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Editas Medicine, Inc. (EDIT)

Q1 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, May 8, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Editas Medicine First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that this call is being recorded at the company's request. I would now like to turn the call over to Cristi Barnett, Corporate Communications and Investor Relations at Editas Medicine.

Cristi Barnett

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2024 conference call. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release providing our financial results and recent corporate updates. A replay of today's call will be available in the Investors section of our website approximately 2 hours after its completion. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q&A. As a reminder, various remarks that we make during this call about the company's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, which is on file with the SEC as updated by our subsequent filings. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. Except as required by law, we specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements even if our views change. Now I will turn the call over to our CEO, Gilmore O'Neill. Gilmore O’Neill: Thanks, Cristi, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today on Editas' First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. With me today are 4 members of the Editas executive team, our Chief Medical Officer, Baisong Mei; our Chief Scientific Officer, Linda Burkly; our Chief Financial Officer, Erick Lucera, and our Chief Commercial and Strategy Officer, Caren Deardorf. We are pleased with Editas' momentum and progress in the first quarter of 2024. Editas' goal is to deliver life-changing medicines to patients with previously untreatable or undertreated genetically determined diseases. And…

Baisong Mei

Analyst

Thank you, Gilmore. Good morning, everyone. Let's talk about reni-cel, which is on the clinical development for severe sickle cell disease and transfusion-dependent beta thalassemia. As Gilmore shared, we are pleased that we have completed enrollment in the adult cohort of the Phase I/II/III RUBY trial and the dosing continues. In the adolescent cohort of the RUBY study, we have enrolled in multiple patients and the several more patients in screening. The interest and demand are high. I'm very pleased about how quickly we have moved in screening and enrollment of liability cohort. I'd like to thank colleagues and editors and our clinical trial partners for the collaboration and hard work. And more importantly, I would like to thank patients, their families, investigators and the study site stock for their trust and support. In the EdiTHAL trial for transfusion-dependent beta-thalassemia, we continue to move forward with enrollment and dosing. We look forward to sharing clinical data in the middle of this year and also at the year-end. As I have shared, I visited and continue to bid our RUBY and EdiTHAL clinical trial sites and speak with the investigators. I appreciate enthusiasm and support from investigators and study size. I'm pleased with the momentum of reni-cel patient recruitment, [indiscernible] and dosing in both studies. I'm excited to hear from the investigators that patients dose to reni-cel, have already seen positive changes in their lives. As we shared on our February earnings call, we aligned with the FDA that RUBY clinical trial is now considered a Phase I/II/III trial for BLA filing. We also have alignment with the FDA on the study design, end points and sample size. We look forward to future discussions with FDA and continued the collaboration. Turning to clinical data. As Gilmore mentioned, we are on track…

Linda Burkly

Analyst

Thanks, Baisong, and good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be talking to you this morning to share more details about our in vivo strategy and our progress towards building an in vivo pipeline. I would like to take a moment to remind you why we believe in vivo medicines will be a disruptive transformative development in medical history with the potential to address genetically determined diseases with durable and curative outcomes for patients. First, in vivo medicines may reduce the administration burden of delivering editing medicines to patients in need, which will provide the broader access to patients all around the world. Second, off-the-shelf administration may allow for scalable manufacturing and lower cost to produce. Based on these 2 principles, we believe that in vivo gene editing will provide accessible cures for genetic diseases and, therefore, may be the most disruptive development in medical history. So how will Editas position itself? There are many monogenic diseases that can potentially be cured with a gene editing approach. We have said that we will at first target the development of treatments that are clearly differentiated from current standard of care and that will leverage the aspects of CRISPR editing that give it a unique advantage over other therapeutic modalities. Our internal development efforts are differentiated by leveraging the indel CRISPR technology we use to upregulate gamma globin expression through direct editing of the HPG 1, 2 promoter site in our ex vivo reni-cel program. Our in vivo approach is aimed at functional upregulation of gene expression in genetic diseases in rare and orphan patient populations from which we intend to expand to more common diseases. I am also pleased to share several progress updates as we advance our in vivo capabilities towards our long-term vision of being a leader in in vivo…

Erick Lucera

Analyst

Thank you, Linda, and good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be speaking to you, and I'm excited to provide updates on our business development achievements, intellectual property and financial results for the first quarter of 2024. First, in regard to business development, as Gilmore mentioned, in March, we announced a 2-year extension to the collaboration with Bristol-Myers Squibb to research, develop and commercialize autologous and allogeneic alpha-beta T cell medicines for the treatment of cancer and autoimmune diseases. We also have options to extend the collaboration for an additional 2 years. To date, Bristol-Myers Squibb has opted into 13 different programs across 11 gene targets to date. 2 programs are currently in IND-enabling studies and 4 programs are in late-stage discovery. As a reminder, for each new experimental medicine the Bristol-Myers Squibb develops and commercializes using opted into genome editing tools, Bristol-Myers Squibb will pay Editas Medicine potential future milestone payments. Following the approval of any products resulting from the collaboration, Editas Medicine is also eligible to receive tiered royalties on net sales. We are pleased that our Bristol-Myers collaboration has proved to be a productive partnership and we are committed to future collaborations and partnerships that will allow for the continued access and advancement of gene editing. And in IP, as Gilmore mentioned, yesterday, the oral arguments were held before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit regarding the CVC's appeal of the PTAB's decision involving patents for CRISPR/Cas9 editing in human cells. As you know, the Broad Institute has previously prevailed 3 times against the CVC, twice with the PTAB and once at the Federal Circuit. The Federal Circuit's review will determine whether the PTAB correctly applied the law. It is important to remember that court will not hear new evidence. An appellate court decision in…

Operator

Operator

We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Samantha Semenkow from Citi.

Samantha Lynn Semenkow

Analyst

I'm wondering about your in vivo pipeline and the proof of concept that you're expecting by the end of this year. What would be the bar for success that you're looking for in this program? Gilmore O’Neill: Thanks very much, Samantha. I'm going to ask Linda to address that.

Linda Burkly

Analyst

We are looking for proof of concept for high efficiency delivery and editing for our targeted interest in vivo in this preclinical POC that will give us confidence in our ability to target the target of interest. We are going to be sharing more information on this at a future date. Thank you for the question.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joon Lee from Truist Securities.

Joon Lee

Analyst

Congrats on the progress. An interesting update on your disclosure is the plan to identify large serine recombinases, which implies sort of a new approach to many of your -- that many of your peers are also developing some [indiscernible]. Does the size of the recombinases, mediated insertion allow for inserting a coding sequence for dystrophin, for example, and are you able to comment on whether DMD is out of the question regarding your in vivo aspirations? Gilmore O’Neill: Thanks very much, Joon. I'm going to have Linda to take that.

Linda Burkly

Analyst

We're excited about the LSR technology that we're disclosing here. We are identifying many different novel LSRs. We're not disclosing at the moment, the size of the integrations that can be accommodated by the large serine recombinases but we have quite a few novel LSRs that we have identified and we further charactering them.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mary Kate Davis from Bank of America.

Mary Davis

Analyst

Looking at the reni-cell program here, how are you guys looking at the midyear any sell update compared to the year-end update here. As follow-up time progresses, what should we look for from treated patients in terms of safety and efficacy moving forward. Gilmore O’Neill: Baisong is going to take that one.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

So in this middle year release, we expect to have at least 18 patient data for RUBY study. And within the 18 patients and 4 of them will have 12 longer, 12 to 21 months of exposure, and 7 will have 5 months to 12-month exposure and another 7 with 2 to 5 months exposure. With that, we feel this data is very meaningful to see the direction not only the increase of total hemoglobin normalization of total hemoglobin and increase of fetal hemoglobin, but also the durability of the study and the impact from an efficacy perspective, for example, severe vaso-occlusive events. For the EdiTHAL study, we will have patients from at least 7 of those patients with 4 to 12 months of exposure, which also will be very meaningful. That is compared to the December release we have 11 RUBY patient and 6 EdiTHAL patients. So that substantial more data will help us to understand group in better.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jack Allen from Baird.

Jack Allen

Analyst

Congratulations to the team on the progress. I'm going to stay with the reni-cel program. I was hoping you can provide some color on dosing of the pivotal cohort. I know you've commented on the adult cohort being fully enrolled, but have all those patients received therapy and any other comments you can provide as it relates to the size of the cohort that you've agreed to with regulators would be very helpful. Gilmore O’Neill: Thanks very much, Jack. I'll answer the first part and then pass it to Baisong, to provide, maybe give a little more color to regulatory interactions. We have obviously completed the adult enrollment, which we're actually very excited about, not least because that is in the context of 2 approved therapies. So it really is a very concrete reflection of the enthusiasm that Baisong has found and described, indeed increasing enthusiasm about our program with his visits to sites and conversations with investigators, health care providers and indeed with patient advocacy groups. We have scheduled many of those patients already for dosing, and we'll give you further updates on the progress of dosing at a later date. And with regard to the regulatory color, I think, Baisong, you might want to maybe just share a little more there.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

Yes. For regulatory, as we shared that we have alignment with the FDA that the RUBY study is a Phase I/II/III study for BLA filing. And we also have alignment on the sample size, duration and study design of that. So we continue to have collaboration with FDA on the further discussion about this program.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gena Wang from Barclays.

Huidong Wang

Analyst

If I may, very quick 2 questions. First, should we read into your ASGCT presentation for in vivo indication such as glaucoma? And second, I know you mentioned also a little bit. But when we look at the current approved genomic therapy for sickle cell, we still have a 10% patient relapsed with VOE events. What do you think is the key factors that we should look into for the potentially differentiated durability with hopefully 100% controlling. Gilmore O’Neill: I'm going to ask Linda to handle the first part of your question, around the ASGCT and then Baisong can talk about durability, what we're seeing today.

Linda Burkly

Analyst

Primary open-angle glaucoma is obviously an area of very high unmet need. And while we conducted those studies because of that, we are not currently pursuing that indication, but we were able through those studies to really demonstrate intensive preclinical POC and showcase our in vivo capabilities with respect to 3 components: our ability to deliver lipid nanoparticles in vivo with our gene editing cargo, our proven capability of our proprietary enzyme, AsCas12a to edit in vivo and our guide modifications to enhance a gene editing potency. So these capabilities really position us well for delivering in vivo gene editing medicines and we're really pleased with the ASGCT disclosures.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

I will take up on the question about the VOE relapse for sickle cell patients. First, I would say, I want to congratulate the entire field for the effort of treating sickle cell disease, including the recent approval of the 2 molecules. And so I think what we see is that with the continued effort of all of us, we will continue to improve and transform the treatment for sickle cell disease patients. With reni-cel, and we are still continuing to collect the clinical data. As I mentioned, we expect this is a different -- not only competitive but differentiated molecule and with the normalization of the total hemoglobin correction of anemia. So we're looking forward to see our own data on the VOE as we reported so far, we have seen all those patients dosed with reni-cel is free of VOE event.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mani Foroohar from Leerink Partners.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

This is CJ on for Mani. Ours is following the agreement with Vertex last year, just how are you thinking about future IP monetization opportunities? Gilmore O’Neill: I'm going to ask Erick to address that question.

Erick Lucera

Analyst

Obviously, as we said in the transcript, we view the future potential royalty monetization and licensing activities as an integral and very important source of nondilutive capital. As you know, these are foundational IP patents in which are applied to just about everybody's projects in Cas9, Cas12. And we expect to have conversations with those folks as soon as we can.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Cheng from JPMorgan.

Lut Ming Cheng

Analyst

Can you just remind us what's your latest thinking around the timing of holding discussion with regulators on sickle cell, and just given the data that you're going to present midyear, any updates and color on the timing of holding a productive conversation with regulators would be appreciated. Gilmore O’Neill: I'm going to ask Baisong to talk about that sort of I think your 2 questions really, which is about what the data are in the middle of the year and how they integrate with our discussions with regulators.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

Yes. So Brian, as I mentioned, we are very pleased with the data we're going to release in the middle of the year and which is substantive and also give us good direction how much we will get and to have, for example, a data set to have equivalent to the [indiscernible] BLA filing, for example, right? So that's one part of that. We're very happy to see the amount of data and the patient outcome from the data. And then the other thing is about the regulatory engagement. As I mentioned, we already have a line of this Phase III study to support the VOE and then we have continued engagement with FDA. We have not disclosed all the details of the interaction yet. But as a reminder, we have unmet designation and which allow us to have frequent interaction with agency, but also with a high-level interaction with agency. And this, of course, help give us opportunity for potential priority review and rolling submission. So we're very excited on the direction. We'll continue to have engagement and collaboration with FDA.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Schmidt from Cantor Fitzgerald.

Eric Schmidt

Analyst

Congrats on the progress. Are you able to give the approximate number of patients who are enrolled in the RUBY trial with sickle cell disease? And then it sounds like you've been able to make pretty good progress in enrollment in that study despite the availability of commercial cell therapies. I was just wondering if at centers that have both experimental and commercial cell therapy available, maybe Baisong could talk a little bit about what's driving the decision to use the Editas product over others. Gilmore O’Neill: Baisong can update you on where our clinicaltrials.gov set us a target for the cohort in our trial and then obviously, build on his perceptions of why we're doing so well with enrollment even in the context of commercial therapies being available.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

We are very pleased with the momentum by the enrollment in both the EdiTHAL cohort and the adolescent cohort. And for the EdiTHAL cohort, we shared that in February with those, we enrolled 40 patients, now we entrolled slightly more than 40 patients. And therefore, we closed the adult cohort enrollment. And for adolescent cohort, we started at the beginning of this year. We already enrolled multiple patients and have modification experience. We're very pleased with that. Then as I mentioned, I'm on the road all the time to visit our investigators and the study size. And then they really feel that one is actually there, I believe the reni-cel based on the MOA, based on the data we have continued to share on that. I also give credit the entire field been working on that with the 2 gene therapy approved for sickle cell is also increased interest in the direction of the gene therapy for sickle cell disease. So that's how we see over the last year or so, we see really great momentum that for reni-cel enrollment, especially after we release our data.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jay Olson from Oppenheimer Company.

Jay Olson

Analyst

Congrats on all the progress. Can you talk about the timing of the collaboration extension with Bristol? Was there some new data that triggered the new collaboration? And is there any color on what new data Bristol may have seen? And then separately, can you talk about any work that you've done on developing a milder conditioning agent? Gilmore O’Neill: Well, what I want to do is ask Erick to address the question about the BMS. What I do want to say I can address the conditioning, which is that just at our last earnings. We talked that we are going to continue monitoring the space. We have significant context of the academic and nonacademic worlds around the field. But we have actually really deployed our efforts and our resources internally to focusing on our in vivo pipeline, including developing hematopoietic stem cells. The rationale for that being that we see that where a milder conditioning therapy is actually approved. It would be used universally and adopted universally in transplant centers across multiple indications, including stem cell transplantation hemoglobinopathies. And with that, I'm just going to pass to Erick just to talk about the BMS deal.

Erick Lucera

Analyst

With respect to the timing of the renegotiation of the extension, obviously, we put out a press release in the very recent past a week or 2 ago, something like that and that would give you an update on the timing. I'd say with respect to the data, Bristol-Myers, as you know, recently completed a portfolio review, and we are pleased to see that all of the projects that we're working on them are continuing to move forward. I think it -- we would leave discussion of specific programs to them to talk about anything that they're seeing in those programs. I would highlight the fact that at their most recent R&D Day last September, which I think was the first one they've done in several years, they did mention 6 products on their pipeline chart, which we're using our technology. So I would refer you to their R&D disclosures from that meeting to get an update on the work that they're doing with us. But we are very excited about working with them. This has been a partnership that has survived several mergers and several portfolio reviews. So we're very excited about what we're seeing.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Philip Nadeau from TD Cowen.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

This is Alex on for Phil. So given the association between total hemoglobin levels and organ function, do you plan to utilize any quantitative endpoints basically assessing and organ function in the RUBY trial? And if so, what might those look like? And when could we maybe expect initial data? Gilmore O’Neill: I'm going to ask Baisong to address that question.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

We certainly have measurements for the end organ function. We look into the several major organ system to monitor the function improvement. For example, we monitor the liver function, not only with these different lab values. We're looking to pulmonary function to check the respiratory system. And we also have cardio echo and other measures you're talking to measure the cardiovascular system on that too. So we are looking forward to see more data on that and give us more understanding of the end organ function may behave after the treatment. Just a reminder that we also, of course, look into the not only sickle cell but also other areas in terms of the anemia, how that impact function and how that correction of anemia may be able to improve that function of the treatment. And in sickle cell specifically, over the last couple of years, you already see more publications about end organ function given after the allogeneic transplant to treating sickle cell patients, we are very excited on that. But just to be very honest to ourselves, right, this field is still fairly new, and we see some really good publication and direction in this, and we're looking forward to our own study as well as the literature on this field.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Yanan Zhu from Wells Fargo.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

So first on the differentiation of total hemoglobin normalization. I was wondering have you had feedback from sickle cell treaters on that differentiation and whether there's any hesitancy or push back that perhaps the current level of hemoglobin achieved by the marketed product is sufficient. How much of that kind of thinking out there. And on the in vivo side, I was wondering, are you focused on first-in-class targets or perhaps not first-in-class targets, but hoping to have a differentiation on specificity and transduction efficiency, et cetera. Gilmore O’Neill: So I'm going to ask Baisong to talk about the differentiation of total hemoglobin, and then I'll ask Linda just to talk about our approach to first-in-class or clear differentiation and where we would see that with our approach to function of regulation.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

I mean, certainly, we talked about the investigators as well as the KOLs and sickle-cell treaters for our differentiation and how we may be able to see and with the position of this molecule. And when we're talking to those hematologists and sickle cell treated that see our data. And when hematology just mentioned that it is better if you have a 16-gram per deciliter versus 10 gram per deciliter of total hemoglobin. And then they also -- I mentioned the enthusiasm of our study, and they are quite a few knowledgeable hematologists they see the difference among several molecules. And when the investigators said that he was waiting for our trial and did not participate other. So those are the anecdotal examples on that. As I mentioned earlier, we certainly want to look forward to see the clinical data. Gilmore O’Neill: It's also worth highlighting, of course, that the FDA has recognized that 1 gram per deciliter difference is meaningful or certainly likely to predict a clinically meaningful benefit in that they use that threshold to give an accelerated approval to proprietor in the past.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

Yes. Talking about that, this is also when we communicate with FDA, this is also a point we have been in discussion with FDA too. Gilmore O’Neill: Thanks very much Baisong and Linda, who are already in vivo and where our focus is.

Linda Burkly

Analyst

Yes. In vivo, our in vivo approach is aimed at functional upregulation of gene expression in genetically determined diseases and this strategy positions us very well to be differentiated from others in terms of our targets and our target editing strategies. And what this means is that we can go after targets that others can't go after. And so from an indication perspective, we can go after indications that perhaps others can't go after, and so we could have a first-in-class strategy. Also within a given indication, we could devise a targeting strategy that would be best in class, if you will. So we can have first-in-class strategies as well as best-in-class opportunities. I hope that answers your question.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Luca Issi from RBC Capital.

Luca Issi

Analyst

Well, great, congrats on all the progress. Maybe just a quick one on reni-cel and the filing strategy. What's the vision here for the BLA. Are you planning to file adults and adolescents concurrently or sequentially. Any color there, much appreciated. And then maybe quickly on the Middle East. Can you just talk about the opportunity for sickle cell disease in the Middle East? Vertex seems really, really excited about that market. So wondering what's your strategy there to potentially tap that market -- are you still focused on partnership? Can you potentially access that distributor? Again, any thoughts there much appreciate. Gilmore O’Neill: So I'll ask Baisong just talk about our regulatory strategy as far as we have shared it. And then Caren can talk about just how we're looking at and thinking about the Middle East and frankly, in the context of the rest of world.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

We are very pleased with the interaction with the agency and continued interaction with agency about the reni-cel for the RUBY study as a Phase III study to support BLA and all the front of the Phase III study, we have alignment on that, and we have a continued conversation with FDA on this route. We have not shared the specifics about the date of the BLA or the indication of adult or alone or adolescent. But as we shared, we are very pleased with the enrollment for both EdiTHAL cohort as well as adolescent cohort. So that gives us a great position for this molecule.

Linda Burkly

Analyst

Thanks for the question about Middle East and certainly just the populations outside the United States. And there's absolutely a number of geographies where there is a significant population of sickle cell patients and really high unmet need beta thalassemia as well. What I'd say is our continued drive to execute in the U.S. and to move reni-cel forward with differentiation, just continues to support the opportunity for us to partner at the appropriate time, and that's certainly something that we've said we are open to and we'll certainly provide more color in the future as appropriate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Seedhouse from Raymond James.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

This is Nick on for Steve. We actually had a longer-term question. To what extent can you leverage the infrastructure that Vertex is already building out for Casgevy?And will EDIT-301 be able to plug into the existing authorized treatment centers once launched? Gilmore O’Neill: I'm going to ask Caren to address that.

Caren Deardorf

Analyst

First, we'd say I'd say that I'm really pleased to see some of the initial progress for the other therapies and being able to get patients started. We always anticipated that it would be a dipping many centers starting to dip their toe as they build the infrastructure and they gain the confidence, so to answer your question, absolutely. We've always said that in this kind of market of the complexity of the ex vivo being a fast follower is absolutely an advantage. We also, on our own, have a really strong base of over 20 clinical sites in the U.S. with very strong enrollment, and relationships that we're leveraging and those relationships and the guidance they're giving us will be really pivotal for us as well. But this is a field that will benefit from the increase in education with patients which Baisong mentioned also helps with our enrollment and just building the infrastructure, but we are engaged on the KOL, the patient advocacy as well as on the payer front to ensure that we're prepared. So thanks for the question.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jack Allen from Baird.

Jack Allen

Analyst

Quick followup here. I just wanted to look on reni-cel one more time and ask when we might hear a little bit more about the differentiation as it relates to the treatment process. Have you provided any color on the number of apheresis cycles and how editing efficiency of the AsCas12a and may allow you to be more efficient in manufacturing the process? Gilmore O’Neill: So I'm going to ask Baisong to put color.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

We have not shared specifics about the number of cycle in apheresis. When I mentioned before was -- since I joined, we actually worked together with our internal as well as apheresis external. We actually have critical management to improve the apheresis cycle and also provide assistance to study side to -- for the press cycle, which is significant because it's reduced the patient burden is a smooth manufacturing process. We are very pleased to see the progress in that front. And just to add on that, we are hoping this clinical experience will be very much helpful for our commercial [indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mani Foroohar from Leerink Partners.

Mani Foroohar

Analyst

Kind of similar to the last question, you previously talked about optimizing the vein to vein process. Would you be able to walk us through how hence could provide advantages from either both operational logistics perspective? Gilmore O’Neill: I'll ask Baisong to address that.

Baisong Mei

Analyst

Yes, happy to -- we are over this process really working together that to get the steady size to optimize this process and that coming from multiple factors. One of the factors just mentioned is bio-apheresis. The other factor is the logistics, and we provide support on that. The third factor is actually patient condition as we know that we are treating the severe sickle cell disease. And before the reni-cel treatment, they can have multiple VOE per year, and that also can impact [indiscernible].

Caren Deardorf

Analyst

Mani, this is Caren. I would just add that, again, in the fast follower position, one of the things that gives us the opportunity to do is to really understand as the first 2 therapies are commercialized, what's working, what's not working, what they need to see differently and really making sure that Editas sets ourselves up as the partner of choice. And so we're working very hard on that, and we'll certainly talk about that at a later time.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you once again for your participation. You may now disconnect.