes. The actual -- there's 2 customers that are -- yes, absolutely. They're looking at 5 more sites at 5 megs with us right now. Obviously, we've researched, we found 5 sites with the power there, but we're going to get this one installed and the one in Iowa installed first, and then we'll report on how quickly we did it and how the revenue looks. But the demand -- I mean, I came back from GTC, and there was 21 -- we had 21 inquiries on 5 to 10 meg sites. The demand in this niche is unbelievable. So like I said, I'm not really worried about other people coming in. Our secret sauce is how we deploy quickly, how we find the power. We have a secret to that. and the other piece is the clean room. I don't see you -- prime example, in one of these pods, you're talking $10 million to $12 million just in GPU in a pod. So a clean room I don't understand why you wouldn't go to it, somebody that has a clean room. It doesn't cost them more.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Understood. By the way, do you anticipate that you'll be able to disclose who that first technology customer is in the near future?

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

I'm not sure. It's a very, very, very strict NDA right now. So I think maybe if we -- once we prove ourselves to them, it might be an option. But put it this way, they're Tier 1, so we're good.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

I appreciate that. Let me squeeze one last one and I'll hop back, you mentioned that there was a $10 million backlog in the Tech Solutions business that you expect to record as revenue for this year. Yes, is that typical for this business where the booking of the contract could take several quarters to actually run through the revenue line?

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Yes, exactly. So let me give you an example. So we sell a lot of -- and we have a lot of -- our funnel is huge. So we have a lot of like cabinet, PDUs fiber connectors, those are 60 days, 90 days max, right? Well, we booked that. We ship it out quickly. But UPSs and other switch gears are 6 to 8, some of them are 9 months out. So that's -- we had a big booking towards the end of the year, but it took 3 months for us to bill it, right? So A lot of the bigger products takes longer. But everything that we're booking that's in the funnel and that you see us report in this quarter, next quarter, we'll all build this year because the majority of it is I wouldn't say off the shelf, but it's more UPS, PDUs, cabinets, cold aisle containment, that kind of stuff. And there's a lot of it.

Dan Weston

Analyst · WestCap Management.

That's incredible. Congrats to everybody.

Doug Recker

Analyst · WestCap Management.

Thank you. That's why I'm here. I love the question. Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Nico Sacchetti with RBC.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

Maybe I'll piggyback on Dan's last question here. So not only is that $10 million of the distribution business going actually recognizing revenue. Is $10 million like a quarter a typical run rate for that business? Is that quite huge quarter? Is that low? Obviously, not looking for a definitive guidance, just trying to get an idea of what you're expecting or what that capability [indiscernible] just like a normalized situation.

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Yes. And we're new to the business, but what we're seeing is when we can recognize it and how stable it is. So let's say the funnel is over $150 million depending on what the product is.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

Sorry, just to clarify, you said the funnel like annual capacity. Is that like your high-end number that you could do in...

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

The $10 million was over 2 months, and that was when they first started. So obviously, we're looking at a lot greater than that.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

yes, going back in and out will hold on a little better. I thought you said the funnel is $150 million. Is that like an annual like TAM or capacity that you could do? Did I hear that number?

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Yes, that number is from two sales reps that we hired that's in their funnel for this year -- and that's only for 3 months of doing business. We just started that group. I mean, look, on data center buys $1.6 billion worth of product, right? So that's normal, believe it or not, in this industry.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

So it would be fair to say if there was any kind of negative perception around the loss of that $20 million 2-year and the opportunity substantially higher. You mentioned that replacing that revenue, but it sounds like this could be a multiple of that in a normalized situation.

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

That's exactly right. That's why we brought it on. And Nico, just real quick about that division. Remember, the main reason we brought that division on is in the marketplace right now, everybody knows to build a megawatt, it's anywhere from $10 million to $13 million, right, to build a megawatt. Why they're looking at us is I can build a megawatt for $6.5 million. And how do we do that, it's because an infrastructure group has direct to the manufacturer now. So I'm not buying through a Wesco or a Graybar. So 20% to 30% comes off the line because I buy direct.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

So you are offering something that can be set up substantially quicker than like a traditional football field size data center and at a lower cost is what it sounds like. .

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

That's right.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

Any thought of removing the lower cost and just go number a better margin profile.

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Right. But we can deploy quicker. Remember that. So in the CapEx isn't as intense. So you're deploying 5 megs at $25 million. It's a big difference.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

So a lot of what I have are just clarification questions. Obviously, there's a lot of moving parts. I'm just trying to make sense of what was the company you have the AMA, the equity software and then it's going towards this modular data center, school, hospital, anchor tenant, the metrics around that were very black and white like cost, what the revenue opportunity is. And then it seems like we're kind of pivoting again. And so I just want to make a sense of all of these moving parts. And maybe the -- it would be helpful if could clarify the deck that you have available on your website from February, I think it is. Is this like good information? There's just some difference in metrics from what's on the slide versus like what was reported. And I just have some clarification questions. I'm just curious like how set in stone the numbers were off of that specific presentation.

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Yes. So we're actually after -- obviously, after the call, we're going to update because now we've recognized and told some information. We're going to update that. But just remember, there's -- and I don't want to make it confusing. I'm trying to -- that's why I'm trying to change the model here a little bit. There's 2 pieces to our business. One is the Edge Data Center business and the one is the infrastructure. The Edge Data Center business, the GPU business falls under the Edge Data Center business. Remember, it's the same pod. It's the same concept. It's just I'm building them bigger. Just look at the GPU as a different type of customer. So I'm just bringing in different types of customers. So it's the same model, and the revenue is a lot higher, obviously, because they're taking power. We make money off of power space and cross connects, right? So the more power we sell, the more money we make. So -- but obviously, the CapEx goes up in the pod cost. The model -- and I'm pretty sure we shared that the model on the GPU is a big difference. Prime example, remember, our pod model at 15 cabinets is $350,000 to $400,000 a year. That's the goal, right? Out of that if you compare it to the GPU model, 1 meg, you're at $1 million a year. So at 4.8 megawatts, you're now at almost $1 million a month. So why not build the pod bigger and take the customers in that need that power. When all it is for us is at the factory, we just put bigger panels in.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

So when you say the same model, you've talked about just the original, the standard version of this going on kind of like Tier 2, Tier 3 markets or rural areas where there is like 500 miles data center, what's the...

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Nico, you're cutting out, it's hard to hear you.

Nico Sacchetti

Analyst · RBC.

I think I'm having some bad service here. I just want to get like do you have -- it sounds like it totally depends on the unit for what the metrics are or it was much more standardized with the other versions or the model and then when you say the same model, are they going in certain locations where instead of being a colocation where you still have the hospital and the school and it's in a rural area and you're just having less of it available to be leased out essentially by maybe other businesses in that town now that...

Doug Recker

Analyst · RBC.

Yes, that's -- you're exactly right, Nico, that's exactly right. So our core customers are our anchor customers, which are education, health care and then enterprise in that market, right? The carriers coming in to take space so they can peer and cross connect to each other. That's the best -- someone's cross talking, I'm sorry about that. But yes, Nicco, if you can hear me. That's the original model. That's why we're sticking with that model. We're just adding more capacity to bring those customers in that need higher density. So we're always servicing that market. And that's what helps us get into those Tier 3, Tier 4 markets, especially with permitting and everything because we're low on the radar. We're not 10, 20, 30, 40 megawatts that they have to build out that stream in the community. We're going after power that's already there. That's in excess that the utility wants to make money on. So in return, it helps the local community as well. in tax dollars. So they're actually welcoming us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Carl Wiese with Grow Funds.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Grow Funds.

Yes. I was wondering if you can kind of talk to at scale as you go into the second half. What does the model look like from a gross margin perspective? And then with all of the selling the Rail business and winding down the management contract. What kind of OpEx should we expect on a go-forward basis?

Doug Recker

Analyst · Grow Funds.

We'll talk real quick. Let me take over the rail. So the Rail business, we're hoping to offload or decommission that offload it in the next 60 days. That's the goal on that. So there's no burn on that business for us right now. So hopefully, we'll exit that. It frees up a lot of SG&A. So we'll obviously not carry that load of employees and all the other expense. So that's a good thing, and that should happen in the next 60 days. But I'll turn it over to Leah on your numbers there.

Leah Brown

Analyst · Grow Funds.

Sure. So Carl, good afternoon. Yes, so we should expect to see gross margin improve in the second half of the year. Just a reminder with the revenue recognition for some of our business lines, you are going to see that revenue recognized in the second half of the year. So we're looking at gross margin around 76%.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Grow Funds.

Gross margin shouldn't it -- well, the data centers themselves are what, 70 to 80 type gross margins.

Leah Brown

Analyst · Grow Funds.

Yes, exactly. So we should see around -- for gross margin, you're about $7 million, $6 million towards the end of the year. Yes, exactly. So just when we report here in May, you'll see our Q1, but you'll be able to see that revenue picking up in Q3 and Q4.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Grow Funds.

And OpEx, should actually be coming down at the same time.

Doug Recker

Analyst · Grow Funds.

The OpEx, yes.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Grow Funds.

And then just, Doug, as you said here today, how long do you think this demand environment will last?

Doug Recker

Analyst · Grow Funds.

I think the high demand like what we're seeing now, like when I go to GTC and there's 21 people trying to talk to me to take -- signed contracts. I think that is going to be strong for the next 3 to 4 years. And then what's critical about our business is the main data centers that are out there, and I think we might have talked about this before, the main data centers that are out there are going to look to us as a hub and spoke because they're going to want to capture those markets that we're in like the Dumas, like the Corpus Christi, Lubbock, these Tier 3 markets that we're going in, they need to have compute out there. So does the mobile operators. When we go to 6G, we're at 5G, we're going to 6G now. They need the compute out at what we call the eyeballs. So all that data is going to take a lot of fiber to get back, a lot of network, right? So they want to be able to own that network and they want to own that customer. The best way to do that is obviously buy these many data centers everywhere, bring them back to the core. Because to be honest with you, they're all going back to a core anyway. So it makes complete sense. So I think the growth is going to be very strong and extremely strong in the 3 to 10 meg range because right now, and I just did this exercise for another potential client, he needed 2 meg worth of power, 2 meg, which doesn't sound like a lot nowadays, but it's a lot. I couldn't find it throughout the country in one data center. I'm talking about a legacy data center. So the market is looking past the need of the 10 to 15 meg data centers. And prime example, like Johnson & Johnson, they keep their stuff at a local data center. They go to like a QTS. They go to Flexential. That's where the house. They don't go to a hyperscaler. They don't go to these big ones they're building. We're losing sight that the demand is there and they're still growing. So I think you're going to see the market for the next 5 to 10 years focusing on that 10 to 15-megawatt range. So we have a long haul, but we do have to build quickly.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tom Leonard with RiverBay Investments.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · RiverBay Investments.

You provided a lot of color on the GPU-as-a-service, the economics, the revenue of that. I'm trying to think about the revenue exit run rate this year. And so could you put a little more color on the high-density EDC, how many total megawatts and what's the revenue value per megawatt for that high-density colocation customer versus leasing and GPUs that you purchased?

Doug Recker

Analyst · RiverBay Investments.

Sure. On the GPU model, let me back up. The goal for this year is to deploy 25-megawatt. Now that can be through 300 kW pod that we deploy. Right now, we have 15 of them on the ground at 300 kW. But the total megawatt because that's what we're being judged by right now, everybody is being judged by megawatts, not by kilowatts or cabinets. So the plan is 25 megawatts. And when we look at the GPU model for every megawatt, we're looking at $2 million a year in revenue. That's right on the head. That's what they're billing, that's what the industry shows, and that's what we're building to. So it obviously is a very strong model to house GPU for customers.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And with that, that concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to pass the call back over to Doug for any closing remarks.

Doug Recker

Analyst

Well, I'd like to thank everybody for joining today, and we look forward to speaking with you in Q1 earnings. Thank you so much for your time.

Operator

Operator

Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide Duos safe harbor statement that includes important cautions regarding forward-looking statements made during this call. The earnings call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking terminologies such as believes, expects, may, will, should, anticipates, plans and their opposites or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. We caution you that these statements are not guarantees of future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties. Risks and other influences, many of which are beyond our control, which may influence the accuracy of the statements and the projections upon which the statements are based and could cause Duos Technologies Group's actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by the forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those described in the Item 1A and Duos on annual report on Form 10-K which is expressed incorporated herein by reference and other factors as may periodically be described in Duos' filings with the SEC. Thank you for joining us today for Duos Technologies Group Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. You may now disconnect.