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Edap Tms S.a. (EDAP)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 24, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the EDAP TMS Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Fraunces, Managing Director of LifeSci Advisors. Thank you. Please go ahead.

John Fraunces

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for joining us for the EDAP TMS second quarter 2023 financial and operating results conference call. Joining me on today's call are Ryan Rhodes, Chief Executive Officer; Francois Dietsch, Chief Financial Officer; and Ken Mobeck, Chief Financial Officer of the U.S. Subsidiary. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that management's remarks today may contain forward-looking statements, which include statements regarding the company's growth and expansion plans. Such statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such forward-looking statements. Factors that may cause such a difference include, but are not limited to, those described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I would now like to turn the call over to EDAP's Chief Executive Officer, Ryan Rhodes. Ryan?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I will start today's call by providing highlights from the second quarter of 2023 and then turn the call over to Ken Mobeck, our U.S. CFO, who will then present the corresponding details of financial performance. I'm pleased to report that we achieved record second quarter and first half revenues, reflecting strong underlying demand for Focal One high food technology. Second quarter revenue of €14.3 million was predominantly driven by new U.S. capital placements at leading academic and community hospitals as well as from increased procedure volumes leading to higher disposable sales. We are very encouraged by the higher utilization trends of Focal One HIFU amongst our existing customers, which helped EDAP generate strong year-over-year HIFU revenue growth of 63.6% for the quarter. There are several factors contributing to increased adoption. As a reminder, Focal One Robotic HIFU is a noninvasive outpatient procedure that demonstrates excellent oncologic control with minimal patient downtime and does not require use of surgery or radiation. Focal One continues to demonstrate strong clinical outcomes and favorable economics that are driving both growth and adoption. In fact, Focal One is now a leading and prominent focal therapy in 6 out of the 10 best hospitals for urology according to a recent U.S. News and World report. Focal One HIFU is also becoming one of the fastest-growing treatments within the category of prostate cancer management. Strong Focal One Robotic HIFU capital sales continued to lead our top line performance with sales of four Focal One units in the U.S., including the first system placements in the states of both Kansas and West Virginia. While we continue to see adoption at leading academic and regional cancer centers, we are also proud to announce the recent sale of Focal One to Memorial…

Ken Mobeck

Analyst

Thank you, Ryan, and good morning, everyone. Please note that all figures, except for percentages, are in euros. For conversion purposes, our average euro-dollar exchange rate was 1.0871 for the second quarter of 2023. Total revenue for the second quarter of 2023 was €14.3 million, an increase of almost 1% as compared to total revenue of €14.2 million for the same period in 2022 and a record level for a second quarter. Looking at revenue by division. Total revenue in the HIFU business for the second quarter was €4.9 million as compared to €3 million for the second quarter of 2022, a 63.6% increase year-over-year. As referenced, the increase was driven by selling four Focal One units in the second quarter of 2023 versus one unit sold in the second quarter of 2022. Total revenue in the LITHO business for the second quarter was €2.2 million as compared to €3.6 million for the second quarter of 2022. The year-over-year decline in LITHO revenue was mainly attributed to six less units sold year-over-year as well as supply chain constraints with a few key suppliers during the quarter. Total revenue in the distribution business for the second quarter was €7.2 million as compared to €7.6 million for the second quarter of 2022. The decline in distribution revenue was primarily driven by nine ExactVu units sold during the second quarter of 2023, as compared to 15 units sold during the second quarter of 2022. Gross profit for the second quarter was €5.7 million compared to €6.2 million for the year ago period. Gross profit margin on net sales was 39.6% in the second quarter compared to 43.8% in the year ago period. The decrease in gross profit margin year-over-year was primarily due to distribution product mix, Global inflationary price pressure on components with…

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Thank you, Ken. In summary, our second quarter results continue to reinforce our confidence in the growing demand for Focal One. As well as validating our strategy and execution to drive education and adoption. Sales and unit placements of Focal One are growing along with increased Focal One HIFU procedures. In closing, we remain optimistic about the remainder of 2023. And I would like to thank the entire EDAP team for their dedication and hard work that is driving increased awareness amongst clinicians and patients of Focal One HIFU as an important and growing treatment option for prostate cancer management. We look forward to sharing our progress with you again in the fall. And I will now turn it back over to the operator for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question today is coming from Michael Sarcone of Jefferies.

Michael Sarcone

Analyst

So first one is just on the four Focal One system sales in the U.S. I guess, can you just talk more about the sales funnel and how demand is shaping up there? And maybe how you think the trajectory of the system placements might shake out through the remainder of the year?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes. So we continue to see our active pipeline growing. As noted, we have added additional head count. We're building a broader coverage model. And again, our pipeline continues to grow. We have a number of projects in play, and we expect to have notable sales in both Q3 and Q4. So we would say openly, the back half of the year should be a stronger portion of the year. So currently, again, we've got our team active. We have some deals in process, and we're excited to close out both Q3 and Q4.

Michael Sarcone

Analyst

Great. Maybe just a follow-up on that. So if you had about 11 system placements in 1H, just based on your commentary, that means we could see above that for 2H?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Definitely, I would say above that, for sure. And again, we continue to grow the commercial structure. And with that, we broadened the number of hospitals, as I would say, in our active pipeline.

Michael Sarcone

Analyst

That's really helpful. And then just last one for me. 85% procedure growth in the U.S. seems pretty strong. Can you just give a little more color on what you're seeing in terms of the utilization environment, even if it's trends in procedures per system? And thenm is there any way you can quantify or ballpark the number of procedures you're seeing either quarterly or annualized in the U.S.?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes, Michael, we don't give out our actual procedure numbers. What I would say is we continue to see increased utilization, both in our installed base customers and even new customers that are just acquiring the technology. We track metrics to include time to first case, time for case 1 to case 10 and beyond. So I think we're seeing the impact our clinical sales team is making, but we're also seeing the consumer that is patients looking for other options beyond just surgery and radiation. And again, I think in our message, we have a noninvasive treatment option for men diagnosed with prostate cancer. So we continue to create more market awareness, and I think that also will breathe additional momentum into our story.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Frank Takkinen of Lake Street Capital Markets.

Frank Takkinen

Analyst

I wanted to follow up just one more question on placement expectations in the second half of the year. Ryan, I was hoping you could comment on regular seasonality trends. I know I asked about this last call, but I was looking for just an update if you expect that Q3 being a summer months OUS seasonality more pronounced and sometimes U.S. seasonality more pronounced as well, with the majority of those greater than 11 implants in the fourth quarter as an expectation?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes, Frank, we don't see, at least as we're going through the quarter, the seasonality we would typically experience in, say, a summer slowdown. We don't see that. I think we see the momentum building. And as mentioned earlier, again, our pipeline continues to develop and grow. We've got our team head down and focused, and I would expect a stronger second half of the year. And again -- so I don't see the slower Q3 that may be common for other companies or other technologies. I think we have that momentum as we walk into the back half of the year. So I think that's where we stand.

Frank Takkinen

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then on the procedure side. I know one thing you've spoken about in the past is related to the disposable ASP with the renewed reimbursement at the beginning of this year and maybe having a little bit of flexibility to increase that ASP or slowly increase that ASP over a number of years. Can you maybe update us on that dynamic and whether or not you still think there's more room to go on the ASP related disposables?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

So great question. I would say, yes, there is an opportunity. And I would say, historically, since I've been in the company, the ASP on procedures has gone up. We continue to look at it closely. We work very closely with our legacy customers, and we've had some price increases, notably with certain accounts. And continue to see that average -- call it, average sales price per procedure going up. Now again, we pay close attention to that. And we monitor, and that also plays true for the new accounts that acquire our technology. So I'd say we would say there's room to grow for sure. And again, I think we enjoy some additional advantages from the reimbursement that's in place.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Jason Bednar of Piper Sandler.

Jason Bednar

Analyst

I wanted to follow up just really on the Focal One placements. And sorry to ask another one here, but I wanted to check to see just how or whether the rate environment and the broader macro dynamics out there are just influencing the attitude of hospitals, both on the large academic side and the community centers. Are your prospects moving forward at the same pace as what you've seen historically? I may know the answer just based on how you responded to Frank's question just there regarding business strength here in the third quarter. But I just wanted to check to see if that's a dynamic at all that's influencing conversations you're having and whether business actually might even be stronger than what you're seeing in the third quarter, if not for some of the macro factors?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes. I don't -- we don't see -- we don't really see any headwinds related to that. I know with interest rates going in the direction they're going. We have not seen the impact on that. It's -- we are in a category of disruptive capital equipment. However, we're also in the category of strategic capital. So again, hospitals, as you know, routinely buy capital equipment. But again, adding Focal One and adding Focal therapy or in our case, Robotic Focal HIFU, we see it as a strategic initiative, and we work very closely with our hospital customers as we move through that buying process. So again, I don't put us in the category of operational capital. We are strategic capital. And again, you can back it up in the state of, hey, it's clinically necessary to offer something today, we believe, in focal therapy it's also strategic for a hospital, and it can bring strong economic reward. So we have that in our narrative.

Ken Mobeck

Analyst

Yes. Jason, the only other thing I'd add regarding your question is we have seen in the hospital environment and the purchase environment taking time in improving their purchases, okay? We had a few systems get stuck in the buying process in Q2. We see going through in Q3. So if anything, they're just taking a really good look at these purchases before they buy them.

Jason Bednar

Analyst

Okay. So maybe just a longer sales cycle, but not actually influencing the yes or no decision?

Ken Mobeck

Analyst

Exactly.

Jason Bednar

Analyst

Perfect. Okay. That's very helpful. I also wanted to ask Ken on the gross margins. They're a little bit below what we were looking for. I know you called out some of the factors that were influencing some of that softness. But maybe if you could just add any more color on the distribution side. That was probably the bigger miss in our model. But then any other directional guidance you can give? I know you don't offer formal guidance, but any color on how to think about whether it's segment or company-wide gross margins going forward? And whether we're at a trough here or if we need to contemplate additional services, that's investments that may still then weigh on those gross margins going forward?

Ken Mobeck

Analyst

Yes. So good question, Jason. The one big thing was our distribution mix this quarter. So I look at that as kind of timing related. We're always going to continue to make investments to grow the company forward. Our operating expenses are -- continue to grow but we're monitoring them closely, right? We really need to invest in areas that's really going to drive the sales funnel. As well as on the COGS line, we've got a build to support to get the tools installed and serviced as well. We did see a little bit of inflationary price pressures that we're going to -- that we're monitoring. Obviously, we're looking at solutions to that. And then just going forward, I do see when the mix gets stronger, as Ryan noted, we do expect Focal One to pick up here in the second half. And then as we noted earlier in the year, too, we increased our prices as well, our list prices for Focal One. So I do see margins picking back up versus where they ended up in Q2.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Swayampakula Ramakanth of H.C. Wainwright.

Swayampakula Ramakanth

Analyst

This is RK from H.C. Wainwright. With increasing volume growth, as you stated, about 85% year-over-year and 29-odd some percent quarter-over-quarter, when would we -- when would you expect this to be reflected in your consumables revenue growth? Just trying to get an idea in terms of the cadence of that revenue flow?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes, RK. First thing, again, we build programs. So when the system is placed, there's a train event for the team. We call it an onboarding process. And so that can take some time. It really depends on each hospital. They are individual, but we do everything to shorten that time line. So I think when we'll see more of a notable impact over time is certainly as we place more systems, but also as systems get used to using the technology and have clinical use and patients treated clinically and successfully. I think just organically, you're going to see an increase in same-store sales. And we have a dedicated team, both a clinical sales team and applications team that work very closely with our customers. So I think as you look outward, it takes a while. But notably, based on percentage increase, we see an increase of procedures and that is both in our legacy accounts as well as we are placing more systems. So I think over time, that will be something to look closer at. And, again, we are very focused on our procedures as noted, and we continue to resource that team accordingly.

Swayampakula Ramakanth

Analyst

I'm just trying to get an additional color on the sales cycle timing. With reimbursement in place, and you stated in an answer to the previous question that the sales cycle is becoming a little bit longer because we're trying to take a closer look. Any additional color why that is? So is that more on the financing side of things? Or -- I'm just trying to understand what is making that sales cycle longer? Is it more administrative stuff, anything at all?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes. It'd be fair to say today, hospitals that are looking at making investments in new innovative capital equipment, they typically go through their own pro forma analysis. So those pro forma analyses vary by institution. And some institutions move faster than others, some may slow down. They just want to do their due diligence. And again, we're adding in many cases, it's a new revenue-enhancing service line. And with that said, they just want to look at the numbers and run some calculations. As we have said in the past, we have favorable economics. And typically, when we go through that process, it leads ultimately to a sale. So again, I think it varies by institution and as Ken had referenced. And it's not for every hospital. I think some will always move faster than others. But we're accustomed to going through that process, and we pay a lot of attention to it. If it slows down, where we're active with our customers kind of working shoulder to shoulder to make sure we answer any questions they have or we can help them fully appreciate and understand the financial return from their investment.

Swayampakula Ramakanth

Analyst

And then on the Swiss reimbursement. With that in place, how long do you think it could take for it to reflect on your sales? And how big is the Swiss market or Swiss or associated countries along with Swiss?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

So as noted, we -- first off, Switzerland is a country with essentially 3 languages, right? You have the German side, Zurich and the cantons, the French side and then you even have an area of Italian influence. And so I think back to the reimbursement, we've been active in Switzerland over the years. As mentioned, we have a very prominent program at the University of Zurich with Professor [Daniel Eberle]. And we have had some -- we have other systems placed in the Geneva market, et cetera. So to really say how big the market is, I mean, there's a handful of hospitals that are well known and prominent and some of those we're actively working with. I can't give you a hard number, but I would say this, our sales teams are active in the market. We know our customer base, both the legacy base, and our target customers, and we're resourced well to go after that business. And I'm excited. I think this is notable in a country that is small, Switzerland is not a big country, but a country that is -- that has influence in Europe.

Swayampakula Ramakanth

Analyst

Last question for me. On the LITHO business, you stated there was some supply chain issues. Is that pretty much limited to the LITHO business? Or can it bleed into other divisions as well? And how -- how long do you think the supply chain issue would last within the LITHO business?

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

Yes. So the supply chain is -- and it's not so much related to us, it's the componentry that they would bring together or purchase alongside of our proprietary lithotripsy technologies. So I don't think it's a long-term thing. In fact, we -- those sales are just delayed until they have the ability to purchase the other components that work alongside our lithotripsy technology. So -- and I don't see really any spillover into any other areas of our business today, as stated today. So again, I think it just -- we had some sales that were ready, but they need to get the additional components added as noted. And we don't see any impact in our other distribution business at this point.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I'd like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Rhodes for closing comments.

Ryan Rhodes

Analyst

I want to thank all who participated in today's call. As a reminder, we will be presenting in New York at both the Morgan Stanley and H.C. Wainwright investment conferences in September. In November, we plan to participate in the Jefferies Global Healthcare Conference in London. And we look forward to speaking to all of you again in November on our third quarter earnings. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect your lines or log off the webcast at this time, and enjoy the rest of your day.