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EPAM Systems, Inc. (EPAM)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 26, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the EPAM Systems Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2014 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ms. Lilya Chernova. Thank you, you may begin.

Lilya Chernova

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. By now, you should have received your copy of the earnings release for the company's fourth quarter and full year 2014 results. If you have not, a copy is available on our website at epam.com. The speakers on today's call are Arkadiy Dobkin, CEO and President; and Anthony Conte, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some of the comments made on today's call and some of the responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties as described in the company's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. Arkadiy?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Thank you, Lilya. And good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. I am pleased to report that while the fourth quarter showed some challenges, primarily with the currency volatility in several of our markets and the continuing conflict in the Ukraine, it proved to be another strong quarter for EPAM. So despite of all that, we closed with revenue of USD 202.2 million, above consensus and at top end of guidance, it's 28% over prior year and 5% above last quarter. While I would note that this was the first quarter for us with over $200 million in revenue and we were very proud of that, I still would like to highlight the fact that if you look at our results in constant-currency basis, year-over-year growth would have been close to 37%, and sequentially Q4 would show 9% growth. Clearly, Russian rubles were the primary challenge but we also had exposure related to the euros, pounds, Canadian dollars and Swiss francs. For the full 2014, we are finishing at the top end of our guidance at USD 730 million, which is 31% over previous year. At the same time, please note that for those last 12 months we lost approximately $15 million in revenue, making our constant currency growth at 34.2% for the full year. Anthony will provide more detail into the financial results and more clarity around the currency situation and impact on the full P&L. At this moment, I would like to share some highlights to 2014, which was a very different year than we expected 12 months ago when we tried to predict our future. For the first time in our history, we've had to deal not with high-tech or general financial crises as we experienced in 2000 and 2001 and then in 2008 and 2009.…

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Thank you, Ark. Good morning, everyone. I want to spend a few minutes taking you through the fourth quarter and full-year results, then I'll talk more about our 2015 outlook. As usual, the full details of our results can be found in our press release and on the quarterly fact sheet located in the Investors section of our website. As Ark mentioned, Q4 was another great milestone for EPAM as we had our first quarter of revenue over $200 million. Fourth quarter revenues grew 28.3% over last year and about 5% sequentially to $202.2 million. This was at the top end of our guidance and with a full year, we ended at $730 million, which was 31.5% growth over prior year. The currency situation was clearly a big issue for revenue in this quarter, led by the precipitous decline in the Russian ruble and lesser declines in another key currencies. During the quarter, we lost over $13 million in currency versus last year alone and almost $8 million sequentially. On a constant-currency basis, we grew 36.7% over Q4 last year and 9% sequentially. For the full year, we lost approximately $15 million, making our constant-currency growth 34.2% for the full year. Based on our Q4 currency breakdown, we're still over 60% of our revenue base in U.S. dollars. The great British pound and the euro account for approximately 18%, Canadian dollar is 7%, Swiss franc's at 5% and the Russian ruble is down to only 5%. The remaining 5% is spread across a number of different currencies, none of which account for more than 1% individually. North America remains our largest segment, representing 50.4% of our full-year revenue, up 30.4% year-over-year. Europe was up 42.3% year-over-year now representing 39% of revenue. CIS, given all the troubles, was actually down 15%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Just to be clear, Anthony, looking at your calendar year 2015 guidance, are you factoring any FX headwinds in those numbers or should we kind of consider these more in the line of constant-currency revenue growth guidance?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

What we did for our forecast is we used the average rates over Jan and Feb and built that into it and assumed that stayed constant. So that is what we've used and any movements off of that average will impact our forecast.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Okay, understood. And then, and if -- let's say, we're not looking at the FX headwinds or in the FX volatility, should we assume that this preliminary guidance is going to be to what we've done in the past, which is, we're starting the year pretty conservatively and then assuming that if all the assumptions are correct, the numbers will gradually move higher throughout the year?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

It's hard to say. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of uncertainties with the currency potential. And given where things are going from a -- just a macroeconomic picture in the CIS region, so there's number of variables into that. So this is kind of our view as we sit here today.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Cowen and Company

All right. And then follow-up question, your assumptions for organic growth for 2015?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Well, organic growth is -- it's an interesting picture because we're seeing drops in the CIS region, so it's hard to break that apart. Plus, the acquisitions have been fully integrated at this point so we're actually -- it's difficult to pull apart things like GGA and Jointech, which are now cross-selling between accounts and have become essentially business units within the EPAM infrastructure. Having said that, we're going to see organically a pretty significant drop in our Russia business, both due to the severe currency drop and the macroeconomic situation, which is pulling back from there. But North America and Europe are continuing to grow over 20% in first quarter and will be in the mid-20s for the full year organically. At least that's our view sitting here today.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Milunovich with UBS.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

This is Peter Christiansen in for Steve Milunovich. Anthony, can you talk about the expectations for FX savings to the operating margin? And also, with the new depreciation expense going forward, do you anticipate still having that 17% -- 16% to 17% non-GAAP operating margin in '15?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

The answer to the last question, yes. The operating margin range of 16% to 18% is still our goal for 2015, so we expect to stay in that range. And I'm sorry, Peter, I'm not sure I fully understood the first part of the question.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

So assuming that there will be some operating savings with the currency impact and in addition to a lower depreciation charge going forward, as a result of the recent write-down, can you quantify what that saving could be? And I'm assuming that you're going to reinvest that back into the business throughout the year?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

I assume you are -- the write-down you're speaking to is the Russia goodwill impairment, correct?

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Correct.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Yes. That, actually, does not get depreciated at all. So goodwill from an accounting perspective does not get depreciated throughout the year, it gets assessed on an annual basis for impairment. If there's no impairment, the balance stays, if there's an impairment, you take the write-down. So there's really no change to our depreciation because of that write-down. It's a onetime event, will not impact anything going forward. And as far as savings from currency, the short answer is most likely. If we have savings and benefits we will continue to use those to invest in the business and keep our operating margin in that 16% to 18% range.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

That's very helpful. And then, in the beginning of last year, you were predicting 21% to 23%. It looks like on a constant-currency basis, organic growth was somewhere in the high 20s. Can you talk about what really drove that outperformance this year, any specific verticals would be helpful?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

I think it's very much in line with what we've said in during previous calls, like the top line revenue we're growing a lot by financial services but also -- but retail vertical. Plus we added life science and health care, and life science was performing well, too. So -- but probably, the better look would be not specific vertical but what type of work we do, and then that's again, back to our continuous message on mixing digital strategy and experienced design together with our engineering skills and building this new type of systems of engagement. We've won a number of programs during the 2014 which we couldn't even, like, consider that we will be doing, like, in 2012 or even 2013, based on new kind of integration of skills and that was actually driving additional work around these programs as well. I think that probably would be the shortest answer to your question.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

That's helpful. And then lastly for me, in terms of the currency impact on your cost base, particularly your Russian operation, how have you factored in wage inflation? Is there a potential that you could begin dollar index -- using dollar index to compensate your Russian-based employees?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

So we're clearly looking at the market situation, labor market situation and right now, we don't see a necessity to do this. And I don't think market reacting in this way to index it to the dollars. But again, we'll be looking at the situation and see what we have to do to be competitive on the labor market.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Also, Peter, one correction. You'd mentioned organic growth in the high 20s. It was actually, organic growth was more around 25% in 2014.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Excluding currency?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

On I'm sorry, you said constant currency? Sorry, I missed that piece. But, then you're correct.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Constant currency.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Jason Kupferberg with Jefferies.

Jason Kupferberg - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Just another one on FX to kind of put a fine point on it. So can you just lay out for us exactly what the headwind is assumed? Just -- I know you're holding kind of the 2015 year-to-date rate constant. So does that -- where does that leave us? Is that somewhere in the neighborhood of like an 8% FX headwind that's baked into the 21% to 23%?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

It's actually more around 6% headwind that we're seeing across all the various currencies.

Jason Kupferberg - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then how does it net out at the EPS line, just, given some of the associated cost benefits, is it still a headwind on EPS?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Yes. It is a slight headwind on EPS or -- yes, on EPS depending on where share count ends up, obviously. But yes, it's a slight headwind still on EPS.

Jason Kupferberg - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, understood. And then, just if we look at the quarterly cadence of what you're expecting in terms of margins and expenses, I mean, at least relative to what the Street was modeling the Q1 EPS is lower, but, obviously the full year looks just fine. So is there any inordinate amount of expense, timing related in Q1, for example or how should we be thinking about quarterly progression of margins?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Yes. We had the same issue last year with the consensus. It kind of straight lines it a little bit more than our true trend. Q1 for us is a little bit of a squeezed quarter because revenue is typically flat-to-down, and we also put in place all our promotions and wage increases. So you end up with a little bit of a compression in Q1, that then, as customers really budget and revenue starts to grow throughout the year, you see the expansion again. So Q1's always a little bit of a squeeze. We had the same issue last year with consensus.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Plus we see holidays in Eastern Europe.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Right, yes. We have the orthodox holidays in Eastern Europe and that just brings revenue down, plus a lot of budget cycles are slow to pick up until Feb, March.

Jason Kupferberg - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Right. Okay. And then just last one for me. If we just think about Ukraine specifically, and -- Ark, I know you spend lot of time in the region in general, can you just give us sort of the latest bird's-eye view on what is happening with the operations across Europe, half a dozen or so developments in the country? I know that none of them are especially close to where the bulk of the military conflicts have been occurring, but have you had to move any folks around, among those Ukraine centers or outside of Ukraine to Belarus or elsewhere?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Yes, we didn't run special programs to relocate people on purpose from Ukraine to like Eastern Europe to Central Eastern Europe or any other locations. But we have internally, what we call mobility program, when people who would like to be relocated apply. And probably, inside of this program it was slightly higher number of people than usual. But based on the, kind of, day-to-day situation it's pretty normal, again, in line with what we have communicated during the last quarters. So yes, there is -- there are concerns and we don't know what could happen. There are still, but again, operations right now as usual and there is some movement of people, but again, it's not like in dramatically high numbers than before.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company. Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Anthony, as we look at the revenue growth for fiscal '15, could you help us break it down between headcount growth utilization and any pricing increments you're expecting in '15?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

Sure. Headcount growth in '15 that we are assuming is going to be fairly in line with what we were looking at this past year, probably somewhere in the 20% range as far as growing organic headcount, could be a little bit lighter than that. And as far as bill rates, we're seeing a pretty consistent trend. We've always talked about 7%, 8% bill rates, it's coming in roughly around that same range. We're still, obviously, getting actuals in from our customers and seeing where things are going to fall in but that's what we're assuming at this point, is something that is with past years. Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Okay. So that would imply utilization basically remains flattish with where you've finished '14?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

Yes. I mean, we finished out '14 at 77% so we expect utilization to remain right around that range, 77%, maybe 78%, but it's not going to get much higher than that. Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Okay. And then I wanted to get some color on your expectations for wage inflation in '15 and also, what are you seeing on the employee-attrition front in your various geographies?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

So in general, we're expecting similar numbers historically. But clearly, wage inflation right now is a big factor of again, currency rates exchanges. So we are working on this and we -- like with the previous equations, we're looking what the trend's going to be. So at this point, we expect similar numbers like previous years.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

So my model includes consistent figures of past years. Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Which would be high-single digits, is that in the ballpark?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

Yes.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

Correct. For both of them.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

Right. Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Okay. All for attrition and for rate inflation. Got it. And then one last question, just your comments around competition. Any new players out there you're seeing, what have your win rates been like, lately? Any change at the margin that you're seeing on the competitive side would be helpful.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company

You see, the market is so big and there are so many players that I don't think any specific 1 player will change the situation. And as we said before, in different segments of our markets, we compete with different players. So far we didn't see any significant changes, like maybe, the most interesting is still consolidation around like, Sapient become part of the agency right now together with the same [indiscernible] and that might be interesting impact on the some part of market we targeted -- targeting right now. So, but in general, I think we see very consistent [indiscernible] and competition.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

One question I had was, 2014, obviously, a year of transition, you took a lot of different steps to diversify and so on. You mentioned preparing for the next phase. How should the financial model look like in the next couple of years in terms of your ability to sustain a low 20s -- low- to mid-20s topline growth, the 16% to 18% margin, the ability to win maybe, larger contracts, things like that?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

When you're asking how financial model should look like, what do you mean?

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

I mean, will it be, one, now that you've made some of these investments, maybe if you go after larger contract, does that affect maybe your ability to grow faster? Is there a price to be paid in terms of operating profitability?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

Yes. I think we -- and it's very difficult to see over the -- and see what kind of impact will be happening with the next year. We're looking still like -- as today, we're giving guidance for the next year and we're looking to the market, because we clearly would like to, first of all, create a value to the clients, that would give us this growth which we hope in a 20-plus percentage. And how specifically it would impact our margins in longer, longer term, we don't know. Because, like what we're doing right now is something unusual for us, we're bringing in very different capabilities and really trying to integrate them and harmonize it across the company, which sometimes putting us in an unexpected kind of ground. That's why I don't think I can give you any more data than we're sharing right now. I think we hope that with these new capabilities and this like -- you're absolutely right, 2014 was a very interesting year for us when we brought different capabilities. But some of them, still, like when we -- when, for example, Anthony mentioned fully integrated, they kind of fully -- at good extent, integrated from the approaching clients. From integration and putting the team together, which is harmonized teams working to one goal and working very effectively together is still a lot of work. And as you understand, like some of these acquisition were done in the second part of the year, it's still a lot of work to be invested. And we're learning -- we're practically learning on the job how to do it better. And from this point of view, it's not stopped so it will be continued this year, and we still have a number of gaps in capabilities which we're going to bridge through additional small acquisitions or potentially through via organic growth. So I know I'm kind of giving you fuzzy answer but that's how we operate in many respects, because market is moving so fast that we trying to catch it up and be in line with demands, and the demand's changing.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

No, understood. And that's still pretty good color. One question about GGA, you mentioned the fair value adjustment, are there any more details? Is this -- and you did say it's behind you but I guess, the question's around the management team and the capabilities that came with GGA, do you still have those? I just want to make sure.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

Yes, just -- I'll give you some color on the fair value adjustment. What it basically is, is it's tied to the earnout that we had at GGA. So as we closed the year out, their earnout ended on December 31. And they did better than we initially anticipated earlier in the year, and that $1.9 million is meant to reflect the incremental earnout that we will be giving them based on their final performance.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

Okay. So, okay, that's basically it. The Minsk building charge, and you mentioned this in the past, but I just want to make sure, does that affect operations in any way? I mean, presumably, the building was being constructed to house -- I mean to have employees in there. So is this affecting delivery, I mean, are there alternatives that you're working towards?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

No. I mean, it doesn't affect delivery. I mean, before we started construction, we would rent space throughout Minsk. And really, what it has meant is we've had to continue to rent various facilities throughout Minsk to house our folks and the delay means that we just have a delay in being able to benefit from having our own building and putting everybody in 1 place. But it doesn't really affect operations at all.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

So what's the outlook now? Are you still proceeding with the construction?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

Yes. We have a target date of June to try and complete the building and move our folks in probably over the summer, if all goes according to plan.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

Okay. And my last question is on the headcount. U.S. investment, Europe your target was 10%. You hit it. What's the next goal?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citi

So it's still going to grow with, again, with the change in type of services which we provide and we still -- we're still going to grow. Right now, we kind of trying to understand exactly what areas it would be and also because potentially, we will be sealing the gaps with some small M&A transactions, which again might happen, might not. We probably will look in during the next couple of years to increase it by another 2%, 3%.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Grossman with Stifel. Jyhhaw Liu - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division: This is Irvin Liu calling in for David Grossman. Most of my questions have already been asked so just a modeling question. For 2015, could you walk us through the non-GAAP adjustments that's assuming guidance?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · David Grossman with Stifel

Sure. So the only non-GAAP adjustments that we really, actually, forecast are going to be a little bit of FX, P&L FX which we have modeled at about $2.5 million right now, which is really a very rough estimate but we wanted to put something as a placeholder. And stock compensation is estimated to be around $31 million for the year. Jyhhaw Liu - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division: Got it. And what about amortization?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · David Grossman with Stifel

Amortization. Yes, I forgot amortization of intangibles, should be about $5.8 million. Jyhhaw Liu - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division: Okay. And what about the drop off in D&A expense for the fourth quarter? How should we think about that going forward?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · David Grossman with Stifel

Sorry drop off in -- I'm sorry, I didn't hear. Drop off in what expense? Jyhhaw Liu - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division: D&A. Depreciation and amortization.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · David Grossman with Stifel

Depreciation and amortization. Yes, I'm sorry, it's primarily related to some amortization that really just came to conclusion in the third quarter. So it was fully amortized in Q3 and we didn't have anything else ramping up at that point, so we saw a drop in overall amortization. Non-acquisition amortization dropped.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi. Alexander Veytsman - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Just to follow-up on an earlier question, as your efforts continue to shift the labor force from Ukraine to Poland, Hungary, and given the wage differential between those markets, between Ukraine and [indiscernible] countries, are you baking -- are you baking in any bottom line impact from that into your 2015 guidance?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

First of all, we didn't say that we shifting from Ukraine to Poland and Hungary. We're still growing in Ukraine. That's why I'm not sure that I -- we didn't say that we're doing anything specific to shift people from Ukraine. Alexander Veytsman - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: But are you growing the Polish and Hungarian markets? I mean are you...

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

Yes. We're growing, like, Hungarian market grows practically like we grew during the last couple of years. Poland growing faster, but it's much, much smaller -- smaller base. Alexander Veytsman - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Got it. So...

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

So, clearly, we are taking this in account when we model in because we have different growth perspective for different countries and we have model based on this, so it's counted in the model based on what we see today. Again, if you look -- but it's practically adjusted on quarterly, if not even monthly, basis based on the necessity for staffing for specific opportunities, specific engagement and also some external factors. Because, while I'm saying that Ukraine's still growing, clearly, like 12 months ago, we were thinking that Ukraine would be growing faster than it's happened during the 2014. So it's very much adjustable but right now, it's based on the current plans for the year. Alexander Veytsman - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay, makes sense. And then I think at some point you cited that Ukraine's labor force is around maybe 28%, 29% of the labor force kind of in that range, and then Russia is maybe kind of about half of that 14%, 15%. Can you update us on those numbers, are those numbers still intact?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

It's approximately like this, right?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

Yes. Ukraine, Ukraine's probably in the low 20s now, because as we have grown elsewhere they're representing a low 20s. And Russia, after acquisition with GGA, probably somewhere around mid-teens. Alexander Veytsman - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Well, okay. So Ukraine -- I mean, like, so it's low 20s now not because you downsized there but because you've increased the base in other markets?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

More because we've seen growth in other locations, but they've continued to grow as well so it's just become diversified a bit. I mean, I just wanted to double check that Ukraine number, but I'm pretty sure...

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

Ukraine is high 20s and...

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

High 20s.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Alex Veytsman with Monness, Crespi

High 20s and Russia, it's around 14%, 15%.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company

Yes, just a brief follow up. Can we get an update on where we are in terms of the sales force headcount right now? Are we still continuing to expand that group? And then, maybe looking at the pipeline into 2015, is there anything different compared to last year or a few years ago in terms of the nature of the deals and maybe sizes of the deals?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company

Yes, there's still -- I've also shared in the past, we're still hiring and -- hiring people for our business development function. Again, that's not a function where we have -- where we're planning to have hundreds of people, so it's still couple dozens people across locations. So -- but we had in and kind of optimizing this operation all the time. So we probably still double this number during the last year and also, don't forget that we inherited some number of people with the small -- with acquisitions, which becoming part of EPAM. So I think the total number was doubled but again, it's all couple of dozens, not hundreds. So from the pipeline point of view, it's gradually changing the type of projects, like, if -- in 2013, it was few of the kind of projects, where we were leading from consultant or digital strategy and in 2014, these number of projects increased, and we see a lot of things where we kind of leading the new commerce or complex web content engagements, which actually drive in additional mobile engagement or analytics engagement and have too many services engagements in those areas. So I think the proportion of this type of deal is increasing, probably in line with increased capabilities to do it and better integration between this new type of skills and traditional engineering skills you have.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company

And are these larger deal sizes or kind of a lot of them, but maybe smaller?

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Moshe Katri with Cowen and Company

So there are some of them, which looks smaller initially but, again, trigger in, trigger in more opportunities and more engagement like on the tail of this. So -- and some of them, pretty light. So we have couple very light engagement in this area last year and we see in the number of opportunities right now already.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Steven Milunovich with UBS.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

It's Peter again, I just have a quick follow-up. Firstly, I think you guys normally disclose at the end of the year, the number of accounts that you have and give us a sense of where that is for the full year?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · UBS

Let's see. Accounts, we usually did accounts over $100,000 worth of business and that would be 306 accounts over $100,000 compared to 263 last year.

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. And then what was constant-currency growth in the CIS region in the quarter?

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · UBS

Constant-currency growth in the CIS region?

Peter Christiansen - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Yes. I'm just trying to get a sense of how the volume was year-over-year irrespective of currency.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · UBS

I don't think it was given.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · UBS

Yes, we never really break it up that finite. But if you're talking about, from a revenue perspective, ruble dropped -- let me see what the number is here...

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · UBS

Well, I think we can...

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · UBS

I don't really have it broken down by region. Sorry.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · UBS

We can come back on this. But I would say the CIS region probably, didn't grow even in constant currency. Because CIS region was clearly hit by 2 factors, currency itself, but actually, the economic situation in the region, not great.

Anthony J. Conte

Analyst · UBS

Right. Regions is down on both metrics, yes.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · UBS

That's why we were pointing out that North America and Eastern Europe -- in European Union region, we're growing in pretty high numbers because Russia and -- or CIS was impacting us on both fronts.

Operator

Operator

Mr. Dobkin, there are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back to you for any closing and final remarks.

Arkadiy Dobkin

Analyst · Steven Milunovich with UBS

Again, thank you very much for joining us today, and we're really glad that we went through this difficult year with results, which we shared, and talk to you in 3 months. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

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