Earnings Labs

First BanCorp. (FBP)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 25, 2018

$24.18

-0.27%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

+2.21%

1 Week

+2.45%

1 Month

+11.17%

vs S&P

+9.93%

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the First BanCorp's Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Pelling, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

John Pelling

Analyst

Thank you, Debbie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining First BanCorp's conference call and webcast to discuss the company's financial results for the second quarter 2018. Joining today from FBP are Aurelio Alemán, Chief Executive Officer and President; and Orlando Berges, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward-looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings and capital structure, as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made due to the important factors described in the company's latest SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. If anyone does not already have a copy of the webcast presentation or press release issued by First BanCorp, you can access them at our website under Firstbankpr.com. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Aurelio Alemán. Aurelio? Aurelio Alemán: Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Please let's begin with the highlight for the quarter by moving to Slide 5 of the deck. We're very pleased with the core results of the quarter. They were really good for our market. Our core business and operating metrics continue to move in the right direction from a profitability standpoint. It was really a good quarter. Net income of $31 million or 14% per share and pre-provisioned earning tax, pre-provision income reached a new level for the second consecutive quarter at $51.4 million. Definitely the recovery in Puerto Rico continues at a steady pace and our franchise continues to benefit and deliver solid quarter results. Net interest income on margin…

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. The earnings release we put out provides you a really good color on results on the quarter. It was straightforward in many sense, but I'll touch up on some of the key items that Aurelio mentioned. We posted a net income of $31 million or $0.14 a share, compared to a $33 million or $0.15 a share we had last quarter. We looked at results, there is improvement in net interest income, we have higher levels of mortgage banking revenues, we had higher merchant and credit card fees for the quarter and we also had some increases in REO expenses. The provision for the quarter was $19.5 million, which includes a net release of about $2.1 million in hurricane-related resource for the commercial portfolio based on the revised assessment of the portfolios, which compares with our $20 million of probation and some $6 million relief last quarter. As of June, the hurricane-related qualitative allowance we have left its $42.2 million to cover losses. Taxes for the quarter were higher. Basically last quarter, we had $1.8 million excess tax benefit on some shares that were granted in prior periods invested last quarter and also last quarter we had sort of one-time gains on the sale of the crops and some fees on incontinent commissions. We have it on entities at some other lost components that offset some of these revenues. Revised calculations of effective tax rate, it's about 25% excluding those entities with pretax losses, which is slightly lower than what we discussed last quarter basically change a mix of exempting some of the inter-relationship of the partial DTA with the amount of charge-offs and provision that we see for the next few quarters. Just to point out, we still have about $145 million of net evaluation on…

Operator

Operator

We will now start the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Brett Rabatin with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

One or two. I guess first, make sure I understood the two loans -- the $47 million and the $23 million. Are they related and can you maybe give us a little more color on what happened with those loans? I guess is the first part. Aurelio Alemán: Yes. Those loans, I think we cover well those loans with the flurry outside [ph] the last call. These are relationships that dated 2006, 2007 and one is a real estate facility that we know at the time of the loan, the cash flows are not supportive of the overall debt and even though we have cash flow. So we're currently working out the relationship to bring it back to a performing portion. That's the Florida segment. The smaller one in Puerto Rico is also in maturity on the restructuring terms. They've been classified for some time, adversely classified, so it really -- long legacy work has been done in this, too. I think it's important to highlight, Brett, that for years we have a very large list of large loans in their barely classified category. There's actually only two remaining about 10 million which I say is quite a different profile of what we had before in terms of the potential pipeline for migration. So it's been a big three that we've been chopping for so many years now, it's finally getting to conclusion from our point of view.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

It's same order, but to independent properties that operate with independent cash flows. Aurelio Alemán: Independent companies.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. That's good to hear. Then on the pipeline, maybe you can talk about the classified loans and I know you got word of the $10.4 million credit in the quarter; any thoughts around being more aggressive? You mentioned note sales. Any thoughts on being more aggressive with lowering the level of classified assets, maybe say an STV or some vehicle to try and reduce the classified assets at a faster pace? Aurelio Alemán: I think the market is providing the conditions for that to happen. There is a lot of investor interest, I have to say and we have more analyzed and agreements from some of the properties. We do have held for sale loans and arrears that add to $200 million. That is a primary focus of those classified assets that are non-performing, so the resolution was due to that. On the other hand, we're also seeing some potential upgrades based on the conditions of the borrowers and some of them improving conditions and we couldn't allow that to happen. I have to say that we're optimistic on that front for the remainder of the year as we continue to see investor interest increasing which is really the driver of capital to bring those asset to resolution.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then on the margin. It would look like your margin could continue to improve, given the low deposit beta-s that you're experiencing, a strong inflows of core deposits. Is there anything that would mitigate that over the back half of this year? Aurelio Alemán: Well, as long as the deposit trend continues and this is a market as you say -- it's a market characteristic that we're living through after the hurricane or the cash that is coming in between the different sources of funding. It is expected that when you look at the physical plan and based on the estimate, the majority of the funds have not yet been seen in the market. So we expect that that continues, but it's very difficult to predict at what levels it will continue and what is the timing of it. From that perspective, I have to say that as long as we continue to see money flowing, oh balance on accounts increasing, opening more accounts, that's our goal. It will support that improvement. On the other hand, we also see the consumer business bringing more demand from the consumer which it's our higher yielding loan. So that also contributes to the margin. So there is some evidence and trends that should support that.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for the color. I'll hop back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Joe Gladue of Merion Capital Group. Please go ahead.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst

Good morning. Let me follow-up a little bit on first question on March and just first off on the deposit side. It looks like there was a really strong growth in the non-interest bearing accounts. I imagine some of that was affected by the rise and government deposits, but it looks like even without that, there's strong growth. Just wondering if you can have a sense of where that's coming from, if some of that was insurance proceeds from customer? I'd like to get an idea of how sustainable that is. Aurelio Alemán: Yes. We estimate around 20% to 22% is identified as sources of insurance proceed. The remainder is really average balance activity that we see in our accounts in actually both the retail and the commercial. There are some increase in retail accounts in terms of number of accounts and customers also that add contribute to that. Obviously, there is a lot of economic activity going on that is related to ending of the island and as we all know, that building is just in early stages.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Joe, let me clarify, the $290 million on non-interest were in the buffering growth we had in the quarter that Aurelio mentioned, it's all retail and commercial customers. On top of that, we had about 100 million growth on the government side. Those were two independent components on the growth. On the other hand, we did eliminate our 100 million of broker CDs in the quarter, that excess is helping to change the mix of the profile of the institution.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst

And I guess while we're on the funding side interest cost, any further opportunities to I guess reduce the TruPS referred? Aurelio Alemán: TruPS referred is one of those chances that happen once in a while. It's difficult to say that. It's something we can't control based on the way we distribute it. Once in a while we do get the opportunity like we did last quarter and some last year. There are some, we'll pursue them, but I cannot tell you that that's going to happen.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst

And just one other, I guess loan yield on -- it looks like average loan yields are up about 20 basis points or so compared to first quarter and just wondering if some of that is just related to loan prepayment kind of lease or some related to some of the loan sales where they're lower yielding loans, just trying to figure out the source of that jump. Aurelio Alemán: The job is number one, repricing. We have a fairly large commercial variable portfolio that reprices with LIBOR. So with the LIBOR increases, mostly if want LIBOR, increases has helped. We did collect some non-performing interest that you saw in the release in the quarter that helped the margin and the other component was what Aurelio mentioned, that we've seen growth on the personal, on auto loan side of the business which both carry higher yields. Those combined puts the yield on the loans a little bit higher. Again as we mentioned, also the mortgage lending side, even though the yields have increased a little bit on your originations, in reality, most of what we're doing, it's conforming paid but it's being sold so that portfolio has come down a bit and we did sell some amounts in the Plaudit [ph] market based on the way we want to position our mortgage portfolios as the percentage of all our lending portfolios.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Arren Cyganovich with Citi. Please go ahead.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Thanks. I apologize I had to hop off the call for a bit. So if these have already been addressed, I apologize for that. Would the REO cost that were up for the quarter, is that a catch up from more time -- what was that related to and how should that progress as we go through the rest of the year? Aurelio Alemán: This quarter, REOs, we appraise it once a year. That's a general policy we follow. We had four properties that were due for re-appraisal this quarter -- commercial properties. Those four properties -- we had a bunch of properties that were due for re-appraisal, but these four properties are the main driver for the increase. One of them, it's a land loan that took a blunt of the head of this change on -- it's on the western side of the island which market is moving a little bit different and that affected more than typically you would see because of the composition of the properties that were subject to re-appraisal. There are still volatility on values in the market and that could happen once in a while with properties. On the other hand as we mentioned, we did sell one commercial property for $3.9 million, which was sold as just about carrying amount. We did sell the other non-performing loan that was a note that was also sold at just about carrying amount. It all depends on the kind of property and there could be some volatility, but I would say that this one is a little bit higher. There may be one or two properties that still can experience that, but most of it probably leads a more of a normal kind of variation in values.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then on the capital return a potential -- you continue to run with a high amount of excess capital. I'm just curious as to why you haven't been a little bit more aggressive with respect to getting that capital return. I think you addressed this at the beginning of the call. What's the timing expectation there when you might address this? Aurelio Alemán: We really can't give you timing. There are conversation, it's a priority. But really, we're not in a position to create an expectation. We like to see that capital deployed in growth, we would like to see the capital deployed in growth organically or non-organically and obviously, we'd like to see the opportunity of providing from distribution event [ph]. But at this point -- and it's a priority for both, the Board and the management team, but at this point, I cannot give you a timeframe.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Okay. I understand and it would be great to see in growth. With the size of excess capital that you have, it's hard to believe that you'd be able to get that down to a meaningful or more reasonable level of capital just through growth unless you had a fairly sizable acquisition. Aurelio Alemán: Keep in mind that obviously from where we're coming as an institution, there are conversations that we've had with our regulators over the last few years, trying to move in that direction, but our formal agreements still require regulatory approvals. So that's part of the discussion process that we have and how the composition of the non-performing portfolio behaves.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Glen Manna with Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. I just wanted to drill down into the brokered CDs a little bit better or a little bit more. When you look at the run off in the quarter, it seems to imply that CD book has a year-and-a-half duration. Is that correct? And if you continue to see good deposit trends on the island, do you have the ability to gather deposits and enough excess liquidity to fund the future growth and continue to let that brokered CD run down?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Definitely. We have excess liquidity and we have seen our capacity to gather deposits. That has been one of the reasons why broker CDs have been coming down. Also keep in mind that broker CDs have become more expensive in the market. If you remember a few -- six or seven years ago, the broker CD market was much cheaper than the Puerto Rico market. That has changed. You are correct that the average life, it's in that 1.5 to 1.8 years and we continue to -- and that was spread out in the sense that we managed the portfolio or the broker CD portfolio to hide on system amount of maturities per quarter so that the process of reissuing was easier. So that allows us as the positive growth to continue to take the broker deposits down and that's the plan, to continue to do so.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Okay, thank you. And Orlando, I was writing quickly. Did you give tax rate guidance for the second half of 2018 or the full year 2018?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Yes. The revised guidance on taxable entities, it's like 25%. What I mean is there are some entities that have some losses or like for example, the holding company which is an operating entity and whenever you have some gains like sale of the TruPS could have affect the number. But in general, it should be in that 25% to 26% range based on the projected composition of revenues and expenses.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Okay. And on an FTE basis, what would that be?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

On what are you saying? Sorry?

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

On a fully taxable equivalent basis. Would that be something higher?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Well, the margin already is 39% in Puerto Rico, but remember that in general, the industry has always had the benefit of tax by law of how the management portfolios are treated or operations that we run from other kinds of entities like IBEs that have special tax treatment. You'll never get to those 39%. It's mostly going to be in that 25% to 35% range, depending on the mix.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Please go ahead.

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next, we have a follow up question from Brett Rabatin with Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Hey, guys. I just want to follow up on the classified assets and just thinking about getting those down to 20% of capital or so. Can you maybe just give us an idea of time frame that you're hoping to accomplish that or that might entail particularly in the back half of this year? Aurelio Alemán: Time frame today, not a commitment but it's a priority and we're looking at no later than the second half of next year, then the second half of this year, mid next year.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Although 20% is aggressive. Aurelio Alemán: Yes. That's what we're planning to.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

I'm sorry. What's the… Aurelio Alemán: Then the second quarter of next year.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Second quarter next year. Okay. Aurelio Alemán: It's an aggressive 20%.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then just I guess just thinking about the back half of this year, you had a little better trends in some of the fee income. What items should we expect back to continue in 3Q in particular? Aurelio Alemán: The fee income is divided. Everything related to transaction volume -- meaning credit cards, debit cards, merchant transactions, we're seeing those levels get back to normal and that is the reason for the increase in the fee components, so we expect that to continue throughout the year. The mortgage banking revenues, it's a function of originations of that increased this quarter and we feel that we can sustain originations at this level for the rest of the year. The market in general, it's down from what it was a year ago and we expect it to be down from what it looked back a couple of years. But these current levels are sustainable. Obviously you have to take out the unusual ones like the continued insurance commissions that happen once a year, basically first quarter or early second quarter at some amount. And any other kind of special things like the props or the sale of the branch we had in the first quarter or the physical location we sold in the first quarter. So taking those out, I would say we feel it's going to be consistent with some opportunities for some growth.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay, great. Appreciate the additional color.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.