Smriti Popenoe
Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is open.
Absolutely. Yes, thank you. Thank you for the question. So, overall, I'll just give you the broad comments and I can ask T.J. to cover the detail. But really at this point, right, we're looking at a Fed that is decidedly less restrictive and that's just sort of a psychological fact of the Fed, right? And then once you've got the best restrictive Fed, the markets have done an incredible job of either pricing in, you know, anywhere from six to eight cuts, and now we're back to sort of like, you know, four to six cuts. That's been the general direction in which the markets have been going. So you're looking at a terminal Fed funds rate somewhere between 3% and 4%, all right? And so our portfolio and the way we've thought about the world coming up has been in the context of 3% to 4% terminal funds rate. And then as you know, right, like we look at this and say, okay, perhaps it's 3% to 4% and then we're preparing for any sort of exogenous shocks outside of that range. So that's generally the premise under which we construct, you know, our view on rates going forward. And then the second piece of that is with rates, you know, if the terminal rates between 3% and 4%, where does the mortgage rate end up, right? And that we see somewhere between, call it 5% and 7%. That gives you a sense of sort of the opportunity to earn, carry, if you will, in that environment. It gives you a sense of prepayment risk that you're going to suffer in that environment. And let's just be honest here, like a lot of the mortgage market is priced well below 5%, right? So the amount of prepayment risk is actually quite limited to just the newly produced mortgages that have been out there in the last two years. So that actually creates a different set of opportunity in and itself. And then if you look at our comments, right, like we are basically not saying rates are going to be at this level or rates are going to be at that level. We focus a fair amount on the shape of the yield curve. And I would say even within that construct, we're actually focused on how less inverted the curve is versus how steep it is per se, right? So if you go back and look in the last three quarters, the amount of disinversion that has happened in the yield curve is massive. And then the second piece that we've been looking at very actively, and you'll see this in terms of how we've restructured our futures versus swaps, is when the market is offering forward financing costs at attractive levels, we are locking those in, right? So those are some ways tactically we've been thinking about the level of rates as well. T.J., if there's anything you want to add on that?