Martin Salinas
Analyst · Gabe Moreen, Bank of America
Yes, you bet. With respect to leverage at Holdco, when you drop in the Sunoco assets, the debt comes with that. When you drop in the Southern Union assets, the debt drops in with that. We are operating on some internal leverage at Holdco to allow for some additional synergies to be had there, I need to go back and look and see where that, ultimately, would end up. But what I can say is that if all that gets consolidated up into ETP, so whatever intercompany financing we're doing at the Holdco level, when we reported it out to The Street, it will be on a consolidated basis. So it -- you may not see it -- we don't intend to put any additional external leverage at the Holdco level. So all that you'd see there, what's existing today is the SUN debt. Once they get consummated, that transaction gets consummated, and then SUN debt following down into Holdco. With respect to strategy, and I guess kind of the rationale behind Holdco, there are a number of things that are focusing here on. I think it's -- it was clear when we were attempting to acquire Southern Union, we would prefer it to be at the ETP level principal than Southern Union, saw it a little bit differently. And in order to get a transaction done, we ultimately agreed on ETE being the currency to acquire that acquisition, with the thought that down the road, we would move MLP assets into the operating MLPs, whether it be ETP or Regency. The Holdco transaction really pushes the control of those assets down into ETP, which we're pretty excited about. That gives our commercial teams the ability to go out and talk to our customers and really provide a very exceptional and robust suite of Midstream services across many geographic basins, which is key in this competitive environment. So that was a key strategy. We also, from a investment grade perspective, with Holdco being consolidated to ETP. I guess from a credit perspective, ETP, increased size, scale, but also the diversification that the rating agency certainly would look at. Based on the feedback we've from the agency, it was very favorable. And then there are also additional synergies within the Holdco structure that we think we'll be able to take advantage of, although some of those are going to be taxes.