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Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the EverCommerce's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Brianna and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Tuesday, August 6, 2024. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Brad Korch, SVP and Head of Investor Relations for EverCommerce. Please go ahead.

Brad Korch

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open

Good afternoon and thank you for joining. Today's call will be led by Eric Remer, EverCommerce's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Marc Thompson, EverCommerce's Chief Financial Officer. Joining them for the Q&A portion of the call is EverCommerce's President, Matt Feierstein; EverCommerce's incoming Chief Financial Officer and current Chief Accounting Officer, Ryan Siurek, and EverCommerce's Chief Operating Officer, Evan Berlin. This call is being webcast with a slide presentation that reviews the key financial and operating results for the three months ended June 30, 2024. For a link to the live or replay webcast, please visit the Investor Relations section of the EverCommerce website, www.evercommerce.com. The slide presentation and earnings release are also directly available on the site. Please turn to Page 2 of our earnings call presentation while I review our Safe Harbor statement. Statements made on this call and contained in the earnings materials available on our website that are not historical in nature may constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements are based on the current expectations and beliefs of management. Actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties that are described in more detail in our filings with the SEC. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise these forward-looking statements, except as required by law. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures to provide additional information to you, our investors. A reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP historical measures is provided in both our earnings press release and our earnings call presentation. Before we discuss second quarter results, I'd like to once again highlight the presentation of results in KPIs included in the earnings call slides and our prepared comments. As discussed last quarter, we announced the sale of our four fitness industry solutions in early March. The sale of the two North American solutions closed simultaneously with deal signing on March 13 and the two international solutions closed on July 1. Our GAAP results included two North American solutions to the date of closing, although two international solutions are held-for-sale and continue to be reported on the results of operations through the second quarter of 2024. As a result, revenue growth rates are affected by the sale of the North American assets. Operational metrics such as customer count, TPV, and customers enabled for more than one solution that we will discuss today have all been adjusted to exclude the fitness solutions on a pro forma basis. I will now turn over to our CEO, Eric Remer. Please continue.

Eric Remer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Thank you, Brad. On today's call, I will highlight second quarter 2024 results, dive into some key customer trends, discuss some case studies on our customer payment adoptions, and provide an update on our transformation and optimization initiatives before turning the call over to Marc to dive deeper into our financials. Turning to our second quarter highlights. Our reported revenue exceeded the top end of our guidance range with growth of 4.3% year-over-year. Pro forma revenue growth, which excludes the North American fitness asset sold in March, was 6%. Adjusted EBITDA of $41.2 million beat the mid-point of our guidance range, representing a 23.2% margin. Adjusted EBITDA margins expanded modestly year-over-year despite investments made into the business. Payments revenue excluding the fitness solutions grew 8% year-over-year, driven by our 8.4% growth in TPV. Driving payment adoptions continues to be a key element of our strategy, one that I will highlight with some case studies in a few moments. In the second quarter, our Board also increased our share repurchase authorization by $50 million and extended the program through the end of 2025. In the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 2.5 million shares for $24.1 million bringing our total repurchase since inception of our buybacks in mid-2022 to 15.6 million shares. At the end of second quarter, we had approximately $54 million remaining authorization. EverCommerce provides SaaS solutions for the service SMB economy. We offer tremendous value to our customers by providing solutions tailored to the unique workflows and interactions their various services require. Our software solutions not only provide the system of action necessary to run the daily business processes, but also the marketing solutions to attractive business, the building of payment solutions to collect effortlessly, and the customer experience solutions to create predictable and convenient experiences. Our solutions are…

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Thanks, Eric. Total reported revenue in the second quarter was $177.4 million, up 4.3% from the prior year period and exceeding the top end of our guidance range. This was also the highest quarterly revenue on record, but in total reported revenue, subscription and transaction revenue was $137 million, up 5.2% from the prior year period, and revenue for marketing technology solutions was $35 million, up 1.6% from the prior year period. We managed the business for sustainable organic growth and selectively utilized strategic acquisitions to augment the trajectory of this growth. As a result, we believe it's important for investors to evaluate our business growth on a pro forma basis, which is how we measure and manage the business internally. We calculate our pro forma revenue growth as though all acquisitions and divestitures closed as of the end of the latest period were closed as of the first day of the prior year period, including before the time we completed the acquisition or divestiture. We believe the pro forma growth rate provides the best insight into the underlying growth dynamics of our business. For the second quarter of 2024, year-over-year pro forma revenue growth was 6%, while year-over-year pro forma subscription and transaction revenue growth was 7.3%. The solid performance in subscription and transaction revenue was largely due to continued execution of our growth strategy to provide customers our core system of action software solutions and driving expansion by promoting cross-sell and upsell opportunities leading with payments. While we believe that our marketing technology solutions are stabilizing amidst continuing headwinds, their results negatively impacted consolidated revenue growth in the second quarter. As Eric noted, we also exceeded the mid-point of our adjusted EBITDA guidance range. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA was $41.2 million, representing a 23.2% margin versus 22.8% in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Bhavin Shah of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Bhavin Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Great. Thanks for taking my questions and Marc it's been great working with you. Just first of all, just it looks like marketing technology solutions kind of returned to year-over-year growth after a couple quarters declined. How much of that was kind of execution versus macro-related? And can you just broadly give us an update what you're seeing from a macro perspective and kind of what's embedded in the guide?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

So Bhavin, I'm not sure that that came through as crisply, could you repeat the second half? I think you were asking about macro climate and impact on revenue and then I just didn't catch the second portion.

Bhavin Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Yes. The first one, sorry, just did marketing technology solutions kind of return to year-over-year growth after a couple quarters of year-over-year decline. How much of that was execution versus macro and then just overall macro, what did you see in 2Q and kind of what's embedded for the rest of the year?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Got it. Sorry. Thank you. So marketing technology, the one for six, 1.6% growth this quarter versus I think slightly down quarter-over-quarter in Q1. I think look, on the margin it's a little bit of both. I think we continue to execute well, but the headwinds remain. So I don't really think much has changed. We continue to think we are stabilized. If you add the two quarters, first six months of the year, we're slightly down year-over-year, which is consistent with our guide, flat for the full year. In terms of macro trends for the full year, you want to comment on that…

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Yes. Thanks, Bhavin. We're not seeing it. We check -- we kind of constantly watching this and really started at the top of the lead funnel all the way down to retention statistics. And to-date, everything has been fairly stable in terms of seeing any macro trends. So nothing has changed in the business from a kind of macro perspective and that's reflected in the guidance for the rest of the year.

Bhavin Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Helpful. Just one quick follow-up. It looks like kind of payments revenue grew more in line with TPV growth this quarter, while previously kind of, it's been growing in excess of TPV growth. Any reason why they're converging today? And kind of how do we think about the relationship of both going forward?

Evan Berlin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Yes. Thanks, Bhavin. It’s Evan. Yes, I would just say, we talked about this, I think, last quarter in terms of take rate expansion and the control that we have over that, from both a pricing perspective to our customers and then our relationships with our processors, which we always work to optimize our costs. We continue to expect that there will be opportunities to expand TPV growth and ultimately take rate will kind of take care of itself as we have different program mix and utilization from our customers over a period of time. So we expect to have continued TPV growth and take rate expansion and optimization over the long-term.

Bhavin Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Thanks very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matthew Hedberg of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Mike Richards

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Hey guys, this is Mike Richards on for Matt. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe on the optimization initiatives, how is that trended relative to your expectations now that we're a couple of quarters in, and then maybe with the CFO transition, does anything change here in terms of timeline or where we're allocating resources and investments? Thanks.

Eric Remer

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Yes, I'll start on the CFO side. I'll let Matt talk about kind of where we are in the optimization. The answer is no. Nothing changes in terms of our expectations of our continuation on the optimization as well as the transformation. Fortunately, Marc has built a really strong organization from top to bottom, and we're very fortunate to have Ryan Siurek, who's been serving as a CAO for the last year has had previous experience and we believe will make a very smooth transition and really follow through with all the work that both Marc and the rest of the team has done to kind of put the optimization and transformation in motion. So in terms of where we are on it, Matt, you want to talk about that?

Matt Feierstein

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Yes. I think we focused last year, sorry, last quarter really highlighting the focus on the EverHealth and EverPro verticals really giving leaders in these verticals the organizational structure and the support they need to accelerate growth. So things like simplifying our organizational structure, decommissioning legacy brands, investing in key sales and go-to-market gaps, things that have impacted growth rate, obviously that's where we are focused from a transformation perspective. During the quarter, we continue to work with our third-party change management rep to define our next steps. We've made some key hires within those verticals as well. So excited, I think we are where we thought we would be from a transformation perspective and from an optimization perspective, I think you heard our remarks during the opening of the call. We are also where we expect it to be with real impact that we'll see pull through in 2025.

Marc Thompson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Yes. Just to double click on that, I mean, Eric mentioned a couple of transformation-related expenses that hit this quarter and that's a little front end loaded, if you will. We'll start to see the thread through the efficiencies we believe in the back portion of the year and then carry into 2025. But as I said in my remarks, we haven't seen a lot of that yet. And really this is all positioning the exit the year into 2024.

Mike Richards

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Thanks, guys.

Eric Remer

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ryan MacWilliams of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open

Hey guys, thanks for taking the question and congrats to Marc on a great run. Just to start, want to hear a little more detail on the puts and takes behind your net retention rate in the quarter? It seems like there was a pricing dynamic here on the comp basis. And then how should we think about what level NRR should stay at for the rest of this year?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open

Yes. From a puts and takes standpoint, I think you heard us mention this when we looked at -- when you look at the retention dynamics of the business in whole, we really saw a lot of consistency from that NRR perspective, obviously, we mentioned it last quarter. It continues to have impact from an anniversary of some larger pricing increases in one of our high velocity but lower ARPU solutions where we just won't see that quantum of pricing increase layer on top in this year. So we are seeing the impact of that anniversary and will likely for another quarter or so. But again with the stable retention dynamics, with our focus on cross-sell and upsell, our expectation is that NRR should stay in the neighborhood that it has been. And obviously, we've talked about the opportunity for that to continue to grow as our motions from a cross-sell perspective around payments around Edge are further integrated into the base of software customers, we obviously have opportunity to continue to take that up and north to the places that it has been and beyond.

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open

Thanks. And then, for Marc, just on the full year revenue guide, should we think about it as for the second quarter, revenue came in above the range, but for the full year, you're taking out the revenue contribution from the international operations as a part of the guide or is there other things we should think about relation to the full year guide? Thanks.

Brad Korch

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open

Yes, yes. Ryan, I mean, the revenue guidance is -- this is Brad, the revenue guidance we've given all year doesn't include fitness full stop. So I think if you look at the press release, we've delineated exactly what the fitness contribution was in the quarter. And so that's how you should compare those. I mean, yes, for the third quarter and the fourth quarter, it does not include anything. Operator, ready for the next question.

Operator

Operator

Yes. Thank you. Our next question comes from Alexander Sklar of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

John Davis

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open

Thanks for taking the question. This is John on for Alex. I want to start with cross-sell, specifically on the multi-solution customers. Can you talk about some of the puts and takes driving the growth there? It's still up nicely year-on-year, but it looks like the net add sequentially was below recent quarters. So anything you flag there, maybe seasonality or changes in go-to-market or maybe the sales fitness there, just any color you could provide there.

Eric Remer

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open

No, I appreciate the question. Thanks, thanks for that. It certainly, I wouldn't call that necessarily seasonality. Obviously a key focus on payments. We know we have a lot of runway from a cross-sell payments -- cross-sell perspective from payments, so big focus there. You've heard us talk about EverPro Edge. That is again another value-add solution that can be cross-sold into our system of action software basis. We have our customer experience solutions where again opportunity exists and we are executing on programs to cross-sell their -- those there. So some of those products are somewhat still early in their lifecycle like Edge. And so the consistency of those quarter-over-quarter may not be the right measurement period from that perspective, i.e. for example, we are -- in Edge, there are two solutions that we've lost it -- launched integration with. It may take us several more quarters before the next two integrations are launched. But those are in planning and those will be executed. So as we bring more integrated products to market quarter-over-quarter growth may not be the best look year-over-year, certainly would be the best way to look at it.

John Davis

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open

Okay. That's helpful color there. And then on the TPV growth here, I'm curious if you can maybe quantify, I think last quarter you guys called out that the top five solutions there were trending nearly 30% of TPV, I think was driven from those solutions, and that was growing 20%. I'm just curious; you may speak to how that does have trended there. Just the amount of growth generated by those businesses.

Eric Remer

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open

Yes. The percentage of aggregate TPV remains relatively stable 28%. It was the same last quarter and our growth rate of those top five solutions from a TPV perspective was 22% year-over-year. And that's really in line with what we spoke to from last quarter. Like we spoke then, still holds true in this quarter. That's where the core focus, the core investment from a payments penetration standpoint is in those top five solutions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mason Marion of Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Mason Marion

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

All right. Thanks for taking the questions. First, congrats to you, Ryan, on the promotion, and best of luck to you, Marc. So I'm going to touch on the capital allocation front. So, you divested several underperforming assets and have allocated more money to share repurchases. You've spoken about your increased focus on streamlining your current operations. We've heard from others that private valuations are starting to rationalize a bit. Can you talk about why this is the right time to focus more internally and allocate capital back into yourselves versus maybe externally and pursue more deals?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Yes. Thanks for the question. Look, we're always looking. We're constantly -- we have our pulse on the market, and although, they'll be rationalizing, they're still rationalizing from much higher points than we are currently trading. So from an accretive standpoint and a value standpoint that we think the underlying value of EverCommerce is, we and myself, the managing of the Board still strongly believe, it is a very good investment for shareholders to be investing in the buyback, so we'll continue to look at things even through our kind of transformation period. If something comes that makes sense economically and we think accretive to the organization will execute on that as well.

Mason Marion

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Great. And then you highlighted the point of sale traction within timely. Is there an opportunity to bring this technology to other parts of your business or GEOs?

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Yes, absolutely. When we think about the other top solutions that Matt mentioned, we either have point of sale solutions in market at some level or we'll be deploying them over the course of the next handful of quarters. So we're in the early stages of those opportunities. But as you pointed out, the timely case studies, great example. We expect to get nearly 50% of our TPV by the end of the year from point of sale transactions at timely. And there's opportunity to do similar types of efforts in those other top solutions and other parts of our business that have been point of sale enabled for some time. So it's a core part of the strategy in terms of driving utilization and share of wallet expansion on a go-forward basis.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Aaron Kimson of Citizens JMP. Your line is now open. Hello? All right. We will take our next caller Bill McNamara of Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Bill McNamara

Analyst · Citizens JMP

Hi, this is Bill on for Kirk. Thanks for taking my question. Are you guys seeing any increased price sensitivity from small business customers? And how do you see pricing as a long-term strategy for growth?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Citizens JMP

Yes, sure. I'll start and others may want to add. I think we've expressed this in past quarters. We look at price from a price to value standpoint. So we certainly want to, as we continue to enhance the value of the software that we're providing to our end customers, prices is absolutely a lever that we've used in the past and we'll continue to use in the future based on that, that, that price to value ratio. To the first part of your question, we've not seen any increased sensitivity from that pricing standpoint. We've got a long history with multiples -- with the multiple solutions that we have with pricing increases in the market. We certainly understand when we do that what the expectations of feedback and/or churn might be. And we watch that data very closely. We've seen no changes quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year from a sensitivity standpoint with any actions we've done this year.

Bill McNamara

Analyst · Citizens JMP

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alexei Gogolev of J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Hello everyone. You talked about some degradation of vendor management programs last quarter at mainly due to weaker macro. Have you seen any improvements there?

Eric Remer

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Sorry Alexei, we didn't catch the degradation that you were referring to that we had spoken to in the past quarter. Can you repeat?

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Degradation of vendor management programs?

Marc Thompson

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Are you referring to our EverPro Edge offering that we launched end of last year? We talked a little bit about in our Q1 call where we continue to see nice traction with that solution. That's part of what we obviously highlighted in Eric's case studies.

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Okay.

Eric Remer

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Or perhaps, yes, yes.

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

I was referring to some of the handling that you've seen in some other management programs. But in terms of the dynamics that you are seeing on the R&D and S&M sales and marketing side, could you talk about how long should we expect to see the elevated sales and marketing level during that transition process?

Eric Remer

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

I think in terms of sales and marketing expense, obviously, we tightly manage that and commensurate with growth and really do. It's very much part of the balancing growth and profitability motion. It has been relatively stable. I expect it to be operating in that range. Having said that, the organizational transformation initiatives we've been referring to that we've been developing into this year, and as we start to execute into the second half, along with some of the optimization initiatives, we do expect that we will continue to get more out of that investment and we will continue to drive growth investments where we need to drive into our best solutions where they offer the best revenue growth opportunities going forward. From a product development standpoint, it's very similar. We're investing obviously not just to keep our solutions current within the market, but also investing in new solutions such as EverPro Edge that we talked about at the end of last year and into this year, as well as continuing integrations of payments and so forth and other cross-sell initiatives, so that we would expect will continue to also be within a binge. But continuing to invest behind growth as we continue to try to reaccelerate that growth profile going into 2025.

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Perfect. And if I could squeeze one more, please. Where would you say you are in the adoption curve for different customer groups in terms of payments? Obviously, on this call you've again highlighted loans as the front runners. But just curious on the how you're driving attach in your other verticals.

Marc Thompson

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Yes. Listen, it depends on the vertical and it certainly depends on the solution within that. In certain places, we are further along the maturity of that based on the micro vertical and just the long-term necessity of payments in the workflow. So if you look at pest control software, for example, we have long -- that has long been embedded in the solution of the system of action software solution as a core part of the workflow and it's a requirement from that that end contractor. And penetration is definitely more on the mature side. You can compare that to other places where we're still really early on in the maturity curve. This could be a place where we have introduced payments to that workflow in a software within the last one to three years and we're still ramping those penetration efforts. So it varies across the portfolio and our management to that is really system of action software solution specific.

Alexei Gogolev

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open

Perfect. Thank you very much for your answer.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from Aaron Kimson of Citizens JMP. Your line is now open.

Aaron Kimson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

All right. Thanks so much guys. Talking to myself in here on mute earlier. I apologize. Can you give us an update on the EverHealth consolidation? Is that trending ahead of the rest of these optimization and brand consolidations where we won't see as much until 2025 and beyond given that you kind of started with EverHealth?

Eric Remer

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

Hey Marc, let's go.

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

Was the question -- thanks, Aaron? Was it about EverPro or…

Eric Remer

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

EverHealth.

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

The EverHealth, yes.

Aaron Kimson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

EverHealth.

Marc Thompson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

So I think we've talked over the last couple of quarters about both the brand rollout and website optimizations. If you take a look at our core solutions, they're all by EverHealth, the sub products by EverHealth. We've invested over the past couple of months and bringing new leadership from a commercial go-to-market perspective, which has started to -- start to see the fruits of those investments from a conversion improvement perspective or increase in ASP, actually reduction in sales cycle time. And when you look at payment enablement attach on new customer acquisition, we increased that from the low-30s in Q1 to the mid-50s in Q2. So my answer would be we've seen good progress in terms of both the transformation and the optimization of how we are going to market and bringing those products into the market to deliver value to both new customers and the existing customers that continue to expand their share of wallet with us.

Eric Remer

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

And I would just add, I think you asked, is that the -- when we think about the broader transformation program, does that follow EverHealth? And absolutely certain components of what we have done in EverHealth over the last year plus when you look to our other verticals, specifically EverPro operational consolidation like we've done at EverHealth, that's a model that we will follow brand consolidation, product consolidation will look different across our verticals, but certainly some form factors of what we've done in EverHealth will follow at EverPro.

Aaron Kimson

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

That's very helpful. Thank you. And then maybe as a follow-up, I think, you all may have touched on this a bit, but are you seeing any increase in charge-offs or customers that are unable to pay on time? And then just if not, how do you approach that? It was a big theme on the Zoom info call last night and I love to hear how EverCommerce thinks about it.

Matt Feierstein

Analyst · Citizens JMP. Your line is now open

So why don't I take a shot at that? I think for the most part our customers pay by credit card on a monthly subscription basis or obviously, we're paid on the payments motion in different ways, so we don't see a ton of that. And we really haven't seen any change where we do have receivables; we haven't seen any change in pattern of behavior amongst our small business customers.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This now concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Eric Remer for closing remarks.

Eric Remer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Thank you so much. We were pleased with our results and look forward to continuing our transformation optimization throughout this year and through 2025. And just want to have a following remark as this will be the last time Marc joins our earnings call. A genuine thank you for all the work you've done over the past almost eight years as an organization grew up with Marc and he's done an amazing job both providing value across organization and also building a legacy within his organization. So we have the ability to promote from within and have a really great leader to step up. So thank you Marc for all your contribution.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.