Executives
Management
Kelly Adams - Vice President, Corporate Communications Dominic Ng - Chairman, President and CEO Irene Oh - EVP and CFO - :
East West Bancorp, Inc. (EWBC)
Q4 2009 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 27, 2010
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Executives
Management
Kelly Adams - Vice President, Corporate Communications Dominic Ng - Chairman, President and CEO Irene Oh - EVP and CFO - :
Analysts
Management
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets Chris Stulpin - D. A. Davidson Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Operator
Operator
Hello and welcome to the East West Bancorp fourth quarter 2009 conference call. All participants will be in a listen only mode for this event. (Operator Instructions) After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to ask a question during the question and answer session, (Operator Instructions). Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Adams. Miss Adams the Floor is yours, ma'am.
Kelly Adams
Management
Thank you and good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us to review the financial details of East West Bancorp for the fourth quarter of 2009. Here today to review the results are Dominic Ng, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Julia Guow President and Chief Operating Officer and Irene Oh Chief Financial Officer. We will then open the call to questions. First I would like to caution participants that during the course of the conference call today management may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding events or future financial performance of the company within the meaning of the Safe Harbor Provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We wish to caution you that these forward-looking statements may differ materially from actual results due to a number of risks and uncertainties. For a more detailed description of factors that affect the company’s operating results we refer you to our filings with the Securities & Exchange Commission including our annual report on Form 10K for the year ended December 31, 2008. Today’s call is also being recorded and will be available in replay format at www.eastwestbank.com and www.streetevents.com. I will now turn the call over to Dominic.
Dominic Ng
Management
Thank you, Kelly. Good morning and thank you all for joining us in today’s call. Yesterday afternoon we announced the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2009. I am pleased to report East West returned to profitability in 2009, with net earnings for the full year of $76.6 million. The bank's return to profitability came earlier than we originally projected due to the gain from the acquisition of United Commercial Bank in November of 2009. Our return to profitability for 2009 follows a single loss year 2008, the only loss year for East West, in nearly 30 years. Prior to 2008, East West achieved record earnings every year for over a decade. Our core banking business remains strong and we are back on track to deliver solid earnings and long-term value for our shareholders in 2010 and beyond. Throughout last year and from the onset of the economic downturn, we consistently focused on executing on all strategic actions, which allow us the exceptional opportunity to acquire UCB, nearly doubling our asset size to $20.6 million, now, let me briefly highlight some of the actions we have taken. First, we successfully completed our capital plan, as you know in 2009; we launched an aggressive capital plan that resulted in over $600 million in new capital. A total risk based capital ratio is now at 20%, twice the regulatory requirement of 10%, to be considered a well capitalized bank and substantially higher than most of our peers. With the acquisition of UCB, our total deposit reached a record $15 billion and more importantly, a legacy UCB deposits have stabilized and have rebounded nicely in the past few weeks. We also achieved very healthy organic and core deposit growth from our legacy East West bank side and our average, cost…
Irene Oh
Management
Thank you very Dominique and good morning to everyone. On November 6, 2009, East West acquired substantially all of the assets and assumed substantially all of the liabilities of United Commercial Bank from the FDIC in an FDIC assisted transaction. Through this acquisition, East West almost doubled the balance sheet to $20.6 billion, added $6.5 billion in deposits and $5.9 billion in loans net of discounts. Additionally, we greatly expanded our deposit franchise footprints in both the United States and in Asia. In the U.S. we added over 60 branches and now have presence in Asian American communities outside of the state of California, in New York, Boston, Atlanta, and Seattle, in addition to Houston, where we already have a branch. In China, we now have two full service deposit taking branches. We believe strongly that from a strategic rationale, the acquisition of UCB is very synergistic. We expect substantial cost savings after we complete the full integration of all systems. Although we have increased our earnings power substantially, the credit risk is minimal as the FDIC shares in 80% of the losses and our 20% share of the expected losses had been written off in the purchase accounting markets we took. Further, the loans covered under the FDIC loss share agreement and the FDIC indemnification asset carries a 20% risk waiting making the transaction very capital efficient. I would like to spend the next few minutes to discuss our integration process, and what we have been doing since November 6th. The integration of UCB is progressing smoothly and we expect a full integration of all systems to be completed by the end of April, 2010. I am pleased to report that two of the four loan systems have been smoothly integrated. Overall, legacy UCB deposit retention has been successful.…
Irene Oh
Management
Thank you, Julia and good morning to all. For the fourth quarter I am pleased to report net income of $259.7 million or $1.96 per diluted share. Our financial results for the fourth quarter of 2009 include a pre-tax gain of $471 million from the UCB acquisition, offset by $140 million provision for loan losses and $45.8 million impairment loss on investment securities. Reported today, earnings also included additional revenue net of $51.1 million during the period since the acquisition until year end as a result of early pre-payments from covered loans. Subsequent to our acquisition of UCB loans were paid down or paid in full and the $74.4 million discount associated with these loans was released into interest income. Additionally, the corresponding FDIC indemnification assets and receivable that has been estimated for these loans was also released and resulted in a $23.3 million net reduction in the FDIC indemnification asset and the FDIC receivable. We do not expect that the payoff activity we experienced in those 55 days when we acquired UCB in 2009 will continue at the same elevated pace. With other past acquisitions, we have also experienced a higher level of pay offs immediately afterwards which was significantly reduced in subsequent quarters. As such, we do not expect this elevated income from the UCB portfolio to occur on a regular basis. Through purchase accounting we marked the loan portfolio and wrote down the $7.6 billion portfolio by $1.7 billion, or about 22%. We also effectively marked the portfolio to a market interest yield of about 6.25%. The core income from the UCB portfolio will continue to yield at this rate until the loans pay off or are disposed of. Excluding the impact of the yield adjustments to the covered loans the net interest margin for the fourth…
Dominic Ng
Management
Thank you, Irene and welcome to your first day on the job. With that, I'm ready to open to any questions.
Operator
Operator
Yes sir we will now begin the question and answer session (Operator Instructions). The first question we have comes from Ken Zerbe of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley
Management
Thanks. The question I have is on your net interest margin. It sounds like the guidance that you gave the 380 to 390 for the first quarter did not assume any accretion from the pre-payment income similar to what we had this quarter. First of all, is that correct and second of all, sounded like you almost expected to lease some of it just a lot less. Should we be expecting at least a little bit of that so little higher than your named guidance going forward?
Julia Gouw
Management
Ken this is Julia. You are correct. The 380 to 390 does not include pre-payment, you know, that will cost discount accretion to be higher. So you know, it's very difficult to predict how much additional prepayment, if anything. You know like I would like to make a conservative assumption, because we would expect that the prepayment will slow down, compared to the Q4.
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley
Management
Okay. And then, all right I guess that makes sense and make here on estimates there. And then just the other part of the NIM question was or is, how much of the NIM improvement that we are seeing really relates to just the core legacy or the core fundamentals of your business versus you know the amortization of the discount on the loans and the FDIC receivable? Excluding the pre-payment income?
Julia Gouw
Management
The East West legacy core net interest margin would go up probably 5 to 10 basis points you know it’s because of the rate adjustment. But you know, combined with the UCB and you know, like in a regular discount accretion, because we are discounting the loans that we acquired at about 1% higher than the loan rate. So you know, that is how it got added to the net interest margin and combined on the ongoing basis, well for 2010, I think that you know, it's safe to think that 380 to 390 is a core net interest margin.
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley
Management
Understood. And I'm sorry how much exactly in basis points does the accretion add?
Julia Gouw
Management
The accretion, adds about $36 million a year. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let me backtrack. You know, actually the accretion is about $50 to $60 million. So including 380 to 390 is about $50, $60 million a year on accretion in 2010. If you want to backup that, that would be the net interest margin without any accretion at all, just based on the contract rates.
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley
Management
And that $50 to $60 million extra that stays with you for five years or so?
Julia Gouw
Management
Three to five years. You know, because the loans will pre-pay, eventually.
Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley
Management
Great. Okay, thank you very much.
Operator
Operator
And the next question I have comes from Aaron Deer of Sandler O'Neill and Partners Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Hi good morning everyone and congratulations Irene on your new position.
Irene Oh
Management
Thank you. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Just looking at the commercial real estate trends in the core portfolio, it looks like the delinquencies in overall NPA level there, hopes that are going to improve a bit can you talk about what you are seeing in terms of customer performance and your concerns that are going forward? Are you beginning to see more cracks there? Or are things stabilized?
Julia Gouw
Management
I think our CRE loan portfolio has been holding up very, very well. The delinquency continues to be very low. So although we are very cautious, because that is what everybody is expecting what will happen in 2010, that CRE will be the hot spot. We haven't seen that in our portfolio. But we think that you know like we always look at our portfolio as having lower loan to value and higher debt coverage ratio compared to the other banks, so we hope that you know, even if CRE, is getting stressed this year, that our you know like risk is a lot less than most other banks experienced in the CRE. But that is what we have seen so far. It is very, very low delinquency in the CRE portfolio. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Julia I know it is very early in the process but to the extent that you have been kind of digging into the UCB portfolio, are the trends there that you are seeing better, similar or worse than kind of what you expected, based on the discounts that you took at the time of the deal?
Julia Gouw
Management
So far it looks about okay based upon our purchase accounting marks, what we estimated as credit losses for the entire portfolio. And slowly, we have gotten some offers to sell the notes and so far the discounts have been slightly less than what we were discounting the loans at. So we at this moment feel pretty comfortable that the total losses will be within the credit marks that we originally booked at the date of acquisition. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Okay great.
Operator
Operator
And the next question we have comes from Joe Morford of RBC Capital Markets.
Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets
Management
Thanks. It's actually Dave King for Joe. Can you talk about what drove the drop off in NPA's this quarter, any of your loan sales, the marks you took? Also any color on the inflows? Maybe the amount and how that compares to the third quarter?
Irene Oh
Management
Hi, this is Irene. Definitely we did see kind of a smaller number of loans that went into nonaccrual. In the quarter also we sold notes about $180 million in total for the quarter. So that helped also.
Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets
Management
Okay. And then just one follow-up. You've given guidance for a $70 million to $80 million provision in the first quarter. Do you guys think that will cover the charge offs then? And what are the thoughts on losses and general reserve building going forward I guess, after that?
Irene Oh
Management
Yeah, what we expect in 2010 is we will not draw down on the reserves. As long as the market has not shown strong recovery, most likely we will not be drawing the reserve. So the probation that we have should be about the charge of that we will be experiencing in 2010.
Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets
Management
Okay. Thanks.
Operator
Operator
And the next question we have comes from David Rochester of FBR Capital Markets.
David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets
Management
I have a quick question on the expense trends. Once the cost saves are in place, where do you see that quarterly run rate by the time we get to the fourth quarter? You talked about 25% to 30% cost saves excluding OREO expense which is generally volatile. Are we talking about maybe an $80 million run rate o $85 million? Any color there you can provide?
Julia Gouw
Management
We think about 85 is a good number to use.
David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets
Management
Excluding the OREO?
Julia Gouw
Management
That's correct.
David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets
Management
Okay. And just another quick one on the core NIM. Excluding any fed rate hikes for the rest of this year, where can that go from the first quarter? Could we see a little bit more upside through the end of the year or do you think that 380 to 390 is probably good through the rest of the year?
Julia Gouw
Management
I'm think in a flat rate environment I would expect the margin to be stable within that 3.8 to 3.9. And so because we are not planning to reduce the, or may not have that much potential reduction in the cost of funds, so I would say that 3.8 to 3.9 based upon the stable rate environment would be pretty close to what we expect the margin to be.
David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets
Management
Okay. And what's your longer term view on that? Assuming rates start to rise in 2011 and granted, you would have to have a pretty clear crystal ball to figure out where the Fed's going to go with rates but just in general, you're a little bit asset sensitive still, I take it. And if that's the case, where should the margin end up going?
Julia Gouw
Management
Yes, we are slightly asset sensitive. However, if the rate increase is very, very small, there is a high likelihood that the floor we have on the loans, because they are right now above the full spread. So we will not be experiencing an increase in loan yields, in the very small fat rate increases. So I think that however, if it increases 200-300 basis points that we will see a slight expansion in the margin.
David Rochester - FBR Capital Markets
Management
Okay.
Operator
Operator
And the next question we have comes from Lana Chan of BMO Capital Markets.
Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets
Management
Hi. Good morning. Do you have what the restructured loans were in the quarter?
Julia Gouw
Management
As of 12-31, total TDR's was about $120 million, very similar to what we had as of September. I think it was 116.
Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets
Management
Right. Okay. And what tax rate are you assuming for 2010?
Julia Gouw
Management
40%, Lana, because statutory 42% and our tax credit about $7 million. So, roughly about 40%.
Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets
Management
Okay. And then Dominique, any sort of update in terms of I guess relations over in China and what the thinking strategically is with the UCB China bank?
Dominic Ng
Management
As of today, we are still basically just stabilizing the organization in China and we still are waiting for the final formal approval from the CBRC, the regulatory body of China to officially grant us the license and the name change. So before we get those official documents all taken care of we are not trying to do too much there. And so all we're doing is just working with the staff, stabilize the organization and work out the non-performing loans and that is what we are doing now.
Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets
Management
One last question, if I could. You are thinking about repaying the TARP sometime this year. So are you assuming that you are not going to have to raise any additional capital to do so?
Dominic Ng
Management
We don't know yet. Because we obviously would need to get the regulatory opinion in terms of what they think is the appropriate way to take care of the TARP. We looked at where our capital ratio right now we feel that it is adequate and also the earnings power that we have, give us, put us in the position that clearly we will have plenty of earnings to take care of that too. But then, we also wanted to try to take care of it this year. So with that in mind, I think no one, I think, I don't think that the regulators or us would have any kind of question about ability to pay back TARP. But when it comes down to timing, if we want it sooner, then they wanted to have us to raise some capital. But at this point it is too early for us to tell and then there is also if we come to that point, that we wanted to pay, but we may not want to raise capital, we may just wait another quarter or two. If this is something that we, if it is not something set in stone, or there is not any kind of official debt line that our board set that we have to do, so we are just going to play it by ear and see how it goes.
Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets
Management
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Chris Stulpin of D.A. Davidson. Chris Stulpin - D.A. Davidson & Co: Good morning. I guess my only question remaining is the timing of the potential branches that you intend to consolidate. I think you mentioned what? Two are previously scheduled, were they in New York? Or could you give me some clarification there, please?
Dominic Ng
Management
We have the total, all together, after very, very intense and careful consideration and go through all the leases and the deposit base and then the location and so forth, we came to the final conclusion today that there are seven branches closure. Two of them were already slated by the former UCBH management and the former board. They already notified the customers and we are just going through the motions on the behalf of the former management decision. And there were five more we decided since November, after we have taken it over from the FDIC, five more that we decided we will close, due to various reasons. And one of the seven, in fact, one of the two that was originally slated to be closed by the former UCBH management is from New York. So there will be one branch in New York will be closed out of the nine. So currently, I think we will expect, going forward, we will only have eight branches in New York. Chris Stulpin - D.A. Davidson & Co: And are those closures embedded in your cost saves that I think Julia or Irene mentioned earlier?
Julia Gouw
Management
Yes. Chris Stulpin - D.A. Davidson & Co: Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Julianna Balicka of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: Good morning thank you for taking my questions. Congratulations Irene, I have a couple of quick questions. One, for this quarter's operating expense, what amount would you classify as merger related charges kind of in a typical M&A fashion for operating exclusion?
Julia Gouw
Management
: About $5 million. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: $5 million, very good and do you have the balance of the delinquent loans as of December 31, please? That is 30 to 89 days past due?
Julia Gouw
Management
Yeah, 30 to 89 days is about $150 million and then $78 million for 90 days plus. If you look at in total, our total delinquency to total loans is only 1.65%. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: And that 150, 80, 30 to 89 past due does that include any non-accruals or those are accruing 30 to 89?
Julia Gouw
Management
That does include about $90 million of loans that are under 90 days but also on non-accrual. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: Could you repeat that?
Julia Gouw
Management
About $90 million. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: Okay. Very good and final question and I will step back. On the income from the UCB covered loans, there are roughly $50 million you were talking about for 2010. How can I think about that between the income, that is associated with impaired versus non-impaired loan? Meaning accretion yield versus what you would normally I think if I am getting my accounting correct would be considered regular interest income?
Julia Gouw
Management
These are all accretion. So it will be into the interest income. It will show up in the net interest margin of the 3.8% to 3.9%. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: So that is all the income that is associated with all of the UCB loans impaired and non-impaired?
Julia Gouw
Management
Correct for the accretion only above the loan interest income we are getting from the borrowers, that's correct. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Jeanette Daroosh of JMP Securities.
Jeanette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Good morning thank you for taking my questions and Irene congratulations.
Irene Oh
Management
Thank you, Jeanette.
Jeanette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Just a couple of quick questions if I may? In terms of the EPS guidance that you have provided for the first quarter, does that include a presumption of the conversion? The additional shares?
Julia Gouw
Management
Yes, the conversion of the C-shares in the first quarter.
Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Okay very good.
Julia Gouw
Management
And that is also included in the fourth quarter because there it is a mandatory convertible.
Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Okay. So the $130 million is a representative of all of the shares that you anticipate issuing?
Julia Gouw
Management
The first quarter it will increase to $145 million because that $130 million that was issued in November. That's why for the quarter it's only 130. But going forward you can use about $145 million.
Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Okay. And then going back to Julia's question regarding the accretion of discount, what is the accounting treatment that we should think about in terms of the indemnification asset? That is impacted, is it not by how much you had freed into earnings?
Julia Gouw
Management
No that is impacted by the credit marks. So if we have an assumption of total credit losses, if that goes down, then the FDIC indemnification also goes down because the FDIC indemnification assets represent the 80% loss shared by FDIC.
Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Okay so the accretion of the discount is not indicative of any kind of better credit performance?
Julia Gouw
Management
No. No at all. Because if the accretion because the discount rate on the entire portfolio is higher than the loan rate.
Jeannette Daroosh - JMP Securities
Management
Okay. All right. Thank you very much. That's all I had.
Operator
Operator
And so no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to East West Bancorp management for any closing remarks.
Dominic Ng
Management
Thank you. And so if there is no other question, I want to thank everyone for joining us on this call and we look forward to the opportunity to talk to you again in the next few quarters. Thank you, Bye, bye.
Operator
Operator
And the conference is now concluded. We thank you for attending today's presentation.