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Eagle Bancorp, Inc. (EGBN)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 21, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Eagle Bancorp Fourth Quarter and Year End 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this is conference call may be recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jim Langmead, Chief Financial Officer of Eagle Bancorp. Please go ahead.

James Langmead

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, happy New Year. Before we begin the comments, I'd like to remind you that some of the comments we make during this call may be considered forward-looking statements. Our Form 10-K for the 2014 fiscal year, our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, and current reports on Form 8-K identify certain factors that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements made this morning. The company does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments. Our periodic reports are available from the company or online on the company's website or the SEC website. I'd also like to remind you that while we think that our prospects for continued growth and performance are good, it is our policy not to establish with the markets any earnings, margin or balance sheet guidance. Now, I'd like to introduce Ron Paul, the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Eagle Bancorp.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Thanks, Jim. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you all to our earnings call to discuss the results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2015. Thank you for joining in the call this morning. In addition to Jim, our Chief Credit Officer, Jan Williams is on the call with us. And both Jim and Jan will be available for questions later in the call. I’m extremely pleased to discuss with you our financial results and activities for the fourth quarter and full year of 2015 which were both truly successful periods for Eagle Bank. In the fourth quarter, we earned $22.3 million of net income, which is a 52% increase over the GAAP net income in the fourth quarter of 2014 and is our 28th consecutive quarter of record increasing earnings. The fourth quarter of 2015 earnings represented a 32% increase over the operating earnings of $16.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2014, which excluded merger related expenses from the Virginia Heritage transaction completed in October of 2014. The earnings for the fourth quarter of 2015 comprised a 4% increase over the third quarter of 2015 earnings of $21.5 million. Fully diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter of 2015 were $0.65, a 33% increase over GAAP EPS of $0.49 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of ‘14 and 16% over the operating basis diluted EPS of $0.56 for the fourth quarter of ‘14. Another significant milestone is that we exceeded 6 billion in total assets at yearend 2015. These record levels of earnings and assets were attributable to the continued long organic growth and our consistent balanced performance in other key measurement indexes included strong net interest margin, asset quality and disciplined expense management. For the full year of 2015, we’ve reported net…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Casey Orr with Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open.

Casey Orr

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Good morning.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Good morning, Casey.

Casey Orr

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Great quarter, I just had a question for Jan. Can you give us some more color on the OREO expenses that came in this quarter specifically, you know was there valuation just with one specific property and how much was it writing down?

Jan Williams

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Well, we actually dispositioned a couple of pieces of OREO during this period. One was $3 million plus some properties that had some TI work associated with the disposition and that’s really where you got the expenses during the quarter.

Casey Orr

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Okay, great, that’s all I had for you guys. Great quarter, thanks.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Thanks, Casey.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Thank you and good morning.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Hey Joe.

James Langmead

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Hi Joe.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Yeah, just maybe follow-up a little bit on that. Just wondering the detail on other non-interest expenses were up I guess a little over million versus the third quarter. Just looking for some color on what made up that increase?

James Langmead

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Hey, Joe, that relates directly to Jan, so response Casey on the OREO. OREO expenses are valuation of OREO is in that category and I would say that you know around $800,000 of that increase would be 900,000 which due to the OREO. So that was the major component of the other - the increase in other non-interest expenses.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Okay, hats off that might be the case. Thanks. Also I guess on the deposit side, the demand deposits I guess non-interest bearing demand was up just a tiny bit sequentially and non-interest bearing demand - I mean interest bearing demand deposits were down sequentially. Just wondering if that’s just seasonal or there was any you know big you know institutional withdrawal or whatever, just some color on that as well?

Ron Paul

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Alright, Joe, we tend to look at deposit numbers on an average basis and our numbers for the fourth quarter of the year in both deposits and non-interest deposits were actually some decent growth and the DDAs round up to be almost 29% of average deposits in the fourth quarter. They were - they’ve been at that level for a while. They were actually at 28.7% for the third quarter. And then total deposits have continued to do very well. The average total deposits for the quarter really increased from 4.84 million to 4.95 billion. So again it’s an average issue. There could have been some noise at the end of the period but we tend to look at averages in our balance sheet and measure growth on that basis.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Okay. Alright, I guess last question I’ll ask just you mentioned you expect to see some continued margin pressure. Just wondering what’s backed into your expectations for fed rate for the year and how that effects your expectations on margin?

Ron Paul

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

My crystal ball is probably as clarity as everybody else’s, who knows what will happen as it relates to the fed. You know we believe that we price our loans according to risk and evaluate each credit accordingly. So you know we believe that we have a strong margin. We think we can maintain generally the margin. Competition always has an impact. You know as I mentioned in our comments, we believe there is liquidity in the market, so we don’t see anybody increasing rates. But again who knows when that could change.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group. Your line is open

Alright, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Hey, good morning.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Hey Dave.

James Langmead

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Good morning, Dave.

Jan Williams

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Good morning.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

I am just curious in terms of the overall market there. You know I think last quarter, you know you noted the loan pipeline of demand was strong in the urban, metro sites in the town centers, is that still sort of the driver of loan growth of expectations that you are going to continue to see that drive the majority of loan growth?

James Langmead

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

The loan is continuing to be stronger and stronger. We are becoming more and more selective. The boutique nature of our typical projects is pretty fast and true. It gives us the opportunity to be able to be a little more selective with builders that we know really well. The expansion in Northern Virginia is tremendous on the C&I side, especially when you look at the increase in government spending, technology, cyber security, if you go up the 270 corridor, Montgomery County you are seeing an increase in biotech, NIH is talking about doubling the size of their campus. So you just have an awful lot that’s going on within the market. You know we are sensitive to in our opinion, there is a little bit frothiness in the multifamily side, in the large multifamily side, which is not the market we plan, boutique side because operating expenses is definitely the place to be. And you know the millennial are driving the market and we continue that to be strong and stronger. I also just want to add obviously that with a change in administration regardless of which IO in, side of the IO ins is that you traditionally see an increase in job growth in Washington, people don’t leave Washington, more people come into Washington. So, and again that’s a millennial side which you will see on the multifamily improvement.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Got it. And then I think Ron touched upon the history you guys have in terms of underwriting on the commercial real estate side and their recent regulatory guidance, are there any expectations or is that a hope rather than a believe that maybe that’s introduced better risk adjusted pricing here and you think any peers are sort of less positioned for what I think promises to be a pretty tough examination cycle next year and maybe they’ll feed some market share at you all, I mean is there any sort of expectation or hope that’s crystallize next year?

James Langmead

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

We feel very good at the size that we are because we can afford the compliance, the cyber security, certainly the credit and ERM. So we feel real good that that we’ve obviously manage their expenses but we’ve applied them the right areas. So, and I do agree with you, I think that the exam cycle is going to be a little bit more difficult but feel real good that the systems that we have in place is something that is going to work with us. We also have been selected by the Federal Reserve to have quarterly meetings with them to give, not specific about Eagle but just the overall economy. So I think it shows the level of confidence that they have is us in understanding what the market is where it’s going and that’s both the all aspects, all size of the balance sheet.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Got it. Then one follow-up question, just curious current period load yields - average loan yield will sort of onboard it versus last quarter?

Ron Paul

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Hey Dave, the new loan rates for the fourth quarter yields that includes these where a little bit more than 490 and the payoff rate was around 530, so we gave up 40 basis points on that churn, not equal in terms of volumes but in terms of just rates about a 40 basis points give up between payoffs and new loan yields.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Got it, I appreciate the color. I’ll get back in the queue.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open

Very good, thanks Dave.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open.

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Good morning.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Hey Matt.

James Langmead

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Hey Matt.

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

So a couple of quick questions with regard to sort of a follow-up to Mr. Bishop’s questions in your comments about the regulatory guidance on, commercial real estate. What type of interest rate change, do you underwrite to maintain healthy coverage ratios?

Jan Williams

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

On the HVCRE issue?

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Yeah.

Jan Williams

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Really it’s about 22 basis points I think in terms of the additional capital cost. Jim can probably outline that better for you.

James Langmead

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Hey Matt, we use - in terms of pricing, we have a model that takes into account our cost and we also do it on a matched funding basis. So we use the FHLB curve, it’s an indicator of what our cost of money would be on a matched majority basis. And then established what we think and this goes I think to your question and Dave’s as well, we established or we think is a very decent return on equity and price the credit appropriately. And that is so important to keep our return on equity at very good levels. And as you know we’ve been in that 12% to 13% range. So we do allocate capital to our business units. We measure performance based on that. It’s all risk adjusted. And so as the yield for our changes and as rates are changing, we’re doing everything on a matched maturity basis and then we draw our outlook process or keeping our interest rate risk in line as we look at our entire balance sheet. And I’d say that balances as Ron’s comments earlier noted, we continue to have a very moderate level of interest rate risk.

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

I suppose, actually I may have missed word to that, I guess where I am really getting to is that if regulators are concerned that rates go up in coverage ratios on, real estate loans decrease creating weakness, do you underwrite to a higher interest rate from a coverage ratio standpoint, from a credit quality stand point?

Jan Williams

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

We do on the initial underwriting side and then we also stress test the portfolio quarterly and we do it for rate increases. We do it for defines in NOI whether that’s vacancy or reduction in rental rates, expense factors, cap rate. And we found that our portfolio continues to perform extremely well even under multiple stress scenarios, so I think we’re pretty careful and follow all of the regulatory guidance as far as managing a commercial real estate concentration. And I think we’ve been pretty successful doing that and the results from our regulatory reveals on that have been held.

James Langmead

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

The other item I might want to add is the 18 years history that Eagle’s been in around is that all of our condo projects are underwritten to rentals. And therefore we understand exactly and we put very strict guidelines within our lending on condo conversions as to when they could actually go to a sale process. So we really try to protect ourselves. I don’t mean to begin to deep in weaves but I think it does clearly show our understanding of exactly what it takes within the market to minimize risk.

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Okay. And one last question, this is a - I am asking for just open commentary, a quote from somebody else on the DC real estate market was that the suburban office park in DC is dead, what’s your take on that?

Ron Paul

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

I think that’s almost accurate statement, I don’t think it’s quite as extreme as dead. But I think that - I think there’s been a radical shift in the suburban market. And you’re seeing some vacant buildings. We’re looking at two actually right now where buildings that are well located but they are aged that it can be converted to multifamily, so there are opportunities. Everything is very much focused on where the metro is. Montgomery County is major emphasis now on commuting. So you are right, it’s certainly not a healthy place, fortunately we don’t have a large position in that. And what we do, we feel good about. The meaning of our multifamily - of our office market is that they are multitalented. So it’s not like you have one building with one tenant, you know you have average sized tenants of 3,000 to 5,000 feet, so it’s not that anybody is going to hurt you in rollover and we underwrite expiration of leases accordingly.

Matt Schultheis

Analyst · Matt Schultheis with Boenning. Your line is open

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow-up from the line of Dave Bishop with FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open

Yeah, one follow-up question. Just curious in terms of maybe the Maryland side of things, are you hearing some more optimism I guess from the commercial sector there with the change of administration you know all we can see be a little bit more business friendly than that the typical past administrations. Are you seeing any impact thus far from the rate to change in leadership?

Ron Paul

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open

Great point. I think that the state of Maryland relies that the way Montgomery County goes is the way the state goes. The governor has been very focused; there’s been a recent approval of the purple line as far as mass transit which will have a big impact in this part of the County. So the answer is yes, obviously that’s not going to an immediate change but I think it does. And I will tell you, as I mentioned earlier is that the biotech emphasis right now it’s going on in up to 270 quarter is also going to key along with the NIH expansion.

Dave Bishop

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open

Got it, appreciate the color.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back to Ron Paul for closing remarks.

Ron Paul

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

I want to thank everybody for attending and listening to the call. Obviously we are available overtime for any further question and everybody that’s on the East Coast be safe with the upcoming snow storm. So thank you again for listening.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.