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Q1 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 13, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Q1 2021 EnerSys Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there'll a question-and-answer session. I would now like to introduce your host of this conference call, Mr. David Shaffer, President and CEO. You may begin, sir.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks, Kevin. Good morning and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2021 earnings call. On the call with me this morning is Mike Schmidtlein, our Chief Financial Officer. Last evening, we posted slides on our website that we will be referencing during the call this morning. If you didn't get a chance to see this information, you can go to the webcast tab in the Investors section of our website at www.enersys.com. I'm going to ask Mike to cover information regarding forward-looking statements.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Thank you, Dave, and good morning to everyone. As a reminder, we will be presenting certain forward-looking statements on this call that are based on management's current expectations and views regarding future events and operating performance, and are subject to uncertainties and changes in circumstances. Our actual results may differ materially from the forward-looking statements for a number of reasons. Our forward-looking statements are applicable only as of the date of this presentation. For a list of factors which could affect our future results, including our earnings estimates, see forward-looking statements included in Item 2, Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, set forth in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended of July 5, 2020, which was filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, we will also be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures. For an explanation of the differences between the comparable GAAP financial information and the non-GAAP information, please see our company's Form 8-K, which includes our press release dated August 12, 2020, which is included on our website at www.enersys.com. Now, let me turn it back to you, Dave.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks, Mike. I would like to spend the first few minutes of this morning's call providing an update on the state of the business and how COVID continues to present a challenge in the current environment. Later on, I'll provide more insight into each of our business segments. As you know, the coronavirus continues to significantly impact economic activity around the world. As we discussed on our year-end call in June, following the initial outbreak and subsequent shelter-in-place actions in March and April, local state and governments forced the closure of electric forklift and Class 8 over-the-road truck OEM customers, which had an immediate and significant effect on order rates. Our Q1 results reflect these temporary shutdowns, particularly in the Motive business. While all of these customers' facilities have since reopened, they have done so at a reduced capacity due to market demand and supply chain disruptions. Our factories have remained open throughout, given we are essential critical infrastructure suppliers in communications, information technology, defense, energy, transportation systems, and we have secured our global supply chain. One of our primary areas of focus throughout the pandemic has been on the health and safeties of our employees worldwide, and that focus won't change. Wherever possible, our employees continue to work from home, and every factory is operating in compliance with all applicable health and safety guidelines, rules and regulations. I am extremely proud of the continued adaptability of our employees in the face of this crisis, as they remain committed to delivering for our customers. In addition to prioritizing our employees' health, as we began experiencing lower demand during the quarter, we leveraged our business model by aggressively flexing costs and operating capacities at our facilities. Operations pushed extensive cost reduction actions in all areas, with a combination of furloughs, wage…

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Thank you. As David mentioned, we have changed the segment reporting in our financial statements to three lines of business rather than three geographic areas. Those three lines are Motive Power, Energy Systems and Specialty. This change reflects not only recent management changes, but more importantly, how we view our evolving business model with global customers, products and markets. Now, for those of you following along on our webcast, I am starting with slide 8. Our first quarter net sales decreased 10% over the prior year to $705 million due to a 11% decrease from volume, a 1% decrease in pricing along with a 2% decrease from currency, net of a 4% increase from acquisitions. On a line of business basis, our first quarter net sales in Motive Power were down 24% to $263 million, while Energy Systems' net sales were flat at $353 million, and Specialty increased 8% in the first quarter to $89 million. Motive Power suffered a 21% decline in volume due to the pandemic with smaller additional decreases in FX and pricing. Energy Systems had a 6% increase from acquisitions, offset by decreases of 1%, 2% and 3% in pricing, currency and volume, respectively. Specialty had 12% from the NorthStar acquisition, less 4% in volume declines. On a geographical basis, net sales for the Americas were down 5% year-over-year to $491 million, with 7% volume decline, net of a 4% increase from acquisitions, along with minor pricing and FX pressure. EMEA was down 22% to $159 million on 24% volume declines, and Asia was down 8% to $55 million, primarily due to a 7% of pressure arising from volume and currency combined. Please now refer to slide 9. On a sequential basis, first quarter net sales were down 10% compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal…

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks, Mike. Kevin, we will now open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Our first question comes from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Noah Kaye - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate the new segment reporting and the redesigned website looks good. So, well done there. Can we start with the TPPL capacity ramp and how that may start to impact the financials? If you start the high-speed line commissioning this month, and it sounds like the NorthStar integration and homologation to EnerSys TPPL product is really well underway here, or should we say just ramping at this point? Maybe you can provide some color on that. That implies you could be sort of in October with about $400 million or so of incremental TPPL revenue. Do I have that right?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks, Noah. And this transition and your reference to bringing everybody to the same standards has put a big drag in the last couple of quarters. And you see it acutely, you see that manufacturing variance drag in the Specialty segment. That's definitely going to start to improve as we ramp up new customers. Yes, your point is well taken. The product – I'm headed out there, I think, end of this month, and we're going to look at all of the new equipment. It's not just the high-speed line, but it's all the plate-making to feed it. We should be in a great position to bring on new and more customers starting, as you mentioned, in our second half. So, that's going to ramp up. It's not – we're not going to turn on the spigot and pick up $400 million overnight. It's going to take time for the ops team to bring it on and the sales guys, buy I'm very proud of our sales guys. Hopefully, you heard in the prepared remarks. They've done a great job of working with the ops team to get things teed up and cued up. In my 30 years at this business, it's been hard to get capacity – demand and supply in sync. I think we're doing a better job of that right now. So, we're very excited about that. And I've been getting videos every day of the new equipment as it comes online. It's frustrating that COVID slowed us down, but the team has responded. And I'm very excited about our second half. So, yeah, we're going to start to ramp that piece of our business up starting in our third quarter. Mike?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

And Noah, I guess, you threw out the $400 million of additional capacity. I think that's a decent number to use in terms of what that line is capable of doing when it's running at full production levels. What you might want to factor in is whether there might be cannibalization from other factories. So, it may not be a total $400 million because some of the other TPPL factories might have been able to make some of that product as well. So you'd want to temper that a little bit.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yeah, it's the ramp. Noah, one of the things that's been interesting in the course of this COVID crisis is how hard it's been to hire people. It's crazy. It's upside down. You look at the unemployment statistics. And every plant manager I have is screaming about their – how hard it is to get people into the factories right now. So, there's – it's won't be perfect. There's – but the hard part is over. The equipment looks great and the customers are queued up. So, we're excited. Noah Kaye - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Okay. Appreciate that color. Thanks. And then you talked a bit as you went through the new segments about demand patterns. I wonder if you could just expand a little bit more, certainly anything that you saw in July in terms of notable order pattern changes, improvements, deceleration. I would certainly be interested in your observations in the telecom broadband space. We knew that the telecom side of the business was picking up and we saw that here in the fiscal first quarter. But do you think broadband is already starting to come back as those safety margins are consumed, and what might that mean for this quarter?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

I'll let Mike give you the order numbers here and trends, four-week averages in aggregate here. It's mostly a Motive story. I think, hopefully, you've heard that. It's relative to our business plan, our budget for the year. And inside a Motive, it's a mix story. So, like the US food markets, they're holding up pretty well and that's an important part of the key drivers for the Motive business. Warehouse construction, that's still going strong with all the e-commerce. And then, it was really it's us trying to sort out the difference between supply and demand issues. How much of this was forced closures from government actions and how much is long-standing impact to the business? And I wish I had that clarity. That's why we're holding off on the guidance a little bit. In general, I can tell you, everything is getting better. The order rates are improving. Mike will give you those numbers here in a second. And then, to your point on the cable television customers, I can't tell you when. I know they're scrambling right now to handle all of the work from home, new users, people asking to upgrade their bandwidth speeds. They're going really well, but right now their initial focus is bringing on all those new subscribers. But as you point out, they're soaking up every ounce of safety margin they have. And that's just our initial focus and we expect things are going to continue. That's a great business and it's been a great business for a very long time and we continue – we still have great expectations for that. So, Mike, you want to talk specifically about the orders?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Well, just to give you kind of a broad look at it, when we look at our order pattern and looking at kind of the more current orders, those being the ones collected over those last four and then eight weeks averaged, and then the later ones, 12 and 16 weeks, so Motive Power has got an improving story, whereas the 12 and 16-week averages were more like down 20%, they're now down 10%. So, that is a deceleration of the decline that we saw year-over-year. Energy Systems, because of some of the strength of some of the work-from-home projects that the networks were doing to add capacity has stayed relatively flat, albeit there are some puts and takes within that portfolio of winners and losers in terms of who's doing well and not doing well. Our Specialty business, which was – this was where some of those truck – over the road truck OEMs were shut down early in our fiscal quarter and then reopened. So that's a good news story, whereas it was about a minus 5% order intake for those earlier periods is now a positive 5% year-over-year. So, I would say, and broadly, whereas we were as a total company about minus 10% in 12- or 16-week averages, we're now down to about minus 5%. So we're certainly narrowing the gap.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yes.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

And it's an improving situation based on order intake.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

And then, Noah, just remember, for our second quarter, it's just important to remember that we fight for a lot of our manufacturing variances. So, as much as we tried, and I'm really happy with the job the teams have done, you can never flex instantly. And so, you're going to – we're going to carry forward some pretty good – no, not good, pretty bad manufacturing variances from the first quarter incurreds into the second quarter. But I think what's really important to note is that the order rates are definitely recovering. And really – and I said in my remarks, we think it's our geographic and end market diversification that sort of helped us. And Mike has said for many years about the strength of our balance sheet and our business model. Commodities go down typically in these recessionary periods. And you see that in our cash flow numbers, that really, as Mike predicted, that fared well. So, we're feeling cautiously optimistic. But that said, we do have pressures. Europe was going to slow on Motive before COVID. And we've got some challenges to adapt to there, but in general, the environment is improving. Noah Kaye - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Yeah. That's very helpful. If I could sneak in one more? The timing is really interesting of your reporting the new segments and their margins in a quarter that is probably as unusual and lacking continuity as probably any you've experienced. And so, the margins that we see this quarter are not really sort of normalized margins for the business segments. But is there anything you can share with us in terms of how we should think about a normalized margin profile for each of the segments or any margin targets for the segments that you can share?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Well, I can also only say looking back historically that the margins at the gross profit line, and really even the operating earnings lines, are typically fairly similar. As you know, as a company, we tend to be in a gross profit percentage at about 25% of sales, and as you look at these segments, that's about where they track to. And most of them have 15% to 16% or 17% operating expenses at the moment, although those are declining from – those numbers are probably more representative of last fiscal year than what they are this year. So, with the objective that everybody has to deliver at least 10% of operating earnings, and the only caveat I would give you is that the Specialty business, especially as you think about it a year ago, we only had the NorthStar acquisition in it for the second half of the year. So it's got a little bit of a drag, as Dave mentioned, in the near-term compared to a prior year Q1 or Q2 comparison. But once you get to Q3 and Q4 when we do expect that high-speed line to start having a positive contribution, I think you'll see an improvement there. But given its smaller size at about $90 million per quarter, it's always going to have a little bit more volatility from some of these inputs than the bigger segments. But by and large, at least when you're starting your modeling, I would probably keep everybody in that 25% gross profit rate because they're not that much different in the aggregate.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

I agree, and I'm glad Mike pointed it out. I really wanted to stress that, Noah. I don't want anyone to make any bad assumptions about pricing or gross profits on the Specialty side. That's entirely manufacturing variance story and integration story, and should improve in the coming quarters. Noah Kaye - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Thank you. I appreciate the color.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks, Noah.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Drab with William Blair. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: Good morning. Congrats on the solid performance in a tough environment. Hey, can you maybe just comment further on operating expenses that came in? I know you're doing a lot of good cost cutting and there's lean activities that were initiated pre-COVID. It's about $6 million below my first quarter estimate in OpEx. I was wondering if you could help me model that going forward. And does some of that start to flex back in if volumes pick up?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

I guess, I would say, Noah, that when I look at... Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: It's Brian now, Mike. I know Noah was on for a while. It's Brian now.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Sorry, Brian. Go back to our friends at William Blair. When I look at our operating expenses, I would tell you that I think our selling expenses flexed very well. We've spent a lot of energy making sure that that gets right-sized, and so it's flexing well. The G&A expense is not quite as flexible because it has most of the overhead like David, myself, and we flex a little bit, but we're getting older, so we're not very flexible. And engineering's done a reasonable job. But I guess the two things I would tell you that have kind of been a big mover is the travel restrictions and not having collectively made – out of our 13,000 employees, there's probably about a thousand of them that tend to move and get on airplanes. And if none of them are traveling, it does have a collective impact and lowers your spend. And the other part that caught me a little bit by surprise was the reduction in some of our payments to our medical providers as some of the medical services were restricted over the pandemic, particularly in the early periods. And if people can't get access to their healthcare providers, the bills go down. And I didn't really anticipate that, but it's been fairly noticeable as well.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. Brian, I talk to the guys pretty much every day on this topic of really what this – I mean the silver lining in this is it shows how effective technology – some of these new Microsoft – my hat's off to the Microsoft team. We're using their 365 suite of products, and it's just done extremely well for us, been very stable. Push of a button I can be speaking to someone in China. And so, we need to do more of that. I think we've actually broken some golden idols recently. So we hope to not bring it all back. But I can't give you a number yet. I don't know. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: So not even – that's all really helpful. But not even directionally could you say what would you think for the second quarter if OpEx dollars are up or down?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

I think you're going to see, I mean, in general – and I realize we didn't give you guidance. But I would say, in general, you should expect Q2 to look pretty similar to Q1.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. I agree. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: Okay. Okay. Thanks. And then, can you talk a little bit more about the retail success that you mentioned in transportation? I think the one that you've announced – the partnership you've announced is with AutoZone. How many other partnerships now have you signed? And how kind of broad is your presence in that market at this point?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

It's improving. So we've done at least three more, let's say, material deals. And that piece of the business is going as planned. A couple of the areas, AutoZone is principally focused on premium retail. If you remember, we decided 2% of that addressable – 2% of that market was our addressable market. And then the other piece, and we mentioned this and we are starting to have some success, is focusing away from the OEMs on the Class 8 and putting more of our emphasis on the service and the replacement side and that's going well, too. The OEMs were – that was not a good story, frankly, with those forced closures. If we were only selling to the truck OEMs, we were going to have a lot worse quarter than we did. So that diversification is helping us and definitely going in the right direction. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: Okay, great. And then, just the last one. Can you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing in 5G? You mentioned AT&T specifically. You made some other comments around good momentum there. But are you seeing T-Mobile, Verizon, DISH, these companies starting to spend more and release more orders for 5G. And where do you stand in terms of what you think about the timing of 5G having a material impact on your revenue?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

We have discussions and programs going with all of those customers you just mentioned, but they're all a little bit different. I mean, as we've said, whether it's macro sites, if it's fiber build-outs, if it's central office – adding power to a central office, small cell site powering, we've talked to you a lot about, all of those areas of the network investment we will participate in. We've put special emphasis on the small cell powering, given that we feel like in the long run 5G will require to get the benefits that carriers are really looking for. They're going to need a small cell site sort of network topology. So we've put a lot of emphasis in that area. The Corning project we announced is very exciting. I don't want to get out ahead of Corning in terms of dimensioning. But they've talked about it on their analyst call. I know that we have visibility in the C-suite of a major carrier on this program. So it's a very exciting opportunity for us specifically, but we're seeing it across the board. It's really happening. They all have a different spin on it. Everybody's working in the different spectrum. Some is lower, mid-band, high-band. And we're trying to participate everywhere. The DISH opportunity is a little unique, given – in some ways, they're starting from scratch. So every one of them is a different story, but every one of those accounts, we have good momentum with. Not the same story in Europe, definitely not where we are in the US market. But maybe a year from now, that piece of the business is going to start to pick up as well. So very exciting, and it's just starting now in real earnest for us. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: In Europe, is that COVID-related or is it more just the market or your competitors? What's the situation?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

I think the Huawei situation is important. I think that these decisions on which telecom equipment OEMs to build their networks out with is a very important decision in the UK and France. So that's a piece of the story, as I said in my prepare remarks. I think that there's political reasons, there's spectrum issues. So it's behind, but it will come. It's just the nature and the evolution. And then, what we said for many, many quarters is our lives will only become more digitized. COVID, I think is – and this is something we talk about as a management team all the time, is going to change how view telecommuting. It's going to change – especially with some of our younger employees, this work-from-home, and all of these things are going to put more pressure on networks, not less. So, very – and in that sense, but certainly, the carriers are having their own challenges, getting their crafts out in the field. They've had some absentee issue – absenteeism issues to deal with. So, COVID, we can't say we've been COVID proof in that part of our business by any stretch, but in general, there's a lot of momentum building. Brian Drab - William Blair & Co. LLC: Okay. Thanks for all the detail.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

All right.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John Franzreb with Sidoti & Company. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Hey, Dave and Mike.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Hi, John. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: I'm going to combine this question into one because we're pressed for time here. But, Dave, can you expand on the Motive headwinds? You touched on that Motive Europe has been weak for a while. E-commerce was good. You said food was good. In light of what I'm seeing in some other, I don't know, call it, economic-related equipment, such as the Class 8 truck market, which orders with the best of the year in July. How come we're not seeing this similar kind of a rebound in the forklift market? And also, can you address what you think about the Class 8 OEM truck, given that order statement I just gave you?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. That's good. That's certainly improving. Look, I mean, if you look at the different pieces where electric forklift trucks are used heavily, light vehicle production, cars, sedans, that really got punched really hard with a lot of forced closures. So that's an impact. But how sustainable is that? I don't know. I don't have a good answer for you, but that's a big place. Warehouse construction, we mentioned looks really – looks fine. But in general, if you look at the non-defense capital goods, in that sort of a broad – if you take out the aircraft, it's just hard for me right now to tell you how much of this is going to drag beyond or into our H2. I just will remind you that we don't have any acute exposures into oil and gas, aviation, leisure, but economic activity is economic activity. And as you've noted for years that our Motive tends to ebb and flow with general industrial production statistics, things like that. So, Mike, do you have any – anything you want to add on that?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

No. Outside of – I actually hadn't seen the July width data yet, but I'm encouraged to hear John say that it was...

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

He said Class 8, right? That was Class 8? John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: That was a Class 8 truck. I was kind of alluding to the fact that other economically-sensitive equipment, vehicle equipment is rebounding sharply. And I was kind of curious why you're not seeing it in the forklift market.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Well, again, as we noted, we've clawed half way back on our order pattern. So we'll see how far we get by the end of this quarter, but it is improving, don't get me wrong. It's just – it's still – we watch the same news you do. And we still don't know if there's going to be a second round of closures or anything, so we're just being careful. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Okay. And if I can, about the Corning relationship, how does that change the economics for you going forward?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

We think that from a gross margin standpoint, that will be an accretive business. From a revenue standpoint, we think it potentially could be very material to our business. We've already invested in scores of engineers. That's already a drag on the P&L to do all the work and the approvals. We're through the early phases of approvals now. There's a lot of pressure from our big end user customer. And it does change things from an EnerSys perspective, because the wallet share is different than we've ever participated in before, and it really embodies where I wanted this part of the business to be, and we wanted to elevate. We wanted to be able to provide a fully-engineered turnkey system, which has the energy conversion, the enclosure, the energy storage with the batteries. It's exactly where – it just embodies where we've been trying to get to with this business, and we're very excited about it. It really is kind of what the future of EnerSys is going to look like more and more. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Okay. And one quick one, is there any chance we can get the 8-K filing with the restatement or reclassification at the segment data?

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Well, you bring up a good point, John, and that if we left it to the current way we would do our reporting, it'd be the balance of the year before you had a full year's worth of prior year restated for those segment changes. What I can do in the short-term, and this is for any of the analysts or anyone who's on the call that would like to have that information, this is to restate last year's what were geographical lines of business back down into a – or geographical area segmentation into a line of business, you can contact Steve Heir, our Investor Relations VP, and you can find his contact information on our website, and he can provide you that breakdown. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Great. Thanks a lot, Mike. I'll get back into queue.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Wasikowski with the Webber Research.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Hi, Greg. Greg Wasikowski - Webber Research & Advisory LLC: Hey, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in. How you're doing?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Good. Greg Wasikowski - Webber Research & Advisory LLC: So, I appreciate the new business line reporting. I just wanted to start with the chart on slide 3. I was curious if you guys had any like long-term objectives or goals for each of these segments. And then also, how do you see this pie chart evolving over the years?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

I think you're going to see higher growth in the Specialty sector as we bring on more of this – as we absorb more of this Thin Plate Pure Lead capacity. So I think you're going to see that that slice of the pie grow. I think the Motive Power revenue story, as we've alluded to, is not particularly a huge story, but we think the margins – really on the Motive slice, it's really going to be more of a margin focus, with some of our more advanced maintenance-free products. And then on the Energy Systems side, we should see some meaningful growth there as well as these 5G pieces grow. So, yeah, I would say the Energy Systems and the Specialty should both grow faster than Motive, Specialty growing the fastest. Greg Wasikowski - Webber Research & Advisory LLC: Okay, got it. That's helpful. And then, your answer on margins before was really helpful. So thanks for that. I want to dig in a little bit more on Specialty, in particularly defense. I find it's really interesting work. And just to the extent you're able to, can you talk a little bit more about the new contracts and the new work you're doing? And then also, what kind of margins you typically see for that?

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

The margin profile in that business tends to be highly accretive. And so, the – and a lot of the awards we've talked about are new contracts, new orders that have yet to show up in the revenue line. And there's a lot of engineering, obviously, that goes into supporting these types of programs. But in general – and then the Specialty business, transportation-wise, the sub-segment of transportation under there, is in an accretive business as well. So, margin wise, that is – the Specialty in the long run, I think, is going to be right at or higher than the other two business segments, but it's being dragged right now with this NorthStar acquisition, and kind of lining up the strategy. And we are – I mean, we can't hide from the fact that COVID has slowed those plants down, but it's coming quickly.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. And I would say, Greg, that on some of these new awards, there are typically is a period on the front-end for qualification where you may be doing some non-recurring engineering and that's not really – that's done more on a cost basis to validate the product works in the application. So, they're not a smooth profit margin. You may see it restricted on the front-end. And once it goes into full production, you would see the normalized margins that we would anticipate from the programs. Greg Wasikowski - Webber Research & Advisory LLC: Got it. All right. Thanks, guys.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

All right. Great.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Lewis with BTIG.

Gregory Lewis - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG.

Yes. Thank you and good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Realizing the calls are running a little bit late, I just had a one question. I mean, as I think about the – over the last two weeks, there's been a lot of power outages across the East Coast related to the tropical storm. Thinking about a potential opportunity, whether for energy storage with your utilities or industrial power customers, is there any way to think about that? Like, just given you guys have been through these before, does that like kind of result in any kind of opportunities or step up in business a couple of quarters down the road? Or is it something where these customers generally have a good sense for what they're doing? Just kind of any kind of color around that would be appreciated.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. It's a great question. And in my experience, what these outages do is they prioritize network resiliency, power resiliency at the C-suite of the carriers in the telecom world at the utilities. So, it tends to bring a heightened focus. Things like Y2K was an area where the condition of batteries, the condition of networks brought on a lot of business, the big power outages on the East Coast years ago. This year, we certainly paid attention to the number of storms that are being anticipated. So, it certainly brings heightened focus to the need for the kind of products that we provide. So, historically, we've definitely seen this – the more attention being paid, more CapEx being allocated to power resiliency after a storm like this. One of the things they've gotten better about, in the old days, oftentimes, the tidal surge would just wipe out some of the equipment and it would have to be replaced. But I think all of the carriers have done a better job of putting their base stations on platforms and things like that. So, it's really mostly now just a question of heightened focus and allocation of CapEx dollar. So, yeah, it should be a good thing for us.

Gregory Lewis - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG.

Okay. Thank you very much.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

Thank you for the question.

Michael J. Schmidtlein - EnerSys

Management

Yeah. Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Operator

And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over David Shaffer.

David M. Shaffer - EnerSys

Management

All right. Well, thank you all for taking your time today to attend the call. We look forward to providing further updates on our progress on our second quarter 2021 call in November. Have a great day, everyone. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.