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First American Financial Corporation (FAF)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 11, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the First American Financial Corporation Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] A copy of today’s press release is available on First American’s website at www.firstam.com. Please note that this call is being recorded and will be available for replay from the company’s investor website for a short time by dialing 877-660-6853 or 201-612-7415 and entering the conference ID 13628414. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Craig Barberio, Director of Investor Relations to make introductory statements. Thank you. You may begin.

Craig Barberio

Analyst

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for our 2015 fourth quarter and year end earnings conference call. Joining us on today’s call will be our Chief Executive Officer, Dennis Gilmore and Mark Seaton, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. At this time, we would like to remind listeners that management’s commentary and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements such as those described on Page 4 of today’s news release and other statements that do not relate strictly to historical or current facts. The forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made and the company does not undertake to update forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made. Risks and uncertainties exist that may cause results to differ materially from those set forth in these forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause the anticipated results to differ from those described in these forward-looking statements are also described in Pages 4 and 5 of today’s news release. Management’s commentary contains and responses to your questions may also contain certain financial measures that are not presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, including personnel and other operating expense ratios and success ratios. The company is presenting these non-GAAP financial measures, because they provide the company’s management and investors with additional insight into the operational efficiency and performance of the company relative to earlier periods and relative to the company’s competitors. The company does not intend for these non-GAAP financial measures to be a substitute for any GAAP financial information. In the news release that we filed today, which is available on our website, www.firstam.com, the non-GAAP financial measures disclosed in management’s commentary are presented with and reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Investors should use these non-GAAP financial measures only in conjunction with the comparable GAAP financial measures. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dennis Gilmore.

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Thanks, Craig. Good morning and thanks for joining our call. I will begin with a review of 2015 followed by our fourth quarter highlights and conclude with a few comments regarding our outlook for 2016. The company had a strong year in 2015, with EPS rising 22% to $2.62, each of our key title market showed strong revenue growth. Purchase revenue was up 11% as the housing market recovery continues. The finance revenue surged 29% due to a decline in mortgage rates early in the year. Our commercial business had a record year with revenues up 17%. Throughout 2015, we continue to manage our expenses effectively achieving a success ratio of 56% for the title segment. Our title business posted a 10.2% pre-tax margin for the year. And the company’s return on equity improved to nearly 11% both in line with our stated objectives. In 2015, we gained market share on our direct title business and expanded our property record database to be the largest in the industry. We increased the utilization of our data assets throughout the company and pursue the opportunities to use our data to lower our risk profile and our title business. 2015 was a good year for First American. Turning to the fourth quarter, EPS was $0.74 per year – EPS was $0.74. The quarter’s results include $6 million of net realized investment losses, which reduced EPS by $0.04. Our commercial business had an all-time record quarter generating $206 million of revenue, up 4% compared to last year. For the quarter, pre-tax margin on our title business exceeded 10%. We are encouraged by these strong results given that we implemented the new mortgage disclosure rules, TRID, which wouldn’t affect in October. The extensive effort we devoted to TRID, including upgrading our systems and training both…

Mark Seaton

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Thank you, Dennis. Total revenue in the fourth quarter was $1.4 billion, up 8% compared with the fourth quarter of 2014. Net income was $82 million or $0.74 per diluted share. The current quarter results include net realized investment losses of $6 million or $0.04 per diluted share. In addition, investment income in the current quarter includes impairment of investments and affiliates of $2 million, which reduced earnings per diluted share by $0.01. In the Title Insurance and Services segment, direct premium and escrow fees were up 4% compared with last year. This growth was driven by a 5% increase in the average revenue per order. The average revenue per order increased to $2,236 due to an increase in the average revenue per order for purchase transactions as well as the shift of the mix towards commercial transaction. Agent premiums were up 14%, reflecting the normal reporting lag in agent revenues of approximately one quarter. The agent split was 79.0% of agent premiums. This quarter, to confirm with the industry practices, we have reclassified certain revenues from direct premium and escrow fees into agent premiums. This reclassification caused our reported agent split to decline by 120 basis points and had no impact to total revenue, net income or earnings per share. Information and other revenues totaled $161 million, down 2% compared with last year driven by a lower demand for the company default information products and unfavorable currency translation. Personnel costs were $381 million, up 10% from the prior year. This increase was primarily due to higher incentive-based compensation relative to last year. Other operating expenses were $180 million, down 3% from last year. This decline was primarily due to higher earnings credits and reduction in professional services and production-related costs. The ratio of personnel and other operating expenses to…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time we will be conducting question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from John Campbell from Stephens. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Hey, guys. This is Hayden sitting in for John. So just a quick question on commercial activity, where do you guys thinks we are at in kind of the commercial cycle here and you did mention that you expect those growth rates to slow moderately in 2016, but just as far as your overall market share, I mean do you kind of expect that to remain flat in a growing environment or do you expect to take share kind of walk through the moving pieces there?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Sure. A couple of points to that question, the first is what’s our outlook in the market? We think we are going to have another very good year in 2016 and our pipelines are very strong. The momentum in the business is strong right now. But as I have said, I think the growth rate will start to moderate over what we have experienced over the last few years. With regards to the share, we are very intent to continue to grow our share and gain share in the marketplace.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Got it. And then on the share repurchase activity, do you guys have the ability or do you intend to maybe take advantage of some of the pullback, maybe beyond the market, kind of opportunistically within that share repurchase?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

It’s a possibility. I mean we take it on a day-by-day basis. So I would just say it’s something we are constantly looking at, constantly evaluating. There was one day in January where we did repurchase shares, but it’s just something that we are continually evaluating.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Got it. And then one more real quick, if I may. On the expense reclassification associated with the closing protection letters, what are the states that require the splits on those BPL premiums?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

There is only two states that I am aware of that actually require the splits. I know one of them is North Carolina. I am not sure about the other one.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Got it. I appreciate the questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Bose George from KBW. Please go ahead.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Hi. This is actually Chas Tyson for Bose. I wanted to ask – I know you said that there – you saw that in the direct channel traded that you had kind of caught back up by the end of the quarter and I am not saying that really having affect at this point, but on the agent side, do you have a sense on how it’s affecting the agents in your businesses and also is that creating any opportunities to possibly go out and acquire some agent operations that aren’t handling it as well?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Sure, a couple of points there. I mean it’s again comment on our own direct business. We are very happy with where we are right now satisfied, up for our preparation, it’s going well for us. We ended the quarter with a little bit of delays in closings, so as the quarter ramped through, we caught up on our closings. I still think on the direct side, there is level – there is room for still increased efficiency for us as we go into the spring buying season. With regards to the agents, it’s probably pre-mature to tell, there are so many agents out there. I am sure many of them have had no trouble. And I am sure some of them had trouble with it. So those opportunities will become more clear probably as we go into the spring buying season. So we will just see how that plays out.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. On the title margin, was there an affect from TRID this quarter that you can quantify and should we see that revert going forward, as the delay has narrowed?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Not really. We did not bring a lot of excess costs in. We used our own resources for preparation of TRID both technology training and operations. So I do not think that we will see a cost reduction associated with TRID going into the spring buying season. What you will see is some residue or some impact from the capital expenditure of TRID that was $20 million, so you will see that impact in ‘16 and beyond.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And then as you guys look out over the next couple of years and see the mortgage market that some forecasters think to be fairly stagnant, do you have any interest at all, in consolidating some of the other players in the industry and do you think that it would be feasible from a regulatory perspective?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

A couple of points, as I have said before on consolidation in the industry, I think it’s feasible that you could get a consolidation of some combination of the top four underwriters. But it will be completely deal specific, it will be a very difficult deal to be done and there will be heightened scrutiny on it. Now, with regards to acquisitions in the title space for us, specifically we are always looking for tuck-in acquisitions in our key states to grow our footprint if they make sense and they get the necessary return for us.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. Is it fair to say that you could be interested in a large acquisition or it just depends on the facts and circumstances of a deal or just not that flame that you are interested right now?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Again, it would simply depend on the situation.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Hughes from SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead.

Mark Hughes

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good morning.

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

Good morning.

Mark Hughes

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

The incentive compensation this quarter, is there a catch-up or was there fairly high accrual, did that impact the margin more than you might have expected?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

Last – fourth quarter of last year in the title segment, we had kind of a reversal 401(K) match. Fourth quarter this year, we are just – we are booking at basically a higher rate just based on the improved margins of company. Net-net, it’s about $7 million swing from Q4 of last year to Q4 of this year. So that’s one of the primary drivers.

Mark Hughes

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

And that – am I right in thinking that probably was an over accrual that you are doing some catch-up or was that $7 million or I guess not the $7 million swing, but would this be the run rate that one might normally expect?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

I would think the run rate would be a little bit less, I mean our 401(k) match was about $8 million in Q4. I think it will be a $1 million or $2 million less in that going forward.

Mark Hughes

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, the commercial revenue per order was little flatter this quarter, it’s been volatile, what would you expect on that going forward, is that general trend?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

It’s hard to say, I mean typically if you look at our closed orders in commercial, they are flat and what really drives the growth in our commercial revenue and premiums is really the growth in our average fees per file. This year, our commercial revenue for the full year grew 17% over last year, almost all of that was driven by higher average fees per file. So it’s just difficult to say, but as Dennis mentioned before, we do think that will moderate in 2016.

Mark Hughes

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Kevin Kaczmarek from Zelman & Associates. Please go ahead.

Kevin Kaczmarek

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please go ahead

Hi guys. On the open purchase order trends, on a monthly basis, it looks like they were I guess negative in December and January, do you have – is there any particular driver there, because it diverts significantly from some mortgage related metrics like purchased applications showing double-digit growth in both of those months. So can you give us some color on where the weakness is?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please go ahead

No, we saw something similar in the winter month last year and when you look at the first seven business days in February, our purchase orders are down 2% versus last February. So our growth rates sort of have moderated here in the winter, but they did the same thing last year, there is nothing that’s explicitly that we can point to geographically, otherwise they would explain it.

Mark Seaton

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please go ahead

And Kevin, I would say that we are optimistic going into the spring buying season and we will see continued momentum in purchase growth like we saw in ‘15.

Kevin Kaczmarek

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks. All my other questions have been answered.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jeremy Campbell from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Jeff Harwood

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Hey, guys. This is actually Jeff Harwood in for Jeremy today. If commercial remains strong and we do get a mini refi wave from the recent downward movement in interest rates, what types of margins can we expect for 2016?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Yes, we are pretty happy with where we are right now. We have got a 10.2 for the year right in line with what we expected and that’s based on the current market environment. So again, how we look at it if the market improves from the purchase perspective and commercial continues to grow and we get the benefit from refinance, we are going to look for continued operating leverage on this business. So, we will continue to drive improved operating leverage going forward if the markets continue to improve.

Jeff Harwood

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Great, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Eric Robinson

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Yes, thanks guys. You have got Eric Robinson on for Jason here. Just looking at the agency operations for the quarter and recognizing the quarter lag and recognizing that revenue, would you expect any kind of TRID impact going into the first quarter of 2016 from the agency side?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Typically, the agent business lagged our direct business by about a quarter. I mean, it’s not perfect, but that’s kind of the rule of thumb. The direct business in Q4 and we saw there was going to be an impact. There really wasn’t an impact, because of TRID and sort of caught up by the end of the quarter as we mentioned in our remarks. So, looking in Q1, we wouldn’t expect a material impact because of that lag on our agency revenue in Q1 because of TRID.

Eric Robinson

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Alright, thanks. And then just on commercial activity. Are you guys seeing most of that activity on like purchase activity or is that more refi for commercial?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

It’s a combination. I mean refi and commercial, there is a lot more refi and commercial than there is in residential simply because you have got 5-year and 7-year loans, you don’t have 30-year mortgages out there. So, we get paid about the same now for purchasing a refi. So, the nature of the transaction on the commercial side, whether it’s a purchase refi, it’s not as important to us as it is on the residential side where we get paid more than twice as much for purchasing a refi. And so we for a while we used to track purchasing refi commercial orders and then we just stop doing that, because the refi wasn’t a significant really driver. So, I wouldn’t say its material metric for us.

Eric Robinson

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Alright. Got it. And then just one more here, what about – what are you guys seeing as far as residential trends in some of these energy-specific markets. You noticed – noting anymore weakness there or I think it’s still pretty strong?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

I think what we are going to see in ‘16 we have started to see it already and that is weakness in the Houston market, both in residential and commercial. And that’s the primary residential market that we think we will see weakness within the energy issues.

Eric Robinson

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Got it. Got it. Alright. That’s all I have for you. Thank you.

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · Jason Deleeuw from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Bose George from KBW. Please go ahead.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Hey, this is Chas Tyson again. I just want to ask about the information revenue line in the title segment. I know you guys have called out, but the default information is a drag on that line, but I was wondering if you could give some color around kind of mixing that and talking about how much of a drag that is versus some of the growth aspects in the rest of the business. And also the demand you are seeing on some of the mortgage and database solutions in the pipeline?

Mark Seaton

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Sure. On info and other, yes, there is a few positives and a few negatives that really drove that. On the positive side, we saw lot of search products and uninsured products just in connection with the settlement process. That business was up 11%. Very similar to the growth trend that we saw on our premiums. Our data visitors within info and other were also up 5%. So, those were the positives. On the negative side, we talked about the fact that our default business continue to decline, it was down 21%. And also our international business, we suffered I guess from foreign currency translation adjustments. So, our international business on a constant currency basis was basically flat, but because the U.S. dollar strengthened so much during the period, our international revenue in that line item was actually down 10%. So, those are some things that we are kind of – there is ups and downs, but overall info and other was down 2% for the quarter.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

And do you feel pretty comfortable with the product sweep there or do you think about taking some of those products offline as it looks like they might have not come back for a number of years?

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Yes, we are comfortable with the product suite. And I think the trends will continue. We will continue to see softness in the offerings. I think we will continue to see opportunities for growth in the information products and some of the data products. And so – and I think the commercial trends will continue. So again, feel comfortable with them and I think the trends will continue into ‘16.

Chas Tyson

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you very much.

Dennis Gilmore

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thank you.