Victor L. Richey
Management
And that's something we continue to look at. We have taken some actions, not obviously to the extent we do on the manufacturing side, but what we've been trying to do is make sure that Aclara operates as one business. And then as we've told Metrum, and I think that's a good example, I mean, we integrated Metrum in day 1 so that they got in all of our systems rather than have a redundant set of processes out there. So we're continuing to consolidate as much as we can between the Cleveland facility and the St. Louis facility and the facility we have in Boston. So we're doing some of that, but, I mean, obviously, as the business develops or doesn't develop, we have to continue to look at that. And if you look at the number of employees that are out there, the important thing that a lot of people forget is we have 450,500 customers at Aclara, and you have to support them. And one reason, I mean, that we have been successful and continue to be successful, particularly in COOPs and with our other water and gas customers, is that they get really good customer support. And we have to do that because if we don't do that, then we're going to really struggle gaining new business because, obviously, utilities talk to each other. So as look at the overall force count there, it's probably -- there's a lot there that you wouldn't typically understand being there just because of the customer support both on-site and then what we have in-house to answer questions and troubleshoot things. So we'll continue to look at that because, I mean, obviously, if the business doesn't pick back up, the cost structure is too big.
Richard C. Eastman - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: And when you look at the water business at Aclara, is there any risk here that the water business is increasingly moving through distribution versus direct sale? We seem to sit on expectations for wins and projects, whereas if you look at what's going on in the water industry in the March quarter and probably in the December quarter as well, we're seeing distribution sales in the water industry up and up generally double digit. So I'm trying to understand. I mean, you guys are more project-related direct sale, but is there a risk that the market is moving through distribution for local support or whatever? Again, I'm just -- if you could you just respond to that maybe?