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Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 3, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Enbridge Incorporated, Enbridge Income Fund Holdings, Enbridge Energy Partners and Spectra Energy Partners' Second Quarter 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Carmen, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session for the investment community. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Jonathan Gould, Director, Investor Relations. Jonathan, you may begin.

Jonathan Gould - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Great. Thank you, Carmen Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Enbridge Inc. and sponsored vehicle joint second quarter 2018 earnings call. With me this morning are Al Monaco, President and CEO; John Whelen, EVP and Chief Financial Officer; Guy Jarvis, EVP and President of Liquids Pipelines; Bill Yardley, EVP, President of Gas Transmission and Midstream; and Vern You, EVP and Chief Development Officer. Our joint call will again include discussion for all of the Enbridge entities in order to provide a consistent enterprise-wide, strategic, and financial perspective while incorporating specific commentary on the strategy and performance of each of the sponsored vehicles throughout. As per usual, this call is webcast and I encourage those listening on the phone line to follow along online with the supporting slides. A replay of the podcast of the call will be available later today and a transcript will be posted to the website shortly thereafter. In terms of Q&A, given the broad agenda and limited time we have available, we will prioritize calls from the investment community only. If you're a member of the media, please direct your inquiries to our communications team who'll be happy to respond immediately. We're again going to target keeping the call to roughly one hour, and may not be able to get to everybody. So, please limit your questions to one and a follow-up as necessary. But as always, we will ensure that our Investor Relations team will be available for you and for your more detailed follow-up questions afterwards. Before we begin, I'll point out that we'll refer to forward-looking information on today's call. By its nature, this information contains forecasts, assumptions and expectations about future outcomes. So, we remind you that it's subject to the risks and uncertainties affecting every business including ours. Slide 2 includes a summary of the significant factors and risks that could affect Enbridge and its affiliates and are discussed more fully in our public disclosure filings available on both the SEDAR and EDGAR systems. So, with that, I will now turn the call over to Al Monaco.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Jonathan. Good morning, everyone. It's been a busy and strong quarter at Enbridge on many fronts. So, I'll start by highlighting our Q2 numbers and how the rest of the year is shaping up. I'll then recap the good progress we've made on our priorities that we laid out at Enbridge Day followed by a business and regulatory update. John will then review the financial performance in more detail including the sponsored vehicles and, as usual, update on the financing plan. Turning to slide 4. As with Q1, the Q2 results were strong across the board. So, we're up significantly over last year for both the Q and first half. Operationally, which I think is the biggest driver here, we fired on all cylinders with record Liquids Mainline throughput and our natural gas pipes and utilities performed very well. Quarter two distributable cash flow per share came in at CAD 1.10 or 36% above last year, and remember this is the first full comparable quarter post Spectra. These numbers reflect the reliable financial performance of our core pipes and utility businesses and shows that we're delivering the expected cash flow growth from our secured projects. We're halfway through the year but based on these results and what we see coming, we now expect that we'll be in the top half of our DCF per share guidance range, delivering strong year-over-year growth. And we've delivered this growth at the same time as we've been funding our $22 billion of secured projects and strengthening our balance sheet. On to slide 5. This is the big picture view on the progress we've made in just a few months since we outlined the plan. We've moved quickly to a pure pipeline utility asset model by concluding agreements to sell or monetize CAD 7.5…

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Well, thanks, Al, and good morning, everyone. I'll pick up here on slide 13 with a review of financial performance for the quarter. It's worth noting that Q2 of 2018 reflects the first time we've been able to report and provide an apples-to-apples, quarter-over-quarter comparison for the combined company. And the strength of the combination is clearly coming through in this quarter-over-quarter look. As you can see, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was up over CAD 584 million for the quarter, relative to the same period in 2017, driven by strong underlying operating performance and the ongoing impact of successful project execution across all of our businesses. Liquids Pipelines adjusted EBITDA was up a little over CAD 300 million compared to Q2 of last year. Here, the growth was driven by a few factors. Average deliveries on the Mainline were very strong at over 2.6 million barrels per day, in part facilitated by the capacity optimization initiatives that we introduced in late 2017, including a program which allows us to ship a blended heavy product on our light lines to fill otherwise unutilized light capacity. Mainline revenue also benefited from higher tolls and higher U.S. dollar hedge rates. Secondly, Q2 results reflect the impact of several significant regional oil sands projects that were placed into service in the latter part of 2017. And finally, during the second quarter, we continued to a see strong U.S. Gulf Coast demand for crude which resulted in higher spot volume shipments on our downstream market access pipelines. Moving down the slide, Gas Transmission and Midstream was up CAD 115 million when compared to the second quarter of 2017. Here, period-over-period growth in adjusted EBITDA reflects the impact of several projects brought online during 2017, including Sabal Trail as well as a number of other smaller expansion…

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Thank you, John. This is now on slide 20 here. As you've just heard, it's been a very productive quarter at Enbridge on many fronts. The Q2 results were strong and put us in position to achieve our full-year guidance and likely in the upper half. We're pleased with the progress on our priorities. We more than doubled our asset sale target, accelerating de-leveraging and giving ourselves additional financial flexibility, and that's been done while delivering on the organic growth program that's generating increasing cash flow. We're executing well on the capital program and the CAD 7 billion of projects slated to come in this year are on target. We're streamlining the business through cost efficiency and simplifying the structure. And, of course, we reached a huge milestone with the Line 3 decision in Minnesota. And finally, we'll continue to focus on execution through the rest of this year. With that, I'll now hand it back to the operator to open up the line for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question is from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan.

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

Good morning.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Hi, Jeremy.

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

I just wanted to start off with the Mainline here, some very material progress in the quarter here, but just wanted to dig in a little bit more with Line 3 replacement in Minnesota. Just wondering if you could expand a bit more on what gives you guys confidence in the back half of 2019. Timeline still seems like there's a bunch of permits there and water permits. There's been a lot of issues with pipeline development that's been kind of unexpected there. So any color there would be helpful. And then upon successful expansion, just wondering where do you see these barrels going? Do you need more downstream expansions like expanding Flanagan? Could this lead to other growth projects? And then Line 5, if there's anything new to report there? Thanks.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. That's quite a list, Jeremy, but we'll get after it here. Maybe I'll just start generally with the environment. As you pointed out, yes, things are difficult. But I think in this case here, what's really going to hold us I think in very good stead is what I referred to in my remarks around the thoroughness and extensive work that's been done through the entire process, including significant consultation with all the stakeholders. Remember here, we've got 95% of the land already tied up. And probably the other big factor, Jeremy, is that the EIS here, which was very fulsome, covered all of the potential routes and issues that might arise. So I think it's been a long process, but that's going to hold us in good stead here as we finalize the state and federal permits that are normal for this kind of project. So I think that's the big picture. On some of the other things specifically, maybe, I'll get Guy to speak to that.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · JPMorgan

Yeah, I think the only thing I would add to that, Al, is that we have a lot of construction experience in Minnesota over the years. So when it gets around to construction planning, we feel we have a really good handle on the pace at which we'll be able to build once we get to that. So that's really what's driving it. The combination of Al's comments and our construction experience is driving our confidence in the in-service date. In terms of where are the barrels going to go. In conjunction with this, we'll be completing the expansion of our Southern Access pipeline. So that's going to put us in a position where we've got the ability to move the barrels through superior and into our – not only into our core market where apportionment levels have been high, but to get into our market access pipelines as well. So we think we're in good shape there. In terms of Line 5, really nothing new to report. We've issued all of our reports to the State of Michigan as we were required to, and are now in some of the follow-up discussions that are resulting from that.

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

That's helpful. Thanks. And just one last question, if I could. With regards to Spectra, was just wondering when the fold-in terms were laid out, was that predicated on a FERC impact, CAD 100 million or north was kind of the expectation at that point? And today, it seems like it could be non-material based on the revisions in July. And so, just wondering if I understand that correctly? And to the extent you're able to comment, how you think this plays into the process?

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Well, I think your summary of the impact, which pretty much lines up with John's remarks. Maybe I'll try to respond to I think what's behind your question. First of all, when we came out with the roll-up announcement and strategy here, it was really based on several factors. The FERC situation at the time was certainly one of them, but there were others. And so, really today there is no change in how we're looking at the strategy to roll up the sponsored vehicles. I think the offers we've made are very compelling at the time and remain so when you look at all of these factors together. And, really, Jeremy, I think the essence of it is, at least in our view, the sponsored vehicles really don't have a good runway here with respect to the longer term in terms of how the effectiveness and the reliability of how they can raise capital. I think that's both from the Enbridge perspective and from the sponsored vehicles on a stand-alone business. So I think the ability for the vehicles to grow at least in our view has been dampened and compromised. Secondly, you heard John refer to some of the uncertainty there with respect to how the rules are going to be applied. As you know, it's not a binding rule. These are expressions of general policy, and there's going to be case-by-case determination. Maybe the final point on this is that one of the biggest issues, I think, is that the roll-up is going to bring significant benefits to each of these sponsored vehicles in terms of their owners versus their stand-alone outlook. And when you look at the consideration they would receive in terms of a much broader and well-diversified energy asset base, all-in-one spot, obviously as you heard us say, the transparency on distributable cash flow and dividend growth through 2020 is strong. Enbridge, Inc. obviously has a lower cost of capital, very strong balance sheet, and I think overall better liquidity. And all those things I've mentioned, I think, can be looked at quite objective in terms of the measures that typically go with those. So you've already seen some of this actually if you look at the impact in terms of Enbridge share price from some positive announcements over the last little while. And I think that obviously gets to the benefit of what the sponsored vehicle unitholders and shareholders would see from this kind of roll-up.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from Ben Pham with BMO.

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO

Okay. Thanks. Good morning.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Hello.

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO

Hey, hi. I'll keep it to one question. The question is on earnings per share. It looks like you've started to at least put that a bit more in your slides last quarter, this quarter, and looks like the – when you look at the growth in all three of the bucket, EPS is really moving well ahead of last year and quarter-over-quarter. So, are you looking at earnings more now than before with U.S. tax reform and does that play into dividend trajectory to some extent?

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Ben, it's John. We always look, quite frankly, at earnings and earnings per share in addition to DCF per share and always report on that. We don't guide to EPS per share at this particular stage. So, I would say that both are important and you're right, we're seeing some strong uplift in our EPS over time and we'll continue to report on that. At the moment, we're guiding to DCF per share. So, company like ours, both earnings and cash flow are critically important.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Ben, if you go back, I guess a few years now when we elevated the focus on distributable cash, it was really to ensure that we're focusing on and elevating the transparency of all the cash flow that's coming at us from the projects that we're doing. I don't think it necessarily meant that we were deemphasizing EPS, as John said, but it was – so, both continue to be very important.

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO

All right. Thanks, Al. Thanks, John.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Linda Ezergailis with TD Securities.

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

Thank you. Congratulations on a strong quarter.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Hi, Linda.

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

Hi. Maybe we can just look big picture for an update on your growth initiatives given that you've made significant progress in deleveraging, financing, et cetera. Specifically, your U.S. Gulf Coast and Permian export strategies, are there any developments on the oil or gas front? And maybe within that context, you can comment on the Gray Oak pipeline and what must be in place for Enbridge to exercise its option to acquire an interest and how you might finance those initiatives.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Well, you've called out both oil and gas, which is great and it's a good question. So, maybe what we'll do is have Guy attack the Gulf Coast and particularly Gray Oak first, and then maybe Bill can attack the gas side.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

Yeah. So, I think in – broadly speaking, obviously we continue to be very interested in the U.S. Gulf Coast. We're ramping up our efforts to pursue opportunity down there. Not going to get into exactly every one of them and what they are given the competitive nature of the region other than to say we like the region. We think it's important to North American oil movements, and more important in terms of how it relates with our assets than it's ever been. In terms of Gray Oak, we continue to stay close to the developments on Gray Oak and are pleased to see that that second open season seems to have resulted in some additional shipper support. We're continuing to kind of finalize our overall assessment of the project, and we'll be looking to make a decision on that here probably in the fourth quarter.

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

Thank you.

William T. Yardley - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

Yeah, I guess turning to the gas side, we've been actually pretty fortunate in the way our footprint lines up well with the LNG exports and with exports to Mexico. I think we're in great shape on Valley Crossing and getting it complete. We also have a number of Texas Eastern expansions and we connect into Freeport and Cameron and Sabine Pass, and through Valley Crossing, actually really well-positioned for anything that happens in Corpus or Brownsville. Regarding the Permian, we participate in the Permian with DCP which has had some nice expansions there. And I think we're in pretty good position to capture a lot of the growth that'll be needed along the coast for both of those export opportunities plus industrial opportunities as some of the Permian gets built out to the east.

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst · TD Securities

That's great. Thank you.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Linda.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Dennis Coleman with Bank of America.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Hi, Dennis.

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Yes. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just a couple for me. What were the issues on the distribution side? Any particular issues raised in the hearings with the OEB that might be of concern? You sort of mentioned that you'd have to look at the decision and decide what to do, which sort of raised a question in my mind.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Oh, okay. That's a good question, Dennis. So, typically, and it's not unusual with these kinds of performance-based regulation proposals, I guess. Typically, the productivity factor is usually something that arises. In our particular case, just given all the work that's been done over the last decade or so, we believe that shouldn't be applied in this case. So, productivity usually comes up. Other than that, I think we're in pretty solid position. The term here, we've applied for 10 years. We think we need a 10-year term in order to ensure that the investments that we make in the initial parts of this structure can be recovered properly. So, we like the 10-year term outlook, and I think that will result in the best outcome for our customers as well in terms of passing through cost savings. So, those are the two broad areas, I would say, Dennis. Nothing in particular with the comment other than to outline that as usual, when we get these decisions back, we'll have to evaluate them to see if they make sense. So, really, it's just part of our discipline and process of making sure that it lines up with what we can do.

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Great. Great. Thanks for that. Just one other more detailed one. Obviously, you have very strong volumes on the Mainline. Should we expect that volume? Is there any upside to that through second half of this year before we get to the expanded volumes with the L3R?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · Bank of America

Yeah. And this is Guy. We're moving very strong volumes again. August outlook is probably even a little stronger than what we've seen in the quarter and the first half. So, the situation on the Mainline is kind of at the margin, we do have incremental available throughput. It's just making sure that the supply is lining up the way it should, that the refineries perform on their end like they should. We're really comfortable with our own operating capability and how much capacity we can make available. So, on the margin, there's a potential for a little bit of upside, but probably nothing that's going to change the market dynamic within Alberta around pricing and whatnot.

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. Thanks for that. That's it for me.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Dennis.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Robert Kwan with RBC Capital Markets.

Robert Kwan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Morning. Just wondering with both the 2018 guidance but as well any comments you can make on what you originally floated out to 2020 in that CAD 5 share range. And kind of with both sets of guidance, can you just talk about some of the headwinds and the tailwinds you're seeing to each?

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Well, I think if you're looking out beyond 2018, Robert. It's John. We don't really see a change at this particular stage. Certainly, the performance of our business is steady and reliable as expected, and we think that will continue at the end of the day. Some of the goodness we've seen this year could well carry into subsequent years. But at this point, I don't think that would cause us to start thinking about impacts to our long-range forecast.

Robert Kwan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then on just – sorry.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

And just maybe the only thing to add there – sorry, Robert – is just given in Guy's business on the liquids side anyway, just given where we see the timing of potentially other pipelines coming in. I think it doesn't impact us through this three-year period. So, overall, I think John's right. Probably nothing much to add as far as upsides and downsides from the original target.

Robert Kwan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Maybe just turning and finishing here on the FERC announcements. You noted a number of items that you view as uncertain. And I'm just wondering, can you talk about the top two or three items in your mind in terms of potential materiality that you feel are still moving around in terms of the impact to you and the subsidiaries?

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Well, I think, Robert, the application of the policy that's announced is really what's quite unclear. They talked about evaluating things on a case-by-case basis. And even just this week we've seen some cases be evaluated where, for example, an impression was left that there could be a full recovery of a tax allowance for corporately owned MLPs, and that I think has been dismissed or drawn into question as a result of those cases. So, I think that's a fairly big one. At the end of the day in any event, the way the FERC decision was written I think, and Bill might want to chime in, it was clear that there were different perspectives on how this thing should be applied going forward and whether or not, if you will, the FERC was entirely supportive of the direction they were taking, particularly with respect to how you might treat ADIT which was the subject of the NOI that they issued earlier. So I think on both those fronts, there's a significant amount of uncertainty of how this will actually play out if you were to go through rate cases and just your ongoing dialogue with customers. I don't know, Bill, if you got any thoughts there.

William T. Yardley - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

It's Bill, Robert. It's hard to add a whole lot to that without getting into rate case strategy. But for sure, when we get the July 18, I guess it is, clarifications and then receive the Mississippi River decision that went enable filed, I don't know, not long after that. I'm not sure it provided a whole lot of clarity for us. So, we still have a lot to evaluate as we look to file our own rate cases, Robert. And without getting into too much detail, we it just left us with a fair amount to think about.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

I think we suggest, Robert, that the regulatory environment remains uncertain. It's a risky regulatory environment for people holding rate-regulated, FERC-regulated pipelines within MLP structures.

Robert Kwan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Got it. So, it sounds like the uncertainty from your perspective is more with respect to how FERC is going to apply what it set forward and not so much your uncertainty as to whether you would pursue say limited Section 4, full Section 4 or just keep what you've got. Is that fair?

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

That's right.

Robert Kwan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Thank you.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Robert.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Andrew Kuske with Credit Suisse. Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc: Thank you. Good morning. Just given the move in the commodity price and then obviously there's been some changes with the government stepping into Trans Mountain, you've got L3R approval, could you talk a little bit about just the sentiment from customers and how that sets you up for the next round of tolling settlement negotiations which is really just around the corner in the grand scheme of things?

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Well maybe I'll start it off, Andrew, with respect to general sentiment. I think it's fair to say that at least from the upstream customer point of view, there's still – I mean everybody we talked to, there's still a lot of hesitation about moving forward with additional projects or committing capital until we see some clarity on some competitive issues likely in Canada going forward. So I think that's the big picture. We are starting to see some green shoots though I would say. You heard some comments yesterday and the day before on that front. So, the oil sands has been discounted many, many times in the past and it continues to be a very strong source of reserves that can be developed quite predictably in the right price environment. So, maybe we're starting to see a little bit of a turnaround on that front. So, maybe on the CTF side, maybe we'll have Guy just comment on that.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · tolling settlement negotiations which is really just around the corner in the grand scheme of things

Yeah. I think one of the issues our customers are dealing with is a lot of uncertainty in the marketplace right now around timing and status of competing pipelines and what that means. What we have seen is that with the approval of Line 3, and admittedly we've got some work to do to make that happen, which we think we're going to do, we've seen kind of, I don't know if I would call it as renewed interest so much as a growing interest amongst our shippers to get after the CTS and how that's going to be tolled going forward because it's just another level of certainty that they're looking to acquire. So, we're very confident in the competitive situation of the Mainline and our history of negotiating these types of deals. So, we're beginning to ramp up those conversations with our customers right now. Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc: And then maybe just one follow-up. How do you think about the interplay of the CTS negotiations and then just the optionality you have on Southern Lights and what you could do there?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · tolling settlement negotiations which is really just around the corner in the grand scheme of things

Yeah. So currently the CTS does not encompass, obviously, Southern Lights. If we were to go down that path of pursuing a reversal of the Southern Lights pipeline, I'm not sure that we would wrap that up into a CTS agreement and can't even say for certain that the nature of our tolling is going to be in the form of the current CTS agreement. We're looking at a number of different options for tolling the Mainline, based on some interests of ours and feedback that we're getting from customers. So it may be a different framework that provides us similar financial performance, risk profile and returns. Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc: Okay. Thank you.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Matthew Taylor with Tudor Pickering Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. Securities- Canada ULC: Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Good morning. Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. Securities- Canada ULC: Yeah. With your partner talking publicly about using DRAs to increase Seaway capacity sometime this fall, just thinking more near term what type of opportunities you're seeing that you could possibly do to direct more barrels to the Gulf Coast?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · Tudor Pickering Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co

Yeah, so it's Guy. Obviously, the spreads are pretty wide open right now from Alberta to the Gulf. We're seeing that manifest itself in the volumes and the performance down Flanagan South, so to-date this year. We have space there if the barrels get directed there. But as we're seeing this continuing high levels of apportionment, there's strong demand for these barrels everywhere across our system. So I think the way I would characterize it is we have the ability to move into the Gulf, if that's the decision that our Mainline shippers make. Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. Securities- Canada ULC: Okay. That's great. And then maybe just as a follow-up, can you help me to understand maybe the potential impact there? And was this contemplated in your 2018 guidance?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · Tudor Pickering Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co

If you're referencing the Seaway expansion itself, obviously we've been engaged with enterprise on that plan. We're very supportive of it. It is not really viewed to be a significant uplift to our results at all for the balance of the year and would be factored in, with all of our other Mainline performance, into the forecast that John spoke to earlier. Matthew Taylor - Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. Securities- Canada ULC: Okay. That's great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Matthew.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Robert Catellier with CIBC Capital Markets.

Robert Catellier - CIBC Capital Markets

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Hi. Good morning. I just wanted to get back to the simplification strategy. Al, earlier in your comments you understandably mentioned that it needs to be a win-win situation. So I'm wondering if you could help us characterize what a win-win looks like, particularly from the perspective of the subsidiaries. And if you could address not only the financial issues that you've already touched on, but some of the intangibles like the reputational risk and whatnot?

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Well, let me see here. Maybe the way to speak to this one, Robert, is we obviously look at a number of things when we're contemplating these kinds of actions, and we thought through it when we rolled out the strategy. This really comes down to, I think, the accretive benefits of the transaction or the impact on distributable cash per share for us versus the benefits that we would get from the broader simplification. And I think, as we've outlined, we think there is benefits of simplifying that would elevate the transparency of the cash flows, which I think has been a concern. So I think both of those things are important to us. It needs to be effective from a value perspective for us. And hopefully that will come about. So we weigh all of those things in our assessment. So that's probably all I can say. I'm not sure what you mean by reputational implications. I mean, these are very strong offers. We have good relationships with the special committees. And they are going through a very comprehensive process that is evaluating the offers, and we'll have to see what it comes back with. So I think that's the next step here.

Robert Catellier - CIBC Capital Markets

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Thank you. Actually, that does help put some clarity on it. My second question was on Line 5. I was just wondering if there is anything in the recent reports that's concerning and what Enbridge views as the ultimate solution, the best solution for Line 5?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Yeah. So it's Guy again. I don't think there's anything that's come out in these reports that has been a surprise to us. I think one of the benefits of going through the work has been our ability to engage more fulsomely with the state and allow them to improve their understanding of the situation. I think in terms of the longer term outcome, the one report we submitted did indicate that it would suggest that potentially the best long-term outcome there is to construct a tunnel across the straits and place the pipelines within that. So we are working hard to continue to evaluate that option. We are willing to consider that long-term option, and we'll be working our way through that with the state this summer.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Maybe just a bit of context on this one that I'd like to add, Robert. I think, first of all, Line 5 has operated very safely over the decades. And for a number of reasons, the way it's constructed and the steel and the thickness of the steel, we feel very, very comfortable, particularly given it's operating at very low pressure relative to what it could operate at. So when we're talking about these kinds of solutions, I would put them in the category of giving communities and stakeholders additional measures of comfort here. So I think the team's done a good job and the reports are very effective in outlining an option here that does that, gives everybody just a little bit more comfort. And I think that's the end game here.

Robert Catellier - CIBC Capital Markets

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. Just the follow-up then, Guy, would be whether you think the direction is leaning to a multi-utility tunnel or just one for the Enbridge assets?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Yeah, so hard for me to comment on that given that we represent only one of the utilities. Certainly, we understand the potential benefits of that to the region. I think we – or I know we've indicated to the state that we would be willing to participate in something like that. So, we'll just have to see how the other players in the region view it and play it out with the state.

Robert Catellier - CIBC Capital Markets

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Gemino with Morningstar.

Joe Gemino - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Hi. My question's been answered already. Thank you.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from Patrick Kenny with National Bank Finance.

Pat Kenny - National Bank Financial, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

Yeah. Good morning, guys. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the Alliance open season, why you think it wasn't successful. What you and your partner can do to firm up support from shippers. And then also with NEXUS coming into service, Rover ramping up as well, somewhat displacing Alliance-Williams down Vector, just wondering what other market access opportunities you might be pursuing downstream of Chicago to help keep Alliance competitive longer term?

William T. Yardley - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

Hey, Patrick. It's Bill. As far as the open season went, I think we certainly saw a little bit of a different twist on producers' expectations and their desire to sit down to write longer-term contracts. We are going back to the drawing board and I think there may be a slightly different offering we can come up with, but it's probably still early days on that. There is a fair amount between Alliance and Rover and then NEXUS when it starts up shortly here of supply coming into that Midwest area. I think I think it's actually going to produce opportunities both for Vector and for others downstream of the Midwest hub there, and we'd certainly love to participate. We're actually focused on the NEXUS side on filling up the 40% that remains and have some pretty good leads there from the commercial team. So, a lot of that gas remember is likely to stay in Ohio and potentially in Michigan with all the interconnects that we've added along the way to markets. So, that Midwest hub may not be as crowded as some believe. I hope that's somewhat responsive.

Pat Kenny - National Bank Financial, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

Okay. Great. And then a question for Guy here switching back to the Mainline. Wondering, Guy, if there's any update on some of the back and forth you had there with Mainline shippers on potentially revising the nomination process. Is that still a work in progress? And if you were successful in eliminating those air barrels, how much incremental throughput do you think we could see from current levels?

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

Yeah. So, just to back up, we continue to believe that the integrity of the nomination process is not what it needs to be. We're concerned that we're seeing legitimate barrels backed out of the process by nomination barrels that are less than legitimate and that's causing pain to some of our customers and particularly the producing community. And then to your point, the impact on the Mainline is, is that it's making it very, very difficult for us to optimize throughput. So, we are working on a new plan. It's a plan that we will – we are consulting with our shippers with as we go once we have the plan finalized. We'll go through a bit of a review process with them, and then we will file it with the NEB, and we plan to do that early this fall and try to seek an expedited decision surrounding it. Speaking to the implications on the Mainline, some of the issues that we faced this year are we end up in a situation where the pipeline is – got high, high levels of apportionment and then we find ourselves mid-month falling short on crude. So, we've got to eliminate and make sure that those barrels that are nominated and granted space are real so that we can move them. And the other element of it is is that when apportionment is at this 45% level, there are so many machinations going on in the market at the end of the day to try and actually find the right barrels to get into the system that our schedule oftentimes gets upset early in the month and we miss windows and we just simply can't make up the barrels that we thought we would move. So, I think month in and month out, I don't have an exact number for you, but what we're seeing is is that the throughput at the end of the month versus what we accepted for nominations is not matching up. And we have to work hard on that and our customers have to work hard on that and our customers have to work hard on that because we understand the importance of every barrel.

Pat Kenny - National Bank Financial, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

All right. Appreciate that color. And then just one last one for John, if I could. Just wanted to confirm on the timing of elimination of the DRIP. So, assuming proceeds coming in on time from the Canadian Midstream sale and there's no new major projects secured over the near term at least, are we looking at early 2019 for turning off the DRIP? And then maybe you can comment on your thoughts around maybe keeping a non-dilutive DRIP in place just as an option for shareholders.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Right. I think probably that is the timing that we'll be looking at, Patrick. It'd be a decision undertaken in the fourth quarter. As I said in my prepared remarks, we'll look at it in the context of how the overall plan is emerging for the company, but it certainly represents an option at this point with the proceeds that we've taken in. With respect to the DRIP itself, I think, yeah. I think that's a logical thing probably to think about. Rather than a complete elimination of the DRIP, we would simply look at the discount that we'd pay on that DRIP, so people who want to participate through a DRIP program, we could continue to look at that. We're going to have to evaluate it based on the history of our program and how it works, but something to consider at the end of the day. But I think the point is that the more significant amounts of equity that we have been issuing through the DRIP through this very intensive growth period, that's what we'd be looking to shut off.

Pat Kenny - National Bank Financial, Inc.

Analyst · National Bank Finance

All right. That's great. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we have reached our time limit and are not able to take any further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Jonathan Gould for final remarks.

Jonathan Gould - Enbridge, Inc.

Management

Great. Thank you, Carmen. We covered a lot of ground here, and we've gone a little bit over time. But as always, our IR team will be available right away to take any additional follow ups that you may have. So, as a reminder, IR contacts are myself for Enbridge, Inc. related matters, Nafeesa Kassam for Enbridge Income Fund, and Roni Cappadonna for all Spectra Energy Partners and Enbridge Energy Partners related follow-ups. So thanks again, everyone, for your time and interest in the Enbridge companies and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.