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Extreme Networks, Inc. (EXTR)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 31, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Extreme Networks Q4 FY '19 Financial Results Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Stan Kovler, Head of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Stan Kovler

Analyst

Thank you, Operator. Welcome to the Extreme Networks fourth quarter fiscal 2019 earnings conference call. I'm Stan Kovler, Executive Director of Investor Relations and Strategic Development. With me today are Extreme Networks' President and CEO, Ed Meyercord; and CFO, Rémi Thomas. We just distributed a press release and filed an 8-K detailing Extreme Networks' fourth quarter fiscal 2019 financial results. For your convenience, a copy of the press release, which includes our GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations and our fiscal year '19 Q4 financial results presentation are both available in the Investor Relations section of our Web site at extremenetworks.com. I would like to remind you that during today's call, our discussion may include forward-looking statements about Extreme Networks' future business, financial, operational results, acquired technologies, products, operations, pricing, changes to our supply chain, the impact of tariffs, pending acquisition of Aerohive Networks, and digital transformation initiatives. We caution you not to put undue reliance on these forward-looking statements as they involve risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements as described in our risk factors in our reports filed with the SEC. Any forward-looking statements made on this call reflect our analysis as of today, and we have no plans or duty to update them except as required by law. Now, I will turn the call over to Extreme Networks President and CEO, Ed Meyercord.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Thank you, Stan, and thank you all for joining us this morning. Today, we announced Q4 results at the high-end of our expectations, our revenue of $252 million above our guidance range of $240 million to $250 million. We're inching closer and closer to our 60% gross margin goal at over 59% ahead of history, and non-GAAP earnings of $0.06 per share at the high-end of our guidance range. For fiscal '19, we achieved $1 billion in revenue, improved our gross margin despite headwinds from tariffs, and finished off our year by taking action to improve our cost structure heading into fiscal '20. We also generated $82 million in free cash flow in fiscal '19, paid down $20 million of debt and ended the year with $170 million cash balance. We're on track with our pending acquisition of Aerohive having already received U.S. and German antitrust approvals, and see clear line of sight towards closing the transaction shortly after our tender offer, which is currently set to expire on August 8. We reorganized our software engineering team under new leadership to combine with a DevOps Cloud management team from Aerohive to hit the ground running. Our intent is to bring cloud management to our entire portfolio of Enterprise Wi-Fi, network switching, and software to accelerate pitcher velocity. We are exiting fiscal '19 with the knowledge and confidence that our solutions are winning in the marketplace. Last year, we had over 110 customers investing more than $1 million worth of Extreme products and services. In Q4 alone, we closed 23 deals of $1 million or more, up from 17 in Q3. We're winning larger deals and see this trend continuing, based on the growth of these large software-driven opportunities in our pipeline. In Q4, our Smart OmniEdge Solutions drove performance and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Eric Martinuzzi of Lake Street. Your line is open.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst

Yes. I was curious to know if you've got any plan or what are your plans are as far as educating the channel, obviously you're looking at some disruption here with the addition of the Aerohive product, but what steps have you taken thus far to get that locked and loaded post close?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

So, what we're doing right now is -- there's a lot of work going on as far as our product roadmap going forward and I think the teams are doing a pretty nice job with that. As I mentioned, one of the things that we've done is we've reorganized. So, your software engineering team is moving under new leadership and then we're going to put the DevOps Cloud team from Aerohive under that same group as we go forward, and we're in the process of mapping out that product roadmap. What we would normally do in this situation, particularly in this quarter, let's say, business as usual, and then -- but we will expect some people to sort of pause a bit to evaluate the new technologies. And then, we'll be providing a very clear guidance. We are enabling both our field as well as our partners on the Aerohive platform. So, there is that initiative, and at the same time, we will be enabling and educating the Aerohive partners and field on our switching portfolio. So, there's a natural fit in the channel, and what we've heard is there's a lot of demand within our channel for cloud-managed platform. Interestingly, a lot of our partners are very familiar with the Aerohive platform, and had some concerns about their viability. So, now that they're with Extreme, they're really excited to be able to sell that. There is some overlap in the channel with our partners who are selling both, and then on the Aerohive side, there's a very clear opportunity for us to add switching, they have a very limited switching portfolio and obviously that's one of our strength. So right now, the teams are working on clarifying the future roadmap. That'll take us a little bit of time. At the same time, we have initiatives for both the channel and our field teams to get educated on the technologies.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst

Okay. Second question has to do for the fiscal 2020 outlook. Obviously your guidance here for Q1 on the legacy business is relatively flat year-on-year, and yet you're talking about full-year of low single-digits. Does that anticipate a recovery in your European business?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

It does. A lot of what's happened with the macro issues in Europe, and specifically in Germany, and what we call our "Dark Region," have been what opportunity is pushing out. So we don't see opportunities going away. We see them being more delayed, and we fully expect that to come back because there's clearly demand for networking and there is clearly growth in networking with the solutions that we're selling in that market.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst

Okay. And then last question for me, on the anticipated revenue contribution from Aerohive in your fiscal Q1. I think you said $15 million basically a half quarter contribution. If I look at their business a year ago in their September quarter they did $33 million. I'm wondering, if you could explain that delta there between - because it looks like they're just their June quarter was kind of flat year-on-year and yet based on your implied full quarter contribution it would seem like they would be down year-on-year in September.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Why not let Rémi pick up that one? Rémi Thomas: Yes. So we're basically, obviously looking in detail at the business. One factor that you need to take into account is a deferred revenue haircut and so that's factored in and then obviously there's when the company has been acquired there is always a bit of a transition happening. And then you don't necessarily know the exact number of days we have in the quarter, but when we take their outlook, which actually north of $33 million for this quarter factoring the pro rata take into account the deferred revenue haircut will be around roughly $15 million.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst

Understand. Thanks for the explanation and thanks for taking my questions.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Thanks, Eric. Rémi Thomas: Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Silverstein of Cowen. Your line is open.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Guys, can you hear me?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Yes. We can hear you. How are you doing, Paul?

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

I'm good, and yourself? If I could just take you back to the previous question, so looking at the first quarter guidance organic and taking into account your comments for the year the discrepancy growth is that entirely due to the macro in particular to Europe or there any other issues?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

We're also being a little bit conservative on the Wi-Fi business because we're putting together two Wi-Fi companies and our experience although we don't see a huge amount of overlap in the customer base but there's overlap in the product portfolio. When you combine two Wi-Fi companies together you typically would expect a bit of revenue dis-synergies and so the outlook for the year includes the expectation that at least for Q1 and Q2 we'll not see a recovery in EMEA and we do expect to see an improvement in the second-half. And then around the consolidation of the Wi-Fi portfolio, there will be bit of a revenue dis-synergies in Wi-Fi revenues; those are the two factors that we take into account to guide for this sort of low single digit organic growth for Extreme Core.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

But Rémi, the discrepancy between the -- look at the organic on the, on the quarter for the first quarter versus your growth outlook for the year, if I just think organically I just want to make sure that that's entirely due to the micro or that's also wireless LAN. Because I would think that the wireless LAN side, I appreciate your comments about the revenues to synergy is no different than any other deal. But I trust Wi-Fi 6 should be a rising tide. I recognize products just coming out from you and others. But I trust that should be a rising tide over the next 12 months and you also benefit from it no different than your competitors. Rémi Thomas: That's correct, although the contribution from Wi-Fi 6 in Q1 would be still a low percentage of total Wi-Fi revenue.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Right. So we -- again, just focusing on the discrepancy between Q1 guidance relatively flat organically, the 235 to 245, 240 midpoint versus your commentary about the growth for the year. That's all macro or that's also the wireless LAN, this synergies or is there other stuff in there? Rémi Thomas: That's macro, that's the Wi-Fi and that's the product cycle. So we are seeing already a good momentum in Smart OmniEdge switching which really drove the revenue performance in Q4. We do expect to see good momentum in Automated Campus and Data Center as we hit Q2 and Q3 and specifically in Data Center there's a number of releases, SLX, which is the next generation platform that should drive a stronger growth in that specific business compared to what we see in Q1.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

All right. But at the rest -- stating the obvious, given you're counting on the macro situation in Europe, those pushed out deals, you're counting on those coming in and being able to recognize them throughout the year to hit the guidance. Does that go without saying?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Yes. I think that's fair, Paul. The other thing I would mention is we've made a lot of acquisitions. Our team has done a fabulous job as far as integrating and we've learned a lot. One of the things we learned is that there is we will have some of our customers that want to look at the Aerohive platform and so there could be some delays in some of the opportunities that we're looking at as people want to evaluate the Aerohive platform. The other thing that we commented in this release is the fact that we integrate cross-selling opportunity and what we're seeing today in retail that were so encouraged about is the massive switching opportunity that we have with the former Zebra customers which is that 50% of the Fortune 50, a lot of the large retailers, transportation logistics companies, the logos. It's just it takes a little bit longer than you might expect. So we want to be conservative on cross-sell but we do believe that there's a pretty significant cross-sell opportunity.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Okay. One last question for me and I hope I'm not confusing you with someone else but I think last quarter you've cited the UK as well as Germany as being the primary drivers or among the primary drivers of some weakness. I'm not sure you mentioned -- I heard you mentioned Southern Europe and Germany. I didn't hear any reference to the UK. Did UK resolve itself in particular your reference UK relative to Brexit not surprisingly. But would that not an issue this quarter?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Yes. It was not an issue and when we talk about Brexit, Germany there -- in Europe their largest export market is the UK. And so, the manufacturing sectors in Germany with a slowdown and export business affects the dark region for us. So even though it's a Brexit event it's really affecting dark more than in the U.K.; the strength for us in education and healthcare and across our verticals in the UK. The UKI and Benelux markets for us have been very resilient, particularly at the Edge and then our automated campus offerings.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Great. I'll pass it on. Thanks guys.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Christian Schwab of Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Yes, great. Thanks for taking my question. So, we did $989 million roughly, so we were just in the standalone business, we're not looking for much growth in 2018 to 2020 and now we're going to layer on Aerohive will have some of the synergies and deferred revenue haircut for this year and then but as we look to -- let's get beyond 2020 if we can for a minute or I'd like to. We'll have all of our cost savings done in the core business to drive it to 15% operating margins. Rémi, I think you've mentioned in the past you would hope to get Aerohive's business to similar margins actually this year, which sets up [Technical Difficulty] really good earnings regardless of any top line growth. The next question I really have though is as you look at your business on a combined business and through a series of numerous acquisitions that create scale. What are you guys thinking about as far as a top line growth objective on a multi-year basis? Rémi Thomas: Yes. I think we've -- Christian, it's a good question. Longer term, we're not satisfied with low single digit growth. And I would gradually step that up for us and I think it's going to take us a while to see how the portfolio matures. Obviously cloud managed networking and then shrink it down to the wireless LAN application, cloud-managed wireless LAN is the fastest growing segment at that marketplace and we think customer adoption is going to increase where these customers are going to start looking at cloud management as a tool not just for wireless LAN but across their switching portfolio and frankly across the enterprise. We think we're -- we're as well-positioned or better position than anyone else in the industry to deliver on this. So if -- you know, depending on how that trend in the industry plays out, we are going to be a very strong competitor to everyone else in the industry and we think with the third-generation cloud that we have the dev-ops team that we're bringing over and the investments that we're going to be making there, we're going to be able to roll out more features, micro services, connect to our switching portfolio and provide that cloud management experience for enterprise better than anyone else. So, depending on how this trend catches and depending on how this plays out, we would expect even higher growth. These things, as you know, take time. It's also a function of cross-sell and how we do across the cross-selling platform which is obviously another catalyst for growth. And then we just have built-in growth from that deferred revenue coming back from a recurring revenue perspective.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Right, in 2021, what -- can you remind us on a combined basis - I think before you talked about roughly 18% of your revenue being Wi-Fi. So we could just, add on Aerohive to come up with a percentage of revenue that could grow very strongly. Is that fair? Rémi Thomas: That is the correct number.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Perfect. And then my last question, it has to do with customer adoption of Wi-Fi 6. I understand a pause in the channel or customer base regarding platform comparisons between yours and theirs, but is there any update on the sales cycle of Wi-Fi 6 and when would you anticipate that sales cycle to begin to shrink and more meaningful customer adoption to begin? Do you have any thoughts there?

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Yes, I think we've -- Wi-Fi 6 for us was probably one of our most successful new product introductions in the company. A lot of that has to do with how we've changed that process inside of Extreme and the pre-marketing that we're doing and the building a pipeline before the products are G8. So from that standpoint it's been a very successful product launch and it's gaining a lot of momentum and some of the customer highlights that we're pointing out, we're seeing I mentioned leads back at university, I mentioned the stadium when the Titans which we didn't talk about in its release Wi-Fi 6, The Houston Dynamo, Major League Soccer the BBVA stadium in Houston. So I guess I would say as we're seeing around the world and within our target markets we're seeing the adoption of Wi-Fi 6 gain momentum pretty significantly.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Great. No other questions. Thanks, guys.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Okay. Rémi Thomas: Christian you mentioned our revenue was $988 million, it was $996 million, please don't take $8 million from us, we worked really hard to get that revenue.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Sorry, I was just looking at my last note, but thank you, Rémi.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Paul Silverstein of Cowen. Your line is open.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Appreciate you answering the follow-up. Guys, can you also just repeat the bookings numbers? I think you gave it regionally. I see it from a revenue perspective EMEA and APAC were both down meaningfully on a year-over-year and on a sequential basis. And I think you already addressed EMEA in your previous comments, but can you talk about what you're seeing from a bookings looking forward in those regions? What the trends are and issues if any? Rémi Thomas: Sure. So we don't typically disclose our blocking. So I was happy to get the product book to bill of one and comment on trends, but we're not…

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Yes. Well Rémi, just to be clear, so putting aside the exact bookings numbers, what accounts rate that was down 38% year-over-year and 39% sequentially? EMEA was down 30% year-over-year and 22% sequentially. When you look beyond as opposed to looking backwards, you look forward what's going on? Rémi Thomas: I'm going to round some of the percentage and give you trends, but the America enjoys a sequential recovery in bookings that was in the mid-30, so very strong performance. EMEA was close to 10%. APAC was mid-to-high single-digit recovery. And we did see a drop in our service provider that we and which we treat as a fourth region in bookings. And that's -- that's a more lumpy business because it's essentially driven by -- our job there is not, so whether we get a big deal and we got a huge deal in Q3, but we don't - you see lumpiness that that business was down 15% to 20% in bookings and the overall number was a 16% sequential increase that I mentioned with book-to-bill at 1.1%.

Paul Silverstein

Analyst

Great. All right, well, I'll take the rest offline. I appreciate it. Thank you for that color. Rémi Thomas: Thanks, Paul.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Operator

There are no other further questions. I'd like to turn the call back over to Ed Meyercord for any closing remarks.

Ed Meyercord

Analyst

Okay. Well, thank you everyone if you join us on the call today. As always, I want to thank the Extreme employees, it's a very busy time for all of us at Extreme. Given at the end of our fiscal year, given the moves that we've taken inside the company to restructure and then the fact that we're moving so quickly down the path of acquiring Aerohive and you people have been working really hard and we're really excited about what all this brings for the new Extreme. We're looking forward to sharing updates about our investments in the new software platform and cloud platform as well as the upgrading our new products at several investor conferences. We have Oppenheimer, Jefferies, Citi Global Tech and D.A. Davidson coming up during the quarter and we hope to see you there. So, thanks again and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.