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Executives

Management

Hilde Merete Nafstad - Senior Vice President of Investor Relations Torgrim Reitan - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Chairman of Corporate Risk Committee and Member of Corporate Executive Committee Svein Skeie - Senior Vice President for Performance Management and Analysis Oystein Michelsen - Executive Vice President of Exploration & Production Norway Business Area Eldar Sætre - Executive Vice President of Marketing, Processing & Renewable Energy and Member of Corporate Executive Committee

Analysts

Management

Brendan Warn - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division Alejandro Demichelis - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division Paul G. Spedding - HSBC, Research Division Haythem Rashed - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Rahim Karim - Barclays Capital, Research Division Michael J. Alsford - Citigroup Inc, Research Division Irene Himona - Societe Generale Cross Asset Research Marc B. Kofler - Macquarie Research Peter Hutton - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division Neill Morton - Investec Securities (UK), Research Division Oswald Clint - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division Brandon Mei - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division Anne Gjøen - Handelsbanken Capital Markets, Research Division John A. Schj. Olaisen - ABG Sundal Collier Holding ASA, Research Division Lars-Henrik Roren - SEB Enskilda, Research Division Jon Rigby - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Statoil's Fourth Quarter Earnings Presentation and Capital Markets Update, most to the audience here in London and to audio and webcast audiences. My name is Hilde Nafstad, and I'm the Head of Investor Relations in Statoil. Before we start, let me say that there are no scheduled fire alarm tests today, so if the fire alarms do go off, please listen to the announcements and follow the instructions. The fire assembly point is over by St. Paul's Cathedral opposite the Blacks camping store. The venue management team will be on hand to assist. The nearest fire exits to this location are out of the entrance doors behind me, and turn to your left or right. The fire exits are indicated by the green running man sign. In the event of a medical emergency, please inform the event management team who are trained first aiders or, where required, can contact the relevant services. This morning at 7:30 Central European Time, Statoil announced the results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2012. The press release and presentations for today's event were distributed through the wires and through Oslo Stock Exchange. The quarterly reports and the presentations can, as usual, be downloaded from our website, statoil.com. I would ask you to kindly make special note of the information regarding forward-looking statements, which can be found on the last page. Our CEO, Helge Lund, will not be present today. He is attending a reception in Bergen to receive the casket of our esteemed colleague and country manager for Statoil in Algeria, Mr. Victor Sneberg, who was killed in the terror attack in Algeria. Today's program will start out with Statoil's CFO, Torgrim Reitan, who will go through the earnings, the strategy update and the outlook for the company. Then after the break at 2:00, EVP Oystein Michelsen will give an update on the Norwegian continental shelf, followed by EVP Eldar Sætre, who will give a presentation about natural gas. After the presentations, Q&A sessions will follow. Please note that questions can be posted by means of the telephone, but not directly from the web. Dial-in numbers for posting questions can be found on the website. The operator of the conference call will explain the procedure for posing questions over the phone immediately before the Q&A session starts. The event will close around 3:30 U.K. time. It is now my privilege to introduce our CFO, Torgrim Reitan. Please, Torgrim.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Thank you, Hilde. At In Amenas in Algeria, we are part of 2 international corporation, 3 companies from 3 countries and 2 continents and suppliers from across the globe. Colleagues from Algeria, the U.K., Japan, U.S., Canada, Ireland, Norway and others, and this is what the terrorists who cold-heartedly attacked. More than 40 people from 10 countries were killed, innocent people with rich lives, and in Statoil, we lost 5 of our best. We share the pain and we share the sorrow of all the families who have lost their loved ones. It is difficult to understand and it is impossible to accept that our colleagues are the victims of deliberate and gruesome violence. Our response to this evil has been to respond with determination and to reach out with care and support to the victims and the families. In these dark hours, we have also experienced the character of a people. On behalf of Helge and the rest of the company, I would like to thank you for the support and the sympathy we have received from partners, from authorities and from the financial community from all over, and that means a lot to us. Terrorism is a global challenge, and it needs an international response. Statoil cannot respond alone, but we will work together with authorities and our partners, and we will do our part. And we have the responsibility to learn and to improve and to protect our people and our assets. And we will not be deterred from doing business around the world. We are going to share our experience. We are going to share our know-how in bringing energy to those who need it. Today, I will show you the states -- or we will show you the state, that the state of Statoil is…

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

We will then turn to the Q&A session. And for this session, Torgrim will be joined by the Senior Vice President for Performance Management and Analysis, Svein Skeie. We will take questions from the audience here in -- at London Stock Exchange and also over the telephone. I will first ask the operator to explain the procedure for asking questions over the telephone.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Thank you, operator. We will start with questions from the audience here at the London Stock Exchange. [Operator Instructions] The Q&A will end at 1:35. We will pass microphones here in the audience in London. So we'll start off -- out with Brendan here, please. Brendan Warn - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: It's Brendan Warn from Jefferies. Just my one question. In terms of value over volume, you've given us the impact of 2013 by producing the gap in 2012. What was the EBIT -- or can you give us an idea of the value you got from the reduction of volume in 2013, please?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

It's a good question. And I think you should save it for Mr. Gas, which is here, Eldar Sætre. But record sales, record prices, yes, large earnings impact.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

All right. Yes, next please.

Alejandro Demichelis - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst

Alejandro Demichelis from Exane BNP Paribas. Yes, my one question is, you talked about stabilizing costs across the portfolio. Maybe you can give us some indication of how you see that evolving both in international basis, but also in Norway.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Excuse me, could you repeat a part of the question?

Alejandro Demichelis - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst

You talked about stabilizing cost in your option business, maybe you can give us some indication of how you see that going forward.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

I'm very glad to see the development on the cost side in 2012, stable operational costs. I do expect cost controls to be strict going forward as well. And the way we work with these elements is, first of all, on the simplification, and I think the fast-track concept is a very good example of addressing costs. Standardizing the way that we build these projects, the one project team can take care of more than one project, and the project have to use this type of equipment. It has reduced the time from discovery to production by 50% and reduced cost by 30%. That is getting more out of scarce resources. Then it's about working with suppliers, long-term frame agreement. It is a scale effect working with costs, take advantage of them. And then it's -- the last point is about future [ph] and the people and the attention that our leadership is on course. So it is under control, but it is a tight market in many places. We need to have full focus on this going forward effort.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

We have another question.

Paul G. Spedding - HSBC, Research Division

Analyst

Paul Spedding from HSBC. Your production profile that you show on Slide 15 shows a relatively flat gas profile. I'm curious as to whether you include anything in there for gas from East Africa, or whether that could be providing some upside to that profile.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Yes, thank you. You are right. The gas profile is rather flat on that profile. When you come to East Africa, still large uncertainty when that will be put into production. We are very encouraged with what we see and the potential. The block is large, and there are further things that we want to mature and drill. So that is what we focus on now. And then we have to come back to any potential start-up and decision in the East Africa. So you're right. It's not part of the gas profile in that chart.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Yes, Haythem.

Haythem Rashed - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Haythem Rashed from Morgan Stanley. I have one question with 2 parts, if possible, just around your financial framework. I just wanted to ask, firstly, on the sort of CapEx guidance that you have over the coming years, sort of, how comfortable you feel with that and whether you think it's enough given some of these projects that you are considering sanctioning, like Tanzania for example, some, coming over the next couple of years. I'm sort of particularly interested given the -- when you look at the operating cash flow that you're guiding for and the CapEx, sort of how much flexibility you have there, obviously assuming you actively -- continue to actively manage your portfolio in that regard. And the second part of it is just on your reference oil price. I just wanted to get your thoughts around that. The $110 looks relatively high compared to some of your peers in terms of reference conditions. I just wanted, given some of the agencies we've seen around the world talk about spare capacity increasing quite substantially over the coming years, what your thoughts are around sort of the oil price going forward.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay, thank you, Haythem, for a long and complex question, and I counted 3 or 4 questions, so thank you. On the CapEx, I'm more comfortable. I mean, the key point on the CapEx pricing is that it is consistent with the 2.5 million barrels per day production in 2020. And the project portfolio can produce more than that. If we bring on all the projects that we are working on as soon as we can, we can produce more than that, and that would also lead to a higher CapEx than we have guided on. So it takes a strict prioritization, picking the best project, picking the most profitable project. And that is what we are doing, and that is what we have done over the last years as well. So it is a consistency in that respect. You touched upon Tanzania and sanctioning and upsize, so if there are sort of an increase into the growth outlook, it will need more CapEx in a way, so it sort of hangs together. But this is a consistent data set that's sort of built into 2.5 million. Then about the operating cash flow and flexibility and divestments and so on. Over the last few years, we have brought in proceeds of around $13 billion, creating capital gains of $6 billion on those transactions. We haven't stated anything going forward on what will happen with the portfolio, and that is deliberate. I see that some of the peers are more explicit on numbers and what, but we are not doing that. But what I can say is that there will be changes in the portfolio going forward as well. We will sharpen the growth. There are assets that will be sold. There are assets that will be acquired. That will, of…

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

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Rahim Karim - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Rahim Karim from Barclays Capital. I just wanted to touch back on this issue around financial framework and perhaps around the growth of the international business. You seem to be suggesting that you're putting a constraint in terms of capital that you want to deploy as a group as a whole, and that's why you're not going to perhaps deliver more than 2.5 million barrels per day by 2020. If I've understood that correctly, we should be getting towards a point in the middle of the decade where the international business becomes free cash flow positive. Am I thinking about that correctly? If not, what am I missing? At what point should we start to see the international upstream business start to generate free cash flow rather than being an absorber of CapEx?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay. First of all, international business is contributing strongly to fund the investment. The cash flow per barrel, on par with our Norwegian production and 1/3 of the total production, so it is contributing well. Then sort of the way we look at the investments going forward, it is not allocating x billion to international and y billion to Norway when these projects have to compete side by side with equal measures and then we prioritize the best one. So it's a strong competition for investments then in Statoil today, and all the projects knows that, and they know that they have to deliver. That is the way it works. So I can't give you a specific guiding on the totality of the international built of -- that's one unit.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

I think it was Michael first, over here.

Michael J. Alsford - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

It's Michael Alsford from Citigroup. Just a quick question on the financials while we wait for the next presentations. But just on tax, obviously, a few one-offs in the fourth quarter. But can you give us some guidance on 2013 tax rate for the group and perhaps by division would be helpful. Okay.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

So I'll leave that to you, Svein, so please.

Svein Skeie

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering and Holt

Yes, as you said, the fourth quarter tax rate might be a bit lower than expected. If you look at the international segment, it's especially related to that one. And we announced earlier on that there's a new law in Norway saying something about the availability than for we get the tax reductions for international activities. So that is an effect that we will have in fourth quarter, which we have accounted for. In addition to that, we have also done some restructuring in the group, which we have done -- have the opposite effect from the costs that we have there related to the future international depreciation. So we have an offsetting in the group related and mainly to restructuring to the U.S. business. If you look at deep in Norway, and you see with high prices and the effect of the uplift related to the investment is a bit lower, but we are in a similar segment, a similar level as we have guided earlier on also for that one. And in NPR [ph], we have said that there will be volatility in that, especially when we don't have the uplift anymore. So looking forward, it's both on -- DPN similar level as we have said earlier on; DPI, also at a similar level as we had said early on. But then when we get more and more then from the U.S. and lower tax regime, then it will be a bit lower as we have guided early on as well.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Yes, next question [indiscernible] can you please pass the mic.

Irene Himona - Societe Generale Cross Asset Research

Analyst

It's Irene Himona, Societe Generale. You renegotiated about half your portfolio of gas contracts last year. Can you please update us on the current balance of oil versus spot [ph] Gas link? And what do you expect to happen to your margin as you lose the benefit of the oil link but gain volume flexibility?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay, thank you. Eldar is coming on the stage later today, addressing especially this issue. I'm not ready to take that question. I think it's better that Eldar answers it. Thank you.

Marc B. Kofler - Macquarie Research

Analyst

It's Marc Kofler from Macquarie. I just had a quick question on the reserve additions for 2012. I noticed you talked about, I think, it was 4 distinct geographies within that 110% replacement ratio. I was just wondering, how much of that was U.S.?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Reserves addition in the U.S., Svein.

Svein Skeie

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering and Holt

We'll not give a specific number, there. But what we see is that the -- we have the onshore part in the U.S. is having a high contribution than for -- and being important than for the booking of the reserves, which adds significantly then to our reserve replacement ratio. So it's still a large contribution as it also happened in 2011.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Question, please.

Peter Hutton - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Peter Hutton from RBC. I'm just wondering if you can give any kind of guidance of what you see as the optimal gearing level for a company like Statoil. You've gone to 12. Your guidance is for 15 at the end of '13. If we look at the slides in terms of op cash, dividends, CapEx, you're free cash flow negative of about 1.5 billion, so creeping up -- so you're between 15 and 20 over the medium term. Is that the right level, or is that a bit conservative, or what do you think?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay. A very good question. From a purely financial perspective, probably low. I mean, we are on the low side. I mean debt is very low priced currently. So I guess there are good arguments to increasing the year [ph] from that perspective. When that is said, to us, it is extremely important and strategically important to run with a strong balance sheet and a lot of liquidity because we must be able to take long term decisions even if there is short-term volatility and trouble in the short term. We need to be able to lead safely through strong volatility in oil and gas prices. And that is -- it is in those periods you can actually create much additional value. Running with a solid balance sheet is very important to us, strong rating and a lot of liquidity. And you will see that going forward as well, so I'm not prepared to give a specific range and so on, but the current rating is -- the current net debt level is, of course, very comfortable, but a very solid balance sheet going forward will be the key. Thank you.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Next question, please. Neill Morton - Investec Securities (UK), Research Division: It's Neill Morton at Investec. Could I just follow on from that comment and just go back to portfolio management with regards to gearing? As you sharpen the portfolio further in the future, can we assume that in dollar amounts, acquisitions are offset by disposals? And also just in terms of acquisition, perhaps just give us a clue as to what the criteria are. Are you looking at conventional, unconventional, existing areas with synergies or new areas, et cetera?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

We will -- I mean, some years, there will be more divestments than acquisitions and then some years, the other way around. It's based on opportunities that arise and the market conditions and so on. I think if you -- to better understand the future, I think we need to look back on what has happened. Over the last 10 years, divesting of shipping, petrochemical, fossil fuel and retail, a lot of other assets as well. And then acquiring into things that can be something big going forward. So that will be sort of the things for the future as well. So I'm not prepared to give any specifics on what will happen with the portfolio. You just have to be prepared that there will be changes to the portfolio going forward as well. So thank you. Oswald Clint - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division: Oswald Clint from Sanford Bernstein. Just maybe a question on the Gulf of Mexico. Some of your projects there, Jacks, St. Malo, Julia in FID or close to it, but you haven't quite given the volumes yet, the capacity of those projects. Could you say what's happening there in terms of what you expect volumes to be, and maybe also just an update on what's happening in terms of your Gulf of Mexico portfolio?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay, thank you. On St. Malo, we -- we have said that we assume production start in 2014. And from Jacks, St. Malo and Julia, the capacity combined, we expect to be around 170,000 barrels per day to as such. We haven't [indiscernible] it. So there are quite a few interesting developments in Gulf of Mexico coming on stream now. We are going to continue our exploration efforts. There are several wells this year. And then we took quite a bit of acreage in the licensing rounds the last time, and we have quite a few interesting prospects that we really would like to try out. So we are positive with outlook on it and looking forward to get going with more production.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Do we have any further questions here in London? I can't see any hands. Then I think we'll turn to the audio audience. Operator, would you please be so kind as to introduce the first question over the telephone?

Operator

Operator

We'll take our first from Teodor Nilsen from Swedbank First Securities.

Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division

Analyst · Swedbank First Securities

Just a question on CapEx in related to the recent attacks in In Amenas and the Arab Spring. In general, has the recent terror attacks changed the way you think of which areas you will allocate CapEx to, like in the long term from, from let's say, 2015 and onwards, will you allocate more CapEx to less -- or areas with low political risk?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay, thank you Teodor. First of all, safety for our people is the absolute most important one. So we will not bring back our people into Algeria until we know it is safe, and that is the way going forward as well. First, it's important to remind ourselves that risk management and security assessment is the key judgment with any investment decision and is constantly evaluated because we need to be very comfortable with where we send our people. We are committed to our assets in Algeria. They are important to us. They contribute well to production, and then there is work that needs to be done on the asset before it can be started safely. And then we have started an investigation -- or agreed with the board that we will start an investigation that will establish the fact and chain of events. We will see to it that we take out learning from what has happened and that we -- and then we improve our business. We need to wait for that investigation report to evaluate the consequences of what we are going to do.

Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division

Analyst · Swedbank First Securities

Okay. Is it likely that you will change the way you think around the gas discoveries in Eastern Africa following the recent events?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

It's too early to conclude, Teodor.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Brandon Mei from Tudor, Pickering and Holt. Brandon Mei - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: I just noticed in the Marcellus, it looks like you've had a pretty significant ramp up there despite a lower rig count. It looks like it's about plus 12,000 barrels a day in the quarter versus plus 5 in 3Q, so I'm just wondering if you could talk about what's going on there as far as rig count, wells drilled in the quarter and then wells drilled but not turned on.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay, thank you. So you're right, production from Marcellus has increased, and that comes from a large inventory of drilled wells that has not yet been produced -- put into production. So that in theory [ph] Is being capitalized on currently, stepping up production in Marcellus. So you're right, it is increasing even if we have reduced the rig count. Interestingly, this Marcellus gas will not be sold in the Marcellus area. It will go through Toronto. We have taken on capacity, as you know, there. All capacity in that pipeline and our gas is now realizing a much higher prices in that area than the alternative was. So we are earning money in Marcellus currently. Brandon Mei - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: Can you put some numbers around how many wells are drilled but not turned on now?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Svein, do you have it?

Svein Skeie

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering and Holt

That, I think, I need to come back to because it's developing day by day.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

I suggest you take that to the Investor Relation Officer.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jason Kenney from Santander.

Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division

Analyst · Santander

Just a point of clarification, please. I know you answered Paul earlier on the volumes from East Africa and whether they were in the volume profile or not. And I think one other question revolved around will you need more CapEx if you decide to FID Tanzania. So I was just really wanting you to clarify, is CapEx in the 2013, 2016 plan for East Africa or not?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

It is the same answer back earlier. We have more wells to be drilled. There are more interesting prospects that will be matured in that block. And there are no firm plans for an investment decision related to this.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from Anne Gjøen from Handelsbanken. Anne Gjøen - Handelsbanken Capital Markets, Research Division: I wonder when it comes to the 2020 production guiding of 2.5 million barrels a day, how much of that is related to projects yet to start. And when it comes to projects yet to start, how much of that remains to be sanctioned?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay. I think there is one slide in my package which elaborates the various fields and then when they are starting. There it is, on Page 13. Today, you can see where we -- when we -- which ones are sanctioned, when we expect them to start up and the capacity they provide. So hope that can be useful to answer your question on that.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from John Olaisen from ABG.

John A. Schj. Olaisen - ABG Sundal Collier Holding ASA, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

I wonder if you can give the split of the E&P spending, the CapEx spending and the exploration spending versus -- and if we can split it into Norway and international, please.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay. Thank you, John. Svein?

Svein Skeie

Analyst · ABG

I will refer to the supplementary information that we have provided in the details that we have provided. If you look at the investment going forward, we have said that around 40% will come -- will be at the Norwegian continental shelf, and then the split of what has been going into the North American and the rest of the international portfolio is splitted out. Also, we have said that 10% of the CapEx in the future is expected to be in the NPR segment. And there we have also then on Slide 16, by the way, on supplementary information. And we have also then giving the split into how much is going into the liquids and then how much is not sanctioned. Also, in the supplementary information at Slide 13, we have then also then provided the exploration activity in 2012, the splits between the Norwegian part of it and the international part of it.

John A. Schj. Olaisen - ABG Sundal Collier Holding ASA, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

That's very useful. And a follow-up on that, given that your guidance is based on a dollar amount. Can you tell us a little bit about the cost inflation in this? With flat exploration spending, does that mean lower volume? I guess rig rates are going up and seismic day rates are going up and everything. Can you give us indication what's the volume -- how much is volume going down in exploration and in CapEx?

Svein Skeie

Analyst · ABG

First of all, I think it's what we have done and experienced now in 2012 is a very good exploration result. We have spent 3.6 billion in exploration, drilling down 46 wells in 2012 and then adding on 1.5 billion. What we have said then for 2013 is that we expect around 50 wells and then being at a similar level. What we will then also see in 2013 is that we will drill quite a lot of appraisal wells to secure that we are maturing our resources into reserves so that we are then -- have the ability to develop them into profitable projects. So the appraisal will be more important in 2013.

John A. Schj. Olaisen - ABG Sundal Collier Holding ASA, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

But given the exploration success you had lately and all the interesting exploration acreage you have available, why don't you boost exploration more?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Thank you, John. It is a tempting question. And there's a lot of opportunities -- exploration opportunities out there. This is an optimization exercise based on all the rigs that we have available and all the prospects and all the discoveries that we have made. The more discoveries you have, the more appraisal you need to do. So that's why there is quite a bit of appraisal this year, but I'll bring back home your advice, John. So thank you.

John A. Schj. Olaisen - ABG Sundal Collier Holding ASA, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Final [ph] question, will we see a well in Angola for you guys in '13?

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

I think we need to move onto the next question now, John. We'll take one more before the break, and that is Lars Roren from SEB. Please go ahead.

Lars-Henrik Roren - SEB Enskilda, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Just a clarification on your operating cash flow guidance from 2.13 to 2.16. As far as I understand, this is based on $110. But you also said that you have an other budget price or internal planning price. Can you confirm that, and can you also tell us what kind of price that is?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Thank you. Yes, we have another planning price. If I can tell it? No, so I'm sorry about that. But we use different prices. We use a very low price where we sort of test all the projects and the profitability and the sustainability of the company. Then we have a bit higher prices. And then we use one price that is even higher than what we see today because there is an upside as well. It's very important for us to see to that we can sail safely through any scenario.

Lars-Henrik Roren - SEB Enskilda, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Yes, but if you have an internal planning price that is -- can I ask the question?

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Well, I think actually we have to round off for the break now, Lars.

Lars-Henrik Roren - SEB Enskilda, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

But this was just beginning of the question, okay.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Okay, go ahead. One question.

Lars-Henrik Roren - SEB Enskilda, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Okay. But just to understand because if you use your sensitivities and say that the dollar oil price will be $10 lower, and with the current NOK-U.S. dollar price, then you will add on for the next 4 years approximately $6 million to $8 million in finance deficit. That will increase your net debt ratio by 10 to 12 percentage points. Is that what you also include in your internal planning, that you plan for a higher debt ratio than your sensitivities or that you show us?

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Yes, on this issue, we expect net debt to grow slightly during 2013. Then we are investing. And if prices drop significantly, we have, of course, to borrow money. I have no problems with borrowing money. It's actually a very tempting market out there, but everything needs to be balanced. To add some debt when you are growing, I think that is perfectly fine. But the point is that we will run this company based on a very solid balance sheet. And I think you need to take a bit of comfort into -- from the history here. For the last 10 years, we have seen oil prices between 17 and 147. We have paid a dividend, 50% in that period. We've run with a AA- rating. And we have had a production growth of more than 100%. So things are changing, and that is the art of running an oil and gas company. You need to take into all of these uncertainty and just see to that you sail safely and you are able to grow and you are able to create value. So we are in an investment cycle. We intend to do it, and then we have a lot of tools, and we have also a lot of flexibility in the investment program to address the situation.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Thank you very much. That will have to conclude this Q&A session. We will have a short break. There will be refreshments outside at the gallery, and we will reconvene again at 2 p.m. So I'll ask everybody to please be on time in respect of the audio and webcast audiences. Thank you. [Break]

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Welcome back, everybody. We will now have the Executive Vice President for Development and Production, Norway, Oystein Michelsen, present the development of the Norwegian continental shelf for us. So please welcome Oystein.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

In June 2011, I shared my perspective on the NCS with the investment community in New York. My main message then was the NCS is not the sunset region. In 2011, I said that we plan to develop more than 500,000 barrels per day on new, high-value production towards 2020, and we plan to produce more than 1.4 million barrels per day in total in 2020. And we even see exploration potential in addition to this. But now, today, my key messages are the following. Our operational performance has improved. Our portfolio has been high-graded through asset transactions. New projects are maturing on schedule and at cost. And the exploration success to date provides additional volumes and optionality. So in short, Statoil on the NCS delivers according to plan, and most importantly, we are on track to meet the 2020 ambition. Our company has worked systematically on safety and efficiency over a number of years. The serious incident frequency has been consistently reduced. Production efficiency has improved due to more efficient maintenance, and we have reduced unplanned losses, regained shut-in wells and increased our drilling and completion capacity. And according to the North Sea benchmark study, our unit lifting cost has improved relative to the industry average. And I'm convinced that safety, efficient operations and a minimized CO2 footprint are all prerequisites to maximized value creation, so this is why we have a continuous focus on improvement in these areas. As you may know, we have undertaken several portfolio transactions since June 2011. The 2 largest were the U.K. company, Centrica, and secondly, with the German company of Wintershall. I am pleased to see that we have managed to reach an agreement on transfer of operatorship to Wintershall, a highly competent, I would say, newcomer on the NCS. We see…

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Thank you, Eldar, and we will now have another Q&A session and this time we will have both Eldar and Oystein available for answering questions regarding their presentations. Once more, we will start out with you taking questions from the audience here in London. And again, please state your name and the name of your company before your question and also, again ask you to please limit yourself to one question at a time. And we can start off with Jon. Please, Jon.

Jon Rigby - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

So, one question per principal on the stage. So I could have -- maybe I'll come back with my second one. So if I can ask my first question for Oystein. On -- I'm trying to relate the production targets that you have to the CapEx targets you've also announced in Norway, and I'm conscious that over the next 2 to 3 years, you're probably building up developed reserves in advance of actual [ph] Tick up in production from things like Johan Sverdrup, et cetera. And so are you able to give some guidance on capital intensity, so a development cost, either blended or by region, sort of a Norwegian Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, that we can use to guide a sort of development cost, unit development cost for Norwegian oil and gas over the next decade or half a decade?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

We don't give all those detail for all of our separate projects, but we have -- we are guiding on sort of the CapEx numbers over the next years in total. So I'm not so sure if I can give you all the details, but as I said, we have an average breakeven price of USD 50 per barrel, that is some indication of what it costs to develop the NCS.

Jon Rigby - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Sorry, I don't need it per project. I'm just trying to get an idea of the buildup of capital intensity and then almost the release of capital intensity as you come off the back of what looks like quite an active development process over the next few years, and so I'm just trying to get an understanding of that -- the unit CapEx intensity so that we can kind of plot that out over the decade.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Maybe we could come back to some -- just to make sure we can give you what you're actually asking for.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Yes, Theepan?

Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Theepan from Nomura. Sort of a derivative of that question, I guess, but I guess the backbone of your growth in Norway has grown over the last couple of years. The question I have is, do you think there's enough capacity in the local contractor market in Norway to meet your aspirations? Or are you increasingly going to use Asian contractors to deliver on your projects?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Well, as I said, we are increasingly using the international supply market and that we have been working on that for some time, actually, to qualify more contractors and to qualify more suppliers in the market, and to also, how to team them up with the right competencies that we need on the NCS. So we have been preparing for that. We have seen that this activity level is more than can be absorbed by sort of the local markets. But still, the -- for example, the Norwegian suppliers, are very, sort of heavily involved in our projects, and they're contributing a lot, but did we have a -- prepared for that, and we see that there is an international supply industry that can provide us with the capacity we need.

Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Is there a very deliberate strategy and effort to keep the market in Norway, let's say, is due to this [indiscernible].

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

They keep the market at --

Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Is there a strategy, therefore, to keep that market in Norway, let's say not to over-inflate that market? [indiscernible]

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Yes, it's important to keep -- kind of -- competition in the market. That is important for us. So we would like to see the supply market being able to compete with this, so that we are not stuck with, sort of a limited capacity because then the prices and the cost level will rise to, yes, more than we can live with.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Can we have -- yes, Haythem, please?

Haythem Rashed - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

It's Haythem Rashed from Morgan Stanley. My question is for Eldar, actually, on your presentation on gas. Just to really, if you could perhaps give us more color and sort of substance around the comments you made about the -- expanding the commercial relationships, and sort of increasing that share to sales directly to end-users in trade markets. I just wondered if you could sort of talk a little bit about what Statoil is doing to sort of prepare for that in terms of resourcing staffing? Are you -- do you feel you're ready, sort of, as an organization to sort of grow that, or is that something to come? Eldar Sætre: I appreciate that question because that gives an opportunity to just repeat that this is -- now, we are looking for opportunities in this new reality. That means that we are not sort of reactive. We are proactive, so we seek to prepare ourselves before the event, to put it that way, and build the organization, build the capabilities on top of the competence base that we already have, to be able to sort of deal with a much bigger number of customers, which is one of the futures of the future. By selling directly through the hubs, increasing volumes and also by selling directly, increasing volumes. We will have delivered a lot of -- many more customers and smaller customers, so we need to build the competence to deal with us with that, and we are doing that quite aggressively, we have a direct sales organization in Brussels that has been doing a tremendous job, and has developed very good relations and is expanding their market presence and has grown, as I indicated there, that part of the business quite significantly. And we have high ambitions for further growth in that area, and our trading activities, which is carried out from London, first of all, is making good money, so I think we demonstrate on the way that, we are up to the task, but we're also preparing ourselves to do more volumes and utilize sort of the whole set of opportunities that Europe gives us and the flexibility that we have. So we are expanding that, both geographically and also in terms of building our capacity to run that business.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Yes, Rahim, first.

Rahim Karim - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

It's Rahim Karim from Barclays. Eldar, you talked about the fact that your long-term contracts were taking different shapes and different forms and you're also looking to sell more of your gas to end-users, directly. I was just wondering if you could perhaps talk a little bit about the different commodity prices or different price risks you might be willing to take on, or that you are having to take on as a result of these shifts. I guess we all assume or mainly assume that those contracts are going to be spot gas price latent or some derivative of that, but perhaps you could give us a sense of your linking contracts to other commodities or other pricing references? Eldar Sætre: The legacy contracts have a huge component of oil in it. The gas or fuel oil, so obviously we are willing and we'll be continue willing to take on that kind of risk, it's a core it's for Statoil, as such, so no problem. We'll increasingly take on gas market risk into this, and we like that. It's also part of our core risk. So and then we see that there is developing diversity of desires and needs from various customers, in particular when we go down to the more shorter term and more, sort of smaller customers with more specific needs. We see a variety of things that we need to relate to. And one of the basic principle is the product unbundling here, that when we have, you start, with the hub price on these new sales, and if there is something which has a price tag attached to it, that is basically has to be priced into this. And that could also have a hedging type of nature, so we are into some kind of commodity that we might not want to prefer as a course for us, and then we might sort of look at what is the cost of taking that back to crude oil or gas or something. so as I think we have very conscious strategy as to sort of what is, what is the kind of risk that we like and so on. What I should say is that, when it comes to the Power segment, it is -- that is an issue, because you -- they are facing basically power -- electricity risk at the end, and gas risk, on the other end. And there is a risk component, that to the extent that there is [indiscernible] positive at all, which is a problem, currently. But we have discussions, and have developed sort of concepts, involving ourselves in discussions, which is about sort of how to look upon that risk, and we had a couple of contracts where we shall decide which have the sort of more complex risk, and which also has component of power risk and electricity into our risk profile. That's not a big chunk, but there are those kinds of components as well.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

And I think there's Neill for the next question, please. Neill Morton - Investec Securities (UK), Research Division: It's Neill Morton at Investec. Back to the NCS. Oystein, you mentioned that back in New York 2 years ago, you gave a 1.4 million-barrel a day target for 2020. Your projections today now include new volumes from you would see at a high, or from the balance, and yet the target's still the same. I was wondering what the offsetting factor was.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

We can see we have had a development. We are also divesting from the NCS, that is affecting our production and also the target or the ambition that we stated in the New York 1.5 years ago, also included exploration success. That was a part of it. So this is what we actually have, we have confirmed that the potential in the exploration prospects that we were looking at, that's actually, it's true, and that is adding on to our production in 2020. So yes, and of course, we are much firmer on our, guiding now than we...2 years ago.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Michael, please.

Michael J. Alsford - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

This is Michael Alsford again, from Citi. Could I maybe just refer back to sort of the European Supply and Demand chart that you talked about on the gas market. Clearly, we can all model maybe the supply declines in the existing production base, but could you maybe talk a little bit more about your thoughts around the demand, I guess, targets that you lay out? I think you talked about 20% increase in European gas demand until 2030, but maybe you could you talk a little bit about where you think gas is, as a percentage of share into the utilities market, for example, are you saying that's going to increase, or is it simply just a recovery in GDP that's driving that kind of assumption, that would be great. Eldar Sætre: Yes. There are several factors that goes into that, that belief as such, when it comes to the overall demand, and then I'll discuss the price as a separate thing, because that's strongly related to the supply side as well. When it comes to demand, what we do see is that and honestly we believed, a few years back, that the Power sector would be the main engine and the driver for growth as such. That has not materialized, and that's also why we have seen a contraction in the European gas demand, in combination with the economic situation in Europe, which hasn't sort of rebound. We are still optimistic about the Power sector as such, but let me remind you that there are other sectors also where gas plays an important role. When it comes to power sector we think it is, it would be rather astonishing if Europe, at some point, doesn't recognize the fundamental nature of gas in terms of climate policies and the…

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

I can't see any...yes, I can see one more, from Jon.

Jon Rigby - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Jon Rigby from UBS again. If I can ask my gas question now -- If I look at the chart that you showed of projections on prices, which you don't show a European contract price in, but you show Japanese LNG prices dipping down, which I guess is a reflection of your oil price view, and you also show MBP [ph] spot European prices climbing. It strikes me that if you were to put a European contract price on there, you'd end up showing the spot prices in Europe and contract prices in Europe pretty much converge in your scenario, and therefore we get back to the answer we first thought of. Is that a correct interpretation? Eldar Sætre: No. I consciously didn't show, sort of a, typical -- I would have to pick a contract to do that. We don't do that, so but what you see, what you have seen is actually quite strong evidence that we are able to sort of deliver a strong result, despite the fact last year that we have 55% on a hub basis. Going forward, obviously, what kind of assumptions are you putting into, in place there is also important, that's sort of how the forward curve for gas and oil is developing, and we see that oil is backwarded, and gas is the opposite. So even today, this is strong evidence that we are dealing with this situation in a good way. And going forward, they are looking at the market and how it prices those commodities, it's -- and I think we might be back to the situation that we had earlier that before the economic crisis, we took a more -- a lot of that gas demand, that it's a pricing that is pretty much equal, it could up or down, but as you know, over time it is, is [indiscernible]. I honestly think that longer-term hub based pricing and the liquid market for gas is a good thing, longer term, and we are preparing ourselves to do that and we are making good money on that already now.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Yes, I see another hand.

Peter Hutton - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Peter Hutton from RBC. You've got a strong position on -- in European gas pipeline deliveries. Is there a question of not having the sustainability that -- or are there any handicaps to the long-term position of that, given that, as a company, you're relatively underway in global LNG, and are there any issues to address there? Eldar Sætre: It's the fundamental nature of a pipeline, you cannot -- there's not much you can do about it. So there is an infrastructure. I think the main point is that it's a flexible infrastructure. It gives us access to various markets, and that gives us a very strong starting point. If you look at Europe, I think it is, I mentioned, there is demand uncertainty. We have a view on that. We think the pricing in Europe is quite robust, and that we will have a situation where Europe will need LNG to balance the whole thing. I pointed at some risk factors, obviously things could happen, if you don't give a lot probability to, that sort of takes away the whole European gas market. But I think we would have to see a quite serious situation before, so that we were really concerned with the pipelines of gas to Europe, and the cost efficiency of utilizing that system is so huge, that my starting point gives me a very strong hand and is a benefit to us. But ideally, if we're looking at sort of how to expand our growth business, our gas business, we have said that LNG is a nice thing. The flexibility of LNG in a global context is something that we would like to see. We have tried for many years, and in that context, the Tanzanian position is a very good asset for us, that would make a difference in that respect.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

I think we'll turn to the audio audience now. And our first question comes from Teodor Nilsen with Swedbank First Securities.

Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

A question related to the NCS. You have said that you want to concentrate your portfolio in Norway, so then I guess, you want to divest some assets in some areas and maybe you want to increase exposure in some other areas. Is it possible to give some colors, color on which areas you will pay attention to, and to which areas you will seek to make some divestments in?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Well, as you know, we have already done 2 major transactions, that is telling us something about what thinking about this is. Now we are building up in, for example, Utsira, and selling down in the Euro Vega area. That's a reflection on where we are intending to be, and where do not intend to be. And the same was with the Centrica deal, where we also divested many, say very early phase projects because we couldn't, we were not or we didn't want to prioritize these, and therefore we also divested them. So we have a plan. We have a strategy to where we want to be, and then it is the opportunities and the price and to find the right partner to do these transactions with. But this will be a continuous effort on the NCS. And we would very much like to see more of this happen. But, of course, this depends on many parties, but we do work systematically on this issue.

Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Do you have an influence around owner's shares -- there's some fields from Utsira High [ph] where you have a pretty substantial owner's share in -- could you own 100% of a field or do you have any thoughts around that in terms of risk management?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

We do not want to own 100% of the fields. It's also a matter of sharing the risk with other partners, and that is -- will also be part of our strategy going forward.

Teodor Sveen Nilsen - First Securities AS, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

And a final question, just on the recovery rate, if I may. You were aiming for a 60% recovery rate on NCS, which is nice. Could you say something about the CapEx requirements per barrel, and also something about the internal rate of return you expect on the CapEx, related to increased recovery?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Well, as I said, this is a very long-term ambition, and this is only natural going forward from the 35% we started out with. We had 49% last year. We are 50% this year, and we have said that this is the right ambition for us, to give direction to our IOR efforts. What we say also is that this will require technological development, so we are not there today to say that it's -- we do not know exactly what it takes to make a 60% recovery from our NCS portfolio. But we will -- the most important thing we will have a strong effort on doing research, in technological improvements or developments to get there in the future. And as I said also, this will happen in the long term, and most of it after 2020. So I can't give you any figures or directly sort of the price for the 60%, we don't know.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

And our next question comes from Brandon Mei with Tudor, Pickering, Holt. Brandon Mei - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: I may have missed it, but I was wondering if you can give some color on what you're seeing on the coal competition, and maybe if you could put some numbers around it, and what you expect, going forward?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Obviously, no, it's -- there are some paradoxes here, but what we see is that the United States is basically growing their gas consumption and -- at the expense of coal, and improving their climate accounts as such, without the climate policy, to put it that way. While Europe, which has a climate policy, goes the other way, so it's a paradox. And I think the solution to that equation is the coal, that increasingly comes in at a low cost from the United States into Europe, into Germany at quite low costs, and it's hard to compete when that happens. And Europe is willing to accept that stuff into their power generations and for other purposes with CO2 emissions, which is 3x at least as much with the old power plants, as you would see on gas, but that's what happens, at least in the, at least to have you have seen that the Germany. I don't think that paradox or that situation can prevail for a long time. I think the U.K. is seeing it, and their electricity markets are foremost [ph] is pointing at, sort of, acceptable levels of carbon emissions for power generation, and that greatly creates a problem, at least for new coal investments. And I think it also incentivize gas to at least, to a large extent. So I think, the other x factor in this is Europe, and I think if the fundamental thing is that -- if they want to reduce CO2, they have to put a cost on it. And if they want to achieve something, not only put a cost on it, but a cost that has an impact. And so far, there is a cost, but it doesn't have an impact, and it's as far away from that, so…

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

All right... Eldar Sætre: Hilde, there was a question from -- that I might try to answer, and on Torgrim's -- on the volumes that we have moved forward, to put it that way. And how much money we have made on that, and I have to disappoint, not surprisingly a little bit on that question, because, I think you have, you are indicated the volumes, Torgrim [ph], that we have moved forward around 15,000 barrels per day. And if I were to give a number on that, you would -- I would pretty much expose every sort of -- strategy for decision-making and how we are thinking about this and I don't think that is a wise thing for me to do. But all I can say is, that it's we even obviously we make good money on that, and then that's part of, sort of what you see, also in other accounts.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Okay, then next on the list, we have Jason Kenney from Santander.

Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division

Analyst · ABG

Just going back to the earlier questions on capital intensity. Been also thinking of unit costs, and I wonder if you could share your thoughts on the unit cost profile, going forward, versus today at least, and thinking over the period to 2016. And then, maybe if you could just expand a bit on the $50 per barrel cash breakeven of new projects, and relay that to or relate it to the current cash breakeven of your business, and maybe the whole portfolio and the profile, going forward.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

That was a lot of details to sort of -- well, when it comes to unit costs, we see the cost is developing. We try to keep it in a kind of constant, but that does have a slow -- we'll have a slow increase in the years to come, but we have full control of that. It's not, kind of getting out of control. As we said, because we are working on -- we have, our ambition is to keep the field cost level at a constant level. When it comes to the capital or the cash or the breakeven on the project, there is a variety. We have a $50 per barrel as an average, about that. Some of our projects are much better than that, and some of them are not as good and when it comes to Aasta Hansteen, for example, whether I mentioned, there we have a somewhat higher break even, and that is also because this is an area solution, it's opening up for new infrastructure and so on. But on average, we have a very robust portfolio, and our best projects within, sort of fast-track is better than $30 per barrel, breakeven.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

And we'll take the last question today from Christine Tiscareno from S&P Capital IQ. Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research: I don't know if you are the right person to ask this but, I wonder if you could give us an update on the Troll field, which is one of your most flexible ones, if you have any comments on that, and maybe also the Alve field?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

What the -- the Troll?

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

The Troll field, and what was the second field? Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research: Yes, the Troll field and Alve?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

What do you mean, about the Troll field, the update of that, the projects or ...? Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research: Well, yes, there was a significant decline in production in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter. And I don't know if most of your so-called held back volumes are coming from there?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

Yes, so that is more kind of Eldar question there. I mean the Troll is at Springfield, and we can produce, we have a very large flexibility of production capacity, so the gas sales is very much controlled by a gas -- Eldar Sætre: The portfolio [ph] Is full speed, that is a -- so will gas prices that we have seen and so we mentioned we also moved forward volumes, so basically, on the Troll field, it has been full speed. So any kind of decline in the fourth quarter that means some minor operational interruptions, but those are minor, so they shouldn't have any impact on the production volumes, as such in the fourth quarter. So I can't relate to sort of a material reduction on the -- from the Troll field, that should basically be, as much as possible, at least in November and December.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

When it come to the Alve, I'm not quite sure what you mean about that? Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research: Well, there's also a very significant reduction in volumes.

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

We have had some problems with the [indiscernible] and that has affected the production, from Alve, that is correct, but that is a very minor, very minor effect on our total production. Christine Tiscareno - S&P Equity Research: Okay. So going forward in the first half of the year, the Troll production could increase again, or it could stay where it is, which is basically half of what it did in the third quarter?

Oystein Michelsen

Analyst · ABG

I'm not familiar with the numbers that you're referring to so [indiscernible] my sort of market intelligence. We'll check it, I think.

Hilde Merete Nafstad

Management

Okay, then we'll have to conclude the Q&A session, and should there be any further questions, please feel free to contact us in Investor Relations. The presentation and the Q&A session will be available for a replay from the website in a few days, and transcripts will also be available. Now, before we end, I would once again like to introduce our CFO, Torgrim Reitan, who will close today's event. Please, Torgrim.

Torgrim Reitan

CFO

Okay. Thank you, Hilde. So it has been very good to be together today, and I hope it has been a useful few hours for you. We have given you a comprehensive, comprehensive level of details and information, and I'll let you digest the information, and I'm not going to repeat it now. What I want you to remember is 2 things: Firstly, we have delivered a very strong set of numbers for 2012, and we have enhanced the value for all shareholders. And then, secondly, we are on track to deliver on our longer-term ambitions, and our strategy remains firm, and it's quite a big momentum in the strategy work. It has to be said that a strong set of results, it raises expectations for future deliveries. That is a challenge that we live well with. We have been clear on the development in 2013, and I do think it has come across that, as a CFO, I'm looking forward to 2013. And I'm proud to be part of an organization that is able to deliver strong growth, the transactions we have done, the exploration results that we have seen in 2012. So let 2012 be a teaser for what we will like to achieve in the years ahead. So thank you very much for your attention here today, and then I'm looking forward to enter into discussions with you over the next few days. So thank you very much.