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Expensify, Inc. (EXFY)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 9, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Expensify’s Q3 2024 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that all the information presented on today’s call is unaudited, and during the course of this call management may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on management’s current expectations and beliefs, and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements in the earnings release that we issued today, along with the comments on this call are made only as of today, and will not be updated as actual events unfold. Please refer to today’s press release and our filings with the SEC for a detailed discussion of the risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today. Please also note that on today’s call management will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. While we believe these non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information for investors, the presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation, or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to today’s press release or the investor presentation for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures. And, with that, I’ll hand it over to Anu to get us started.

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Thank you for that intro, Niki. I am pretty excited to walk all of you through our third quarter’s financial performance and highlights. Notably, we’ve made some pretty key strides towards stabilizing the business, improving the core fundamentals, and also laying down a stronger foundation for a future growth. So let’s dive into the details. First off revenue, in Q3, total revenue came in at $35.4 million. This is a 6.3% increase quarter-over-quarter. And we also beat the street’s consensus forecast. So we’re pretty excited about that, pretty proud of that. Now, admittedly, this was a 3% decrease year-over-year and that reflects some lingering challenges in the business. But on near-term momentum makes us more optimistic about the upcoming quarters, and the new Expensify platform is also expected to continue to pick up and contribute towards the revenue growth. In Q3, average paid members came in flat quarter-over-quarter at 684,000, and that represents a 5% decrease compared to the same period last year. Interchange from the Expensify Card was $4.6 million and that was a whopping 48% increase compared to the same period last year. And that is a pretty key highlight this quarter and I will get into some more detailed on that in a few slides. Let’s talk a little bit about cash performance. A standout highlight for Q3 was our free cash flow performance, which came in at $6.7 million. Now, operating cash flow, which includes the timing of customer funds, came in at $3.7 million. Net loss was $2.2 million in Q3 with non-GAAP net income of $5.4 million. Last, but perhaps the most exciting is our adjusted EBITDA, which came in at $9.7 million. Now, the continued improvement in profitability and free cash flow is driven by two things, a higher interchange take rate as…

David Barrett

Management

Thanks for that, Anu. So at this point is where I typically go through the roadmap and talk about basically the new developments we’ve had since. But I would say for the Q3 quarterly highlights right now. I’d like to talk about what we’ve learned on the road. So as mentioned last quarter, we put a lot of work into taking the product out to market and we’ve been at a couple conferences and got a lot of real world feedback from customers and the feedback has been great. I think in the process we sort of learned some really key things with the value of new Expensify and why it’s going to create so much value in this market. We call it kind of the 80-20 advantage. And so, if you really think about it, what we’ve found is that expense management historically has only ever been able to automate about 80% of the workflow. And that’s basically as much of the workflow you can automate from the information that’s on the transaction itself, either off the credit card transaction or off the receipt. But at some point there’s a remaining 20% and the 20% is where all the actual pain of expense management is. And that’s the information that isn’t on the transaction itself. It’s information they have to go and actually ask a human about, and that asking a human is the part that everyone despises, because that’s where you actually have to go nag your employees or if your employee just to get nagged by your accounting team, and no one likes that part. And that part’s because it’s information required to code the expense that only a human knows. And so, the first part of new Expensify is trying to automate the process of gathering…

Operator

Operator

Fantastic. I believe, Aaron, you’re here from JMP. We’ll get started with your question.

Aaron Kimson

Management

Yeah, that’s great. Thank you guys so much. I guess the first question, just off of your last comment there, Dave. For Expensify Travel, any idea on what the revenue contribution is today? And how big a piece of the business, do you think that can become over time?

David Barrett

Management

Well, I think it can become quite big, because I mean, travel and expense, teeny is the entire category. And so, I think that we’re seeing that it’s just becoming sort of table stakes for expense management in general. And so, every one of our customers I think has basically a travel requirement. And so, I think it has the potential for actually offering quite a lot of lift, Now, we’re still getting started with it, we’re rolling it out and you’ve got great early traction, but I don’t think we have anything we’re sort of ready to share at this point.

Aaron Kimson

Management

Okay. That’s helpful. And then switching to capital allocation, so the company bought back 646,000 shares [from, Dave, at $2.34 per] [ph] share on August 28, and that was the only stock the company bought back in 3Q. Can you help us think about how you plan to manage the buyback going forward between repurchasing shares in private transactions like that one versus buying shares in the public market, where your stock is super liquid?

David Barrett

Management

I’d be curious for any new thoughts on this, but my quick thoughts are I think that we’re very opportunistic. I mean, we’ve built up quite a cash reserve that we can use and deploy very quickly. And so, I don’t think we know exactly the best way to deploy it in the future. But as we’ve shown, we’re pretty flexible and, I think, we’re investigating all opportunities. But, Anu, I’d be curious what you think of that.

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Yeah, I agree. We’re pretty bullish on the company. We, a lot of what my business or like financial highlights, focused on was really just getting the core fundamentals to a really strong place. And now that we are in that place where we feel like the business is kicking off cash and doing it reliably and we are optimistic in terms of growth. I think in the future quarters, we should be a little more bullish in terms of doing buybacks, but we don’t have anything concrete to share just yet.

Aaron Kimson

Management

Okay. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

Perfect. Steven, I believe you’re here with Citi.

Steven Enders

Management

Hey, great, thanks for taking the questions here. I guess I want to ask on the sub-user side and good to see that ticking up and stabilize. And, I guess, curious if you have an idea of maybe what’s helping support that that tick up like is there something that you feel like you’ve done that’s helping drive that number in the right direction or does it feel like the macro’s getting better? Just kind of how would you kind of articulate maybe what’s going on there?

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Yeah, I can take this. So we are – like I was saying, we are pretty optimistic going into the future quarters as new Expensify sort of ramps up more and more and we start to send more and more of our traffic there that conversion’s going to perform much better and new customer growth is going to do better. And, I think we’ve talked about this in the past quarters, the really big driver for paid member growth in general over the years has always been existing customers increasing their usage on Expensify, so only really – they were really only 2 years that that particular metric was stressed. That was in 2020 peak-COVID and then 2023. And largely when customers are still using the product, but they’re not expanding, and we’ve looked at the correlation between that and churn, try to see if it may be an early indicator, but it isn’t, largely it seems driven by macro. So we all know that last year and even some parts of this year have been, there’s been a lot of news about layoffs, companies aren’t expanding overall. So that kind of makes sense that that metric is stressed. And we talk about this more next quarter, so that we have a full year’s worth of data, but we are seeing some of that existing customer usage expansion sort of rebounding. So I think that’s definitely giving us some tailwinds.

Steven Enders

Management

Okay. All right. That makes sense. And then maybe on the go-to-market side, and I know there’s been some, I guess, evolution of what that looks like through this year. So, how are you kind of seeing the most recent kind of changes resonating and how are you kind of viewing the efficacy of some of those investments?

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

You mean on the new platforms specifically?

Steven Enders

Management

Yeah, just in terms of the go-to-market and trying to capture new users and customers and all that.

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Yeah. So we’ve always had the most amount of success with organic channels. So like SEO, word-of-mouth, just the strength of our brands. So we see a vast majority of our new signups and even just visitors coming directly to us. And that kind of continues and it’s a really good leading indicator always that we are never starved for leads. So we continue to keep on doubling down on improving conversion, like improving sales efficiency, but also the product’s ability to convert better and better. With our new platform, we still in early days, what we are doing is sending all of the smaller leads to our new platform in order to really dial-in conversion, so that we can keep what’s working, improve what’s new, and then start to redirect all of our new leads to the new platform. And that effort is probably going to take us the next few quarters and we’ll have more substantial numbers or specific numbers for you down the line. But, overall, I think our go-to-market, and that’s part of why we are able – business is able to kick off cash so effectively, is because we are doing really well in organic channels and in word-of-mouth and continuing to focus on conversion. So that’s sort of still the focus of our go-to-market efforts. Did that answer your question?

David Barrett

Management

Yeah. And maybe I could add to that a little bit. I would say I think that – I agree with everything on you just said. And I would say a big part of the go-to-market strategy is building a product that just inspires leads and customers more. And just to give kind of like one anecdotal example, so we go to a SuiteWorld every year and we go with basically the same pitch, same product and things like this. And it’s always been a very, very good conference for us, because NetSuite is a major partner of ours. We do very well on that channel. And so, we went to the same conference with the same size booth, but this year we were pitching new Expensify rather than Expensify Classic, and that produced about 61% more leads out of that conference. Again, everything was the same except for the platform. And so, I think we see that the major strategy for long-term growth is really just to launch a platform that inspires and captures the imagination of customers better, which translates into more viral lead generation through word-of-mouth and higher conversion. And so, I think these are very cost effective ways to increase the conversion of our existing organic lead structure and then double down on those organic leads.

Steven Enders

Management

Okay. That’s great. That’s helpful context and a great example there. So I appreciate you taking my questions here.

Operator

Operator

Fabulous. Eric from Lake Street Capital, I believe you are able to join us.

Eric Martinuzzi

Management

Yeah. I had a question regarding the interchange from travel traction. You had obviously a nice shift here, Q2 to Q3, are we seeing any green shoots in interchange from the travel offering that you guys have? And if not, when should we see that?

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

I don’t think we are breaking it out in that degree of detail. And if I’m being honest, do you mean like travel as a product doesn’t always – like a customer that is using travel as a product isn’t always using our card. So there’s – I’m not sure what the connection is between those two from an interchange perspective.

Eric Martinuzzi

Management

Yeah, it was just to the extent they’re using the card to book travel.

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Okay. Yes, I think that is probably not meaningful, because that’s a pretty subset of what we would look at both in terms of card spend travel and travel’s total spend on card.

David Barrett

Management

Yeah, maybe I would say one of the, I think, advantages that we have in the marketplace is our card agnosticism that we support all third-party card feeds. And so, I think it’s great and I think things do work best when you use the Expensify Card in conjunction with Expensify Travel, but there’s no requirement to. And so, certainly, I think a lot of our Expensify Travel customers just continue using their existing corporate card program. And that’s fine, we make money other way.

Eric Martinuzzi

Management

Okay. And then second question is regarding the increase in the free cash flow, I joined the call late, but were there cost efforts taken to the point where you had maybe a reduction in force or are these more on the cost of goods side where you’re continuing to squeeze costs out of the business?

Anuradha Muralidharan

Management

Yeah, it’s the latter. We didn’t have any workforce decrease or anything like that. We are continuing to operationally get more efficient and that is the second driver. So there was the higher interchange take rate, but also operational efficiencies taken together gave us a higher free cash flow margin.

Eric Martinuzzi

Management

Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Fantastic. That was everyone we have on the call live.

A - David Barrett

Management

Great. Hey, well, it’s been a real pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us for this call. We’re very excited about this quarter’s results, and we can’t wait to talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thanks, everyone.