Catherine Ford Corrigan
Management
I can touch on that one as well. So, we are we are very much keeping an eye on the macroeconomic environment, both from the standpoint of the demand side with our clients, as well as the talent side. What we are finding thus far, if you look at our reactive business, that's driven primarily by litigation with a significant portion around product safety and recall. Those historically have been areas that have continued even during recessionary types of environments. Not surprisingly. We don't see filings generally go down with that sort of environment. The pandemic was an exception because of the physical constraints associated with court closures. But in prior economic downturns, if you go back to maybe 2008, 2009, we saw reactive work continue through that period, really only impacted by clients actually going bankrupt, which happened in the automotive industry back in 2008. From the standpoint of our proactive work, what we really have seen in past recessionary environments is that the innovation driver continues to be strong. We find in the electronics industry, or now in the automotive industry, they continue to need to innovate their complex products, even if they're selling fewer units. And we've seen that tendency to keep that design consulting work going. In the life sciences arena, we continue to see those fundamental market drivers, like the aging population and health equity challenges. These are big drivers for our business and that innovation driver. Our risk work is driven by things like climate change and extreme weather for utilities. And so, those drivers continue to be there. On the regulatory side, that's a significant portion of our proactive work. Our clients still need to get their products through those safety frameworks. And so, those products are increasing in complexity, and those regulatory frameworks are increasing in complexity. We've seen in the past that some of those clients do outsource less, but we've also seen some of those clients outsource more if they're slowing or freezing hiring on their end. And so, for example, our chemical regulatory business continued to grow throughout that 2008-2009 timeframe. So, look, we're keeping a close eye on that side, as well as the talent side. And we're not immune by any stretch. Our clients look very carefully at their budgets, and particularly in these types of environments. But what we found, based on the nature of our market drivers and the history we've got, we've got some immunity, so to speak, on our work. Our demand continues.