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Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 8, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone. My name is Nikki, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome you to the First Advantage Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Hosting the call today from First Advantage is Stephanie Gorman, Vice President of Investor Relations. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's event is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Stephanie Gorman. You may begin.

Stephanie D. Gorman

Analyst

Thank you, Nikki. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to First Advantage's Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. In the Investors section of our website, you will find the earnings press release and slide presentation to accompany today's discussion. This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay on our Investor Relations website. Before we begin our prepared remarks, I would like to remind everyone that our discussion today will include forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors. These factors are discussed in more detail in our filings with the SEC, including our 2024 Form 10-K and our Form 10-Q for the second quarter of 2025 to be filed with the SEC. Such factors may be updated from time to time in our periodic filings with the SEC, and we do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements. Throughout this conference call, we will also present and discuss non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures to the extent available without unreasonable effort appear in today's earnings press release and presentation, which are available on our Investor Relations website. To facilitate comparability, we will also discuss pro forma combined company results, consisting of First Advantage and Sterling Check Corp. historical results and certain pro forma adjustments as if the acquisition of Sterling had occurred on January 1, 2023. The pro forma information does not constitute Article 11 pro forma information. I'm joined on our call today by Scott Staples, our Chief Executive Officer; and Steven Marks, our Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will take your questions. I will now hand the call over to Scott.

Scott Staples

Analyst

Thank you, Stephanie, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call. We have 4 key messages for today. First, we delivered solid results in the second quarter at the upper end of our expectations. Our revenue performance was supported by the strength of our sales engine and increased scale. We also continue to see the positive impacts of our accelerated synergy realization efforts. This is evident in our Q2 adjusted EBITDA margins of over 29% as well as in our nearly 30% year-over-year adjusted diluted EPS growth. Second, we are continuing to successfully deliver on our post-close priorities and are ahead of schedule on the integration of our $2.2 billion Sterling acquisition. This includes a consistent emphasis on our products and customers while continuing the integration process, focusing on customer retention, actioning synergies and reducing net leverage. Third, we are executing on our FA 5.0 strategy with a focus on delivering results across 3 core elements: increasing share in our target verticals, accelerating our international growth and actioning our best-in-breed product and platform strategy to accelerate upsell and cross-sell. We are driving results while maintaining our relentless focus on cost discipline and carefully navigating the current uncertain macro environment. And fourth, today, we are reaffirming our full year guidance, which Steven will cover in more detail shortly. Now turning to Slide 5 and a closer look at our results in the second quarter. We were very pleased with both our top and bottom line second quarter results, reinforcing our conviction in our resilient business model. For Q2, combined upsell, cross-sell and new logo rates continued to perform in line with our long-term growth algorithm targets. Retention remained high at over 96%, consistent with our past results, demonstrating our team's strong customer-centric focus. Base saw sequential improvement from the…

Steven Marks

Analyst

Thank you, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Today, I'll provide color on our Q2 results, our synergy progress, our deleveraging trends and our reaffirmed 2025 guidance. Starting with second quarter results on Slide 9. Our second quarter revenues came in at the top end of our previously stated expectations at $391 million, up 1.5% versus the last year on a pro forma basis. In Q2, the trends in our base performance continued to moderate, remaining negative on a year-on-year basis, but on par with how we had forecasted the quarter. Our go-to-market success was in line with our long-term growth algorithm targets with the combined contribution of new logo and upsell/cross-sell revenues delivering 9% growth in the quarter, and our retention remained at its high level of over 96%. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $114 million with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 29.2%, an improvement of 270 basis points versus the prior year on a pro forma basis. These results were enabled by our continued focus on accelerating synergies, our disciplined approach to cost management and the scalable nature of our business. As part of the integration process, we are applying best-of-breed fulfillment execution, which is bringing the combined company's operating margins in line with our historical expectations of our business. Adjusted diluted EPS was $0.27, a 29% increase year-over-year and well ahead of our expectations. The benefits of our greater scale, expense and capital management and lowered interest expense as a result of our voluntary debt payment in May have allowed us to realize enhanced flow-through of profitability to our per share earnings and more than offset the impact of the incremental interest on the transaction financing and the dilutive impact of the new shares issued for the Sterling acquisition. On Slide 10, you can see how…

Scott Staples

Analyst

Thank you, Steven. In closing, I would like to reemphasize First Advantage's position as an investment of choice. We are a market leader, offering proprietary technology and data in a large and growing market. We have significant organic revenue growth potential accelerated by the Sterling acquisition. We are resilient with a flexible cost structure and high revenue diversity that comes from our balanced vertical strategy. We have industry-leading operating margins, leading to strong and consistent free cash flow generation. And we have a track record of value-accretive capital deployment and balance sheet management. All of this supports our confidence in our ability to achieve consistently strong results, including delivering on the 4-year financial targets we established during our Investor Day. As I wrap up the call, I want to thank the entire First Advantage team for their hard work and consistent dedication to serving our customers. With that, we will open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Ashish Sabadra with RBC Capital Markets.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst

So the change in the base growth assumption for the back half of a growth -- modest decline. Is that broad-based across all verticals? Or given it's more due to the tariff and policy uncertainty, is it much more focused on the retail and e-com vertical? So any color on that base will be helpful.

Steven Marks

Analyst

Yes, Ashish, it's a little bit more broad-based. As Scott and I mentioned, with the evolving policies on tariffs, on immigration, we just -- there's been an overall tone of just that wait and see, and it's not really specific to one vertical. With our assumptions going into the year, we had based at, we'll call it modestly positive, but essentially flat for the second half of the year. And we're just -- based on what we're hearing, we're derisking that a little bit, but it's nothing specific to an individual vertical. It's really just an overall market perception item.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst

That's very helpful color. And I was just wondering, have you heard from your clients anything on the GenAI front? Have they pulled back on the hiring or slowed down on the hiring because of the GenAI initiative? So any color on that front will be helpful.

Scott Staples

Analyst

Yes, Ashish. We're just hearing a consistent message from our customers. It's not specific to anything. It's, again, as Steven said, a lot of wait and see. I think you hear this across all industries and all companies that it's a wait and see as to what's going to happen in Washington with policy. It's not specifically tied to anything specific. It's more of just a general response. But in general, our customers are actually cautiously optimistic with their view of the macro. And the wait and see is more of a Washington policy byproduct versus anything specific.

Steven Marks

Analyst

And then, Ashish, I guess on the GenAI front, I think what we're hearing from customers generally is they're still reviewing how they're going to use it. And I think we've seen, in some instances, it hasn't -- it's changed how they're hiring and where they're hiring, but -- and it's allowing them to save in some places and invest in others. But I think it's still a little too early to see kind of a larger macro trend out of that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel.

Shlomo H. Rosenbaum

Analyst · Stifel.

I want to just dig a little bit more into the verticals. You talked a little bit about transportation and retail. Could you talk a little bit about some of the other ones, in particular, maybe the staffing and a lot of times staffing is a leading vertical. And if you can -- anything else where you thought there was a standout really upside or downside?

Scott Staples

Analyst · Stifel.

I think a couple of points here, Shlomo. As we've mentioned in the past maybe 2 quarters or so, we really have seen an overall narrowing across our verticals of the swings in terms of positives and negatives. So when we're talking about positives, there's not any -- really any double-digit positives and not any double-digit negatives. So everyone has kind of moved into a tighter range. Staffing definitely held its own in the quarter. Financial services also did well. We mentioned health care, a slight tick down, but we're not too concerned about that. I just think it's a little bit of a blip. It's such a strong vertical. And with the aging demographics in the U.S. that will continue to perform well in our view. So no real big swings and no real callouts in the verticals. But I think maybe a little more color on transportation would be helpful because that's one of the areas you would think would be slightly affected by lower retail or tariffs or whatever it might be. But I think it's important to note that we have over a dozen products in the transportation space. And some of those products are completely resilient to the macros because they deal more with the actual truck and not the driver. So we're doing things like handling registration and title. We're doing the gas tax submissions to the federal government. We're doing a lot of compliance-related things on both the driver and the truck, which aren't actually tied to the new hiring. So that's why transportation has just held up so beautifully for us over the past couple of years. But other than that, no real major callouts on the verticals.

Shlomo H. Rosenbaum

Analyst · Stifel.

Okay. And then just piggybacking a little bit more off of what Ashish was talking about, did the quarter in general play out? In other words, the hesitation or what you're expecting from the wait and see, did that change in the quarter? Or is that like subsequent to quarter end? I'm just trying to understand the quarter seem to be pretty good. And is it just, hey, we're looking at it, looking around and saying, given the uncertainty, we just want to kind of temper the back half? Or is there anything within the clients' own actions that you're seeing that kind of warrants that? I guess, is it client driven? Or are you just trying to get ahead of that?

Scott Staples

Analyst · Stifel.

So I wouldn't say it's action driven. I'd say it's client conversation driven. So we haven't seen any clients do anything specific here, it's more of the conversations with clients are they're being cautious about their back half. The quarter panned out better than we thought. The order volumes just came along sort of consistent and nice throughout the quarters. And I think it's also important to call out and note that July did also very well. So instead of 6 months of strong data, now we have 7 months of strong data. So we are being a little cautious maybe on the back half. But again, the wildcard is less to do with our customers and our products and our services and our company and probably more to do with Washington policy.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair.

Andrew Owen Nicholas

Analyst · William Blair.

I wanted to ask on international growth. You mentioned in your release and in your prepared remarks that you're seeing momentum there. Any metrics you could provide in terms of growth there? I know in your Q, you disclosed kind of the legacy businesses international growth, but would love to hear a little bit more about that. And somewhat relatedly, is there a difference in kind of the underlying growth algorithm in international right now compared to the Americas? Are you seeing better works base growth there, better new logo growth? Any more color would be great.

Scott Staples

Analyst · William Blair.

Yes. I'll let Steven cover the algorithm part of that question, and I'll just give you a broad view. So we're obviously very happy with what's going on with international. It was up 7.2% in the quarter. And I think if you remember going back over 2 years ago, international was really the first region to take a dip and has come back really nice over the last couple of quarters. So now this is 3 or 4 quarters of really good growth internationally. So I think there's a couple of things driving that, Andrew. One is we're kind of seeing the region stabilize and grow again. So customers are hiring in the region. Two, a couple of years ago, we changed our go-to- market strategy in international and diversified by going after more of the high-volume hires. And they have really helped. And we -- of course, we landed them and they have really helped diversify that region in terms of a vertical strategy. And we've had some new logo big wins, and they're now live and contributing to the revenue. So I'll have Steven give you a little more detail on the algorithm. But overall, the region has done well from a regional diversity, a vertical diversity and obviously, the sales engine is working.

Steven Marks

Analyst · William Blair.

Yes. No, Andrew, everything Scott is saying is coming through on the numbers. Actually, in this quarter and quarter 2, our international segments outperformed our Americas, in fact, on every line item of our growth algorithm. Like Scott mentioned, there's a lot of momentum in the go-to-market, so new logo and upsell, cross-sell kind of based on our vertical strategy. And actually, base did really well internationally in Q2. EMEA and the U.K. market, in particular, had a strong quarter. I think some of that stability, there's probably a little pent-up demand there because they've had a few London policy items get settled to over the last number of months. And then, of course, the FX stabilized. It didn't really get better. It wasn't -- obviously, it was a little headwind in the quarter, but less than 10 basis points. But it really performed well kind of in all phases of the game, if you will.

Andrew Owen Nicholas

Analyst · William Blair.

Great. That's helpful. And then for my follow-up, I wanted to ask on upsell, cross-sell. So another consistent quarter there. Within that 5% figure, is there any way for us to think about how much the Sterling and First Advantage cross-sell is contributing? I don't know if that's something that you can track or not. I'm just curious if you're seeing early revenue synergies in that line or if that's something that we would expect in the out years?

Steven Marks

Analyst · William Blair.

Yes. Andrew, we really don't track it that way. I think it's also a little early. Like Scott mentioned in his remarks, one of our big kind of recent milestones is now some of the back-end platform work our product and tech teams are doing, where now we're able to offer that work opportunity tax credit WOTC services, which was something traditionally only available on the FA platform is now available on all platforms. And now we can go out and cross-sell that. We've mentioned a couple of the other products that will be coming online on that same availability. So I think as more of that comes around, you'll start to see some of that potential kind of incremental, but it just reinforces our long-term confidence in the growth algorithm. I mean what you're seeing come through now is kind of the fruits of the labor of the teams for the last 12 or 18 months of just building a strong pipeline and executing on it.

Scott Staples

Analyst · William Blair.

Andrew, I would think -- I think a lot of the revenue synergies are more of a 2026 outcome because our initial focus from a product and platform strategy was to deliver things that would improve the experience, and that covers a lot of different things. Like, for example, we rolled out CLICK, CHAT, CALL to the Sterling installed base in May. Obviously, with WOTC, we do have a potential revenue synergy there. But a lot of the back-end stuff that's been doing -- we've been working on is just making turnaround times faster by bringing the First Advantage automation to the Sterling back end and taking some of the best-in-breed from the Sterling platform to the First Advantage platform. So this is improving the candidate experience for both sets of customers, and it's improving the performance from a turnaround time and quality standpoint. And that was primarily the goal of 2025, and it's really 2026 where we'll start to see more of the revenue synergies.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan.

Andrew Charles Steinerman

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. Just 2 quick ones. When you say July was on par in terms of trends with the overall second quarter, is that a base revenue comment or a total organic revenue growth comment? And when you -- you have the slide about getting to -- this is -- I can't find the slide. when you're getting to the -- I found it -- sorry, Slide 12. When you're getting to the net leverage targets of 3x or under, does that assume any voluntary prepayment or not assume it? And when would be other opportunities for voluntary prepayments?

Steven Marks

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Andrew, great question. So I think the July trends, you're probably right on both regards. I think we're seeing the continued trend of that base normalization occur. And we're also, at that same time, still hitting on upsell, cross-sell, still hitting on new logo, still having strong retention. So it's just a real continuation and evolving of that trend. And if you recall, base really turned negative on both companies back in the second half of 2022. So you get a little easier comp to go with it. So you got that normalization trend, the continued success of the controllable go-to-market and then just that a little bit easier comp. So we're starting to -- it's starting to evolve a little bit how we assumed it would. But as Scott mentioned a couple of questions ago, it's always good to see that month come through the data and have 1 less month of risk to carry. On the net leverage comment, I think we talked about a little bit at the Investor Day in May. I think we would expect to continue to take some of our excess cash flow each quarter and make voluntary prepayments. As I mentioned, the new tax law will help bolster our free cash flow in the second half of the year. That only passed July 4. So that will impact our future federal tax payments. So we'll have a little bit more cash on hand as we get into Q3 and Q4. And as we get to those quarter ends and take stock of our cash balances, I'd expect to make roughly a quarterly debt prepayment.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Manav with Barclays.

Ronan Kennedy

Analyst · Barclays.

This is Ronan Kennedy on for Manav. If I may, Scott, I have a 2-part question on labor market data. I think we understand that JOLTS and more specifically churn have been the leading indicator, but cognizant of some potentially diminishing correlation. So JOLTS estimates for June, they declined relative to May, I think, as did weakened hiring separation data or rates rather. So the first question on JOLTS is, does this reconcile to what you've been seeing? And then the second part of the question, I think the July jobs report was set to a flip labor market script to show that hiring has been cooling faster than accelerating. And I think also outside of COVID, it was the largest 2-month downward revision since 1990, which actually included 3 recessions. So how does this correlate? And how should we expect it to correlate if there is a further weakening in the labor market? And contemplation of what you're considering for 2H outlook?

Scott Staples

Analyst · Barclays.

Yes. First of all, I'd say, it's -- BLS and JOLTS data is a data point. It's not an exact correlation. So no, we did not see a correlation between our order volumes and the BLS data. I think if we just maybe bubble it up to a higher level, BLS is basically a little bit too late a data point for us to understand like what the trends are. We actually focus on our order volumes and our customer conversations. And what we tend to see is a very good correlation between BLS, JOLTS data and SMB. And that's something we have seen pan out over the last year or 2 is our SMB business tends to correlate fairly directly to BLS data. But keep in mind that SMB is only 6% of our revenue. And I think one of the great resiliency stories of First Advantage is our focus on enterprise. That's why we're always happy to announce enterprise wins over the quarter and over the last 12 months because, to us, that's the better indicator. And also, BLS data is experiencing some issues. The response rates for BLS data have come down dramatically over the last couple of years. So it's not as reliable as it used to be. But again, I see it as one of the only government data points that's out there. But I would say just think of it as a data point, and what we would rather run our business on is actual order volumes and conversations with customers.

Ronan Kennedy

Analyst · Barclays.

Got it. And then with the revision of base performance for 2H, to slightly negative or modestly positive. I think with the expectation for continued productivity on up and cross, the new supported by the pipeline, and I would imagine the 18 enterprise bookings and retention in line. Is there some element of overperformance expected in those given that the guide was maintained and the confidence in the midpoint?

Steven Marks

Analyst · Barclays.

I'll step in. Yes. I think a little bit -- remember, we've also got those 2 and 3 big deals that Scott talked about and gave updates that will come online that might help just -- when we talk about the historical performance, skew us to the higher end of that a little bit. And then you're right, I mean, ultimately, if you just do the math, that's about 4.5% growth, and we got base literally just a hair negative. So you're getting roughly that normal contribution out of that -- out of the upsell, cross-sell, maybe a little higher than it's been in the last couple of quarters because you've got 2 big deals coming online, but still retaining clients at over 96%. So not too far off.

Scott Staples

Analyst · Barclays.

Yes. And I think one of the strategic initiatives that we've been focused on for the last year or 2 is how to improve onboarding and accelerate that revenue faster. And I think we're seeing that with these 2 deals that we talked about from Q1 is that they actually were onboarded sooner than we thought and are accelerating revenue more than we thought. But again, we're being a little bit cautious about the back end just because we can't control what's going on in Washington.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kyle Peterson with Needham.

Kyle David Peterson

Analyst · Needham.

Great. I want to start off kind of a modeling question, particularly on interest. I noticed you guys took that down a little bit in the modeling considerations. I guess my main question would be, does the updated outlook for that, does that fully contemplate the repricing on the credit facility as well as the voluntary prepayment? And do you have any like rate hikes -- or sorry, rate cuts baked into that outlook either?

Steven Marks

Analyst · Needham.

Yes, Kyle, I mean the updates there, yes, kind of 2 real things. One -- well, 3, right? One, we made a voluntary payment after we kind of gave out the last guidance. So we adjusted for that. But certainly, we've got the 50 bps drop in the rate out of the reprice. Obviously, that's only in there for 5 months because that only happened last week. We've also, yes, accounted for the $25 million we prepaid last week. And then in terms of rate environment, in our internal model, we've got that pretty much stable through the year. I think we've kind of priced in one 25 bps cut, but like in December in our internal model. So I know there's varying points of view, and it's an elusive one. So we kind of took a more conservative approach in our interest rates that they hold steady for the most of the year.

Kyle David Peterson

Analyst · Needham.

Okay. Okay. That's super helpful. And then maybe just a follow-up, particularly in the competitive environment now with another quarter of having Sterling under your belt. It seems like the wins are going well. Obviously, base growth is what it is. But I guess, have you guys noticed now with a significantly larger platform, do you guys -- is it easier to go to market? Are you finding like win rates or anything have improved or gotten better now, just given the scale you guys now have and are able to boast? Just anything high level as to what you guys are seeing in the market or based on client conversations would be super helpful.

Scott Staples

Analyst · Needham.

Yes. I mean, as you know, this is a highly competitive and fragmented market. There's lots of mom-and-pops. There's lots of midsize, there's lots of competitors. And our historical win rates have always been good and continue to be good and continue to improve. But I don't -- we don't correlate it to anything, but keeping our head down and focusing on what we can focus on. So the way we do it is, we don't spend a lot of time worrying about our competitors or thinking about our competitors. So while we're navigating a challenging macro environment, we're doing exactly what we said we would do. We're consistently executing on our plans. We're winning deals. We're taking market share. We're innovating on our software and data strategies. We're delivering the synergies, and we're deleveraging. I mean First Advantage is a really good story to tell to customers and prospects. And I think, again, I've always felt that this is a software and data story and sell. And the more that we focus on AI and improving our candidate experience and client experiences through tech investments, that is what's going to drive increased win rates and higher retention. And it has probably a lot less to do with what's going on in the competitive space.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets.

Jeffrey Marc Silber

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

At your Investor Day, you talked a lot about the potential within the Digital Identity framework, I guess, you can call it. I know you just alluded to it in your prepared remarks, but if you can give us a little bit more color in terms of what's been going on in the past couple of months, that would be great.

Scott Staples

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. Jeff, we're not yet prepared to start talking about revenue and giving you some data on that. We will do that at some point in the future. It's still early days for Digital Identity, but it's the hottest topic in our space right now. We continue to win new Digital Identity deals. There's a lot of education that's going on in the space right now because clients are trying to understand it and what the solutions are. So as I said in the prepared comments, it literally takes up probably 50% of client communications and meetings now. We've got a great offering, and we feel that First Advantage is in an attractive space in that we're not a single solution point provider. We sit in the middle of a lot of potential digital identity offerings. And that -- clients are starting to realize that, and that's why sales have been great in this space. But can't give you any metrics yet, but we will in the future once we get a better handle on trends and sales metrics and things like that.

Jeffrey Marc Silber

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

All right. Fair enough. If I could switch gears. You mentioned the impact of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act on your cash tax payments in the back half of the year. This tax bill was obviously very broad beyond just taxes. I'm just wondering, was there anything in there that you think could help your business over the long term, either positively or negatively?

Steven Marks

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. Jeff, it's a great question. I think it's still probably too early to tell. I know there's still even pieces of the bill that are being -- waiting for some guidance and clarifications. I think it's probably pretty common for companies in our kind of domain where you're getting a lot of accelerated amortization of your research and development expenses, which is kind of the immediate reaction to everyone. I think whether things like customers are able to leverage certain provisions to change how the market works over time, tips, things like that, it's probably way too early to understand because even all of the guidance rules aren't there yet, but it's certainly something we have our eyes on. But I think for now, obviously, we'll take the cash in pocket for 2025, obviously supports our deleveraging, accelerates that to an extent, allows us to maybe make a couple more accelerated investments in the synergy program, just giving us a little more optionality there. I think that's how -- for now, that's the primary impact for us.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will move next with Scott Wurtzel with Wolfe Research.

Scott Darren Wurtzel

Analyst

Just wanted to ask one. When you guys are doing these Collaborate user conferences, especially in the new geographies and talking with Sterling customers, are you mostly spending time with them kind of educating them on the offerings that you guys have through First Advantage and the combined entity? Or is there -- or is it more kind of sales focused right now?

Scott Staples

Analyst

Yes, Scott, we purposely do not make Collaborate a sales-focused event. And I think that's why our customers love attending it. It's a chance for them to discuss industry trends, vertical trends, geography trends, compliance trends. And what it really is, it's a beautiful opportunity for our product teams to spend time with our customers to make sure that our products are fitting their needs. Also, it really affects our future product road maps because we get to hear what they want, what they're looking for, what their challenges are. Yes, there are sales opportunities in Collaborate. Don't get me wrong. It builds a very nice sales pipeline, but it's not the intent of the event. The event is really to collaborate on what they're experiencing. And it's a great opportunity to get them in a room for a number of hours or in the U.S., number of days to really spend time with them.

Operator

Operator

We will move next with Harold Antor with Jefferies.

Harold Antor

Analyst

This is Harold Antor on for Stephanie Moore. I guess just one question for me. You're seeing, I guess, weaker base volumes than expected. So I guess just on the sales force, are you reducing your sales force given the slightly weaker demand that you're seeing? Or are you keeping all of the sales force from Sterling? Or are you building your sales force now to take advantage of the expected demand that comes along as this macro uncertainty clears out? Just anything there would be helpful.

Scott Staples

Analyst

Steven, why don't you take the base part, and I'll take the sales team part.

Steven Marks

Analyst

Yes. No, Harold, I think when you think about it, right, the base growth assumption is a little lower, but our retention is still going to be 96% plus. We're still going to have 80,000 customers to serve. So it's not really a -- we're losing customer units. It's really just an expectation that there's just going to be some macro impact to the volumes at those customers higher. So there's really no planned cutback in terms of our account management team or anywhere in the commercial team for that matter right now because I think we're really bullish on where our customers are going to be at. And Scott will talk about a second, but our pipeline on upsell, cross-sell, and we want to keep driving that pipeline to drive future growth. And at the same time, we still have all of our clients to serve. Our expectation is that on a customer-by-customer basis, they'll be ordering a slightly a lower amount of revenue than we had previously expected, but that's just lower overall hiring volumes, not lower customer count or anything like that.

Scott Staples

Analyst

Yes, Harold, I mean, so if you think about our best-in-breed approach to technology, which we've been talking about for probably about a year now about how we are -- our strategy was to put best-of-breed to the market. We're doing the same with teams and people. So the beauty of the best-of-breed approach on the go-to-market team was that we're able to take the top talent from both teams and put them together into a new team. And it really comes down to almost like a 50-50 split between legacy Sterling and legacy First Advantage teams into this new team. So we're really happy with the size of our sales force and the productivity of our sales force. We've got amazing talent and leadership in that space. And I'd say we're also investing. We just brought on a new Chief Marketing Officer, and we're investing in the front end and in demand gen and branding and positioning. We also brought on a new CPTO, Chief Product and Tech Officer, to pull this all together to make sure that our product and our platforms really go along that strategy of best-in-breed to help fuel the pipeline. But the pipeline is in great shape. The sales team is humming along, as you can see from the numbers. It's extremely consistent performance out of the go-to-market team. So absolutely no cutbacks on the front end. I would say, if anything, more investment on the front end.

Steven Marks

Analyst

Yes. Harold, I think one last closing thought on the question, too, right? We still feel -- we've talked about this a lot in our Investor Day and other forums. We still have a very scalable P&L. So even if we have a little softer base, so much of the cost of sales are volume variable. We can do a really good job of controlling them. We've already accounted for that in our fulfillment plans for the second half of the year. So I think when you take everything Scott and I have talked about, we still feel really good about the second half EBITDA, EBITDA margins, EPS results, like we mentioned in the prepared remarks.

Scott Staples

Analyst

And Harold, just one last thing is don't correlate base directly to growth because base does not equal revenue. Base is one component of revenue. And actually, in the quarter, we had growth. We had 1.5% growth in the quarter. So when you're growing year-on-year, 1.5% in this challenging macro environment, you are not looking to cut, you are looking to invest.

Operator

Operator

I see no further questions in queue. Thank you all for joining us today and for your participation. This concludes the First Advantage Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, you may disconnect your line. Have a wonderful day.