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Emera Incorporated (EMA)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 23, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Emera Inc. Q4 2022 Analyst Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Dave Bezanson. Please go ahead, sir.

Dave Bezanson

Analyst

Thank you, Laura, and thank you, all for joining us this morning for Emera’s fourth quarter 2022 conference call and live webcast. Emera’s fourth quarter earnings release was distributed this morning via Newswire and the financial statements, management’s discussion and analysis, and the presentation being referenced on this call are available on our website at emera.com. Joining me for this morning’s call are Scott Balfour, Emera’s President and Chief Executive Officer; Greg Blunden, Emera’s Chief Financial Officer; and other members of Emera’s management team. Before we begin, I’d like to advise you that this morning’s discussion will include forward-looking information, which is subject to the cautionary statement contained in the supporting slide. Today’s discussion and presentation will also include references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the appendix for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure. And now, I will turn things over to Scott.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. This morning we reported adjusted annual earnings of $850 million and adjusted earnings per share of $3.20, continuing our track record of delivering strong, predictable earnings growth and supporting ongoing dividend growth for our shareholders. Excluding the receipt of a CAD$63 million litigation settlement representing $45 million of after-tax earnings, our annual adjusted earnings of $805 million represent our highest ever up 11% year-over-year, largely driven by continued strong growth in Florida and strong performance at Tampa Electric in particular. The performance at Tampa Electric was largely driven by new base rates in support of the significant customer focused investments being made and by the impact of more favorable weather than expected. Our adjusted earnings were also bolstered by strong performance at Emera Energy. Excluding the positive litigation settlement, our fourth quarter adjusted earnings per share was $0.76 and annual adjusted earnings per share was $3.03. This represents an 8% increase in annual adjusted earnings per share year-over-year. Despite what was a very challenging year on a number of fronts, including two major storms, Hurricanes Fiona and Ian, global economic pressures, supply chain disruptions, rapidly rising interest rates and record setting inflation, our business continued to deliver for our customers and our shareholders. The fact that our business performed so well in 2022 in the face of these challenges reinforces the strength of our diverse portfolio of assets, our strategy, and of course, our team. Our regulated portfolio continues to be the primary driver of our growth. Regulated earnings contributions have been steadily and predictably increasing as we continue to make rate base investments to reduce carbon emissions and increase reliability all while doing so in the most cost effective way possible for customers. Our recent fuel and storm cost recovery filing in…

Greg Blunden

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Thank you, Scott, and thank you all for joining us this morning. This morning, we reported fourth quarter adjusted earnings of $249 million and adjusted earnings per share of $0.93. Our results this quarter included the recognition of a CAD$45 million after-tax settlement related to offsetting litigation, which represents $0.17 of adjusted earnings per share. Normalizing for the impact of this one-time settlement better highlights the performance of our ongoing business. Excluding the impact of the litigation settlement, adjusted earnings were $204 million for the quarter and adjusted earnings per share was $0.76. For the year, excluding the impact of the litigation settlement, adjusted earnings were a record $805 million and adjusted earnings per share was $3.03. This represents an 11% increase in adjusted net earnings and 8% growth in adjusted earnings per share year-over-year. Growth in adjusted earnings per share for the quarter was primarily driven by new base rates and continued customer growth at Tampa Electric, higher earnings from a marketing and trading business and the impact of a weaker Canadian dollar. These increases were partially offset by lower contributions from our Canadian utilities, higher corporate costs, primarily driven by the timing of share-based compensation expense and related hedges and higher share count. Over the last number of years, we have continued to deliver earnings growth in excess of dividend growth. As a result, we have made measurable progress in reducing our dividend payout ratio. Excluding the positive impact of the litigation settlement, our payout ratio in 2022 was 88%. This is a clear example of our plan to improve our target payout ratio over time with earnings per share growth in excess of dividend growth. Operating cash flow was challenged this year by the significant fuel under recovery and storm costs incurred primarily at Tampa Electric. It…

Dave Bezanson

Analyst

Thank you, Greg. This concludes the presentation. We would now like to open the call for questions from analysts.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first session comes from the line of Mark Jarvi from CIBC. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Jarvi

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Greg, the question for you with the – at the market program, is expectation you’ll renew that in 2023 and just maybe will sort of the level of activity be comparable to the – what you did in 2022?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Mark, at this point in time, we would expect to renew that. It’s been a very cost effective way to raise equity as we require. And it is part of our funding plan as you know going forward. And so we would continue to expect under normal circumstances to access that market for around $250 million on average each year.

Mark Jarvi

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Okay. And Scott, I have a question for you. In terms of your comments around the Atlantic Loop and sort of tempered enthusiasm to invest there. Just sort of updated, what would change your tone in terms of willingness to invest? And I guess also if you think about some of the challenges in getting Labrador-Island Link up and running, do those types of issues in terms of startup issues delay your enthusiasm for a large transmission project investments going forward?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Yes, thanks, Mark. To start with your second question, no, they don’t, I think, the issues that the Nalcor is having with their Labrador-Island Link asset really has nothing to do with Emera directly. Our confidence and our ability to design, build, operate large scale transmission assets, I think, is best demonstrated by the Maritime Link project and putting that into service on time and on budget and having it operate as expected and now delivering meaningful value to shareholders, sorry, to customers, meaningful value to customers. On the Atlantic Loop, really, it’s largely about having a confidence in the ability to invest in a project and to have confidence that there would be a return on and return of that investor capital that we would be putting to work. And Bill 212 puts some concern obviously about that at large scale for a new project. So that’s really the consideration in terms of where we’re at now. But we continue to believe that this is an important project for Nova Scotia, an important project for Nova Scotia Power customers. And that’s why the team at Nova Scotia Power is working with its government partners to do everything we can to help enable that project to as cost effectively and as efficiently from a system perspective as possible to enable the closure of coal plants here in Nova Scotia.

Mark Jarvi

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

I guess my question, is it completely ruled off or is there password potentially with federal government support or updated discussions with the provincial government that you could see prudent recovery of a larger investment?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

At this point Mark, I’d just say it’s too soon to say. We’ve certainly made our position clear as it relates to the effective restriction that Bill 212 has put on our ability to secure the investment and make the investment required. So, really it’s up to government partners at this point to help create that path forward. But we’re doing everything that we can to enable it.

Mark Jarvi

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Understood. All right. Looking forward to the update next week. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead.

Maurice Choy

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Thank you, and good morning. My first question, I want to still come back to Slide 13, the cash flow to debt metric which I know your plan is to be above 12% on a sustainable basis. You mentioned that you are exiting 2022 at around 11%, and that’s obviously a proper improvement from what it was in Q3. What do you expect to finish this year in 2023 at assuming that the regulatory matters at Tampa Electric go as you filed and FX stays at $1.25 [ph] or even $1.30 that you use in this assumption?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Yes, Maurice, we’ll provide a little bit more color and detail around that next week. But we’re on a path to show a continued improvement from the 11%. I think with the new rates that are in place at New Mexico, Nova Scotia Power and Tampa Electric, we will comfortably allow us to get to it at a minimum 11.5%. And we’re still working through some other items that we will provide – we hope some upside to get closer to the 12% in 2023.

Maurice Choy

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Thanks. It may be is a follow-up to these other items that you just mentioned. Obviously being above 12% is what your plan is positioned for you to be at. There’s obviously quite a bit of room for interpretation of what you view to be an ideal range above 12%. For example, 12.1% meets your goal, but being at 12.5% to 13% offers you some cushion and balance sheet flexibility, particularly given the role that we live today. So just some thoughts on as to how you might approach where you ideally like the metric to be?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Yes. It’s a fair question, Maurice. No point should you interpret that we want to be at 12% a sustainable basis that we think the 12.1 is the right number. I think if you look at the – probably the reasonable and fairly well baked plan we have in front of us to get to 11.5 plus in 2023. So I’ll call it a 50 basis point improvement. We would like to target some kind of level of improvement of around 50 basis points each and every year over the forecast period. And then that should give us kind of around 100 basis points plus cushion versus the 12% target.

Maurice Choy

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks for that color. And maybe I could just finish off with Big Bend. Now that Unit 1 has been repowered and obviously well done for delivering this on time and under budget as you said, Scott, which is not an easy feat these days. Unit 2 has been retired. Unit 3 is well on its way this spring. What future plans do you have for Unit 4, if any?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Yes, I think, Archie Collins is on the line. Archie, do you want to respond to that?

Archie Collins

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Sure. Happy to do that. Good morning, Maurice. Big Bend 4, we just last year in 2022, we actually made a fairly significant capital investment in Big Bend 4 to that allows that unit to achieve full load 480 megawatts on natural gas. We also have the ability to consume 100% coal in that unit. So we’ve got a lot of flexibility in that asset. Now we’re able to play off one fuel against the other and determine what’s the most cost effective for customers at any point in time. We like that level of flexibility. It adds a little bit of diversity into our portfolio. We know that means it’s sort of keeping coal around a bit longer than some stakeholders might like. So that’s an ongoing debate that we have within the company. But at least for the foreseeable future, we see value in that flexibility and we’re going to continue to keep that asset available on either natural gas or coal.

Maurice Choy

Analyst · Maurice Choy from RBC. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks for the color and taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead.

Ben Pham

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks. Good morning. I’m wondering with the gas price movement which we’ve seen year-to-date. How do you think about that impacting your business maybe direct or indirect?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Maybe I’ll start with – go ahead, Scott. Sure, please.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Yes, that’s fine Greg, if you want to go.

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

As you probably can tell Ben, we’re not in the same room at the moment. Yes, so, Ben, part of the fuel filing that we did at Tampa Electric to recover the under recovery of 2022 fuel costs over the 20-month period in 2023 and 2024. As part of that, we had to provide an update on fuel costs for 2023 at Tampa Electric. And at this point, we’re forecasting to have a fairly significant over recovery of fuel costs. And there’ll be – we’ve proposed an adjustment to customer rates to turn that back to customers over the balance of this year, so over the April 1 to December 31 period. So, the decline we’ve seen has put us in a position where the fuel rate at Tampa Electric is actually higher than what we’re actually experiencing, and that’s probably the area where it’ll have the most meaningful impact to us. Obviously, lower gas prices help both Peoples Gas and New Mexico Gas as well in terms of the fuel component of customer bills. But really the most significant impact is the fuel cost recovery at Tampa Electric.

Ben Pham

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Ben, I just add that it’s really helpful to our customers, right? It just – it helps to make the energy we’re providing to our customers more affordable. Obviously that was a real challenge in 2022, at the same time as inflationary pressures and other pressures that the customers were experiencing. So reducing fuel prices and obviously reduces rate pressure for customers and thus helps to ensure that we’re not putting undue pressure on customers’ bills.

Ben Pham

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. And then maybe going back to the balance sheet, and you’re exiting this year and in a good position. I’m wondering as you look forward, how does asset sales fit into the calculus for you guys as you look up towards [indiscernible]

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Yes. I think Ben, I mean really no different than it always has is that from our view, first and foremost is, we’re executing on our strategy. And end of 2022 results, I think demonstrate the execution of that strategy and delivering cleaner energy to our customers investing in reliability and doing that in the most cost effective way for our customers is driving meaningful investment needs and is driving meaningful growth for shareholders too, including improvement of credit metrics. And so we remain very confident in the path ahead for us. But we’re blessed with the diversification within our portfolio. And we always have – when we sort of consider our strategy and our portfolio over here, we’re constantly thinking about how best we allocate capital. And obviously, right now you’re seeing that with a significant amount of capital being invested in Florida, but we’ve demonstrated in the past when it makes sense for our investors to think about and recycling the capital or in the language that we’ve used optimizing our portfolio, then we’re very prepared to do that. But as we sit today, we’re confident with the path of executing our strategy, delivering for our customers, and as we do that, continuing to drive the growth and earnings and improvement in credit metrics as we do that.

Ben Pham

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Okay. And maybe just a final follow-up on asset sales, I know, you went through a monetization program in the past some that was evaluation driven and some are just more focused on your core areas. Would you ever – let’s push comes down our shove, would you ever consider maybe monetizing maybe pieces of the best parts of your portfolio, we’ve seen some of those examples in the U.S. utility land. There’s one of your thoughts on that.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Yes. It’s a question that’s been asked before, Ben and I presume by that you mean our assets in Florida. And no, that would not be a strategy that we’d be considering. We consider those businesses, the driver of our growth and future. And so no, those – that would not be something that we’re is currently in focus. Yes, I do know that’s something that some peer utilities have done effectively. And so that’s always an option, but not something that we’re considering.

Ben Pham

Analyst · Ben Pham from BMO. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead.

Rob Hope

Analyst · Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead

Good morning, everyone. Just two cleanup questions for me. First one is for Greg. Just relating to the 50 basis point improvement in the leverage metrics per year based off of the existing plan, just want to confirm that that is, we’ll call it an adjusted number and not reflecting kind of the incremental cash that you’ll get from unrecovered fuel then 2023 and 2024 out of Florida.

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead

Correct.

Rob Hope

Analyst · Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you. And then just taking a look at Peoples Gas, the outlook for flat earnings year-over-year, can you just walk us through some of the dynamics there? Because you are seeing very strong economic activity and customer growth in the region, but is inflation as well as kind of this the sheer magnitude of capital that you put the work there kind of the key burdens there?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead

Yes. You’ve identified exactly the two issues, Rob, I mean, the business is performing very well but with that customer growth is requiring us to invest capital at maybe a little faster pace than we would’ve expected. And putting obviously pressure as a result of that because incremental capital comes with higher depreciation, higher financing costs, put a little bit of pressure on our expected ROE, which is why we are filing for new rates. Probably secondary to that though would be the inflationary increases we’re seeing across to the Board. But the primary driver is just the timing of the deployment of capital support the customer growth.

Rob Hope

Analyst · Rob Hope from Scotia Bank. Please go ahead

All right. That’s great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst · Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead

Thank you. I’m wondering if you could help us understand your outlook for Nova Scotia Power in 2024. Do you think that there’s any hope of earning within your allowed ROE or do you expect at this point to under earn? Any contacts would be appreciated.

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead

Yes. Thanks, Linda. It’s Greg. I’ll start. I think the settlement was a reasonable balance for the company and our customers. And as a result of that, we think there’s a assuming somewhat normal weather, we think there’s a reasonable path to earn at the low end of our band or near the low end of our band in 2023. Still some work to be done in 2024. What the team is looking at and trying to identify opportunities. But at this point in time, we’d expect to be somewhat below the low end of the band. But is there I think you might have characterized, is there a hope that we could get there? Maybe, but I’m not so sure. Hope is a strategy, but the team is working at trying to identify a path to and we’re certainly committed to trying to get to the low end of the band in 2024 as well.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst · Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead

Thank you. And as a follow-up, just bigger picture and maybe you’ll be addressing us a little bit next week. Just wondering if you could give us an updated sense of views on the levelized unit energy cost in your jurisdictions for various forms of energy, whether it be solar, gas, coal in Florida, other, how might we think of for example unit for how much coal it might consume over the next couple of years based on your outlook for energy prices and recognizing that there’s been some inflationary pressures on solar, especially the land value in Florida. Just interested to get an update on a unit basis, what your views are on energy cost? And I guess the second part to my question, and I realize this is a lot, is how much room do you see in your various grids for adding that intermittent source of power over time?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead

Yes. Linda, so we’ll take that away, obviously that’s a question with a longer answer than would be workable here, but we can work to try and give a sense of that. But you’re right. We’re seeing sort of the supply chain and real estate prices and inflationary pressures globally, as you know, we’re not necessarily seeing the continued reduction in the cost of some forms of renewable energy that’s not unique to Canada or the U.S. that would be a global phenomenon. But we can take that away and give you a bit more perspective.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst · Linda Ezergailis from TD Securities. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Dariusz Lozny

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my question. Maybe just to start a high level one, how would you characterize the environment and the key stakeholder relationships in Nova Scotia as you stand today, obviously there was a lot of consternation towards the end of the NSPI rate case, but you got a constructive outcome there. And perhaps how does that then manifest itself in your efforts to recover 2022 storm costs?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yes. So I know Peter Gregg is on the line. Peter, do you want to respond at least to the first part of that question?

Peter Gregg

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Sure. Thanks, Dariusz. Yes, bit of a tumultuous year, but I think the URB [ph] affirmation of the settlement was a good positive step forward, I think reflects meaningful ongoing discussions with the key stakeholders on this file. And I think really important that either Scott or Greg mentioned earlier, the number of customer representatives had signed onto that that settlement was significant and important. I think the other thing I’d add is that we know we need to engage with stakeholders on a regular basis in a meaningful way. Perhaps we could have done a better job of that in the past. And it’s something certainly I and the team are committed to at our actively engaging in at this point.

Dariusz Lozny

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Excellent. Thank you very much for that color. One more if I can. And this is again another relatively high level one. Are there any efforts are you may be considering any other ways to reduce the variability that’s in your results from one quarter to the next specifically from foreign exchange and also various impacts of long-term compensation? I realize those were perhaps somewhat outsize impacts from 2022, but maybe just as we look forward as far as efforts to improve visibility, reduce the variability. Are there any considerations on either of those fronts?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yes. There is. It’s Greg. I think certainly with the initiation of a foreign exchange hedging program on our adjusted earnings that will certainly help. And we’re progressing our way through that and have a lot more hedged. And so I think that’ll leads certainly helpful. As we go forward, obviously on foreign exchange specifically, we have seen quite a bit of volatility over the last couple of years for a whole number of factors, which is probably continue – contributing to that. But kind of similar results, we do actually hedge our long-term compensation, but again, we’re finding ourselves in a position that you’d be very familiar with that we’re just seeing such market volatility that it’s just causing some timing differences. So I think on both foreign exchange and hedging of long-term compensation, as we get into more normal circumstances with more normal volatility, I think you’ll find that that’ll smooth out – smooth it out on a quarter-to-quarter basis.

Dariusz Lozny

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate those responses and look forward to next week.

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Dariusz Lozny from Bank of America. Please go ahead

Thanks, Jerry.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line Andrew Kuske from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir.

Andrew Kuske

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Thanks. Good morning. I guess, we’ll have a ample time to talk about Florida next week, while we’re there. But I’m going to focus my questions on Nova Scotia. And I guess, the first one really revolves around the province’s aspirations for offshore wind. How do you think about that from an NSPI standpoint? And not necessarily you being involved in offshore wind, but just the transmission interconnectivity. We’ve seen a number of regimes used around the world for the connectivity from offshore wind farms to the shore. How do you think about that right now on a high level basis?

Peter Gregg

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Greg, Scott, do you want me to take that?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Yes. Sorry, may not come in. Yes. Peter, you can respond to that.

Peter Gregg

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Sure. Andrew, a few points on that. I think there’s opportunity in Nova Scotia, I think both on onshore continued development of onshore wind and offshore wind. Our focus to date has really been on the onshore and with the – we often talk about the Atlantic Loop, but there – the project we are working on is called the Eastern Clean Energy Initiative, which involves the Atlantic Loop, but it also involves more development of onshore wind. Province did RFP bring some more proponents in last year. And those projects will continue, and I believe there’s even more room for onshore. As we look, I know we have many discussions with potential offshore developers. We’re really looking at that from a transmission interconnectivity perspective. We’ll continue to have those discussions, if there are opportunities obviously for investment in the transmission assets we’d certainly look at that very closely.

Andrew Kuske

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Okay. Appreciate that color. And then maybe a bit more granular and kind of hot off the presses from yesterday with the feds in the province of Nova Scotia, just the heat pump subsidies that are coming. How do you think about that in relation to the core asset base of NSPI?

Peter Gregg

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

The way I think about that is, I think, there’s still a heavy reliance on home heating oil in Nova Scotia. So that’s a very positive thing for our customers, the subsidies to move into efficient heat pumps. We’ve had a program allowing for longer term financing for our customers to switch to heat pump hasbeen very successful. We’ve liked to see that, obviously, there’s a low growth opportunity through that electrification exercise and we think that that’s an important sort of longer term development.

Andrew Kuske

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Okay. That’s great. Thank you very much.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir.

Patrick Kenny

Analyst · Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Just on Block Energy, I’m sure we’ll be getting the full update next week. But just in later the volatility in fuel costs, wondering if you’re seeing any pickup in customer demand for the Block Energy platform, either in Florida or perhaps other jurisdictions where you might be looking to deploy the technology?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir

Yes. Patrick, the way it’s – I mean, it’s still early for us with Block Energy is, as we’ve effectively got pilot now in Florida and now working on a second pilot outside of Florida. And I think you’re right. I think the volatility of fuel prices and the impact that has on energy prices for customers is an important selling feature of the Block Energy Solution. But so too is reliability. And one of the things that was clearly demonstrated in 2022 through Hurricane Ian is the resiliency, the improved reliability that can be achieved with this product as Hurricane Ian, of course, ravaged Florida and resulted in a number of outages including, of course, in Tampa Electric service territory. While those customers that were served with Block Energy continued want to have energy throughout that experience. So the combination of those two things continues to have us feeling excited and confident as to path forward for Block Energy. There’s certainly building interest from customers of all kinds in this Microgrid Solutions. But still relatively early days and certainly as you point out something that we’ll talk about more when we’re together in Florida next week.

Patrick Kenny

Analyst · Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir

Got it. And then, I guess, just from a larger scale perspective, just given the heightened level of interest in all things energy storage, whether it’s batteries, gas storage or developing pumped hydro. I know your three year capital plan is locked in, but just given the long lead times for some of these opportunities. Curious if your team is looking to bring any of these larger scale energy storage type assets into the portfolio by say the latter part of the decade?

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir

Yes. You’re exactly right. The energy transition is – and this is in part going back to a question of Linda’s as well, but energy transition obviously has its challenges when a lot of the early moves in that transition is the build out of intermittent renewables. And most systems can take a good portion of intermittent renewables, but once you get to a certain percentage, at least in Nova Scotia and in Tampa Electric, that would sort of be in the mid to high teens of generation mix. It starts to get more challenging to avoid the degree of intermittency that is now on the system with that generation from not causing challenges with system reliability. So therefore storage becomes important. And so, yes, absolutely storage is going to be an important part of the – continuation of the energy transition, the continuation of delivering cleaner and reliable service for customers. And you’re right, it’s going to be sort of storage of all forms. And that’s obviously a big part of the Maritime Link project in a way is finding ways to bring in storage in the form of hydroelectricity, which can have some of those advantages. Batteries obviously a big component. You heard me talk about LNG even for our gas utilities and that’ll continue to be a theme of our capital program well beyond our current three year forecast period.

Patrick Kenny

Analyst · Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead, sir

Okay. That’s great. I’ll leave it there. Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir.

Richard Sunderland

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Hi, good morning. Thanks for the time today. Just one quick one from me on the New Mexico AMA contribution. Curious if 4Q 2021 is a good normalized base there, meaning that year-over-year impact was all upside versus, I guess, normalized expectations also just under the current market dynamics. Any continuation of that upside into 1Q?

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Hi, Rich. It’s Greg. Oh, sorry.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

So go ahead, Greg. And then Ryan can add on.

Greg Blunden

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Yes. I think, 2021 is probably more representative Rich of what we would expect on a normalized basis, obviously, we had some outperformance in 2022. I’m not so sure, 2023 will be back to 2021 levels, but I don’t think it’ll be at 2022 levels either. We’re still seeing some market dynamics of which you’ll create some upside potential, but not nearly to the extent that we saw in 2022.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Ryan, just want to add a little more color from your perspective.

Ryan Shell

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Yes. I would agree with what Greg just said. I don’t think there’s anything further that I would add.

Richard Sunderland

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Great. That’s all from me. Thank you.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · Richard Sunderland from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would now turn the call back over to Mr. Dave Bezanson for closing remarks.

Dave Bezanson

Analyst

Thank you, Laura, and thanks everyone for attending today. We look forward to seeing many of you next week at our Investor Day. Have a great day.

Scott Balfour

Analyst · CIBC. Please go ahead, sir

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much, presenters. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a lovely day.