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Enerpac Tool Group Corp. (EPAC)

Q4 2008 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 1, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Actuant Corporation’s fourth quarter fiscal 2008 earnings conference call. Today’s speakers are Bob Arzbaecher, President and CEO, and Andy Lampereur, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder this call contains forward-looking statements that are subject to the Safe Harbor language in Actuant’s press release issued today and in Actuant’s filings with the SEC. (Operator Instructions) It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Mr. Arzbaecher; please go ahead sir.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Good morning from Milwaukee, given the current economic environment in a number of our end markets we were pleased with our financial results for the fourth quarter. Our EPS at $0.54 on a diluted basis was at the higher end of our endorsed range of $0.51 to $0.55 per share. Andy is going to go through the quarter end detail, so I’ll shift to full year results. Fiscal 2008 was a year that we set many new records at Actuant. Sales were a record $1.66 billion, up 14% over 2007. Operating margins were 20 basis points higher to 13.3% and EBITDA margins were up 70 basis points to 16.2%. Free cash flow was $151 million and our free cash flow as a percentage of net income was 116%. We deployed $110 million in acquisitions during the year and announced and closed the Cortland acquisition of $230 million in September. EPS excluding restructuring items was $2.05, an 18% improvement over the comparable figure last year. Now I’m going to turn the call over to Andy to go through the financials and I’ll will come back and talk about my prospectus of our full year in 2008, the Cortland acquisition and our guidance for fiscal 2009.

Andy Lampereur

Management

Thanks Bob, good morning everyone. My first slide is a comparison of our fourth quarter sales and profits between this year and last. We generated $405 million of sales this year which was 4% higher then the prior year. As I’ll explain in a few minutes, the growth was driven by acquisitions, foreign currency rate changes as our core sales declined 4% during the quarter. EBITDA increased about $5 million to $70 million or 17.2% of sales. This represented 60 basis points of year-over-year margin expansion in the fourth quarter which was our sixth consecutive quarter of expansion. The continued improvement reflects favorable mix, price increases and cost reductions. Last year we reported $0.50 a share of fourth quarter earnings per share but that included a tax gain on some European Electrical restructuring costs. If we exclude both of these items, the comparable EPS from a year ago was $0.49. So excluding these one-time items last year EPS increased 10% year-over-year to $0.54 a share. The fourth quarter put a pretty good ramp on a very good year. As you can see on this slide we had sales and EPS growth as well as EBITDA margin expansion throughout all four quarters of fiscal 2008. The sales and EPS growth rate in the back half of the year was lower then the first half on account of the timing of acquisitions and weaker economic environment. In the fourth quarter in particular we saw our consumer facing markets such as marine, RV, electrical and automotive, become much more challenging. Conversely we saw a continued strength from our Industrial and Engineered Products segments which both reported strong core sales growth. In total for fiscal 2008 it was another record year. Sales increased 14% for the full year to $1.66 billion, EBITDA margins expanded…

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Thank you Andy, as we’ve already gone through with you, 2008 was a year of record financial results for Actuant; a result of our focus and execution of our business model shown here. Core growth of 1% coupled with acquisitions and favorable currency resulted in 14% sales growth. As Andy reviewed EBITDA margins expanded 70 basis points to 16.2% for the year; positive cash flow conversion of net income led to $151 million of free cash flow; EPS growth of 18% excluding one-time items. Simply stated we believe our business model is working. I’d like to tell you 2008 was an easy year but it wasn’t. Our consumer facing businesses, namely RV, marine, auto and most of the electrical segment, saw the markets deteriorate significantly as the year progressed. We tried to stay ahead of this decline closing facilities and downsizing our cost structure. But it was tough to catch up with this rapidly deteriorating situation. Despite this weakness our Industrial segment had a huge year with core growth and margin expansion. Industrial is our largest segment and given its high profitability dwarfed the weaknesses we had elsewhere. Our Engineered Products segment also had a good year with core growth of 10% and high teens EBITDA margins. Maxima, the largest asset within Engineered Products segment is turning out to be an excellent contributor to Actuant’s overall results. Probably more satisfying to me as CEO is this chart showing the consistent growth that Actuant has achieved over the last five years. This performance did not come by accident; it came with a lot of hard work by all of the Actuant employees. We’ve always done a good job of cutting costs and turning profits into cash flow. But our success over this seven year period has been to add growth to…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Deane Dray - Goldman Sachs

Deane Dray - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

On the spending you’re seeing out of the consumer obviously weak, but I was wondering how that compares in the US versus Europe. Both are likely weak but any nuances there in terms of the rate of change or anything specific that you’re seeing differently in Europe versus the US on the consumer side?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

It’s a difficult question to answer because of the diverse markets that we play in, for example there’s no RV market in Europe and there is here in the US. I would say in general I’d say the US is twice as bad as Europe when it comes to the rate of decline. That would be my best answer to that question.

Deane Dray - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Is that your estimate that the US is just further along in a similar pattern perhaps or are you seeing different cycles altogether or is it too uncertain to tell at this point?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

My own thesis and everybody has their own, but my own is that the US consumer has been outspending his means for awhile and kind of the housing crash slowed that down. So I don’t think Europe saw the same kind of situation so I don’t think it’s as dramatic of a decline because they never really levered up as much as the US consumer would.

Deane Dray - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Could you bridge the year-over-margins in Electrical between the impact of the lower production, mix, any raw material or pricing headwinds you saw there as well?

Andy Lampereur

Management

I would say that raw materials was not a significant factor in the fourth quarter. We did have certainly some increases along the way but we passed along price increases early on in the quarter. Mix definitely worked against us where some of our higher margin businesses such as marine in our North American electrical business which tend to be a little bit higher margins businesses were down but I don’t a specific bridge to say this much relates to this. Inventory reductions also played a part of that but mix and absorption probably the biggest piece of it.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

The two businesses on the top line that were the weakest were the DIY Electrical and the marine and these are two businesses that have higher profit then the comp type of business. So there was absolutely a mix issue between that sales decline.

Andy Lampereur

Management

Acquisitions also worked against us by about 50 basis points or so, mix was probably 1.5 point impact on it and the balance just being volume within the businesses coming through.

Deane Dray - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

And you’re getting the full run rate of the benefit of the Europe restructuring?

Andy Lampereur

Management

Yes. The profits were up year-over-year in that business.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst

It sounds like you are certainly reacting the best you can to some further weakening and I was wondering if you can quantify any kind of restructuring costs you would have absorbed in the quarter, I think you mentioned some downsizing and headcount reduction and then in the forward guidance if there’s anything else you’re contemplating or that’s underway, maybe quantify that and then qualitatively what actions you might be taking along those lines?

Andy Lampereur

Management

We had somewhere between $1.5 million flowed through during the quarter. A good chunk of that was in the Electrical segment. We had a little bit in Engineered Products as I mentioned with the facility closure provision. Its similar amounts to what we had earlier in the year. We have been reducing costs throughout the year and I think we’ve done a good job of balancing growth and cost reductions. What I mean by that is our headcount within Electrical year-over-year is down 20% on a year-over-year 10% decline in core sales growth. Conversely we are feeding our growing businesses like Industrial and Enerpac where our headcount is up about 10% on a 12% core growth. There’s restructuring that’s ongoing in these things and probably $1.5 million or so as I mentioned in the fourth quarter, a little bit higher then what we had anticipated in our guidance for the year.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

I think it will be more of the same next year. We are always doing restructuring, some of that comes right out of our lead process where you see inefficiencies and you pick up things. Two million, $3 million a quarter is pretty usual for us to be bouncing around with what I would call one-time. We don’t necessarily call those out to you every time, we’ll talk about them offline, or if you ask details, but it’s not the [inaudible] structuring where there’s a one-time charge and then basket against that one-time charge. So we’re always going to be doing some of those. The slowdown we’re seeing now leads you to drive more aggressively at a number of warehouse consolidations, where we’re not getting the efficiency. Plant utilization we look at across businesses and it leads to some movement of things around. We will be doing some of that types of stuff as we go through the year. I don’t think this is going to be a year you’re going to hear us talk about a restructuring charge or anything like that. I think we’ve already got a pretty lean business model and we’re going to be driving these kind of smaller level restructuring programs on a continuous basis. With Electrical and Actuation Systems being the places that probably have the most likely impact.

Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst

On Cortland, can you breakout what percentage of the sales will be going into Industrial versus Actuation, how the margins might be impacted on the overall segment just on a comparison basis, and I think you said nominally accretive, any kind of nuances within the first quarter inventory step-up of any quantity etc.?

Andy Lampereur

Management

Roughly $75 million is going to be going into the Industrial, roughly $25 million going into Actuation products representing the Sanlo business. From a margin standpoint given where our Industrial margins are the portion that’s going into Industrial will actually be a net drag or unfavorable, they’ll be lower then the Industrial margins whereas they’ll be above the margins in the Actuation Systems segment. With respect to what kind of impact this business will have on the first quarter in terms of EPS, we are just working through the valuations on this thing right now to understand exactly, to nail down the amortization, that’s a big part of the equation in this acquisition since there’s a fair amount of intangibles on it. There will be a hit, up front purchase accounting hit related to valuation of inventory and having that inventory turn in the first quarter so Cortland definitely does not help us in the first quarter from an EPS standpoint. It’ll probably be slightly negative from an EPS standpoint. For the full year we’ll recover that but the first quarter will be down.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets

Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

I think last quarter we were expecting the Actuation business to be up mid single-digits in fiscal 2009, right now its supposed to be down mid single-digit, the delta there, is that essentially RV or are you seeing somewhat of a more broad based slowdown in that segment?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

It’s clearly RV which was down almost 50% in the quarter. We didn’t see it that bad and so that’s a chunk of it. The other places we have seen some push out in automotive. This is not market share related, this is not anything to do with market conditions, its just has to do with auto builds. It’s a combination of both US and Europe so it’s not one or the other. And then the last place is we have started to see a little bit in the [cap tilt] product line, a little bit of slowing. That’s not the major piece but it is a smaller piece.

Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

When I look at EPS guidance we’re still looking at 10% to 15% EPS growth next year despite the fact sales will be flat to down a little on an organic basis, could you talk about what’s driving that EPS growth? Where are you getting that margin expansion from?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

One of the large pieces of it is just the mix. As we said 10% growth in Industrial and close to a 30% EBITDA ends up dwarfing some negative that happened on the core on the other side. Obviously you can model that. I don’t need to go much further on that but that is probably the largest chunk. The next piece would be the Europe Electrical restructuring. If you recollect that was a $7 million or so restructuring initiative that would be a benefit? We got some of that in 2008; we’ll get the rest of it in 2009 so that’s going through. We closed our Cottage Grove, Oregon facility about three quarters of the way through the year. That’s a piece. Our lead process is a piece. The Taicang location, we had some start-up costs last year, those don’t repeat. We’re up and running there. So I would put those as my top things.

Andy Lampereur

Management

Within Electrical we clearly have been pulling a lot of cost out. We talked about that earlier, my reference to the 20% headcount reduction and a 10% down a year. We have been combining plants within the marine segment in particular. We’ve been putting, even though we’re looking at a slowdown, we have been putting ERP systems in to help from a rationalization standpoint trying to leverage some of the back office functions, that sort of thing. So the BH business as an example is now on the same system as Marinco. We have all three of our transformer businesses will now be on the same. So its those types of items but clearly the biggest one by far is the fact that you have the flagship segment being Industrial growing in a 10% plus range with margins that are in the 30% range. That is the big piece that is driving the ship here as well as the interest expense reduction from cash flow.

Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

When you look at, you talked about the credit markets having to tighten up a bit given that backdrop can you talk about how the acquisition pipeline looks and do we sit in the scenario where even if valuations come down, the ability to potentially do sizable deals will shrink because of the credit markets?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

I think the answer is it is so dynamic right now that that’s, if I give you an answer today it will change tomorrow. Andy was telling me this morning that LIBOR in the last 24 hours has moved on a significant basis. That currency in the last 24 hours has moved four basis points from the euro to dollar so it is an incredibly dynamic market. What that’s led to is some auctions that are really getting strained right now. Candidly Cortland was an auction and we saw a little of that, and that happened before some of the things we’re talking about happened. I believe that there is going to be good opportunities for acquisitions over the next year that it’s going to be much more of a buyers market then a sellers market. I wouldn’t say we’ve seen it yet, but I would tell you that some of the things in the funnel are more reasonably priced and it’s a little more of a buyers market. On top of all that you have to have the credit profile to deal with it. We’re in great shape there. We lowered, as you know our fairway was two to three times debt to EBITDA, and prior to the Cortland deal we dropped down to about 1.7. Cortland moves us back up to 2.3 but with $160 million of free cash flow on an annual basis it rapidly goes back down. So we have a lot of horsepower there and I believe its going to be a good time to be an acquirer because I just think you’ve got a fundamental shift to a buyers market from a sellers market.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Graham – Unspecified Company Scott Graham – Unspecified Company: Is there anything that you, you did a great job in summing up some of the drivers for the operating margin in 2008, is there anything that you’re contemplating let’s say over and above what you were a month or two months ago that is either at the ready or maybe even further then that to drive the margin and what is going to be obviously a bit of a pocket here in between some of your weaker end markets and then maybe the truck business picking up and one or two other areas possibly picking up, but in these next couple of quarters has the market environment really had you go back to into the room and maybe come up with even more potential opportunities and strategies to cut costs?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Clearly the kind of slowdown we saw in Electrical at 19% core is going to get you to focus on, if that’s a sustainable loss. Some of that was one-time in nature, sold off that business line and comp and had some SKU reductions, but if you get through that and you come to the conclusion that the end markets are going to stay that substantially negative, you have to look at cost opportunities. Our senior team does that pretty seamlessly. All the guys are the segment leaders all reside here in Milwaukee. We meet with business leaders four or five times a year in a big group session and we go through this and I think we as an organization don’t play a lot of politics in trying to get to the right answer. We just lay it out and go through that. But again you have to focus on the diversified business model of Actuant. It was only three years ago that everybody loved our DIY business. The consumer was spending. Everybody liked it. If you’re going to make the conclusion that the consumer is going to be out of play for the next three years, we would take different actions. I don’t think we’re there. I think we believe that a lot of this stuff will shake its way through. So combination of looking for opportunities, the diverse business model, its easy to focus on these consumer things and lose track of the fact that Industrial is up in double-digits with a 30% EBITDA. So I think we are playing this out just the way Actuant always does. The market, the things that are happening now are not significantly changing our behavior. Scott Graham – Unspecified Company: The Cortland acquisition looks like its got synergies across a couple of business units, let alone geographies. Is this a business where we could see fairly quickly in 2009 some sale synergies from running some of those products through some other distribution and would you expect the $100 million in sales of Cortland to be up year-over-year in 2009?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

I do think there’ll be some synergies with base businesses but none of that is baked in the guidance we gave you. Cortland will grow in 2009 on its own. It’s a strong growth business. It grows similar if not faster then Hydratight kind of zip code. So it’s playing in those same markets. So we will get growth out of the Cortland asset in 2009. I think what’s interesting about Cortland is it feels to me like it is of similar platform that Hydratight did a few years back. We started Hydratight as a bolting product line and morphed into a joint integrity. Cortland is starting as an umbilical cable business and I just feel like there’s going to be opportunities to take that into a broader area. Whether that’s connections at the other ends of these cables, whether its taking the performance rope business into some markets that are non oil and gas related. I just feel like there’s things that are going to happen as part of that kind of mini diversified conglomerate of Cortland that are going to be opportunities for us and our goal is to go sniff those out as fast as we can. Scott Graham – Unspecified Company: The pipeline you have been talking about how fat and how healthy things are, how many things you’re looking at without necessarily quantifying for some time, Cortland is obviously a big win for you in terms of getting it done. What’s next? You’ve obviously made your calendar year 2008 however you want to measure that time wise acquisition, capital deployment number, now with the markets where they are, with becoming more of a buyers market as you’ve alluded to, combined with the comments that you’ve made previously that the pipeline was pretty fat I thought that that meant that there was more then Cortland in it, where do you see acquisitions shaking out in the next six months?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

The reality is, and Cortland is in a microcosm a way of just recognizing that you give any guidance on acquisitions, you’re going to be wrong. They just come out lumpy. We were getting a little beat up on the last quarterly call, geez you guys did only $110 million during the fiscal year, you were talking $150 to $200 million and you bumped it, how did you get there? And now we’re sitting here with the big Cortland right out of the box at $230 million. When I context it all I still would like to do three to four more tuck-ins, $20 to $50 million in size where at Industrial, Enerpac, Cortland, Electrical, we are looking at all of these kind of places for continued bolt in and the funnel has pretty good activity in all of those areas. In addition to that there still are some platforms in the funnel. Cortland was the one we were referring to saying that we thought we’d get it done and we did get it done so Cortland was one of them but there are some other ones in there. You have to index that with what’s going on in the credit markets, what we can afford, want to stay in the two to three times fairway. All the other things that come into play but there are Cortland-esk type things still in the funnel that are bigger. I wouldn’t say we modeled those, clearly none of that is in the guidance for the rest of the year, but I think you’ll still see acquisition activity both large and small and the large ones are more lumpier and I don’t know if it’s the next 12 months that that happens or further out.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Analyst

It seems like the guidance for next year is highly dependent on continued success in the Industrial segment and with the ISM out this morning for September its 43.5 which is the lowest level since 2001, I know one month doesn’t necessarily make a trend but have you seen any changes in buying patterns for Enerpac and specifically can you comment on any activity level changes you’re seeing in the US or Europe? It definitely feels like Europe is weakening relatively quickly.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

I start with the fact that Enerpac is incredibly diverse; geography, product lines, etc. So you’ve got to take that into account, 40% in the US, 40% in Europe, 20% in Asia. Hydratight even smaller in the US, larger outside of the US so you’ve got very diverse businesses here that make that up. You are not going to have a change that happens in a month or a quarter like you can in RV or auto or electrical. That gives me a lot of comfort in terms of giving you the prediction for the year. We have seen that we’ve had moderating growth in North America and this quarter it moderated again for Enerpac. I’m not going to give you the specific numbers but still positive, still doing well but its moderating and I think the ISM number you’re talking about probably is online with that. Your Europe question that it’s slowing rapidly, most of our slowing rapidly happened due not to the Industrial business but more to the consumer facing businesses, the auto that we talked about the Europe Electrical that we talked about earlier. I am not a believer that Europe is in a rapid decline, tight situation. We haven’t seen that within the Industrial assets. Again you’ve got to recognize a lot of our Industrial assets in Europe are in the North Sea where they are pumping every barrel that you could humanly man. A lot of Enerpac’s growth in on infrastructure and things that get funded well in advance of anything that would correlate to ISM. I don’t we’re expecting or seeing any kind of huge change in Europe and with the diversity of this Industrial platform I get a lot of comfort that this isn’t going to surprise me quickly.

Andy Lampereur

Management

When you look at 2009 I think something that should give you comfort is when you look at that guidance for that segment of roughly 10% top line Enerpac growth is quite a bit less then Hydratight’s expected growth for next year and that does reflect more to your comment on ISM as far as directionally. What is happening, Enerpac will continue to moderate. There’s no question in our view on that. Hydratight we are not seeing any signs of moderation at all so again the growth there is coming from the Enerpac side.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

And again we’re showing 30% moderation in the growth rate. We’re at 14% today and we’re endorsing 10% for next year so you’ve already got some of that factored into the guidance.

Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Analyst

I know you announced pretty substantial price hikes in Enerpac mid this year, how much of the growth next year would be just carry-over or incremental price increases?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

We don’t track that number.

Andy Lampereur

Management

Probably 3% or 4%.

Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Analyst

On the European truck market, it seems like that’s been one of the better performing businesses certainly for you this year, there’s some announcements out yesterday that both Volvo and [Scania] were cutting production, and I think those are two of your largest customers in Europe. Is that factored into your guidance and do you have a view on how the truck business will perform for you this year?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Kind of what I referred to when somebody asked what were the pieces, we have seen a little bit of diminishment in the truck. We’re in the kind of zero to 5% decline zip code for next year. And I think that’s in line with the most current data that we’re getting as a supplier to Volvo to [Scania], all the gang.

Andy Lampereur

Management

That would be the whole Power-Packer global truck business so you’re getting a little bit of benefit of China growth offsetting that but we are expecting for the full year Europe to be down.

Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Analyst

Your comment that you said getting to the bottom of the guidance would still be a solid or strong result, what are the key moving pieces there, is it really mainly that Electrical continues to go down or the fact that some of these tuck-in acquisitions perhaps don’t happen early enough to move the needle which historically that’s kind of been one of the enablers of your earnings growth throughout the year?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Is your question what’s the delta between the high and the low end of the range, what would be the things that move us to one or the other?

Curt Woodworth - JP Morgan

Analyst

Well it seemed like your comment that even getting to the low end would still be a pretty good result, it seems like the bias would maybe be towards the low end, those are my words not yours, but what is your view that would maybe change that sentiment going throughout the year? Do you need more acquisitions or is it hope for stabilization in Electrical--?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

The major reason for putting the comment in the prepared remarks is the analysts that cover Actuant historically all camp at the top end of the guidance range. And we’ve always given it at a range and I’ve had a couple of guys laugh and say it might sound like a range but its never a range, you’re at the top or you’re a few pennies above the top. All I’m telling you is 2009, it is a range. I think there’s an equal probability of the top and the bottom and that’s our current outlook so that’s what I was trying to convey where I said the bottom side is a satisfactory outcome. Let’s face reality; the bottom side of that range is 10% EPS growth. Its $160 million of free cash flow, 7% 8% up from the prior year. These are still damn good performance given what is going on in some of these end markets and that’s where our head is. So that’s kind of my color on the comments. When you ask what’s going to affect the top and the bottom, I think FX is probably the thing that I have no control over. It’s translational. We manufacture in the various zip codes we’re in but it does affect it and if you just go with what the euro has done since we gave that original guidance we’ve got a six, eight, $0.10 headwind right out of the box. That’s the difference between the top end of my range and the bottom. So great example of that. The other one that will drive it is the mix. If Hydratight and Enerpac can do a little better, that will drive powerful mix in terms of the total. That would probably be the ones that I focus on. Obviously the consumer, we’re not expecting Europe, you know Electrical will be down 19%. It’s going to start a little slower. I don’t think this recovery is going to come right away but I would expect the back half of our year in Electrical is going to feel a lot better then it does at this exact point in time.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: On Cortland, I’m hearing I think that you think organic growth in that business could be in the same kind of range that you’re talking about for the Industrial segment, around 10%?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Correct. Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: In terms of the impact on your first quarter guidance from purchase accounting affects, the inventory write-up, can you give us an idea of what kind of number that might be? I was speculating as much as $0.03 or $0.04?

Andy Lampereur

Management

It wouldn’t be that much. I think try talking $0.01 or $0.02, the net result from that acquisition in the quarter.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Obviously it gets accretive in the back half of the year and we’re thinking $0.01 for the year. Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: Hearing your comments about some push outs in automotive, are you still looking for that, you’ve been talking about that business being up double-digits in 2009, are you still looking for it to be up in 2009?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Flat to down a little bit. Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: The SKU cuts in Europe, when do we anniversary that?

Andy Lampereur

Management

The second quarter. Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: So we’ll two quarters of sort of comparable year-over-year affects?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Yes. But recognize that doesn’t come with much profit attached to it. Robert McCarthy – Robert W. Baird: Absent that affect, are you, what are you thinking about in terms of organic growth in the European Electrical business this coming year? Are you also figuring you’re down besides that or no you’d be up if not for that?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

We’ll be flat to maybe down a few percent.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Analyst

Analyst

Analyst

How would you compare the sales declines you’re experiencing in the domestic DIY channel versus the traffic patterns you’re seeing from those retailers?

Andy Lampereur

Management

The sales declines we’re seeing are higher then the traffic going through there because of the items that I talked about as far as loss of some Lowe’s volume earlier on in the year. We’re seeing that. If we would look at Lowe’s and Home Depot excluding that, I think we’re pretty much tracking what their seeing as far as the Electrical aisle and that sort of thing to their overall same store sales decline. Our revenues declined more then theirs because of that market share shift.

Analyst

Analyst

Do you know what that decline would have been in round numbers had the Lowe’s business been in there?

Andy Lampereur

Management

Probably six to seven down.

Operator

Operator

Your final question comes from the line of Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company] Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: By your comments you seem to be making a case that Enerpac is a far better positioned business as we enter this economic grinder compared to the last time we faced big time headwinds. Is that a fair statement?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Yes, I think that’s accurate. It is in better shape and a number of reasons for that. Number one, I think we’re much more organized on an infrastructure type of view then we were back then where it was more of a product line. We have actual businesses within the Enerpac model that focus only on the large global infrastructure projects. So that’s been powerful. I think we’ve got very good focus on some of the commodity oriented businesses; oil and gas, mining, some alternate energy and wind has been a great business for us, bridge building, bridge launching. These have been just terrific. That was true. In the last two things, we had nothing in China. We had a distributor in China; we now have our own sales force. It’s gone from maybe $4 million through distribution to $20 million with our own group and the same distributors. Then the last thing, more of a cost issue, but we’ve really done a good job of globalizing the purchasing organization of Enerpac. If you went to Taicang our new facility today, a lot of the cylinders and pumps, some of the lower sophisticated items are there. And those are the ones that in a downturn we had trouble holding onto and I think we’re in a much better position to really hang onto that. Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: Would it be a proper follow-on then to pose whether you believe that Enerpac can stay in a tough environment closer to flat and that we’re in a big time deceleration as we play here today and even if Enerpac lags, I would think by the back half of 2009 moving into 2010, things would begin to catch up with most companies that are addressing these markets?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

I think flat would be probably maybe a touch too optimistic. But in the last cycle Enerpac was down kind of 20, it got to a maximum of maybe 20. I’m talking the 1990, 1991, it was down maybe 20. And what I’m guessing it would be five-ish at the trough just due to the global nature of it. Our goal would be to fill that five in with tuck-in acquisitions. There’s a fair amount of things in our funnel. I think the TK, I think the Precision Sherlock, TTF, these are all good examples where those small tuck-ins can offset some core decline within Enerpac and with the global nature of that distribution you get synergies in the sales point of view pretty quickly. Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: On Cortland is there a fair amount of transitory amortization that touches along with the inventory step-up that touches 2009 so that the penny of accretion that you’re describing is not a real view of what the near-term effect is of that acquisition?

Andy Lampereur

Management

Yes, we’re estimating there’s going to be somewhere between $6 and $7 million of amortization on this deal that’s non-cash so that from a cash EPS standpoint would get us up into $0.05 or $0.06 of cash EPS for the year.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

When we gave you the penny accretion that was a GAAP number. Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: Does that $6 to $7 million go away in some finite timeframe?

Andy Lampereur

Management

No, it’ll be with us for several years. There’s nothing real short-term. Its going to be there five, 10 years. Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: Is the reason why you have that because there’s more of a customer list orientation to this business then many intangible approaches?

Andy Lampereur

Management

Yes, there’s not a lot of value and non-competes in this one which tend to be short-term oriented. It is more a customer list and trademarks and that kind of stuff. Dana Walker – [Unspecified Company]: How would you describe their market share in their given markets and do you believe you have room to grow in those markets, whether it’s organic and/or through further business development?

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

We absolutely have room to grow. A lot of the market share data that we were given by the Cortland team focused on the North Sea because that’s really where a lot of their offshore stuff is. They don’t have much of a presence in the Gulf. But even with that being the case, they’re number one in diving and diving, commercial diving umbilicals. That’s a great market. They’re number one in the seismic product. As I talked about earlier they’ve done a number of technology things to that that take weight out of that and actually weight is a big issue if you’re towing these things behind. Its 8% or 9% fuel savings by having it be more efficient. So they have really, with that new technology, have really started dominating the seismic market. There’s a lot of focus on what’s called dynamic umbilicals versus static umbilicals. A static would be something that just sits on an ocean floor and brings in a windmill that might be offshore or something. Cortland is focused on the dynamic side so it’s a niche within the umbilicals market. And that’s been, they’re the dominant player in the dynamic side of that market.

Operator

Operator

There are no additional questions at this time; I would like to turn it back over to management for any additional or closing comments.

Bob Arzbaecher

Management

Before signing off today I’d like to remind you that tomorrow is Actuant’s Annual Investor’s Day in New York City. It’s at the New York Hilton in Midtown. We’ll be reviewing the 2008 accomplishments in a little more detail. It’ll give you a chance to poke at the business executive council members who really drive these segments. It runs from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm New York time tomorrow. Thank you very much and good evening.